mr.dream merchant Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What is this thread even about anymore? The OP wanted to know why women get upset when men speak their mind and now its about old ass women rearing handicapped children. Link to post Share on other sites
clv0116 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 What is this thread even about anymore? The OP wanted to know why women get upset when men speak their mind and now its about old ass women rearing handicapped children. We're working a few examples that are intended to demonstrate how broaching an unfortunate fact of life and sometimes drawing a few obvious conclusions can be twisted into being a personal attack by some women and the manginas that would like to love them. Link to post Share on other sites
mr.dream merchant Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why even reply to those female posters? They get so butt-hurt over anything you say about the female gender. Waste of effort CLV. Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 You love to play the martyr. I ignore nothing of the sort, but I attempt to control only what can be changed. Then worry about what you can't change and your choices for that. And let other women worry about theirs. You keep claiming your relistic. But your idea of realistic is greatly skewed. There is no one way to live life or make choices. You ignore the facts presented to you that contradict your own points and keep parroting the same words over and over again that you think support yours. That's not about facts. that's about hidden agenda. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 We're working a few examples that are intended to demonstrate how broaching an unfortunate fact of life and sometimes drawing a few obvious conclusions can be twisted into being a personal attack by some women and the manginas that would like to love them. Geez, I wonder how they'd come to that conclusion. I don't know, clv, I've taken you at your word at times and try to have a real discussion with you. But every single time, it turns into this kind of thing - this "manginas" and "women don't do logic" and "they're so darn hysterical, the ladies, stop getting your panties in a twist" kind of dismissiveness. You don't want to discuss and exchange ideas, you just want to make your tired old proclamations and call people stupid names. It's an effective conversation-ender, I'll give you that. So, good job. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why even reply to those female posters? They get so butt-hurt over anything you say about the female gender. Waste of effort CLV. I've seen your posts. You two are of the same mind-set, i.e. antiquated; 'Leave it to Beaverish.' Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why even reply to those female posters? They get so butt-hurt over anything you say about the female gender. Waste of effort CLV. I was just thinking the same about a certain few male posters. Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Sigh. See above. Gentlemen. Understand: 1. Nobody's bashing anybody for feeling what they feel or wanting what they want. Yeah but they do. Anyway, seeing as nobody else has managed it, let me answer Woggle's question. The reason women get mad when you honestly criticize/vent about them - A. They tend to be more emotional than men, and aren't so good at taking criticism because they often really do want to please men and be liked and needed by them and are hurt if they fail. B. They have learned that getting mad often makes men shut up. There. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Yeah, telling us all women constantly "spew vile" about men in a hateful fashion just makes us all weepy because we haven't "pleased" Woggle. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Since this is a thread about honesty, here are some facts: Facts about males over 40, causing breeding problems, due to DNA fragmentation in sperm: Non-verbal intelligence of children, declines exclusively due to paternal age.Greater rate of miscarriage, infertility and birth defects due to fragmentation of DNA.Children born to men from 40 and up have six times the risk of having autism, than from men under 30.The risk of children developing prostate and breast cancer later in life, is due to paternal age.Exclusively due to aging paternal sperm are the risks of Apert Syndrome, Crouzon syndrome, Pfeiffer syndrome, dwarfism, and 50% of Down syndrome cases.Paternal aging sperm contribute to a higher percentage of schizophrenia.Is everyone with me so far? Link to post Share on other sites
mr.dream merchant Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Yeah but they do. Anyway, seeing as nobody else has managed it, let me answer Woggle's question. The reason women get mad when you honestly criticize/vent about them - A. They tend to be more emotional than men, and aren't so good at taking criticism because they often really do want to please men and be liked and needed by them and are hurt if they fail. B. They have learned that getting mad often makes men shut up. There. But more often then not, when a female notices a male's "need" for her, she abuses it and tries to take control of her male counterpart and the relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Yeah but they do. Anyway, seeing as nobody else has managed it, let me answer Woggle's question. The reason women get mad when you honestly criticize/vent about them - A. They tend to be more emotional than men, and aren't so good at taking criticism because they often really do want to please men and be liked and needed by them and are hurt if they fail. B. They have learned that getting mad often makes men shut up. There. What? B. is pretty obviously untrue. As evidence, I present exhibit A - threads ad nauseum. As for A. - I sort of addressed that above. I'll grant you, people want to be liked and needed. Whether or not women need it more than men - I'm not so sure about that. But...some men are very bad at handling criticism - to the point where they need to let some of their anger out by starting a bunch of threads about how women need to get real and maybe change themselves. I honestly think that's the root of this - there are a lot of angry guys out there, apparently, who blame women for a lot of stuff...because they're feeling picked on and criticized and so forth. So you're really going to tell me that men take criticism better than women do? No. Perhaps they're more aggressive, rather than defensive, about how they respond to it - but it doesn't mean they're any less emotional. Link to post Share on other sites
clv0116 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I don't know, clv, I've taken you at your word at times and try to have a real discussion with you. But every single time, it turns into this kind of thing .... The last real discussion we had I left it in your ballpark to explain how tossing out selected data is better than fitting a line to the entire set. What 'sort of thing' was that ending? Link to post Share on other sites
serial muse Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The last real discussion we had I left it in your ballpark to explain how tossing out selected data is better than fitting a line to the entire set. What 'sort of thing' was that ending? Your last post indicated that you didn't bother to read through my last post, in which I had already thoroughly answered that question. Look. You know what? This is pointless. I'm exhausted by these endless rounds of bullshxt. I honestly don't think you or anyone else is interested in talking about things reasonably; you just want an outlet for your viewpoint and when people object they're ignorant or manginas or some other stupid crap. It's all so pointless and I feel like day by day, coming to these boards makes me more and more fearful of how much hatred there might be around me. I'm done with this discussion, with the hatred and the made-up stupid crap and the anger. Ciao. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 More facts. One in four men over 30, has low testosterone. Androgeny anyone? http://www.wacotrib.com/health/content/shared-auto/healthnews/agng/608084.html Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 But more often then not, when a female notices a male's "need" for her, she abuses it and tries to take control of her male counterpart and the relationship. Yup. JUST like Woggle. Link to post Share on other sites
clv0116 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Since this is a thread about honesty, here are some facts: Yes! I'd still love to see that actual magnitude of the risks! For instance, I can say: A woman in her early 20s is more than 99.999% likely to conceive a non-Downs child.A woman aged 35 is 99% likely to conceive a non-Downs child.A woman aged 49 is 90% likely to conceive a non-Downs child. Those are meaningful quantified risk figures, They tell us what will happen and how often, so we know both severity and statistical likelihood. I'd love to see similar figures backed by research for your findings. I think it would be a great thing for the men here and the women who love them to have access to. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Anyway, seeing as nobody else has managed it, let me answer Woggle's question. The reason women get mad when you honestly criticize/vent about them - A. They tend to be more emotional than men, and aren't so good at taking criticism because they often really do want to please men and be liked and needed by them and are hurt if they fail. Well, there might be truth in the "women wanting to be liked and needed by men" thing, but doesn't the same thing go for many men? Usually when I read a thread started by a guy and it's seriously venomous, the opening post will refer to the man feeling rejected by women. Those are generally the threads where other contributers start closing the curtains, peering through them cautiously and mumbling about serial killers. You don't tend to hear women fantasising about going on a murdering spree because men aren't interested in them/don't think they're pretty or young enough. Maybe we're just too busy arguing with clv or patting the paws of the "I hate women sometimes, they're so evil, they don't smile at me....Aagh, wah...the pain, the rage!!" brigade to learn how to operate a Kalashnikov. You know I'm going to post angry German kid v douchegirl again. I can't resist. This place needs cheering up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKkLcZUzctY&feature=related Link to post Share on other sites
mr.dream merchant Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why all the focus on breeding statistics? We have the technology now to greatly lower those numbers. Why not find someone you love for them, not for their low chances of birth risks? You guys might as well be flipping through a spreadsheet of birth risk statistics on it when you tell your SO you love them. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 More facts. One in four men over 30, has low testosterone. Androgeny anyone? http://www.wacotrib.com/health/content/shared-auto/healthnews/agng/608084.html They've now coined the name of the low testosterone level man as "Irritable Male Syndrome". It's probably why there's need to duke it out with women on the Internet: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52400 Link to post Share on other sites
clv0116 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Maybe we're just too busy arguing with clv .... Some of you are sort of playful about it and honestly its fun, but some others are just way too angry. You go in the former group. Link to post Share on other sites
grogster Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thank-you grogster. It's nice to see sane men posting their opinions. You're welcome, TBF. Apart from the venom they spew, the angry laddy boys irk me on another level. Ideology appears to drive their contempt for bright, independent women. Notice, they do not detest all women, but only those women with the self-assurance, intelligence and expressive powers to challenge their poisonous sterotypes and addle-brained gender generalizations. It's not women per se they hate. It's strong, smart women with the self-esteem and strength of character to challenge them whom they bait and ridicule. Genders Wars on the Shack is the sad spectacle of weak men bashing strong women, not for being women but for being strong. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Some of you are sort of playful about it and honestly its fun, but some others are just way too angry. You go in the former group. What's wrong with being a cougar anyway? They're pretty cool looking animals as far as I can see. Another video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ln8LaOA8jE Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Well, there might be truth in the "women wanting to be liked and needed by men" thing, but doesn't the same thing go for many men? Usually when I read a thread started by a guy and it's seriously venomous, the opening post will refer to the man feeling rejected by women. Those are generally the threads where other contributers start closing the curtains, peering through them cautiously and mumbling about serial killers. You don't tend to hear women fantasising about going on a murdering spree because men aren't interested in them/don't think they're pretty or young enough. Maybe we're just too busy arguing with clv or patting the paws of the "I hate women sometimes, they're so evil, they don't smile at me....Aagh, wah...the pain, the rage!!" brigade to learn how to operate a Kalashnikov. <falls off chair laughing> Taramere, you are easily one of the most intelligent and funny posters on LS. For a gal entering her dotage, you've got it going on. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 You're welcome, TBF. Apart from the venom they spew, the angry laddy boys irk me on another level. Ideology appears to drive their contempt for bright, independent women. Notice, they do not detest all women, but only those women with the self-assurance, intelligence and expressive powers to challenge their poisonous sterotypes and addle-brained gender generalizations. It's not women per se they hate. It's strong, smart women with the self-esteem and strength of character to challenge them whom they bait and ridicule. Genders Wars on the Shack is the sad spectacle of weak men bashing strong women, not for being women but for being strong. Wow, I never saw it that way but there's much truth to it! They're fine with the girls who bend over for them or ask how high, but have issues with anyone else expressing even a tiny bit of deviance from nazi-like stated requirements. I would definitely cook for you, grogster! Link to post Share on other sites
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