Why do many men kid themselves with the whole younger woman thing?

[pollywag]

i can understand its not right but its certainly not perverted. not likemaking out with a drag queen is perverted

 

No, that's expected.

[pollywag]

 

do tell

 

I'm sure if you used your imagination it would be far less disappointing.

 

 

You guys should get a room.

 

And I should watch.

[BoredPerson]

The reason why prostitutes exist is so that old men can root and attractive women.

 

The women don't mind b/c it just goes in for a bit, shoots out some stuff then it goes limp, the man loses interest and she makes like 200 bucks. Pretty easy if you ask me.

 

Most young girls are grossed out by the thought of an old man humping her. They're old enough to be her father.

 

I kind of liked how women don't look at young men the same way old men look at young women. Thought it was rather admirable... apparently I was a bit wrong.

 

The thought of my with a 50 year old woman is not only ridiculous, it is just ordinarily disgusting. She'd be all wrinkley and fat... why would I want to be with someone like that ? She'd probably smell bad too...

 

Yuck...

 

I'm sure she'd think I was just as gross..

[Pipetalk]

Have this funny observation for quite a while:

Young girls who would date elder guys tend to have good relationship with their father! I suppose they find comfort in them - unconditional love + walking ATM. lol

 

 

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[MeaganRaye]

Well, I'm in my early 20s and I'd like to say that I do not find 18 year old guys that much attractive. I have never gotten along with guys my own age ever since I was in high school. I actually find myself gravitating towards older men, late 30s early to mid 40s. I do find them more attractive because I have a lot more in common with them. They can actually hold on a decent conversation unlike the 20 year old guys who are very superficial and shallow. They're more down to earth, have stable income and seem to appreciate me a lot more. I do think that when I finally do get a boyfriend, he'll probably be a lot older than me. I just don't see myself dating guys in my age group a lot of times they just irritate me

[St. Nick]

Given that the OP is male, you can't bring female jealousy into it. That's precisely why I started the thread. Nice try to assign a motive that doesn't exist though.

Quite ironic really

"Don't always" being the key words here, you have just yourself implied that it happens so what's your objection to many of us finding it reprehensible? Incidentally if you notice the title of the thread it says "many" and not "all". It's not like I made a grossly incorrect blanket statement like

That's not what some of the younger women have said on this thread

It's nice how you picked apart my response, rather than looking at it as a whole. That just indicates you already had a biased response and wanted to argue, rather than debating. I'll keep playing though.

 

To your first response I think you've got it wrong. I blame myself. I meant to word it that you're taking the jealous female side. I didn't mean to say all the people against older man/younger women relationships are jealous females.

 

Of course they "don't always". Do you want me to be unrealistic and say they never do? What I meant is that I disagree with you that neither the majority, nor do a substantial sum "prey on women". When you say they prey on young women you make it sound like they are predators. Are older women who go after younger men preying on them? I guess that older woman who flirted with me at Applebee's two weekends ago was preying on me then. I'm only 24, which means I'm young, naive, and easy pickings, huh?

 

I also like the last part, "that's not what some younger women in this thread have said". How many young women have stated their opinion in this thread? 5? 10? Is getting the response from a few women over the internet enough to gauge the opinion of young women as a whole? Please. Do some more research, for crying out loud.

[CommitmentPhobe]

I also like the last part, "that's not what some younger women in this thread have said". How many young women have stated their opinion in this thread? 5? 10? Is getting the response from a few women over the internet enough to gauge the opinion of young women as a whole? Please. Do some more research, for crying out loud.

 

Thing is 5/10 or even 1 is enough to negate what you actually said

And yes, young women do find older men physically attractive.

So that's another attempt to set up a straw man argument, which I've bolded. I don't need to do any research. Nor do I need to respond to the rest of your straw man arguments.

 

The reason I'm not responding to the rest of what you said is because well, it's pretty pointless and I'm not giving it any credit. I'm not sure where you missed the part about this being specifically about 40 something men going after 20 something women and started applying this to 24 year olds with 18 years olds, while bringing in arguments about predators and jealous females. You can't refute one point of view by creating another and refuting it or asking everybody else to refute it. I mean "I'm going out with an 18 year old and I'm 24" is not really adding any substance here.

[voldigicam]

this thread really wandered. Yes, some men seek young women for sexual partners or relationship partners. Yes, some of these guys are creepy. I'm a 50s something and I find it pretty creepy! And they seem to be kidding themselves. That was the original focus of the thread. But some men are not kidding themselve.

 

As others pointed out, a certain number of relationships of various types end up happening between older guys and young women. My personal experience might prove illuminating in that I have not attempted to find younger women, but I have had several come to me. I've pondered why this is. Not that I am not tempted and have not slept with much younger women. I'm more interested in why some women might approach older men for various reasons.

 

I am just shy of 55. In the last year, I have been approached by 3 persistent women for friendship, with invitations to hang around for more. Not for exclusive relationships, but clearly for intimate relations. I have not engaged in intimate relations with these girls, but have maintained arms length - well, sometimes a little less than arms length - contact. These three are very different from each other. I've sat down for lunch or whatever, IM'd and talked with them. Mainly because I like them, they're sharp, they offer a different viewpoint, etc. One thing always in the back of my mind is "why is this girl here with me?" I was also approached by a 28 year old married woman to be her boy toy. Looked like trouble. Note that I have been approached by these women, not the other way around. They range in age from 19 to 26.

 

I'm not particularly trying to "fill a cavernous void" - but that would fit some I've seen. I would never go to a bar to pick up youngsters! On the other hand, I have divined that older guys may "have something special to offer women half their age" while not thinking that "women who are over 30 are all losers who lost their chance at love or family."

 

One of our posters above points to some other factors for intermediate age gaps, the poster being in his 20s: "1. I have a job, a car, and my own apartment, unlike guys her age.

2. I'm more mature and I'm looking at my life in terms of long-term goals, unlike guys her age. [Maybe]

3. My maturity represents me more as a father figure. A recent study said many young women are attracted to older men because the men remind the women of their fathers, and give them the love, security, and comfort they may or may not have gotten from their real fathers. [20s as a father figure?]

4. I dress more respectably then the guys her age.

5. I've got more cash then the guys her age."

 

I suppose those are all valid. But I'm a GRANDFATHER figure to a 20 year old. So what's the deal? I suspect it might be that I am relaxed and treat them very well as people, not sexual targets. Marry that interest with courtesy, respect, polite pleasantries, and an ability to really listen. Perhaps that's it. The old school approach. I also do not make sexual advances. Hold hands. I treat people well, as friends I haven't yet met. The little I've been able to divine about these women's view of men in their 20s is that they are boys - even referred to as boys - with short attention spans and little real courtesy and respect. Then guys in their 30s and 40s get that middle aged rush going. All wound up inside. I'm out the relaxed side of that range! This really paying attention aspect proves crucial, I suspect. I don't answer my cell phone. I don't talk about me me me. I listen and respond carefully.

 

Part of this is likely the daddy / daddy's girl type role. I seem to gather confessions and requests for advice.

 

So it's not all old perverts looking for young flesh. Sometimes it's younger women looking for older maturity and comfort.

 

The part I don't get is why each of these three women would so clearly be available to me sexually. I don't understand that part. Not that I couldn't handle them well enough. But I don't get the motivation behind that. This is not a misreading of their actions, unless fatherly goodbyes now standardly include ear nibbles and invititations to go hot tubbing nude.

Where a woman approaches a man of noticably older age and offers herself as sexually available, what is going on?

 

For myself, I'm moving into a more committed and focused stage of my marriage, with my SO coming out of depression and a fog strongly (nice). I enjoy my time with my younger friends, but I think I'll make them keep their pants on.

[CommitmentPhobe]

My personal experience might prove illuminating in that I have not attempted to find younger women, but I have had several come to me. I've pondered why this is.

The fact that you're not looking for them is probably part of your appeal - as you say

I suspect it might be that I am relaxed and treat them very well as people, not sexual targets. Marry that interest with courtesy, respect, polite pleasantries, and an ability to really listen. Perhaps that's it. The old school approach.

So I can well believe your maturity would hold some appeal

 

If you went around flashing your cash and being generally misogynistic you might elicit a different response.

[voldigicam]

I imagine so. Flashing cash would be - well, it would never occur to me. Like many country boys, I drive a beat up truck and usually have a small roll of hundreds in my pocket for incidental expenses. But I'd never even let anyone see me peeling one off. It wouldn't be polite.

 

I do see a great deal of rude behavior, unfortunately.

[MeaganRaye]

to the older men who only want younger women, what happens when these 20somethings hit their 30th birthday, do you trade them in for someone younger? You all act as if they are going to stay this age forever, and like they are never going to change.

[Jersey Shortie]

Some do. Some keep her around to take care of the kids but keep ogling 20 year olds and masturbating to porn of 20 year olds. I always wanted to fall in love and have a deep relationship to connect with a man but I just don't think alot of men value the same things in life and it's obvious that women are rather disposable and useless to some men beyond looks and age. A man can live his life not being looked down on but I guess men want us to be happy living our lives while men look down on women. I just wish men really cared about what they had to offer a woman and be appreciative of what she offers him . I don't see that being a reality.

[GorillaTheater]

A man can live his life not being looked down on but I guess men want us to be happy living our lives while men look down on women. I just wish men really cared about what they had to offer a woman and be appreciative of what she offers him . I don't see that being a reality.

 

Jersey, you and I have gone one round on this, but I'm not sure I have the energy right now for another. I don't confront Woggle et al. on their anti-women posts because frankly I'd be wasting my breath and time. I called you out on your anti-men posts because I sense that at least some part of you doesn't WANT to believe your posts, and would be willing to have a man try to talk you out of your views. I tried. Now I'm left with the opinion, which has been growing over time, that you do in fact want to believe what you say about men.

 

It doesn't make me angry in the least. It just seems sad and pointless and, if you are truly interested in a relationship with a man, hugely self-defeating.

[clv0116]

to the older men who only want younger women, what happens when these 20somethings hit their 30th birthday, do you trade them in for someone younger? You all act as if they are going to stay this age forever, and like they are never going to change.

 

Of course not. I've explained that plenty of times already.

[MeaganRaye]

Some do. Some keep her around to take care of the kids but keep ogling 20 year olds and masturbating to porn of 20 year olds. I always wanted to fall in love and have a deep relationship to connect with a man but I just don't think alot of men value the same things in life and it's obvious that women are rather disposable and useless to some men beyond looks and age. A man can live his life not being looked down on but I guess men want us to be happy living our lives while men look down on women. I just wish men really cared about what they had to offer a woman and be appreciative of what she offers him . I don't see that being a reality.

 

I figured that because some of the male posters seem to be lot be so fixated on their "age" as if the girls are not ever going to grow older. They also seem to prefer preference over quality.

[St. Nick]

Thing is 5/10 or even 1 is enough to negate what you actually said

So that's another attempt to set up a straw man argument, which I've bolded. I don't need to do any research. Nor do I need to respond to the rest of your straw man arguments.

 

The reason I'm not responding to the rest of what you said is because well, it's pretty pointless and I'm not giving it any credit. I'm not sure where you missed the part about this being specifically about 40 something men going after 20 something women and started applying this to 24 year olds with 18 years olds, while bringing in arguments about predators and jealous females. You can't refute one point of view by creating another and refuting it or asking everybody else to refute it. I mean "I'm going out with an 18 year old and I'm 24" is not really adding any substance here.

I reread the original posts and the responses and it looks like I looked at it wrong. I thought this was a debate where people wanted to have a serious discussion about an adult topic. Instead this is obviously a rant thread where defense of the older males is severely unwanted. If you want to rant that's your business. It's a free messageboard, to an extent. The only problem with internet ranting is that it goes nowhere. There will always be older men/younger women relationships, interracial relationships, homosexual relationships, or any other type of relationship you have a problem with. Too bad, you're just going to have to deal with it. Sorry if reality kicks you in the balls, man.

[CommitmentPhobe]

I reread the original posts and the responses and it looks like I looked at it wrong. I thought this was a debate where people wanted to have a serious discussion about an adult topic. Instead this is obviously a rant thread where defense of the older males is severely unwanted. If you want to rant that's your business. It's a free messageboard, to an extent. The only problem with internet ranting is that it goes nowhere. There will always be older men/younger women relationships, interracial relationships, homosexual relationships, or any other type of relationship you have a problem with. Too bad, you're just going to have to deal with it. Sorry if reality kicks you in the balls, man.

 

It doesn't actually affect me, actually that's a lie, it affects me in a positive way. Therefore, how can it be a rant: "hey I'm annoyed with 40 somethings that make themselves foolish," if I wanted to reinforce my standing in the male pecking order which is relatively high I would just encourage it. It's not a rant, it's an observation, and an astute one.

 

Again why *I* started this thread, because had a female started it she couldn't state such a thing without motives coming into it. I notice you've already taken the female jealously line, you failed with that because I'm male, now you're trying to re-assign my position as ranting instead.

 

But that's an aside, I think you really should learn to write posts without sprinkling them with logical fallacies. I see this is the third time you've tried to direct this thread off topic by creating a straw man and failed miserably.

[moman]

Jersey, you and I have gone one round on this, but I'm not sure I have the energy right now for another. I don't confront Woggle et al. on their anti-women posts because frankly I'd be wasting my breath and time. I called you out on your anti-men posts because I sense that at least some part of you doesn't WANT to believe your posts, and would be willing to have a man try to talk you out of your views. I tried. Now I'm left with the opinion, which has been growing over time, that you do in fact want to believe what you say about men.

 

It doesn't make me angry in the least. It just seems sad and pointless and, if you are truly interested in a relationship with a man, hugely self-defeating.

 

Exactly, I thought the same thing when I read JS posts.

 

JS, you're probably a great person with a lot to offer a guy, and if you lose the attitude and bitterness you display here I'm sure you can find what you want.

[St. Nick]

It doesn't actually affect me, actually that's a lie, it affects me in a positive way. Therefore, how can it be a rant: "hey I'm annoyed with 40 somethings that make themselves foolish," if I wanted to reinforce my standing in the male pecking order which is relatively high I would just encourage it. It's not a rant, it's an observation, and an astute one.

 

Again why *I* started this thread, because had a female started it she couldn't state such a thing without motives coming into it. I notice you've already taken the female jealously line, you failed with that because I'm male, now you're trying to re-assign my position as ranting instead.

 

But that's an aside, I think you really should learn to write posts without sprinkling them with logical fallacies. I see this is the third time you've tried to direct this thread off topic by creating a straw man and failed miserably.

You didn't indicate that at all in your original post:

I am starting to wonder wtf is going on

 

I am in my early 30's, good looking, in shape, relatively wealthy, bags of relationship experience, and yet recognise that I'm starting to move a little past my prime. Why is it then that guys a decade older than me are becoming so delusional that they are thinking they some kind of catch for young attractive women?

 

Young attractive women don't generally hang out on dating sites, they're out doing social things, they're not, and have never been interested in 40 something guys that approach them with the one dimensional offer of money. It doesn't matter how fast the car is, how big the house is, how fat the salary is, you ain't getting past hello.

 

I know guys in their 40's that are on the rich list, do women go waga waga doe eyed for them? No they don't? Why? Because they were banging the broke musician last night. You don't get brownie points for being an exec amongst young women, you get the same sort of respect that their father would. A great guy, maybe? but shaggable? I think not.

 

Now how do I know this? Because I was that guy in my 20's that banged the women, and believe me, it didn't matter if I was strung out half the time and begging for a fiver for my breakfast, because it was fun to them. All I had to do was sing a song in front of a few people, go on and on about my music, and I was shaggable, period. Try doing that in your 40's, and you'll just come across as sad.

 

If you are in your 40's and are positioning yourself to do what you didn't do in your 20's forget it. The money you accumilated isn't unusual, you are not Clooney, you are not a babe magnet, the most you get is chewed up and spat out by a golddigger, because women in their 20's will run you ragged.

Where in your original post did you state what you said in the part I put in bold?

 

That post signifies a rant. You're constantly use the second-person to indicate you are talking about men in their 40s dating women in their 20s. Examples:

 

--It doesn't matter how fast the car is, how big the house is, how fat the salary is, you ain't getting past hello.

--You don't get brownie points for being an exec amongst young women, you get the same sort of respect that their father would. A great guy, maybe? but shaggable? I think not.

--If you are in your 40's and are positioning yourself to do what you didn't do in your 20's forget it. The money you accumilated isn't unusual, you are not Clooney, you are not a babe magnet, the most you get is chewed up and spat out by a golddigger, because women in their 20's will run you ragged.

 

Does that not look like a rant to you? That looks like a rant to me. And it also looks like you're reacting negatively not positively. You also feel the need to brag about yourself on a messageboard: I am in my early 30's, good looking, in shape, relatively wealthy, bags of relationship experience. Right there you sounded like you were writing a personal ad. Then you go off on your flame post. But wait, according to you this isn't a flame post. This is just your coming-out-of-left field way of saying how unfair it would be if an older woman went after a younger man and her motives were in question. Right. How am I supposed to pick that up from your original post? How is anybody supposed to pick that up? Why couldn't you state plainly, "It's unfair how older women are judged for dating younger men while older men/younger female relationships are given less criticism"? Would that have been so hard? What's the point of the personal ad description, talking about brownie points, and broke musicians? Where did all that come from?

 

Also, I have a few arguments against your original post:

--Young attractive women don't generally hang out on dating sites. Wrong. Myspace is heavily populated by young women. In fact, that's who the majority of the members are. True, many go there for networking but they also go for dating as well. When you look at their profile and it says why they are on myspace many put down "dating" as a reason. Myspace is written a lot like a dating site as well, by the fact that their profile descriptions have sections where you type your address, height, ethnicity, any other info about yourself.

--they're out doing social things, they're not, and have never been interested in 40 something guys that approach them with the one dimensional offer of money

What exactly do you mean by "social things"? And do you really think there aren't any women who are interested in guys for money. *ahem* hookers.

--It doesn't matter how fast the car is, how big the house is, how fat the salary is, you ain't getting past hello.

Are you serious? Either the women in your day were less superficial or you've been out of the dating loop for too long, old man. The 20-something women I know seriously do talk about materialism as if it the highest denominator. Hell, that's why rappers keep talking about it because it makes all the young women go ga-ga.

--I know guys in their 40's that are on the rich list, do women go waga waga doe eyed for them? No they don't? Why? Because they were banging the broke musician last night.

What broke musicians are you talking about? Do you mean those indie rock musicians in Portland, OR and Seattle who play acoustic guitar in seedy bars? Those guys are getting a lot of chicks? Well, I guess they must be because half their songs are about women breaking up with them. I guess I should tell Ben Barnett from Kind of Like Spitting, who is in Seattle to quit moaning about his g/f problems because no matter what, young women won't leave his broke, whiney song-writting self for a mature, confident executive at Microsoft.

--Now how do I know this? Because I was that guy in my 20's that banged the women, and believe me, it didn't matter if I was strung out half the time and begging for a fiver for my breakfast, because it was fun to them. All I had to do was sing a song in front of a few people, go on and on about my music, and I was shaggable, period. Try doing that in your 40's, and you'll just come across as sad.

What's was the name of your stage name? Vanilla Ice? I'm sure V-Ice gets more ladies these days than Mick Jagger.

--If you are in your 40's and are positioning yourself to do what you didn't do in your 20's forget it. The money you accumilated isn't unusual, you are not Clooney, you are not a babe magnet, the most you get is chewed up and spat out by a golddigger, because women in their 20's will run you ragged.

You're basically saying women in their 20s are no good. An older, mature man with money, a good car, a big house, and a position as an executive in a big company can't handle them. Only a struggling musician in his 20s who begs for a five dollar bill and sings in no-name bars has the ability to sweep a young woman off her feet. HILARIOUS! I put that in all caps to indicate how much I'm laughing at you.

 

Give it up, man. You keep running around. Quit trying to pepper your response with, "you're just giving a straw-man argument, you have too many fallacies, and even if only one anonymous 20-something woman on an internet forum said she found guys in their 40s too creepy to date then that's good enough for me". You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. So how do you expect anyone else to be able to?

[clv0116]

You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. So how do you expect anyone else to be able to?

 

Be careful, you keep writing stuff like that and he'll write you a poem pretty soon.

[BoredPerson]

Some do. Some keep her around to take care of the kids but keep ogling 20 year olds and masturbating to porn of 20 year olds. I always wanted to fall in love and have a deep relationship to connect with a man but I just don't think alot of men value the same things in life and it's obvious that women are rather disposable and useless to some men beyond looks and age. A man can live his life not being looked down on but I guess men want us to be happy living our lives while men look down on women. I just wish men really cared about what they had to offer a woman and be appreciative of what she offers him . I don't see that being a reality.

 

Yes I agree, women are nothing but a disposable rag to men. That is why all of these people are getting married, having kids, and falling in love with each other. That is why there are bodies of literature dedicated to love and why women can have a large impact on a mans happiness.

 

Men don't value women at all and you should never trust a man.

[Jersey Shortie]

Jersey, you and I have gone one round on this, but I'm not sure I have the energy right now for another. I don't confront Woggle et al. on their anti-women posts because frankly I'd be wasting my breath and time. I called you out on your anti-men posts because I sense that at least some part of you doesn't WANT to believe your posts, and would be willing to have a man try to talk you out of your views. I tried. Now I'm left with the opinion, which has been growing over time, that you do in fact want to believe what you say about men.

 

It doesn't make me angry in the least. It just seems sad and pointless and, if you are truly interested in a relationship with a man, hugely self-defeating.

 

My posts aren't anti-male. You're a married man and I gather married for a long time. You don't encounter the same issues I do with men dating and mating. You're allowed to think what you want about me though of course.

 

 

St.Nick, MySpace isn't a dating site. People might say they are dating and people might hook up from Myspace but it was originally a music site. It's nothing like a real dating site like match.com.

 

You're example of using hookers as an example when talking about normal male/female dating rituals is ridiculous.

 

The reason rappers talk about materialism is because the rappers themselves are materialistic. With their tricked out cars and crap. hate to tell you but some young men go just as crazy over these examples of money as some women can be. All in all though, I don't know one person that really admires rappers despite their money and showing off.

 

You're arguements are really lame.

[donnamaybe]

St.Nick, You're arguements are really lame.

 

Aren't they though?

[pollywag]

Wrong. Myspace is heavily populated by young women. In fact, that's who the majority of the members are. True, many go there for networking but they also go for dating as well. When you look at their profile and it says why they are on myspace many put down "dating" as a reason. Myspace is written a lot like a dating site as well, by the fact that their profile descriptions have sections where you type your address, height, ethnicity, any other info about yourself.

 

Myspace is a haven for douches that refuse to grow who are starting up rock bands at the age of 50, and little girls who are trying to be discovered to get into porn, fluffers for music videos, or Girls Gone Wild type band groupies. Anyone else who does not fit into that category stumbled upon the site by mistake and doesn't know any better.

Cool young women are getting the cool guys IRL, not hanging out on some cesspool maggot infested pseudo porn site like Myspace pretending "it's cool to find a date online". ONLY LOSERS in their 20's need find dates on Myspace. Next try to tell me Craigslist is a classy way to meet interesting young desirable singles.

But whatever as long as you are aware your standards are way below the average person's we are all good!

 

What exactly do you mean by "social things"?

 

Honey if you have to ask you need to get out more.

 

 

 

What broke musicians are you talking about? Do you mean those indie rock musicians in Portland, OR and Seattle who play acoustic guitar in seedy bars? Those guys are getting a lot of chicks?

 

He means the ones who legitimately have Myspace profiles for their legitimate bands because they are young, cool and artisitc, and who are actually getting all the action from women they meet at their gigs. You know the kind, the type that young women who are forced to go for 50 yr old douches but WISH they could get the young hot musicians, but don't have a chance in hell because they are simply not good enough for those cool guys.

 

Those kinds.

 

Let's face face it while the beautiful smart young women are snatching up the hot doctors, DJ's, rock stars, stock brokers, the young women who simply don't cut it are being talked up by the 50 yr old loser that can't go up a flight of stairs without panting, is losing his hair, smells like my granfather's Lazyboy cushions, and who's only reedeeming quality is that his arthritis still permits him to flicker UrbanSoon on his iPhone. "Ohhhh look what I can do my little lasshy. Look at what my $20 and hour sales job expenses so that I can lay you tonight, can I buy you a meal?"

 

:laugh:

[sumdude]

to the older men who only want younger women, what happens when these 20somethings hit their 30th birthday, do you trade them in for someone younger? You all act as if they are going to stay this age forever, and like they are never going to change.

 

 

LOL... nothing, when she hits 30 and her sexual prime she's likely to hit the ground running for a guy who can keep up with her in the sack.

 

Me? I'm 41, divorced and just back into dating. I see the cute young ladies and they sure look nice and are nice but I can't quite see it. On the other hand a lot of women my age I've met have been through 3 - 5 live in LTRs and are a bit jaded. I've really only had one LTR and that was my ex wife so in some ways i have less baggage than someone my age who was never married.

 

Seems like 28 - 35 is about the age range for me. I have no kids and still want a family. OOh right.. better get going before my spermies get all icky..... Actually I had a count done when I was 38, high count , good motility and overall quite virile thank you.