Should American men stop dating American women?

[You'reasian]

Sorry guys, but you have to bring something to the table.

 

Another example of someone saying they want something but going about it otherwise.

 

And you really just re-evaulate yourselves and how you choose mates and stop condemning women for how they do.

 

There's nothing wrong if you ladies just want to hook up - as another female poster said - just talk about sex alot, go and do the deed and then go about your business - why all the propaganda and drama about manning up to commit when you're out dating bad guys

 

I don't need it explained to me dude. Again, my point is that men are no less selfless. I just don't think the men here care about that though. They want to whine and complain about how bad women are, want women to like them for *then*, yet don't want to take their own stock about what they put out there themselves.

 

Fortunately or unfortunately, we guys don't have to do as much to attract females. I know guys who could (or have) put on alot of weight, donned some saggy pants and a flava-flave chain clock and believe a woman's place is the home and what not and still attract quality women - I'm not here to judge that situation, but its reality

 

Yes, all single smokin' hot women are so much more collected and better then average or chubby girls..

 

Thanks for admitting that.

 

Men that make over 1k are much better lovers, kinder, handsomer then men that do't as well. Excellent. Glad we established that. .

 

and agreeing with the money factor too. we guys already knew about how money affects attraction.

 

Both. What's so evil about that? A man can appreciate a woman on a given day and also on a prescribed calendar day can't he? Or is he incapable of loving his woman even on a mushy holiday?

 

Don't be the attention vampire lol.

 

The point of the OP is that this guy had a cool and fun dating experience without the games and drama that females try to put him through. I think all guys here are probably happy for him.

 

We guys are easy - we know it and you know it.

 

Next time you go out on a date, just have fun and go with the flow. If its not fun, leave - don't play games or create drama - just tell him you're not feelin' it (but that's too simple).

[donnamaybe]

It's more subtle than that. Guys generally (myself included) do not expect a free ride, but are upset about frivolous judgement from women who have nothing to back it up. I certainly wouldn't expect a girl to get it on in me if i wasn't good looking and in good shape (I am), didn't have a good job (I do), and didn't have unconventional/non-boring personality (I do). Any woman with the above traits will be given a shot by any sane guy. But, I, and most other guys have been rejected for frivolous reasons in spite of major assets in the "DO" column by women who can expect no better based on what *they* can offer (I have no problem with being turned down by women out of my league, though there aren't very many of those ).

We can argue all we want, but this bad attitude and judgmental mentality is way more common in american women than anywhere I've been. Actually I'm not even annoyed, because it works both ways - I certainly wouldn't want a woman with such type of attitude even if she decides she "likes" me. It has happened before. Shocking, I know .

 

I think the "bad attitude" was brought by the OP of this thread, don'tcha think? I "judge" men by their behavior alone at the get go. If they're egotistical jackasses, they've never gotten the time of day with me. If they have a good personality, then we move on and find out more about each other. That's normal - at least in MY little world. There are things that would keep me from dating a guy that might not matter to another gal. For example, this one guy who had his own lucrative business wanted to date me. I was thinking of giving it a go with him, because he seemed to be a good guy, but then I found out he burns tires on his property because he doesn't want to pay to dispose of them properly. NEXT!

[Jersey Shortie]

Nothing you replied to made any sense to anything I was discussing You'reasin.

[donnamaybe]

BTW, Sam Spade, are you one of the guys who will hook up with one of the said "easy chicks" and then talk about her like she's scum when you're out with the boys?

[You'reasian]

Nothing you replied to made any sense to anything I was discussing You'reasin.

 

Do continue with your rant...

[Sam Spade]

I think the "bad attitude" was brought by the OP of this thread, don'tcha think? I "judge" men by their behavior alone at the get go. If they're egotistical jackasses, they've never gotten the time of day with me. If they have a good personality, then we move on and find out more about each other. That's normal - at least in MY little world. There are things that would keep me from dating a guy that might not matter to another gal. For example, this one guy who had his own lucrative business wanted to date me. I was thinking of giving it a go with him, because he seemed to be a good guy, but then I found out he burns tires on his property because he doesn't want to pay to dispose of them properly. NEXT!

 

Bit mistake. Money was merely an excuse, he was doing it to keep the zombies away at night until a vaccine was found .

[donnamaybe]

Bit mistake. Money was merely an excuse, he was doing it to keep the zombies away at night until a vaccine was found .

 

Nope. He's a self serving jackass in many ways. Found it out in time!

[Jersey Shortie]

Do continue with your rant...

 

I just don't get what your response really had to do with anything I said. Whether I am ranting or not, doesn't mean that my opinions aren't sound ones.

[serial muse]

This whole thread is so pointless. And they say women are melodramatic. Sheesh.

 

Men who dislike dating American women: don't date them. Problem solved, for all concerned. Seriously. Just don't.

 

I seriously do not understand who you're trying to convince with the endless, repetitive rants. Other men? Women? If you must complain endlessly about how much you hate an entire nation of women because they suck you dry or destroy your soul and hate kittens, just start a blog already.

[MissConduct]

Would you rather have a man think of you and get you a token of his appreciation and love on some random day, or because the calendar said so?

 

I prefer both actually, not one or the other.

 

In my experience, the types of guys who have a little surprise up their sleeves for a special occasion like Vsday or a Bday are also the types of guys who will bring you flowers "just because". Then again I am the type to get gifts "just because" as well, when I am with someone long term.

 

 

I come from a family where special occasions are celebrated, we make a "fuss" over people. We were taught to "celebrate" those we care about. My parents are the types to have Easter dinner for all the family and bring over treats and food for the neighbors/friends, that is just how I grew up. I was taught to give and to share with those you love. Life is too short not to nurture those relationships that mean something to you.

[You'reasian]

For example, this one guy who had his own lucrative business wanted to date me. I was thinking of giving it a go with him, because he seemed to be a good guy, but then I found out he burns tires on his property because he doesn't want to pay to dispose of them properly. NEXT!

 

Exactly lol

 

You ladies have some strange ways of pickin' em.

[donnamaybe]

Exactly lol

 

You ladies have some strange ways of pickin' em.

 

Nothing strange about not wanting any part of an a55 hat who doesn't mind destroying the environment. Or does that concept escape you?

 

I feel that's a much better reason to not date a guy rather than, say, the kind of car he drives.

[You'reasian]

Nothing strange about not wanting any part of an a55 hat who doesn't mind destroying the environment. Or does that concept escape you?

 

To each there own - smoking destroys the environment too and does much more damage to the health of those within the smoker's vicinity but its up to each person to decide their preferences.

[You'reasian]

I feel that's a much better reason to not date a guy rather than, say, the kind of car he drives.

 

I'm feeling alot more secure about myself, now that you've mentioned it.

 

Hop in for a ride!

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[donnamaybe]

To each there own - smoking destroys the environment too and does much more damage to the health of those within the smoker's vicinity but its up to each person to decide their preferences.

 

And I don't smoke and I DO recycle, etc. etc. etc. Not that I'm a nutjob about it, but this guy just didn't give a rat's azz. Totally turned me off. And I wouldn't date a smoker either. We would wind up in a stalemate over whether it was okay to smoke in the house or not. NOT! lol

[Untouchable_Fire]

The fact remains that the guys on here whine about how women want this or that, but then make statements that illustrate they obviously what a hot woman. It's vainly hypocritical. You want a woman to like you for *you*, not worry about the lack of or the huge amount of money you make. Yet you want to have the right to judge women on something like looks and defend it. I have no issues with a man wanting someone he is attracted to. I hope most men would. But so what if a women likes a guy that has a nice job?

 

When we are young, we don't really know how to gauge our own attractiveness. So we always try to go after the most attractive available, and it gives us an idea of what we can get.

 

Guys who don't mature, or don't get any experience do not move beyond this stage.

 

It is VERY shallow to judge women solely based on their looks. A guy who does that will never be happy.

 

Sorry guys, but you have to bring something to the table. And you really just re-evaulate yourselves and how you choose mates and stop condemning women for how they do. You want to whine about what a nice guy you are and how good you would treat a woman but how women just don't pick you because they are shallow and "currupt" and "wrong". WRONG. Don't pretend that your shallow desires are any more justified then a woman's could be.

 

I agree and think this applies to both men and women.

 

Most guys do not like women who are just interested in money. The only guys who do are insecure and want "trophy" wives, and that rarely works out well in the end.

 

I don't need it explained to me dude. Again, my point is that men are no less selfless. I just don't think the men here care about that though. They want to whine and complain about how bad women are, want women to like them for *then*, yet don't want to take their own stock about what they put out there themselves.

 

For some it's easy to see the fault of others, hard to see the flaws within themselves.

 

Yes, all single smokin' hot women are so much more collected and better then average or chubby girls. Men that make over 1k are much better lovers, kinder, handsomer then men that do't as well. Excellent. Glad we established that.

 

From personal experience, chubby girls can be awesome!

 

Get on on CNN..their information is almost always faulty and one-sided. They report one thing one minute..another the next...and think they are top dog when all the other networks know they aren't

 

Yes, CNN is soooo bad. They absolutely refused to admit their own bias... in the face of absolute evidence. They used to be the best, but they have slipped very far... and sometimes lie outright. I would like just one news network where I don't have to have my mental BullS*** filter on at all times.

 

Both. What's so evil about that? A man can appreciate a woman on a given day and also on a prescribed calendar day can't he? Or is he incapable of loving his woman even on a mushy holiday?

 

For me, having a socially ordained day is just a drag. It feels meaningless and empty. Like I am doing something because it is expected of me, not because it comes from the heart.

 

I like to use days that have a personal signifigance.

[MissConduct]

For me, having a socially ordained day is just a drag. It feels meaningless and empty. Like I am doing something because it is expected of me, not because it comes from the heart.

 

I like to use days that have a personal signifigance.

 

 

So that means on the 4th of July you most go in to work anyway because it is a socially ordained holiday and we know how you feel about those types of days. Correct?

[You'reasian]

you can't make sweeping statements like these about women and then expect to be looked at as an individual yourself.

 

there are women around that very much judge a man's character from the beginning as one of the key aspects of dating. you get shallow people and you get those with depth. same rule applies for men.

 

The sweeping statements hold truth to them.

 

I know some really, really cool females who do not behave in the above stated ways. They're actually rather simple, straight-forward and very much into their femininity.

 

They've already been snatched up though (or are ex-es whom are miles away).

[Cherished]

It is in the U.S., also. You find very few men with college degrees seeing women without one themselves, that is just a fact.

 

 

The majority of German women have relationships with men who have the same or an even higher educational background.

 

Educational homogamy is alive and kicking in Germany.

[Jersey Shortie]

So that means on the 4th of July you most go in to work anyway because it is a socially ordained holiday and we know how you feel about those types of days. Correct?

 

And for Christmas too....

[Stockalone]

It is in the U.S., also. You find very few men with college degrees seeing women without one themselves, that is just a fact.

 

I am not surprised. Educational homogamy is probably on the rise in most western societies.

 

I was simply pointing this out because the OP suggested that German women are very different from American women. Granted, there are differences, but most of the OP's theories are invalid.

[mental_traveller]

I don't even understand what you are trying to say here to be honest.

 

The fact remains that the guys on here whine about how women want this or that, but then make statements that illustrate they obviously what a hot woman. It's vainly hypocritical. You want a woman to like you for *you*, not worry about the lack of or the huge amount of money you make. Yet you want to have the right to judge women on something like looks and defend it. I have no issues with a man wanting someone he is attracted to. I hope most men would. But so what if a women likes a guy that has a nice job?

 

Sorry guys, but you have to bring something to the table. And you really just re-evaulate yourselves and how you choose mates and stop condemning women for how they do. You want to whine about what a nice guy you are and how good you would treat a woman but how women just don't pick you because they are shallow and "currupt" and "wrong". WRONG. Don't pretend that your shallow desires are any more justified then a woman's could be.

 

 

If a guy is perfectly happy to be judged in part on his career success, status, looks, height, physical prowess etc, would you be perfectly accepting of him going for young, attractive, busty, sensual, feminine women?

[Jersey Shortie]

I'd be happy if men treated women as if they really care for them. Where more interested in what they could give and offer then take and use. Wanted to develop relationships with women for the long haul. No matter the woman's age, bustline, or level of sensualness. And didn't act like man-boys well into their 30s thinking . My poppop had to grow up in a serious world. He went to war. The men of the following generations never experienced hardships like he did. Today, alot of men are more boy then man. Trying desperately to hang on to things. Wanting to live an extend frat boy existence. Believe it or not, alot of women do look to men for guidence. But how can you really trust in the type of men that are out there today that are out for themselves and don't really want to grow up? Man-boys trying to fight for power, they come off even more weak and spoiled and unattractive. Makes for alot of unhappy women, younger and older. I would be happy if men were men. And not men as defined by fluff magazines like Maxim. That's only a caricature of a man. And sadly, men seem to be happy trying to meet the caricture of what they are told to be.

[Woggle]

Men should do what makes us happy and if that means acting like fratboys so be it. Women for the past 30 years have been doing everything they can to try and neuter men than complain that men don't act like men anymore. These men who sacrifice everything for their women and their families are the man who eventually get the I love you but I am not in love with you speech by their wives and have to fight tooth and nail to be a father to their children.

[carhill]

Believe it or not, a lot of women do look to men for guidance.

 

How is that? Even our psych choked on that when I floated the premise in MC. This is a time of total equality, or so it seems. OK woman, climb on the tractor an mow the back 40 and then blow it down and grease it when you're done

 

Seriously, though, I actually walked my wife through a plumbing job yesterday, correcting a mess at her house which had been installed by a "professional". Showed her every step, and even some tricks I've learned in my 30+ years doing it. First time in our 9 year M that she ever spent more than 5 minutes paying attention to anything that I do. The day prior, I suggested a divorce mediator might be a cost-effective idea. Maybe that was why....hmmm

 

JS, my dad was your poppop. His first wife left him while he was in Italy in WW2. He was a great role model. I know exactly what you mean. Keep trying.