Should American men stop dating American women?

[MissConduct]

@mr dream merchant

 

Let me ask you something, would you go out of your way to remember the woman that you love's birthday or would you go out of your way to forget it? Why or why not? And what about mother's day for your mom or father's day for your dad?

[mr.dream merchant]

@mr dream merchant

 

Let me ask you something, would you go out of your way to remember the woman that you love's birthday or would you go out of your way to forget it? Why or why not?

 

I would never go out of my way to forget an important/special occasion for her. The only way I could is if I'm totally swamped. And it wouldn't be me forgetting but me kind of not being able to do all the things she'd hope for because I'm busy.

[CandyGirlXO]

Aren't you the woman who was attacking other posters for writing that they prefer foreign women over American women? You apparently also prefer foreigners!

 

 

Ummm she is making a joke about how retarded that sounds.

[MissConduct]

I would never go out of my way to forget an important/special occasion for her. The only way I could is if I'm totally swamped. And it wouldn't be me forgetting but me kind of not being able to do all the things she'd hope for because I'm busy.

 

Please dream, no one is "that" busy that they "forget" a special occasion. Give me one example where you have been so busy you forgot mother's day. Or you forgot a loved one's birthday? And even if you can come up with one example I bet you made up for it the next time you could.

 

Sure you can look at it as they are "silly holidays" that are stipulated by society, but they are holidays that are nonetheless there to celebrate a special occasion be it the love of a person that means everything to you in your life or a historical act. Mother's day does just that, fathers days and Valentine's day does all those things. I mean if we are going to take for granted all holidays why not go in to work anyway on Labor day, or Independence day or any of the "silly" national holidays? Do you really have to miss work just because your country declared Independence from Great Britain back in the day?

 

Would you be pissed if your boss said to you "oh 4th of July we are all working, I was too busy to make sure my staff had the day off, sorry!" I would be! On the contrary just putting something fake out on Valentines and mistreating your woman the rest of the time is just as bad so don't even bother.

 

As a man fighting Valentines with "it's a dumb day and I don't want to cater to it" makes him sound stupid. It makes him sound immature and quite frankly so self centered that he cannot part with his own selfish needs for one measly day to celebrate the love he has for his partner. I'd be embarrassed as a guy to complain about that, especially since the woman is going to be right there treating him back to something special as well. It's not even a one sided gesture.

[mr.dream merchant]

Please dream, no one is "that" busy that they "forget" a special occasion. Give me one example where you have been so busy you forgot mother's day. Or you forgot a loved one's birthday? And even if you can come up with one example I bet you made up for it the next time you could.

 

Sure you can look at it as they are "silly holidays" that are stipulated by society, but they are holidays that are nonetheless there to celebrate a special occasion be it the love of a person that means everything to you in your life or a historical act. Mother's day does just that, fathers days and Valentine's day does all those things. I mean if we are going to take for granted all holidays why not go in to work anyway on Labor day, or Independence day or any of the "silly" national holidays? Do you really have to miss work just because your country declared Independence from Great Britain back in the day?

 

Would you be pissed if your boss said to you "oh 4th of July we are all working, I was too busy to make sure my staff had the day off, sorry!" I would be! On the contrary just putting something fake out on Valentines and mistreating your woman the rest of the time is just as bad so don't even bother.

 

As a man fighting Valentines with "it's a dumb day and I don't want to cater to it" makes him sound stupid. It makes him sound immature and quite frankly so self centered that he cannot part with his own selfish needs for one measly day to celebrate the love he has for his partner. I'd be embarrassed as a guy to complain about that, especially since the woman is going to be right there treating him back to something special as well. It's not even a one sided gesture.

 

Well like I said in my post answering your question, it wouldn't be the case of forgetting. It would be the case of me being so swamped that we wouldn't be able to do everything she'd hope for. Valentine's day isn't dumb at all. But in light of other important dates/occasion's, I doubt Valentine's Day is so high up that one would leave their SO because they were lackluster during Valentine's Day. And it certainly wouldn't make them selfish/useless/plagueish. Who's complaining about Valentine's Day anyways? All I saw was Sam Spade restating one particularly outspoken female who may have a bit of an entitlement complex.

[lino]

If character mattered to women why do you see so many utter scumbags who practically have women fighting over them?

 

Yeah, funny that.

I don't think i've ever known of a drug dealer or man with a very violent lifestyle who had woman troubles

 

American women should only date Australian Men. They know how to treat a woman like a woman.

That's fine by me

[MissConduct]

Well like I said in my post answering your question, it wouldn't be the case of forgetting. It would be the case of me being so swamped that we wouldn't be able to do everything she'd hope for. Valentine's day isn't dumb at all. But in light of other important dates/occasion's, I doubt Valentine's Day is so high up that one would leave their SO because they were lackluster during Valentine's Day. And it certainly wouldn't make them selfish/useless/plagueish. Who's complaining about Valentine's Day anyways? All I saw was Sam Spade restating one particularly outspoken female who may have a bit of an entitlement complex.

 

 

Oh well then we are totally getting our cables crossed here.

At least you are reasonable in this respect.

 

 

Going back to Sam's silly complaing it didn't specify that the woman expected some "elaborate plan", she just wanted a card a chocolate and foot massage for goodness sake. WOW imagine the goldigging bitch!

 

It makes a person sound stupid to even complain about that. If there is ONE day were we feel entitled to being shown that we are loved it is on V day BIG DEAL! And this is considered an American woman nightmare?

 

So of course if you are too busy to do something elaborate you shouldn't ever feel obliged to do something extravagant. Only a bitchy princess expects a travelling circus as token of appreciation. It's not about the big event it is about knowing that the person you love remembered and picked you up a nice card with something heartfelt written inside it and a flower or a single little chocolate tied with a bow, I don't know.... anything that says "I want to show you I love you."

[carhill]

Face it; negative behaviors from males get far more attention from women than positive behaviors. One hen in the crowd has Mr. Wonderful and gushes about him making her BD or VD so special and the rest grouse about the aholes they married. Pretty soon she's biotching along with the rest of them and Mr. Wonderful is long forgotten, even when she gets home. In fact, she'll unload a period on him about how all men are aholes and should be shot, as she's still wound up from the negative behavior redux high.

 

That's reality. I've lived it

 

The guys who create the drama and forget the important days and cause all the biotching garner the p*ssy.

 

MDM, I'll try the "swamped" idea. Sounds good

[Jersey Shortie]

Yeah but Aussie accents are so goofy. I don't think I could listen to that all day long.



 

Oh no no no ..I LOVE their accents. I am a little partial though due to a good Australian man I know.

 

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Well let's not take what I said out of context, which is pertaining to this thread. The OP's concern isn't men. He never once brought up men. So why place words in his and I's mouth?

 

It doesn't matter that the OP's first concern isn't men. We can still discuss the other side of it. Overall, cop out response. You rather attack and make low blow comments then really discuss the real issue. You talk about my bitterness but your posts are FILLED with bitterness. At least I am older then you. I never heard of a 20 year old so bitter.

 

 

Forming a post made of angry assumptions gets you nowhere Jersey.

 

No it doesn't. Thankfully, myself and most posters her are able to have an exchange about realities and perceptions and situations. Something you clearly are unable to do since you rather attack the tone of my posts then the topic of discuss. Anytime some resorts to that, it's obvious they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

I wasn't saying you MUST be ugly, I was asking if that's maybe your case for being bitter.

 

You certainly hinted that at that being the reason for some of my hurts. You took things I discussed on this board that you know where soft spots and used it against me. Don't back track after you walked right into the quick sand Mr. Dream. It only makes you sink further.

 

 

 

Like I said before, stop putting words in people's mouth. All of your argumentative rebuttals hold no ground because they're all assumptions

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They are my opinons based on my life experience. Just as you have your opinons based on yours. Until I see you site every comment you make with scientific research, I think we can both see the silliness in this comment of yours.

 

 

If you would READ what I typed without covering it in your aura of miserable hatred for men...

 

Just so we are clear, it's okay for you to make assumptions I guess since the above comment is nothing but your assumption.

 

Yeah my GF is hot, who the **** cares. I didn't say people need to stop being heavy on looks. Looks is what sparks that initial attraction. But people often ruin good things because they're so caught up in these media pressed expectations and standards of the opposite sex. It applies to both sexes.

 

I just personally find your opinons very hypocritical. You go on and on about how happy you are that your girlfriend wants to take herself out of a situation with working with other men and how happy/proud that made you. Yet you go on on and about how you would go see strippers. Double standards much Mr. Dream? You want a woman to like you for who you are but more the several times you bragged about how hot your girlfriend is. Please don't back peddle now.

 

Everytime a guy expresses his taste for this type of girl over another here you come curling up on the floor, spewing forth all kinds of feminist man hating bull**** as if Hulk Hogan decked the **** out of you and left a "Bitches Aint ****" indent on your forehead

 

Wow, that was a very pyscho comment. Quite scary.

 

Ironic that you tell me that I spew man hating bullcrap yet you are the one running around this board calling women bitches. Please look in the mirror about your own hatefull disgracefull comments and feelings about women. You clearly hate women and clearly don't have respect for them.

 

 

 

And if you were really hard pressed about defending women you'd get on these female posters about calling chicks sluts like you've done in the past to male posters. But you're not. You're just the resident man hater of Loveshack that I had the misfortune of even interacting with. And you wonder why homeboy ducked you.

 

Again, proving that you believe your assumptions are warrented as fact and yet others aren't allowed to tdraw their own assumptions. Funny that. You're hypocritical opinons carry through all across the spectrum. You clearly have little concern for women or what they want or need. You clearly only care about yourself. You are one bitter young man. You are the resident woman hater. I feel sorry for you being so young. When I was your age, I was not that bitter. And I still clearly have more respect for men then you clearly have for women. YOu're immaturity shines through at the way you decide to talk to me and use the personal experiences I shared here against me. At least I don't throw the serious post you posted about your girlfriend troubles in your face. Says something about the kind of "man" you are.

 

All and all Mr.Dream. Your post amounted to nothing but low blow jabs and personal attacks at me. It's quite disgracefull actually that you feel okay making the amount of assumptions you did about me and spewing your venom.

 

 

Ummm she is making a joke about how retarded that sounds.

 

Thanks for picking up on my sarcasm

[You'reasian]

You think men are placing a preium on a woman's character right off the bat? No, they want the hottie that sparks attraction in them. Men don't base their partner preferences any more logically or selflessly then women. .

 

I never said they did. Dating is about the attraction, hotness etc - but don't complain that there aren't any nice guys out there when the sole reason for dating is hotness, attraction etc.

 

I'm cute but apparently I don't spark that crazy lust men feel for wanting to go out with a woman again.

 

Cause you're playing the dating game lol - not the relationship one.

[You'reasian]

Bottom line!

 

 

The whiny message is "women don't care about a man's character they only want chemistry to initially date a man" Then when they speak of their own experiences they list off the most trite qualities for selecting a date. The character of the woman is never factored into the process and in some cases the very poor character of a woman is even overlooked for a chance of one date with her because she looked good enough.

 

But of course WE are the superficial ones.

 

 

All you single whiny men out there complaining women don't care about your good character go date the little chubby girl or the little average ugly girl next door who has a GREAT character, if you should only base your dating on character alone. There are millions of women who fit the bill, what are you waiting for?

 

This entire conversation is stupid, as a guy making some of the ridiculous comments on this thread I don't know how you can even take yourselves seriously when you are so two faced in your approach to dating. I hope you don't expect us to take you seriously. :lmao:

 

I've dated both the little chubby girl and the average girl. Had a few nice dates, saw a movie, but they weren't ready to date - just weren't feelin' it. The average girl ended up marrying a guy 11 years younger.

 

I've gone for character over attraction. The average and chubby girls don't date and more often than not, aren't sure what they want.

 

Met a smokin' hot, cool, attractive girl by sheer accident and she lasted longer than both of the previous girls combined in terms of chemistry and reciprocated interest. Really decent person too.

 

I'm single. I'm not complainin' - just sayin'.

[You'reasian]

American women should only date Australian Men. They know how to treat a woman like a woman.

 

I don't see a problem with that.

[mr.dream merchant]



 

Oh no no no ..I LOVE their accents. I am a little partial though due to a good Australian man I know.

 

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It doesn't matter that the OP's first concern isn't men. We can still discuss the other side of it. Overall, cop out response. You rather attack and make low blow comments then really discuss the real issue. You talk about my bitterness but your posts are FILLED with bitterness. At least I am older then you. I never heard of a 20 year old so bitter.

 

 

 

 

No it doesn't. Thankfully, myself and most posters her are able to have an exchange about realities and perceptions and situations. Something you clearly are unable to do since you rather attack the tone of my posts then the topic of discuss. Anytime some resorts to that, it's obvious they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

 

 

You certainly hinted that at that being the reason for some of my hurts. You took things I discussed on this board that you know where soft spots and used it against me. Don't back track after you walked right into the quick sand Mr. Dream. It only makes you sink further.

 

 

 

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They are my opinons based on my life experience. Just as you have your opinons based on yours. Until I see you site every comment you make with scientific research, I think we can both see the silliness in this comment of yours.

 

 

 

 

Just so we are clear, it's okay for you to make assumptions I guess since the above comment is nothing but your assumption.

 

 

 

I just personally find your opinons very hypocritical. You go on and on about how happy you are that your girlfriend wants to take herself out of a situation with working with other men and how happy/proud that made you. Yet you go on on and about how you would go see strippers. Double standards much Mr. Dream? You want a woman to like you for who you are but more the several times you bragged about how hot your girlfriend is. Please don't back peddle now.

 

 

 

Wow, that was a very pyscho comment. Quite scary.

 

Ironic that you tell me that I spew man hating bullcrap yet you are the one running around this board calling women bitches. Please look in the mirror about your own hatefull disgracefull comments and feelings about women. You clearly hate women and clearly don't have respect for them.

 

 

 

 

 

Again, proving that you believe your assumptions are warrented as fact and yet others aren't allowed to tdraw their own assumptions. Funny that. You're hypocritical opinons carry through all across the spectrum. You clearly have little concern for women or what they want or need. You clearly only care about yourself. You are one bitter young man. You are the resident woman hater. I feel sorry for you being so young. When I was your age, I was not that bitter. And I still clearly have more respect for men then you clearly have for women. YOu're immaturity shines through at the way you decide to talk to me and use the personal experiences I shared here against me. At least I don't throw the serious post you posted about your girlfriend troubles in your face. Says something about the kind of "man" you are.

 

All and all Mr.Dream. Your post amounted to nothing but low blow jabs and personal attacks at me. It's quite disgracefull actually that you feel okay making the amount of assumptions you did about me and spewing your venom.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for picking up on my sarcasm

 

Get a job on FOX News.

[Woggle]

Face it; negative behaviors from males get far more attention from women than positive behaviors. One hen in the crowd has Mr. Wonderful and gushes about him making her BD or VD so special and the rest grouse about the aholes they married. Pretty soon she's biotching along with the rest of them and Mr. Wonderful is long forgotten, even when she gets home. In fact, she'll unload a period on him about how all men are aholes and should be shot, as she's still wound up from the negative behavior redux high.

 

That's reality. I've lived it

 

The guys who create the drama and forget the important days and cause all the biotching garner the p*ssy.

 

MDM, I'll try the "swamped" idea. Sounds good

 

 

Yup. No good a man does ever gets noticed but best believe that the slightest little infraction will be blown up and thrown in your face 8 years

later. I agree that misandry is contagious as well. You get a bunch of women together and the bile and resentment just come pouring out.

[clv0116]

If there is ONE day were we feel entitled to being shown that we are loved it is on V day BIG DEAL! And this is considered an American woman nightmare?

 

Would you rather have a man think of you and get you a token of his appreciation and love on some random day, or because the calendar said so?

[Woggle]

I usually but my wife something on Valentines Day but I will never understand women's obsession with days? I am not a big fan of holidays anyway. Guys if you want to see the most pathetic site in the world go to any retail store the night before Valentines. It is one of the saddest things ever to watch these men scramble to pick up a gift so they don't end up in the doghouse. They all have that whipped look in their eye.

[carhill]

Designated days and random days and don't believe the "I don't want anything, it's just another day" line

[donnamaybe]

Guys just need to stop letting pretty females wear the pants. .

 

You mean like you do in YOUR relationship?

[Jersey Shortie]

I never said they did. Dating is about the attraction, hotness etc - but don't complain that there aren't any nice guys out there when the sole reason for dating is hotness, attraction etc.

 

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here to be honest.

 

The fact remains that the guys on here whine about how women want this or that, but then make statements that illustrate they obviously what a hot woman. It's vainly hypocritical. You want a woman to like you for *you*, not worry about the lack of or the huge amount of money you make. Yet you want to have the right to judge women on something like looks and defend it. I have no issues with a man wanting someone he is attracted to. I hope most men would. But so what if a women likes a guy that has a nice job?

 

Sorry guys, but you have to bring something to the table. And you really just re-evaulate yourselves and how you choose mates and stop condemning women for how they do. You want to whine about what a nice guy you are and how good you would treat a woman but how women just don't pick you because they are shallow and "currupt" and "wrong". WRONG. Don't pretend that your shallow desires are any more justified then a woman's could be.

 

Cause you're playing the dating game lol - not the relationship one.

 

I don't need it explained to me dude. Again, my point is that men are no less selfless. I just don't think the men here care about that though. They want to whine and complain about how bad women are, want women to like them for *then*, yet don't want to take their own stock about what they put out there themselves.

 

 

 

Met a smokin' hot, cool, attractive girl by sheer accident and she lasted longer than both of the previous girls combined in terms of chemistry and reciprocated interest. Really decent person too.

 

I'm single. I'm not complainin' - just sayin'.

 

Yes, all single smokin' hot women are so much more collected and better then average or chubby girls. Men that make over 1k are much better lovers, kinder, handsomer then men that do't as well. Excellent. Glad we established that.

 

Mr. dream:

Get a job on FOX News.

 

Get on on CNN..their information is almost always faulty and one-sided. They report one thing one minute..another the next...and think they are top dog when all the other networks know they aren't

 

 

 

 

Would you rather have a man think of you and get you a token of his appreciation and love on some random day, or because the calendar said so?

 

Both. What's so evil about that? A man can appreciate a woman on a given day and also on a prescribed calendar day can't he? Or is he incapable of loving his woman even on a mushy holiday?

[carhill]

FWIW, in my M, I was the one who remembered the "days". There were many years I didn't even get a BD card. It was only when I started mentioning deevorce that such days began to be remembered. Yeah, that really makes my d!ck hard.....

 

So, for the ladies, in that particular regard, I can empathize with those who felt similar. To me, those things speak to the intimacy and constancy of the relationship. Other men feel differently. Apparently, some women give those men the attention and love, even though they hate the action/inaction. Round and round we go

[donnamaybe]

Are these guys really angry, or is it just a show? I'm trying to figure out why the venom. I mean, I've had some lousy experiences in romance and have been taken advantage of but I just don't get the generalized hatred. Perhaps it ties in with my posting in another thread about pragmatism and sociopathy. They spew because it works. TBH, as my gentlemanly ways haven't enjoyed the best of receptions, maybe they're onto something. Won't make me change though. I'd rather be alone and feel good about myself

 

If you read what is being said about how a gal doesn't care what kind of job a guy has and will sleep with him on the first date, it appears what the REAL problem is that SOME guys, like I said before, want their cake and eat it too. They don't want to examine the possibility that maybe they are partially at fault for their bad experiences with women. And when you read that they want a gal who has no standards in how well a man takes care of himself financially and is ready to hop into bed at first sight (but will turn around and bash "easy women" on those threads we've all read), well - it's not hard to see where the problem lies.

[donnamaybe]

american men do not usually treat american women very well. American women are like puppies that have been beaten up in some cases.

 

In others they're spoiled and/or stupid people.

 

However, american men can be far too cruel.

 

German men are probably a lot nicer, hence when the women are better.

 

thank youuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mr.dream merchant]

You mean like you do in YOUR relationship?

 

Ohohohoooo! Neither of us wear the pants. But when she tries them on I let her know the deal, besides...I like her better with the pants off anyways.

[donnamaybe]

I usually but my wife something on Valentines Day but I will never understand women's obsession with days? I am not a big fan of holidays anyway. Guys if you want to see the most pathetic site in the world go to any retail store the night before Valentines. It is one of the saddest things ever to watch these men scramble to pick up a gift so they don't end up in the doghouse. They all have that whipped look in their eye.

 

Well, Woggle, it's nice when, for example, a person's birthday isn't just another day like yesterday and the day before and the day before. Ya know? Some of us still have that childlike affinity for surprises, regardless of money spent or none at all. I would appreciate it if I came home to a freshly cleaned house on my birthday and a nice dinner cooked. It's not about the size of a gift, but the thought that someone cares to make my day special.

[Sam Spade]

If you read what is being said about how a gal doesn't care what kind of job a guy has and will sleep with him on the first date, it appears what the REAL problem is that SOME guys, like I said before, want their cake and eat it too. They don't want to examine the possibility that maybe they are partially at fault for their bad experiences with women. And when you read that they want a gal who has no standards in how well a man takes care of himself financially and is ready to hop into bed at first sight (but will turn around and bash "easy women" on those threads we've all read), well - it's not hard to see where the problem lies.

 

 

It's more subtle than that. Guys generally (myself included) do not expect a free ride, but are upset about frivolous judgement from women who have nothing to back it up. I certainly wouldn't expect a girl to get it on in me if i wasn't good looking and in good shape (I am), didn't have a good job (I do), and didn't have unconventional/non-boring personality (I do). Any woman with the above traits will be given a shot by any sane guy. But, I, and most other guys have been rejected for frivolous reasons in spite of major assets in the "DO" column by women who can expect no better based on what *they* can offer (I have no problem with being turned down by women out of my league, though there aren't very many of those ).

We can argue all we want, but this bad attitude and judgmental mentality is way more common in american women than anywhere I've been. Actually I'm not even annoyed, because it works both ways - I certainly wouldn't want a woman with such type of attitude even if she decides she "likes" me. It has happened before. Shocking, I know .