carhill Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 In the interest of preserving the human race, I suggest we ban international marriage. And plane travel and the internet. Let's nip this in the bud. I wanna live Link to post Share on other sites
samspade Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 She's not the only gal in the world outside of the US. If you don't think there are gals (or guys) who use people like that, then you're the ignorant - or perhaps naive - one. Nah, you're right, and I know they're out there. But I was trying to prove that THEY'RE (the gold diggers) aren't the only girls in Latin America, either. They prey on men who actually can't get women in the states - middle-aged losers with enough money and desperation to fly down there and move them here. But MissConduct seems bent on demonizing the entire female population in the developing world as whoring, gringo-hunting charlatans. I met my girlfriend there the same way I meet women here, by approaching her and having the balls to make the right moves. She didn't and doesn't need me any more than I need her, which is probably the strongest way to enter into a relationship with someone. We're together because we want to be. Look, I think to date women in America, you need a certain type of game (for lack of a better word - I can already picture the self-righteous and reactionary posts to that little word) and skill. In other countries, you need different game and skill. The way a woman (even an educated and well-off woman) approaches sex in, say, Brazil is much different than it is here. It doesn't carry with it the same set of prerequisites that it does for an American girl. To us, that may seem like she is "easy." In reality, it still takes charm, skill, and personality to seduce her. The difference is the timetable. Remember, attraction is subconsciously instantaneous; it's what you do after that determines whether you will "lose" that potential partner. Her standards are still in stark contrast to a poor gringo-hunter who is looking for an American wallet. Chances are a woman like that is already getting paid for sex, or at least has in the past. For her, getting that green card is far more important than the man she has to repeatedly ***k to get it. It's a straight up monetary transaction, and the pathetic men usually fool themselves into thinking these Maria Passaportes are in love with them because that's how they behave. These dopes are just a few years away from divorce and losing half their sh*t to a woman just so they could have a pretty young thing on their arms at their 20-year reunion. So, in conclusion, to take the attitude that they're ALL just putting on a sex kitten act to seduce an unsuspecting, rich gringo is complete and utter b.s. Not all latin women care that much about moving here, and not all American guys are interested in going through the hassle of getting them here. If you're going to make such sweeping statements, you might as well apply them to all women. Link to post Share on other sites
MissConduct Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 She's being an adult for being direct about sex. There's no prudery or snobbishness. We're adults, we have sex, why should we make a big deal about it? The reason why me and the rest of the "loser guys" don't agree with the sentiment that it's wrong for a woman to have sex on the first date. She's no being "easy". The whole "easy" argument is just something ice queens invented to compensate for their prudery and it stuck so well it's become the popular ideal in this country. It's the wrong way of thinking. Yeah yeah ok so because I don't want to sleep with every man I meet on the first meeting that must make me a cold bitch with tons of mental issues! That's hilarious! I should just spread my legs to every man I meet to gain his respect and be considered normal easy going and exciting and not a prude! You are funny, really funny! I don't sleep with every man I meet and spread'em on first meeting because I would have a crotch the size of a cooking pot it I did. Ever think that women get approached a lot and in reverse because men have to work for it they don't run the same risks in terms of sexually transmitted diseases, women could be far more susceptible since it is relatively easier for us to be less selective and sleep with men. But moreso than that it creates emotional and spiritual emptiness to be having sex with men who you have no sort of emotional foundation built with. But of course you wouldn't understand that since you have made it very clear your main goal in life is a meat glove for your pecker. And yes, I've talked about her personality also. I talked about culture and history and we had an engaging conversation. Ooooh wow you had an "engaging conversation" do you know how many times a day I have engaging conversations with men I could find attractive? If that is your whole premise and foundation for sexuality how would we even get any work down, how would our world even function if women had sex with every man they had an "engaging conversation" with? How many men on this forum can say they can walk up to a girl in America, talk about culture and score a date within 24 hours? More than you think. How many men do you think are actually doing that instead of hiding behind some internet profile or wiaiting for Miss December to come knocking at his door? In Europe men approach women left and right women EXPECT that. So if you want to meet anyone there you HAVE to step up to the plate or you will never get ahead in romance, men don't waste time in Europe and women expect that. Most likely none. You know the reason why men use pickup lines, because women in this country always want to be entertained. They want to talk about shopping, gossip, and T.V. Talking about history is boring to them, because they don't watch the history channel. First of all where do you meet women in NA at a Hannah Montana concert? I don't know any intelligent mature woman who will not want to talk about all sorts of subjects with a man when she meets him. The gall of American women to actually want to "get to know the man on a more emotional level" What demanding BITCHES we are!!! No, no, I know!! You are right we should just walk around with tight jumpsuits on with holes cut out of our crotches and men should just walk up to us feel out our boobs and stick it in us without as much as a hello exchange while we listen to him in glee recite back chapters of Guns Germs and Steel! Link to post Share on other sites
IrishCarBomb Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 And plane travel and the internet. Let's nip this in the bud. I wanna live Carhill in 2012! I can see it already!! Link to post Share on other sites
samspade Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 She met her current husband married him quickly so she could stay in the country. That was a stupid reason to get married, in my opinion, and he was a fool for agreeing to it. She does not work but her standards are still very high in terms of what she expects out of life even though she cannot work. Her reasoning is that in Venezuela it is a shame to not have fine things in life. She has driven her husband to the ground, they just bought a million dollar house which they cannot afford, have two cars a Bmer and an SUV he works 24/7 and every time we see him at get togethers he looks like a shell of what he was. Then I think the husband sounds like a real fool. (Perhaps we are in agreement?) He has himself to blame. Why would anyone marry someone like that? My Colombian friend same thing. She has a career and intially had a job that payed three times of what her husband (then boyfriend) was making but after they got married she decided to give up her career to open up her own business. But in order to this her husband works two jobs and she has her own business which she goes to a few days a week but most the time she spends her time at spas and getting pampered or going back to Colombia to visit her family while her husband works like a fool to make ends meet. They are up to their eyeballs in debt and just bought a home at a very trendy part of town because since she has her own business she can't "not be living in a place that says we made it". I see how ambitious these women are, ambitious in terms of what they want from their partners, and it makes me feel like I am and angel to my man in comparisson. Again, her family is from the upper echelons of Colombia and this is typical the man MUST provide for the woman, end of story. I see what you are saying - you think he got hoodwinked. I have a hard time believing that she exhibited NONE of this prima donna lifestyle preference while he was dating her, and if she didn't, they got married too soon. Again, a large part of the fault lies with the husband for not being patient and waiting to see if she was really for him. In any case, you've presented a great case against marriage; had they just remained a couple, he wouldn't be in this financial mess and she would still be working that job instead of driving the two of them into the ground. In these cases, it sounds like the guy married too soon, probably to keep her in the country. BAD idea. But you can't just blame the females, manipulative as they may have been. A man should always consider the investment he is making if he gets married, and everything he stands to lose. Both of these men sound like complete chumps. Granted these are a only a few examples but I in talking to these women apparently this is how they were brought up to think culturally. There are women who grow up thinking that way right here in the United States. Men do well to avoid spoiled brats in ANY country. Link to post Share on other sites
MissConduct Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 But MissConduct seems bent on demonizing the entire female population in the developing world as whoring, gringo-hunting charlatans. I met my girlfriend there the same way I meet women here, by approaching her and having the balls to make the right moves. She didn't and doesn't need me any more than I need her, which is probably the strongest way to enter into a relationship with someone. We're together because we want to be. . My extreme stance in no more ridiculous than the stance of men like you who claim there are no good women left in America and therefore you must look at BETTER women outside of North America. I think my point is made. It's ok for you to make that statement and paint all American women with one wide stroke of a brush but when someone offers a differing view on the women you are peddling for, you cry gender demonization? Do you actually read what you write? Link to post Share on other sites
MissConduct Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I see what you are saying - you think he got hoodwinked. I have a hard time believing that she exhibited NONE of this prima donna lifestyle preference while he was dating her, and if she didn't, they got married too soon. Ahh yeah ok if you call 8 yrs of dating too soon! Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Another point you might want to consider regarding the relative ease with which German/Euro women go to bed with a man is that there could potentially be a higher incidence of cheating that comes along with that light and casual attitude. I knew this American guy doing a PhD program in Germany who slept with dozens of bored Euro stay-at-home wives/mothers. He said it was like shooting fish in a barrel -- way easier than gettin' some in the States. Yeah of course Some of you are older and wiser, but there are young girls who will be influenced that its a desirable trait to be a slut by a thread like this Its not. Men don't trust sluts and for good reasons Link to post Share on other sites
MissConduct Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 There are women who grow up thinking that way right here in the United States. Men do well to avoid spoiled brats in ANY country. There are women who think like that all over the world but women that come from 2nd and 3rd world countries are more inclined to be like that because they grew up with poverty surrounding them but the HUGE American captialist way of life being bombarded throught their local marketing at them. What do you think this does in terms of their ambitions and hopes for a future? Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Carhill in 2012! I can see it already!! Nah, I'll be dead already. Killed by an American woman, slowly Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Some of you men sound like pathetic children Man up for Christ sakes My fathers generation would have smacked you Link to post Share on other sites
calazhage Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 St. Nick, you raised another good point.. Intelligent conversation.. So many American women give the excuse of "intelligence is important" when what they really want is a guy with money.. I am being 100% honest when I say German women BLOW AWAY American women when it comes to intellectual conversation. You can talk about history, the Cosmos, politics, etc. One logical reason might be that they do not watch much TV. How many American women can you talk to about history? To be fair, American women can hold a better convo about Survivor, American idol, Oprah, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
samspade Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 My extreme stance in no more ridiculous than the stance of men like you who claim there are no good women left in America and therefore you must look at BETTER women outside of North America. I think my point is made. That is an absolute statement that I don't believe and wouldn't make. Different, yes. Better, not necessarily. I was just saying earlier that men in the US who can't get laid need to change their game or stop bitching about it. And 8 years, the guy should still have known better. A lot of men get hoodwinked because their ego does not listen to their subconscious. He obviously was blind to her red flags. The sad truth is that a lot of guys can't see the forest for the trees, which is why you ALWAYS have to respect yourself first. It's also a great reason not to get married unless you really know what kind of a person you have. Sounds like he was clueless. Link to post Share on other sites
MissConduct Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Nah, I'll be dead already. Killed by an American woman, slowly Well we all have to die of something.... Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 St. Nick, you raised another good point.. Intelligent conversation.. So many American women give the excuse of "intelligence is important" when what they really want is a guy with money.. I am being 100% honest when I say German women BLOW AWAY American women when it comes to intellectual conversation. You can talk about history, the Cosmos, politics, etc. One logical reason might be that they do not watch much TV. How many American women can you talk to about history? To be fair, American women can hold a better convo about Survivor, American idol, Oprah, etc.Ill concede this point, but thats different than saying they have sex with you on the first date and that makes them better Also this is Europe South American girls are generally not so well educated...sorry if that offends anyone but thats the way it really is Link to post Share on other sites
DMoon Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Wow. Well, just adding my little tip to the thread. If you American girls don't mind your men being rather shy and slightly lacking on confidence and suaveness, you might want to give the guys in my country (somewhere in Southeast Asia) a shot. They expect to be the ones paying on dates all the time, they don't expect to be given sex for a long long time, and they generally try to pander to your whims and pamper you as much as they can. To hell with the American men who act like the OP! Actually there is some truth to what you just mentioned. I work around a lot of East Asians, East Indians and live around South East Asians like Vietnamese and Cambodians and the men certainly do the heavily lifting in dating. They initiate the courtship, pay for dates, etc. Grant it they may be first or second generation and they may be more likely to marry within their culture but even a lot of the Americanized ones tend to stick with their own and although these guys may groan about it, they grin and bear it and of course none of the women are complaining since they feel that they are entitled to being treated like “princesses”. And I am actually surprised that IR rates between White women and Asian men aren’t as high as it is for White men with Asian women. East Asian men typically have professional jobs, with the high salary and general courtliness and will often pay for everything since they have disposable cash then the average to be somewhat generously lavish. Obviously there are exceptions. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Well we all have to die of something.... Men, something needs your attention....I hate it when I post things like I did, in jest... http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2146876&postcount=1007 How about some support here....? Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I am originally from Europe, moved to the US 8 years ago. And yes, I really don't like american women . Less pretty, less feminine, less sophisticated, less composed, less anything. But, more entitled and more demanding for sure. There are nice people everywhere for sure, but overall the dating landscape here in the US is nothing to write home about. lf it wasn't for the flexible labor markets, low taxes, and the availability of women from other cultures I would have moved back across the pond . Link to post Share on other sites
allina Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Ok, and most American men have zero manners, huge beer guts, can't find a clitoris to save their life and don't know a thing about about the world outside of their narrow, local bubble, what's your point? A guy like that can't complain about taking his date to TGI Friday's for some chicken wings Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Ok, and most American men have zero manners, huge beer guts, can't find a clitoris to save their life and don't know a thing about about the world outside of their narrow, local bubble, what's your point? A guy like that can't complain about taking his date to TGI Friday's for some chicken wings See I like th fact that American women aren't afraid to say f*ck you Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Oh, here we go, another "American women suck" thread. So you struck out with the ladies. Why is that? You can come on to LS and write about what shallow biatches we are. How we all have impossible standards. You can say whatever you want. In fact, that is why you started this thread. You wanted to "stick it" to us. Feel better now? Have you ever considered that there is something within yourself that you can, or maybe should change? Even if that means changing the type of woman you go for? You say European women are better. Great. So why don't you start trying to meet those women and trying your luck? Or what about moving to Europe? Quit complaining and solve your problem. Link to post Share on other sites
DMoon Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I am originally from Europe, moved to the US 8 years ago. And yes, I really don't like american women . Less pretty, less feminine, less sophisticated, less composed, less anything. But, more entitled and more demanding for sure. There are nice people everywhere for sure, but overall the dating landscape here in the US is nothing to write home about. lf it wasn't for the flexible labor markets, low taxes, and the availability of women from other cultures I would have moved back across the pond . Obviously the American male counterpart is exempt from your loathsomely vile generalization. How do you manage to endure being surrounded by such offensive female troglodytes since American women are hideous knuckle dragging hags? And posters here are idealizing foreign born Men. Link to post Share on other sites
Jake Barnes Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I will say in my experience Scottish chicks are pretty cool Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 We're upfront about it, we don't sell you on the submissive sex kitten act only to find later after marriage we are not like that at all. We ARE sex kittens but we set standards before we deliver, we don't have a need to "entrap" because the difference is that we can take or leave a successful man because we focus on finding our own success, unlike a lot of South American women who focus on looking like a barbie doll to entrap a man. That is their only purpose in life. Life is better in two's with someone of equal value in all respects but we are not driven by this need to escape our social surroundings. We can survive on our own they can't so they will do what it takes to entrap a man, if you like being fooled into love then good for you. I grew up in a poor EU country (former eastern bloc), where in the late 1980s the conditions were no better than some current trouble spots in South America. The sweet, composed and prideful women I grew up with in those conditions would have slapped your unworldly, arrogant american azz to the airport pronto for such words . (Oh, and by the way, many an american guys looking for dates were down on approach for the same reason (head in azz), regardless of thei astronomical for our country middle class salaries.). Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom 35 Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Some of you men sound like pathetic children Man up for Christ sakes My fathers generation would have smacked you Hello...yes. Link to post Share on other sites
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