Men and Women and Porn and Strip Clubs

[Sam Spade]

boobies . I was just about to indulge in some adult entertainment, but Jersey Shortie deflated my boner, as usually.

[sally4sara]

Frankly, I've made my case.

 

I have no interest in turning this thread into a semantics war. Your "case" changes from post to post because you don't just wish to discuss the thread topic; you wish to compete in some manner with each poster. I don't see how answering each semantic issue question intends to progress this topic; is this what you perceive as my ignoring questions posed by you? Ask a question that can be applied to the topic and I will answer.

I'm just attempting to not get caught up in this game you play that inflates each post with argumentative fluff. You can just refer back to my post before this for the semantics stuff.

 

I'm trying to discuss the new aspect of home-made porn. You said there is a difference in comparison to mainstream. You said a guy viewing some home-made of his partner is different. You cleared that up for me, thanks!

If I did go after you like a dog on a bone, I'm sorry I made you feel that way. Its safe to say the bone is sucked dry of marrow now so I'll move on HUN.

 

Perhaps I should instead direct the question of compromise to the posters who do use porn? They might be better qualified to answer now.

 

If your partner was made uncomfortable by your porn viewing, what compromises could she offer that would be considered acceptable and fair? Would home-made porn of your partner be an acceptable compromise or is the variety factor to heavy of a lure? How could the introduction of home-made porn be managed without risk that it would become public?

[AAlike]

If your partner was made uncomfortable by your porn viewing, what compromises could she offer that would be considered acceptable and fair? Would home-made porn of your partner be an acceptable compromise or is the variety factor to heavy of a lure? How could the introduction of home-made porn be managed without risk that it would become public?

 

First of all, sally, thank you for attempting to harness the thread back to relevancy. and just to show my appreciation, as an added bonus, I will be answering your question bilingually - in both English and Jersese!

 

First, Jersese:

 

Why are men instantly supposed to cater to what makes women uncomfortable?? We are compromising again? wasn't it bad enough when we compromised our manhood and ability to hang out with friends and talk about how we were going to drool over 20-year olds on our deathbeds? do you want a "hail hitler" while you steal our pornos? you want my nads in a doggie bag too? and I bet no one talks about the fact that the poor man has to go to work to pay for that handycam that you use to make those movies on while you women sit on the couch watching soaps and wishing Hugh Grant would show up on your doorstep with flowers. Also, sally, your hyphenating of "home-made" and need to split it into two words shows that you clearly have issues.

 

Now, English:

 

First off, in all honesty, no one will ever be taping me having sex until I was married...and even then I'd be somewhat wary of it. and I'd be thrice as precautionary if I were a gal. I mean, seriously, what happens to that footage when you break up with someone?? especially a bad breakup??

 

in any event - the thing that I think that I am not conveying is that it's not a question of being "lured" to porn, being unable to "resist its clutches" or anything like that. If I had no access to porn effective tomorrow I really woudn't care. to me it'd be like asking me to give up McDonald's. It's not so much a question of "what would it take to get me to give up porn" so much as it's a question of the doubts that would be raised in my mind by being ASKED to give it up. I'm not "pro-porn", I'm just anti-the notion that viewing porn is being unfaithful.

[Jersey Shortie]

Sally, I have no clue what a semantics war is. And can you please answer my previous question about that qoute you posted? Please point me where you got it from. It's a simple request since you obviously know where it is.

 

As for arguments changing, caught up in game playing and argumentative fluff, you just described yourself to a tee. As I said previously, I've proved my case.

 

 

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What I meant is that the people in porn are obviously human beings (and not less of a person) but the product itself (porn) is not a depiction of real life. It is a scripted tale/fantasy, much like a regular movie and people get paid to play those parts. That is why it is "not real" to me.

 

I think men's fantasy's say alot about what they really want and it's clear from the industry what men want. And since the porn industry is filled with a caricture of a woman, not what real women are about. It's sucky as a woman to see that. Porn isn't about celebrating women in their indivudual sexuality. It's about conforming to an over the top stereotype about what women should be to be sexy and attractive and fun. Most men don't have to sit through a porn where the guy is 18, with fake body parts, makes tons of money, is this perfect ideal male playmate while their partner sits there giggling like a school girl rubbing one out. You know how many women have done that in return for their male partner? It just blows. Porn doen't play into what you question about yourself as a man. It plays up all those questions because all the men in porn always deliver, never have ED issues, are masters of the bedroom and always make the woman cum. It does plays into all those things women questiong inherently about themselves. But somehow women are suppose to rise above it? While men cater to it? It's beyond frustrating, the double standards and lack of concern. Not celebrating women for who they are but wanting them to conform to an industry standard of sexuality.

 

And alot of men sure do seem to want to make porn real life somtimes at least! Because alot of men do ask their partners to do things, wear things or think it's a compliment when a woman acts more "porn-starish". So no, it's not just fantasy. There is a huge difference between a regular movie and a porn movie. The fact that porn movies make more money then regular movies is pretty telling.

 

Porn is a masturbation tool for me, nothing more. When I was a teenager, there was virtually no porn (I had seen a Playboy magazine but that was it), and I used my imagination. I certainly don't watch porn so that I can feel like "the man" as you put it, or because I want to watch porn that degrades women. I'd much rather have sex with a woman I love instead of masturbating alone (with or without porn).

 

Well, honestly I do firmly believe that part of porn's allure is that it does make men feel like men. I think men have an emotional resposne to porn. How can they not right? In the old days, it was just a Playboy. Today there are so many things you have to compete against as a woman and you can't even come home at the end of the day and have a safe outlet with yoru man because he just might be another one of the people bringing in the outside world that you have to keep on trudging after. As a woman I try very hard to fight the *ideals* about what a woman's body should be but when the men in your life buy into those very ideals, it is damn tough. You're your own island. He isn't on your side.

 

I don't like most porn and what I watch, I don't consider demeaning towards women. It's not different from the things I have done with a gf and I am very vanilla. Granted, that is my personal, subjective opinion and you could argue that all porn degrades women. It also doesn't mean that my porn use while single should be accepted by a woman who is against porn.

 

I think porn does more harm then good. And it's a fact that porn has become more graphic and intense with the boom of the internet. There are alot of young boys growing up on porn that isn't just his dad's Playboy and I greatly fear the affect it has on boys and girls alike.

 

 

I consider the porn I watch to be harmless. There is a lot of porn that isn't my thing and I was merely trying to explain my position, I never watched porn when I was in a relationship but I use it regularly, though not always when I am single. I am not trying to change your mind about porn.

 

I am sure most men do consider it harmless because porn cater's to male desires and needs foremost. It's easy for you to sit there and say that.

 

 

They are regular men, they just don't care about porn that much or in some cases they don't watch it at all. They do normal things just like all the other guys.

 

Well, I have heard enough arguments where men claim they don't care about porn when it's evident by the high emotional response and arguments that men obviously do. I don't claim that I don't care about porn because I do. I don't think it's normal to have the amount of men we do today sitting infront of their computers interacting with their hand and computer screen then a real woman. But as long as he throws the real woman scraps of attention it's okay to use her and the porn interchangabley I guess.

[Jersey Shortie]

At the end of the day, I think alot of people see the ugly truth in my words and don't want to admit it about themselves.

 

First of all, sally, thank you for attempting to harness the thread back to relevancy. and just to show my appreciation, as an added bonus, I will be answering your question bilingually - in both English and Jersese!

 

I think it's been said by many people here that I make highly intelligent arguments. Your comments don't belittle my standing.

 

First, Jersese:

 

Why are men instantly supposed to cater to what makes women uncomfortable?? We are compromising again? wasn't it bad enough when we compromised our manhood and ability to hang out with friends and talk about how we were going to drool over 20-year olds on our deathbeds?

 

Well seriously AALike, that's my point. If men want these things why do youe men bother having relationships? If a man wants to bang 20 year olds and not committ that's fine. Don't. But why do you men get into relationships and then turn around telling your partner how much you need to visually and indirectly look at other women. Why shouldn't that make woman that loves you question her place in your life? How many men in their 20s, 30s and 40s are looking at the same porn of the same age group of women. Men that raised families and might even have daughter that age themselves now. Is that the best a woman can expect ? Is that just the way it is?

 

..do you want a "hail hitler" while you steal our pornos?

 

Well first, this is far in left field. Second, you can keep "your pornos", they are clearly important to you.

 

 

Now, English:

 

First off, in all honesty, no one will ever be taping me having sex until I was married...and even then I'd be somewhat wary of it. and I'd be thrice as precautionary if I were a gal. I mean, seriously, what happens to that footage when you break up with someone?? especially a bad breakup??

 

Are you saying if you broke up with a girl and it was bad you lack an understanding of your own character and even question yourself if you would put it up or not? Would you do that to a woman?

 

It's not so much a question of "what would it take to get me to give up porn" so much as it's a question of the doubts that would be raised in my mind by being ASKED to give it up. I'm not "pro-porn", I'm just anti-the notion that viewing porn is being unfaithful.

 

I bet that the same kind of doubts raise in alot of woman's mind, I know it does in mine, when men defend porn so closely.

 

Would a porn tape of you and yuor SO or just your SO be enough for you to not view porn anymore? Hypothetically without the idea that it's gonig to end up on public broadcasting. I get the impression that men aren't too excited by seeing their partners so much as they are fresh faces and bodies. I think that's what men really want. I could be wrong but that seems to ring true.

[sally4sara]

First off, in all honesty, no one will ever be taping me having sex until I was married...and even then I'd be somewhat wary of it. and I'd be thrice as precautionary if I were a gal. I mean, seriously, what happens to that footage when you break up with someone?? especially a bad breakup??

 

Yeah, that was my concern for this kind of compromise. I couldn't really see what the difference between what any couple could film in their bedroom and mainstream porn. Any difference would disappear if that tape became public. That was the reason why I didn't understand Jersey's point and needed clarification.

 

in any event - the thing that I think that I am not conveying is that it's not a question of being "lured" to porn, being unable to "resist its clutches" or anything like that. If I had no access to porn effective tomorrow I really woudn't care. to me it'd be like asking me to give up McDonald's. It's not so much a question of "what would it take to get me to give up porn" so much as it's a question of the doubts that would be raised in my mind by being ASKED to give it up. I'm not "pro-porn", I'm just anti-the notion that viewing porn is being unfaithful.

 

And this is the problem we face in group discussion about porn. You think of what porn is to you and you don't see a problem. How we judge something to be a problem varies from person to person. I don't care so long as I'm getting attention I like when I need it from my partner and it isn't kiddie porn or snuff film.....IDK, I might be skeeved out if it was some other varieties too, but that is another issue perhaps?

You don't feel what you do to be a problem by whatever standard you have. It becomes ridiculous to us (non addicted or effected people) that porn MUST be a problem.

But when we discuss this issue as though it is our personal actions on trial, we begin to defend ourselves only and that defense comes across as a lack of regard to someone in a relationship where porn HAS become a problem. It makes a person who is experiencing a real issue on this subject feel like no one will hear them out.

If someone's issue with porn is that they feel pitted against an ever replenished supply of youthful people while they can do nothing but age as time goes by.....That makes me sad. It would be nice to think that once we find that *perfect* partner, we can let our guard down because they've accepted not just who we are today - but who we will become. How does a person's use of porn play into this? How can this be reconciled for both partners?

[Jersey Shortie]

Hey Sally, can you please tell me where you got that qoute from about semantics? You must know where it is since you directly qouted me saying it. I woudl appreacite it. Thanks

[Sam Spade]

One way to fully take to the limit the hatred of men is to star in farm animals porn . This'll get the mesage across, plus will bring in a couple of buxx .

[GorillaTheater]

One way to fully take to the limit the hatred of men is to star in farm animals porn . This'll get the mesage across, plus will bring in a couple of buxx .

 

ALL men watch animal porn.

[gopher]

JS,

 

At the core of this thread is that men are bad for watching porn....and at one point, Jersey says ALL men have view porn, so that must mean all men are bad.

 

That was my point of my cheesecake factory post...I was pointing out the silliness of that argument.

 

So, if a guy view porn at any point in his life, once or multiple times, not only was he being disrespectful to any current women in his life, he also was being disrespectful to all future partners....Does that sound reasonable?

 

You post many threads like this one, asking men for their opinions, guys come and share, then it turns into a man bashing thread...not a disussion of ideas....you beliefs are so dogmatic that there is no room for an honest discussion and differing opinions.

 

I get it....Porn is bad....All men watch or have watched porn....so All men are bad and not worthy of women....

 

Please correct me if I've mistated any of your views....and I'd be happy to go back and find the post where you said all men have view porn.

 

Finally, since even women are weighing in thinking that you are at the extreme with your thinking....is it possible that you have some issues with porn, or men in general that you need to work through? I asked that extremely respectfully....

[Sam Spade]

ALL men watch animal porn.

 

I understand (regular porn is reserved strictly for the purpose of professing hatred for daddy, and what fun is that)

[gopher]

For the record...

 

You don't have to date men who want to watch porn. Because not all men look at porn when they are in a relationship. And some men don't look at porn at all. Please tell me where to find such men.

[You'reasian]

ALL men watch animal porn.

 

Who doesn't enjoy watching a cat get teased by a rooster...

 

[sally4sara]

It wasn't an actual quote. It was me boiling down a bunch of fluffy arguments to:

Words and semantics

 

I'll do it again so you know what I mean

 

Hey Sally, I think you're really cool and I wish I could hang out a bunch with you. can you please tell me how to get to your house?

where did you got that qoute from about semantics? I want to buy one in purple. You must know where it is since you are so cool that you already have one. directly qouted me saying it. I woudl appreacite it. Thanks

 

Do what you will with your new found powers Jersey-san. Whacks on whacks off. (or is it wax? I can't remember.....

[Jersey Shortie]

Well I am glad the guys here think it's funny. It's not funny for me and for alot of women out there that struggle with this issue. It's really upsetting how easily a few of you mock it when obviously being a guy you don't have to deal with the same stereotypes. You don't have a medium that calls you names like slut and whore and things your gender is worthless. You don't have to be left wondering. There are alot of women out theree left wondering why their men bother if they just ultimatly want to look at porn ontop of everything you try to do for him. Laugh at it though go ahead because at the end of the day, porn isn't going away and men certainly aren't going to cut it out of their lives. So all the men out there with wifes, gfs, daughters and families can keep lookign at the same 20 year olds year after year. Go ahead and mock me but that really is the truth of today's world. It's the usually response I get from guys anyway. Getting mocked. It's okay to call wome nsluts and whores and treat them like rags to be thrown away for the new girl but god forbid you call out the industyr for it or the men that use it and enjoy seeing it happening. Funny that we find it so much more acceptable to desrespect women.

 

I give credit to Stockalone for being one of the view that even though disagrees with me, didn't feel the desire to make fun of me for it.

 

Gopher, don't you see the irony in your point? You tell me I am dogmatic and unyielding yet your point makes conclusions that are every bit dogmatic and all inclusive as you say I am. I never said men were bad or bad people. How do you expect to discuss a topic if when I bring up points of interets in posts and the only thing you get out of it is an over indulgence to make untrue comments that "men are bad'? How does a discussion about an industry that more times then not calls wome nsluts and whores and sets up a narrow ideal about women's beauty and worth okay but calling men out on their indulgence for that industry getse men to run crying over exploitives such as yours?

 

 

So, if a guy view porn at any point in his life, once or multiple times, not only was he being disrespectful to any current women in his life, he also was being disrespectful to all future partners....Does that sound reasonable?

 

Does it? How do you expect women to trust you respect women if you can promote and validate a medium that pretty much degrades them 9 times out of 10? Would you want anyone you care for to be a porn star? If it was the other way around I bet men would like it. Men wouldn't like a medium that called them pigs and *******s while women masturbated to it but its oka yto do that to a woman because apparently women don't desreve the respect men do.

 

You post many threads like this one, asking men for their opinions, guys come and share, then it turns into a man bashing thread...not a disussion of ideas....you beliefs are so dogmatic that there is no room for an honest discussion and differing opinions.

 

I don't see a stronghold on men here wanting a sharing of ideas and a great desire to understand the other side of it. All it ever comes down to for men is "porn is good. Women are insecure. there issue not mine. I am keeping the porn. I get to have both a real woman and porn and that's what matters.'

 

I get it....Porn is bad....All men watch or have watched porn....so All men are bad and not worthy of women....

 

Obviously it's real women that aren't worth of men since so many men don't find women exciting enough alone and need porn to create a super ideal about women. Youre not the gender begin called names and demeand in a porno more times then not. easy for you to sit there though isn't it.

 

Why do you draw the conclusion that if porn is bad men are bad? Are men porn? Do men associate that closely and feel that close of a bond with porn? Is porn a repenstations of what men are, should be, want to be? Why is it that if I do think porn is bad and demeaning to women that you draw the concludsion that I think men are bad?

 

Please correct me if I've mistated any of your views....and I'd be happy to go back and find the post where you said all men have view porn.

 

I bet you could and THAT is why i consider you a poster with more vadility then others. However, I do think you have mistated my views.

 

Finally, since even women are weighing in thinking that you are at the extreme with your thinking....is it possible that you have some issues with porn, or men in general that you need to work through? I asked that extremely respectfully....

 

Yes, of coures I do and I never denied that I didn't. But I certinaly don't think the rest of you have it all figured out. I am not by far the only woman that has had to deal with men and porn use. I think it's more of a problem in today's culture then ever. More men then ever are spending more time viewing porn then ever. You men really have no freaking clue how hurtful it is and what it's like as a woman to have to have this consistant battle where even your own guy can't be on your side. What it's like the fact that men rather jerk off to 18 year olds with implants that set the porn aside and actually stand up for the woman in their life.

 

All the little boys out there growing up on teh porn that is out there today, if you think this is goign to make them better men, I think we are kidding ourselves.

[You'reasian]

Jersey Shortie, is porn bad for women too?

 

In your opinion what sexual consumption & practices that are commercial (services, products, practices) are bad for men? women?

[sally4sara]

Well I am glad the guys here think it's funny. It's not funny for me and for alot of women out there that struggle with this issue.

 

Sometime humor is the only way we keep ourselves from climbing the clock tower and a aiming a sniper rifle at the dots below.

 

I also find that I get through to no one when I take things to seriously. A lighter touch would suit you well.

[AAlike]

But when we discuss this issue as though it is our personal actions on trial, we begin to defend ourselves only and that defense comes across as a lack of regard to someone in a relationship where porn HAS become a problem.

 

this makes sense. very similar, in fact, to a conversation that I recently had with my mother about my poker playing. My father, who I don't know particularly well, was a compulsive gambler and it wreaked havoc on my mother. and as such, she is unable to comprehend that someone can simply recreationally enjoy some games of chance (and in fact, I won't gamble in any other fashion - no slot machines, craps, blackjack, sports betting, etc.) without it completely altering their world. we go around about it a lot, especially now that I've been playing for what would seem to many people to be significant money - she is convinced that it is somehow going to become a crisis and that I'm kidding myself for believing that I will be able to "harness" it. her experiencing only the extreme of this issue has made her unable to comprehend a more normalized approach - she was incapable of seeing it from a rational perspective. that is precisely why I had suggested that Jersey share her experiences to see if the same phenomenon was occurring.

 

It makes a person who is experiencing a real issue on this subject feel like no one will hear them out.

 

I suppose, yes - but keep in mind that in this type of situation, many people elect to blame the effect (porn, drugs, gambling, drinking, myspace, whatever) instead of the cause (their partner). it's a lot easier to go campaigning against those effects than it is to face the cause.

 

If someone's issue with porn is that they feel pitted against an ever replenished supply of youthful people while they can do nothing but age as time goes by.....That makes me sad.

 

Yes, I feel for that person as well, but unless their SO specifically made this comparsion then they are taking it upon themselves to "pit themselves" against people in MOVIES for god sakes! If they choose to do so only based on the fact that their SO watches these movies, that is on them, unfortunately. I don't really know why they do it either.

 

I mean, let's extend that logic...people, both single and married, in general like looking at good looking people. it's not like only porn is filled with surgically enhanced and makeup-blasted women and greasy men - so is every movie, TV show and commercial. this "endless supply of youthful people" is thrown in our faces 24 hours a day.

 

It would be nice to think that once we find that *perfect* partner, we can let our guard down because they've accepted not just who we are today - but who we will become.

 

I agree with this and see no reason why we can't do it.

 

How does a person's use of porn play into this? How can this be reconciled for both partners?

 

ideally it should not play into it at all.

[Stockalone]

I think men's fantasy's say alot about what they really want and it's clear from the industry what men want. And since the porn industry is filled with a caricture of a woman, not what real women are about. It's sucky as a woman to see that. Porn isn't about celebrating women in their indivudual sexuality. It's about conforming to an over the top stereotype about what women should be to be sexy and attractive and fun. Most men don't have to sit through a porn where the guy is 18, with fake body parts, makes tons of money, is this perfect ideal male playmate while their partner sits there giggling like a school girl rubbing one out. You know how many women have done that in return for their male partner? It just blows.

 

I don't understand the bolded part. Could you please try to explain it to me in a different way?

 

As far as fake and 18 years old is concerned. A skinny teenager with two balloon-sized implants is not attractive to me. I prefer women around my own age (30) with some meat on their bones. Granted, I am a breast man, but I already was one before I watched porn and I prefer them real.

 

Regarding the fantasy. I am sure you can draw conclusions based on a man's fantasy. The thing is, fantasies are different from man to man. There is so much different porn.

 

 

Porn doen't play into what you question about yourself as a man.

 

The guys in porn have a big d*cks. I don't. Like that didn't bother me...

 

 

It plays up all those questions because all the men in porn always deliver, never have ED issues, are masters of the bedroom and always make the woman cum. It does plays into all those things women questiong inherently about themselves. But somehow women are suppose to rise above it? While men cater to it? It's beyond frustrating, the double standards and lack of concern. Not celebrating women for who they are but wanting them to conform to an industry standard of sexuality.

 

As I said, I believe that porn is a masturbation tool. Which means I am alone, there is no real woman around that loves me and that I could give pleasure to. The woman is taken out of the equation, simply because there is no woman around so what is left is me. Hence, porn concentrates on and in many cases is reduced to catering to the man's arousal.

 

And no ED issues, making the woman cum, etc. is a fantasy. In reality, the woman fakes the orgasm for the camera and if the guy can't keep it up, they cut that part and don't show it in the movie. In a perfect world, I would never come too soon, I would make my woman orgasm every time. Aren't fantasies supposed to be positive?

 

That doesn't mean that I have forgotten that porn isn't how things are in the real world, nor is the fantasy better. They are simply different things.

 

 

And alot of men sure do seem to want to make porn real life somtimes at least! Because alot of men do ask their partners to do things, wear things or think it's a compliment when a woman acts more "porn-starish". So no, it's not just fantasy. There is a huge difference between a regular movie and a porn movie. The fact that porn movies make more money then regular movies is pretty telling.

 

I can only speak for myself here, but I don't want a gf to act "porn-starish".

 

 

Well, honestly I do firmly believe that part of porn's allure is that it does make men feel like men. I think men have an emotional resposne to porn. How can they not right? In the old days, it was just a Playboy. Today there are so many things you have to compete against as a woman and you can't even come home at the end of the day and have a safe outlet with yoru man because he just might be another one of the people bringing in the outside world that you have to keep on trudging after. As a woman I try very hard to fight the *ideals* about what a woman's body should be but when the men in your life buy into those very ideals, it is damn tough. You're your own island. He isn't on your side.

 

And men have no standards to meet? LOL. Come on, sometimes women are hard to please too.

 

What makes a man a man? There is no clear-cut answer anymore. Certainly not an universal one.

 

And for a woman to believe that her partner isn't on her side is very sad. I wouldn't stay in a relationship where I wasn't sure that my gf has my back.

 

 

I think porn does more harm then good. And it's a fact that porn has become more graphic and intense with the boom of the internet. There are alot of young boys growing up on porn that isn't just his dad's Playboy and I greatly fear the affect it has on boys and girls alike.

 

In general, I agree with you. The thing is, the porn I watch is basically what used to be my fantasy as a teenager long before I ever watched porn or had sex. One woman and one man. No name-calling, no rough treatment. It's fairly innocent, or at least I think so.

 

I wouldn't be devastated if there would be no more porn. My fantasy would be played out again in my mind like it used to be and still is about half the time. The reason why I replied to your posts was because I didn't think that your assumption about why men view porn was accurate.

 

I do not believe that all men want porn to have an escape from reality to live out their misogynistic fantasy where women are nothing but willing holes and can be called sl*ts, wh*res or b*tches.

 

But if you are convinced that this is indeed the reason why men watch porn, I don't blame you. Porn is an individual preference. We all draw the line somewhere.

 

I think that is the main reason why I never watched porn when I had a relationship. I had an actual, flesh and blood woman that I loved. There was no need for a fantasy then, the fantasy got replaced by my gf. And the real thing was much more satisfying in all aspects. I am also very possessive, that might be a factor too.

 

 

I am sure most men do consider it harmless because porn cater's to male desires and needs foremost. It's easy for you to sit there and say that.

 

I agree and I tried to address this in my posts above.

 

 

Well, I have heard enough arguments where men claim they don't care about porn when it's evident by the high emotional response and arguments that men obviously do. I don't claim that I don't care about porn because I do. I don't think it's normal to have the amount of men we do today sitting infront of their computers interacting with their hand and computer screen then a real woman. But as long as he throws the real woman scraps of attention it's okay to use her and the porn interchangabley I guess.

 

I don't think that is okay. Not at all.

 

But frankly, it's the womens job to do something about that. Why would you keep accepting scraps of attention?

 

How many men do you think are actually sitting in front of their computer instead of interacting with a real woman?

 

Maybe a tiny fraction of the men in a relationship prefer porn over their SO. I am fairly certain that the vast majority of men who are in a relationship prefer to interact with their SO.

 

And as far as sinlge men like myself are concerned. It doesn't really matter since there is no SO, don't you think?

[Stockalone]

she was incapable of seeing it from a rational perspective.

 

This rational perspective you are talking about is your own perspective. It isn't the only valid way to evaluate things.

[missdependant]

All this talk about porn is making me want to WATCH some porn. Bye guys!

[Sam Spade]

I caught my girlfriend reading a romance novel. I'm dumping that ho .

[carhill]

Such pornographic thoughts! Flagellate her with one thousand feathers

[normal]

I caught my girlfriend reading a romance novel. I'm dumping that ho .

 

Oh man, 95% of women read trashy romance novels or will read one at least once in their life, I bet!

 

Good call in bringing this up...

They really AREN'T that much different.

 

Just one is used to stimulate visually.

The other mentally.

I'm not gonna lie, I think trashy romances are MORE of a turn on than porn.

I don't really pay attention to the story though...I usually skip to the sex!

Kind of the same as my porn though...I skip all the crap at the beginning getting to know the girl, and go straight for the sexiest scene.

Maybe I'm just weird, hahahaha.

 

 

<3 Porn!

[Sam Spade]

Such pornographic thoughts! Flagellate her with one thousand feathers

 

Dad is always out there for me . I just *had* to send her a text message with the thus worded threat . Without proper attribution and citation though .