Why do many men kid themselves with the whole younger woman thing?

[GorillaTheater]

At 40 or 45 it's not desirable for a man to start having children even if he does produce healthy offspring because by the age of 60 more than likely he will kick the bucket leaving behind children of 15 and 20 yrs of age. Why do that to children? why deprive them of a normal lifespan of having a dad?

 

Essentially older men don't give a damn about their kids or their futures of becoming a product of single mom parenting, they just care about themselves and what they want at middle age.

 

Polywag, we've gotten along pretty well on various threads. Until now.

 

I'm 46. My youngest is three. I'm a better dad now than at probably any other time in my life. AND I can still wrestle my teenage boys into submission.

 

I don't give a damn about my kids? The f*ck you say.

[Jaytb]

translation:

 

Couldn't get a girl to even look at me until I had a little money to offer.

 

 

I mean really, who doesn't "start" until they are financially stable? Start what? You are going to turn down great dates because you don't have a career a house and a car? I think not!

Or you are going to end a great relationship with a girl because you don't have a house or car? If a girl is into you and is dating you she doesn't care about that, she is with you through thick and thin. But if you can't get a girl at any cost you might just have to depend on finances in order to entice and coax them into going out with you.

 

So the implications here are pretty clear...

 

Gee way to be insulting and presumptuous. The implication is that he spent more time on his career, and less on dating.

[sally4sara]

I don't know about anyone else but I sure wasn't advocating anything of the sort. However I was pointing out that after 35 things really start to change. So if a goal in a woman's life is to bear children that should be kept in mind.

 

As for me, I'm 41 and don't have many more years before I may be too old to bring up kids the way I'd like to.

 

Then you can probably understand why it would come off so hateful if a group of people ran around telling others to not choose you because you are now too old to be of use for what you want to do despite your belief that you still have some time to achieve your goal.

 

If a man tells a woman her loves her and wants to be her husband, what does it say if this would all change should she turn out infertile (at any age)?

It says SHE was never what he loved to begin with. He just loved the idea of having his own uterus.

That is what is going on with the men on here who, at their own ripe age, purposefully seek much younger women to marry. It has nothing to do with any personal quality these girls might have. It only marginally has anything to do with their appearance because that is fleeting. It is all about their uterus and their ease of control.

Their pre-nupt probably includes a trip to the gyno office for a fertility check.

[clv0116]

I don't give a damn about my kids? The f*ck you say.

 

She's just trying to lob rocks at me. Ignore it.

[Jaytb]

Essentially older men don't give a damn about their kids or their futures of becoming a product of single mom parenting, they just care about themselves and what they want at middle age.

 

What if I said older women didn't give a damn about their kids? or having a family? That's right, it would be just as insulting as your statement. And just as false.

[mr.dream merchant]

Everybody is a self proclaimed know it all on this website lol. If its not something you said, its something you didn't. Peep the honesty thread. I say something about a strip club now I'm a pig who ogles women when I'm with my GF. Lmao, point is...take everything this miserable posters take with a grain of salt Gorilla. Are you really gonna let Pollywag's ignorant blanket statement get to you? Like you said. The **** she said.

[sally4sara]

Gee way to be insulting and presumptuous. The implication is that he spent more time on his career, and less on dating.

 

See.

A woman suggests about men, exactly what some men on here say over and over about women, and now you're insulted.

 

You and gorilla just proved our point.

[mr.dream merchant]

Everybody is a self proclaimed know it all on this website lol. If its not something you said, its something you didn't. Peep the honesty thread. I say something about a strip club now I'm a pig who ogles women when I'm with my GF. Lmao, point is...take everything this miserable posters take with a grain of salt Gorilla. Are you really gonna let Pollywag's ignorant blanket statement get to you? Like you said. The **** she said.

 

"Take everything these* miserable poster's say*"

[Jaytb]

I am actually going out with a man a little younger then me this week and he is more mature then some of the older men I have dated. Life is funny.

 

So JS, a man can be mature for his age but a woman can't?

[GorillaTheater]

Everybody is a self proclaimed know it all on this website lol. If its not something you said, its something you didn't. Peep the honesty thread. I say something about a strip club now I'm a pig who ogles women when I'm with my GF. Lmao, point is...take everything this miserable posters take with a grain of salt Gorilla. Are you really gonna let Pollywag's ignorant blanket statement get to you? Like you said. The **** she said.

 

No, you're exactly right. A rule I learned early on in "forum land" is that once you get mad, you've already lost. So I'll just chalk this one off to the "loss" column.

[Jaytb]

See.

A woman suggests about men, exactly what some men on here say over and over about women, and now you're insulted.

 

You and gorilla just proved our point.

 

Haha really? I point out when someone is being insulting and I'm the bad guy? Tell me, is it any better when a woman does it than when a man does it?

 

I am actually quite similar to the thinking of some of the women on here. I do think a lot of older men are being delusional about the age of the women they should date. But I have also been under the opinion that it is not morally wrong for them to have a preference for younger women.

[sally4sara]

This thread cracks me up!

You got women saying "old guys are ewww!; you're spunk is deformed baby junk"

Even suggesting that the men shouldn't have put off family planning to focus on careers. Doing so makes them uncaring daddies.

All the guys get upset without even realizing these are things men have been saying to women forever.

All the babble about cold hearted career women desperate for babies once they're too old and dried up to be of interest to any guy.......

All it took was some of the same back at ya and you all start crying and getting indignant!:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

This is some of the saddest free entertainment. I hope dinner is almost done.

[sally4sara]

Haha really? I point out when someone is being insulting and I'm the bad guy? Tell me, is it any better when a woman does it than when a man does it?

 

I am actually quite similar to the thinking of some of the women on here. I do think a lot of older men are being delusional about the age of the women they should date. But I have also been under the opinion that it is not morally wrong for them to have a preference for younger women.

 

I have never cared about the age thing; my fiance is almost 7 years younger than I am and I am already a mother to an 11 year old boy.

I do find disgust over some of the motives I've read on here and I hope this thread bothers those guys very much.

Sorry I quoted you if it bothers you so much; it was too rich to resist.

[GorillaTheater]

Haha really? I point out when someone is being insulting and I'm the bad guy? Tell me, is it any better when a woman does it than when a man does it?

 

I am actually quite similar to the thinking of some of the women on here. I do think a lot of older men are being delusional about the age of the women they should date. But I have also been under the opinion that it is not morally wrong for them to have a preference for younger women.

 

I'm with you. The only other times I've gotten involved in threads like this was to reach out to people like SoSerious and Jersy Shortie. Came to naught, but I gave it a shot.

 

If, God forbid, I'm ever back in the dating scene, I can't imagine getting involved with a woman more than 10 years in age different than mine, but that's my preference. Why does anybody give a crap about other peoples' preferences?

[sumdude]

 

If a man tells a woman her loves her and wants to be her husband, what does it say if this would all change should she turn out infertile (at any age)?

It says SHE was never what he loved to begin with. He just loved the idea of having his own uterus.

 

Oh the irony..

 

my ex wife turned out to be infertile.. and left me suddenly for an older man with his own kid who she now gets to be step mommy for. She got what she wanted in another way. I wasn't the one who wanted the marriage to end. So personally I don't want to go through that again if I can help it.

[GorillaTheater]

All the guys get upset without even realizing these are things men have been saying to women forever.

All the babble about cold hearted career women desperate for babies once they're too old and dried up to be of interest to any guy.......

All it took was some of the same back at ya and you all start crying and getting indignant!:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

I've never said anything of the sort about women. But glad I was of some service in proving your "point".

[sally4sara]

Oh the irony..

 

my ex wife turned out to be infertile.. and left me suddenly for an older man with his own kid who she now gets to be step mommy for. She got what she wanted in another way. I wasn't the one who wanted the marriage to end. So personally I don't want to go through that again if I can help it.

 

I don't see much offensive in your motives. You entered your marriage to a peer and with the mutual intent to have children. Life just threw you both a loop and now you are dealing with it how you can. I was only pointing out how at your age, you can identify with women who waited and now want children with out all their ducks in a row, listening to the tick tick tick......

 

It is rude, I feel, to tell someone of any gender, that they're wrong and SOL if they haven't seen to the kid thing by now. Families come in so many shapes and sizes that by now, we should all be past the pointing fingers at older moms or unflattering plotting for child brides by entitled jerks.

Isn't it 2009 and don't we have all kinds of ways to achieve our goals by now?

[pollywag]

Polywag, we've gotten along pretty well on various threads. Until now.

 

I'm 46. My youngest is three. I'm a better dad now than at probably any other time in my life. AND I can still wrestle my teenage boys into submission.

 

I don't give a damn about my kids? The f*ck you say.

 

 

Were you playing the field for 43 yrs with expectations growing more and more unrealistic as time passed ending up marrying a woman 20 yrs younger than you? I doubt it! You don't strike me as the type.

 

I am making the distinction and only making the comment about men who wait around until middle age, demand to be with a woman half his age and pretend like they are some great catch because they string along several women half their age since they are something worth waiting possibly a whole lifetime for. That's what the thread topic is about.

 

If you are in your 40's and had relationships and it didn't work out but found love at that age and started a family with someone of reasonable age to yours you don't qualify for that comment.

Big difference between eternal bachelor types who have a sense of entitlement to women almost 3/4 their age and a man who starts a family later in life because he found love at that point.

 

We still friends GorillaTheatre?

[sally4sara]

I've never said anything of the sort about women. But glad I was of some service in proving your "point".

 

I'm sure you are. At your crusty age I'm sure you're glad to be of use at all right. (I tease I tease)

 

If I can do anything on this site, I hope it is to help people of either gender to see that the plight of one gender is the plight of both genders. I found your post useful for that reason. If it helps, perhaps it put to light the fact that shaming you for being an older dad is just as bad as putting down a career woman for wishing to wait to have children.

See, wrong attitude for both genders.

[pollywag]

What if I said older women didn't give a damn about their kids? or having a family? That's right, it would be just as insulting as your statement. And just as false.

 

 

No that would be right if you were talking about women in their late 30's wanting a young buck to start a family because they missed the boat getting a 20 something guy when they were that age. Again, read the topic of this thread and let's keep it wihthin that guideline. Cool?

[GorillaTheater]

Were you playing the field for 43 yrs with expectations growing more and more unrealistic as time passed ending up marrying a woman 20 yrs younger than you? I doubt it! You don't strike me as the type.

 

I am making the distinction and only making the comment about men who wait around until middle age, demand to be with a woman half his age and pretend like they are some great catch because they string along several women half their age since they are something worth waiting possibly a whole lifetime for. That's what the thread topic is about.

 

If you are in your 40's and had relationships and it didn't work out but found love at that age and started a family with someone of reasonable age to yours you don't qualify for that comment.

Big difference between eternal bachelor types who have a sense of entitlement to women almost 3/4 their age and a man who starts a family later in life because he found love at that point.

 

We still friends GorillaTheatre?

 

Yeah, we're fine. I took the comment badly, but I realize I was coming in on the end of a heated and emotional thread. I understand it wasn't directed at me.

 

No, married 25 years, 8 kids, all from the same lovely bride.

 

But there won't be a 9th. I would like to retire one of these days.

[pollywag]

Yeah, we're fine. I took the comment badly, but I realize I was coming in on the end of a heated and emotional thread. I understand it wasn't directed at me.

 

No, married 25 years, 8 kids, all from the same lovely bride.

 

But there won't be a 9th. I would like to retire one of these days.

 

 

See! I told you, you didn't qualify. I don't know you but I can tell you are NOT the type described in this thread.

 

And my goodness 25yrs of marriage and 8 kids, what a wonderful story I love it! To compare your situation to anything discussed in this thread is to compare apples and wood chips. Not even on the same plane.

[clv0116]

I am making the distinction and only making the comment about men who wait around until middle age, demand to be with a woman half his age and pretend like they are some great catch because they string along several women half their age since they are something worth waiting possibly a whole lifetime for.

 

Oh the horror. Some man somewhere is refusing to date women his age and instead dates the younger women he wants to date. How will the world go on? What shall we do? Perhaps we can rise in a mass and shame him into submission with our shrieking and wailing!

 

If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh.

[pollywag]

Oh the horror. Some man somewhere is refusing to date women his age and instead dates the younger women he wants to date. How will the world go on? What shall we do? Perhaps we can rise in a mass and shame him into submission with our shrieking and wailing!

 

If it wasn't so sad I'd laugh.

 

 

As long as we're clearing the air...

That's where you miss the mark clv, it's not that if a man somewhere feels the need to do this he is wrong. I am a firm believer of "to each their own". It is more that hand in hand this same type of guy also has this burning desire to degrade women of closer to his age or even 10 yrs younger by trying to make them feel like they are useless when in actuality he is portraying himself to be far more pathetic than they will ever be.

 

I'm laughing because quite frankly the irony is simply hilarious!

 

Then again if he didn't find something almost cartoon-like in nature to degrade and belittle women who are closer to his age, there would be no justifiable reason for him to be considered rational in his choices. He would be seen for what he is without the smoke screen. What he is, I'll let people decide for themselves.

 

I've already decided, so read between the lines.

[Cherished]

clv, no one really gives a c**p about who you date (or, more correctly, who you claim to).

however, don't spout off your crap that women value security and men value beauty and that's that, as if women, also, didn't have the same need to be physically attracted.

Don't go saying that men generally want younger women and that women in their 20s are the most desireable and that men above 30 will go for the 20s aged women, and that's that.

We who actually get out of the house and date and have relationships know that the 35+ men aren't all out there dating the 20's set, they are out there dating the women within their age range, because the 15% who marry significantly younger are in the minority, and this is not the dream and goal of all men above 30. Most men don't even see an age, they see someone they connect with. Just like most women don't see a man with $, they want a man they connect with and love.

And that's that!

The answer to the thread is that there ARE men who kid themselves with the whole younger women thing but there are LOTS of men who don't and who love to love, they aim to love a woman, not an age. If a man sees a woman who is 2 years younger or older, they are thinking "wow, a great women who I can connect with." I know several men in their late 30s and 40s who have told me that the 20 something women simply didn't appeal to them. Just like the 25 year old men don't appeal to me for dating/relationships/marriage.

Statiscally, most women AND men are marrying in their 20's...so those twenty something women you so crave are already engaged and married...but you can catch them in their 30s and 40s after the stats of divorce start popping up.

So...there 'ya go.

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