Should American men stop dating American women?

[moman]

 

If you think foreign women are better than us that is your choice but you seem bitter towards American women in general. I can tell you that American women are not living in fear of foreign women taking all the men. American women are beautiful, cultured, educated, caring and kind. Many men throughout the world admire and are attracted to us. It really is okay that some of our native men cannot appreciate who and what we are as there are plenty of others who do. BTW, have you ever thought of moving to a foreign country?

 

Some women maybe. The "cultured" I have found in American women is being able to talk about American Idol and what actress is dating whom. Most of the American women I know or meet are so stuck up and think they have some kind of internal gold-mine I feel sorry for the poor sap who has to maintenance that.

 

I just returned this week from an overseas trip, and it's amazing the foreign women who have a grasp of the world, who have visited various countries, who are aware of the big picture and have a worldly attitude.

 

Yes, I will live overseas one day. Not all American women are like the way I describe, but I've met enough to feel a general indifference towards them.

[sally4sara]

Personally, I can't imagine an Asian guy whose dated women from different cultures/races....

 

he doesn't exist.

 

He does so, he and his American wife live next door to friends of our's. They have a cute little girl.

and..

Does that awful Jon and Kate show count? He looks pretty much of Asian descent.

 

Foreign women tend to be leaner on average though

 

Well that pretty easy to claim. It would be like saying Asian women tend to have darker hair than Swedish women.

Americans, gender not specified, tend to be fatter that other nationalities. All U.S. studies show it to be applicable to both men and women fairly evenly.

 

I don't understand why its hard for anyone to accept that American women might be more of a challenge than some other nationalities. Women enjoy more equality in the U.S. than in many other countries. It stands to reason we would be less use to the "shut up and put up" wants of man who doesn't like to be questioned. It takes more effort if you must back up your wants with a logical reason. If a man has trouble being fair or explaining why he should be deferred to, he would probably prefer a woman who comes from a culture where they don't nurture girls has much to become educated free thinking women.

 

I don't care if a man views me to be too much of a challenge; he is probably right.

[Sam Spade]

I DO agree that there can be an unattractive attitude women have today sometimes. And women aren't always the soft nuturing creatures of the black and white films of the past. But the truth is alot of men today don't want to really be men. They don't want the responsibility of sheltering and protecting women. A woman has to be on her own guard and protect herself. Unfotunetly, she does get *harder* for it. And men's attitudes today are not any more attractive. Selfish and self centered. So while I agree with you, I don't agree how you only want to address a woman's role and attitude and make no mention of the ways American men contribute to the situation. We don't want to date grown adult men who have frat boy mentalities. And sadly, alot of men today do.

 

Well many american guys unfortunately also don't have much to brag about... There are so many men in their 30's that can't do something as simple as dress like adults, much less take any responsibility for anything.

Whoever here said that the Jackass boomer generation is to blame may be right. The last traces of class in the american society seem to have died in the early 60's, shortly after the privileged boomer cast began to come of age . "We never had our lives in danger, we've never been deprived of anything, might as well make fun of our parents' values who made this all possible" kinda thing, i guess.

[Els]

Personally, I can't imagine an Asian guy whose dated women from different cultures/races....

 

he doesn't exist.

 

It is true that it's not common.

 

However, that's precisely my point. He would WANT to have a go with those foreign women who walk our streets in a tank top sans bra, trust me. He probably would be thinking 'damn, but it'd be hot if our women did that!'. He'd be envious of his American counterparts who get sex with their women on the first or second date, or can get no-strings-attached sex without paying with perfect ease.

 

It's just that Asian men (Chinese especially), seem to be more conservative and lacking in confidence compared to most of their foreign counterparts. So they would fantasize but in the end they wouldn't act on it, and they'll end up just being practical and doing what their sensible parents did -- marry a good girl close to home.

 

Also, some of us aren't leaner due to more exercise, trust me. In my country, for example, people avoid walking as much as possible, due to the insanely hot weather, high street crime and high pollution. We have one of the highest car densities in the world, and traffic jams which are, thank goodness, just slightly better than those of Bangkok and Jakarta. It's just the genes. I couldn't climb 3 flights of stairs without getting breathless and I eat what I like, but I weigh less than 100lbs. I'll bet many American women are healthier than me, albeit heavier.

[calazhage]

It depends.

 

If you are a guy who loves American idol and Survivor, you would have far more in common with an American female.

 

I think the idea of the submissive foreign women is a myth. What they do offer is more of a femininity that American women seem to be lacking.

 

I would say that on avg foreign women DEMAND to be treated with much more respect than their American female counterparts. Actually American females seem to love the types of guys who crap all over them. Foreign women do not put up with this.

 

The average American female is five foot 4, 160.. Pretty big. So if a woman is simply slender she is a rarity, and she knows this. American men have far fewer women to choose from, unless BBW's are your thing.

[sally4sara]

The average American female is five foot 4, 160.. Pretty big. So if a woman is simply slender she is a rarity, and she knows this. American men have far fewer women to choose from, unless BBW's are your thing.

 

 

http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/human-body/united-states-what-average-height-weight-for-man

 

Strange discrepancy in your claim don't you think? I suspect you'll find many conflicting studies depending on whom you wish to disparage. This one says the average weight for Americans has gone up for both men and women, but much more for men than women. We both got taller but, men are now 27 lbs. heavier to women's 1 lbs. heavier than we were, on average, in the 60s.

 

American men are also fatter on average than men of other nationalities.

 

Maybe you should look to reserchers who don't carry your bias. Date who you prefer, but don't make up statistic to justify something you don't have to justify. The only studies I found that sound like your statistic, were off of tabloid style sites.

 

You also need to consider nutrition standards. Good nutrition gives length of the bone. Length of the bone allows for more weight to be carried.

 

I volunteer at a shelter for Myanmar refugees. The girls all come in very thin - and no wonder! They have worms! After they go through treatment to get rid of the worms, they gain around 15 - 20 lbs in a couple months. More if they develop a fondness for the Golden Arches.

[donnamaybe]

He might have had a bitch fest about American women' date=' but if you read his post carefully - he is bitching about behaviors and actions moreso [/quote']

 

Oh, I know perfectly well that he is. And the things he says American women ALL do are very derogatory. I don't behave that way, and neither do a lot - nay, ANY women I know personally. And besides, aren't behaviors and actions all we have to gauge people on? What else is there but shallow stuff? If THAT is what he is using as the litmus test for finding a girlfriend, NO WONDER he thinks all American women are crap. Eventually he has to face their behaviors and actions.

[Jersey Shortie]

Between 1960 and 1990 the average American male became 2 inches (5 centimeters) taller and 27 pounds (12.25 kilograms) heavier, while the average American woman also grew 2 inches (5 centimeters) taller, but gained only 1 pound (0.45 kilograms).

 

OWNED.

 

 

You can find food in the landfill too...

 

Did you just compare American women to food in a landfill?

 

I am completely flabbergasted by such an erroneous, misogynistic post and even more surprised that no other guy on here had the decency to call you out on it. You should seriously be embarressed of yourself for that statement Clv. And for someone that preaches about family values and has gone on months and months dating three women, I don't think you really understand the ideal of family values.

 

 

No one cares if you want to date foreign women. Perhaps your utter lack of respect for women has caused you to have the experiences you have.

 

 

This statement:

 

Either way, its funny $h1+ lol

 

You're so bitter.

 

 

Followed by this one....

 

 

Not all of you, just alot of you.

 

There are many awesome, respectable women out there - but there are also many shallow, fearful, bitter ones too lol

 

 

...is funny $h1+. You tell me I'm bitter but I hate to tell you, you come off bitter.

 

And yes, I can be bitter but don't sit there and act like you and the guys posting here aren't themselves. You are ridiculously bitter..but your bitter is okay right? Your struggles with the other gender are *more* important, hurt more, qualify more...right?

[bean1]

Wow, this thread is quite interesting.

 

I have to say, as a NON American, it's quite suprising to see how much people "bash their own" here.

 

Let me tell you, when I was in the Middle East for a while a few years ago, I sure bonded with the American girls. Sweethearts.

 

Sometimes you don't know how good something is until you lose it I suppose.

 

Like Elswyth said, this is a "grass is greener" issue. Non-American girls are not really as different as you would think.

 

Foreign women demand more respect? Really? What is "foreign", anyways? Do Australian or British women demand (and receive?) the same respect as a woman in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia? India?

 

I'm wondering what the international/travel experience of some people here is.

 

Please, tell us non-American girls, how do you arrive at your opinion of us???

[stillafool]

Foreign women tend to be leaner on average though' date=' mostly due to different transportation infrastructure (having to walk, cycle everywhere versus driving) and in some countries/cultures our foreign neighbors are really into active hobbies - weather it be anything from lacrosse, cycling to judo (yep, women in foreign countries enjoy practicing martial arts - according to friends of mine whom travel).[/quote']

 

 

Yes and American women work out at the gym, surf, water ski, snow board, snow ski, jog, bicycle, play tennis, volleyball, and martial arts amoung other activities.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Like Elswyth said, this is a "grass is greener" issue. Non-American girls are not really as different as you would think.

Foreign women demand more respect? Really? What is "foreign", anyways? Do Australian or British women demand (and receive?) the same respect as a woman in Saudi Arabia or Malaysia? India?

I'm wondering what the international/travel experience of some people here is.

Please, tell us non-American girls, how do you arrive at your opinion of us???

 

I disagreed with Elswyth for the fundamental reason that men and women seek different things in a mate.

 

Most of the foreign guys I've met were only interested in American women for sex. Granted most of foreign guys I know are either Asian, African, or Middle Eastern... but the point is that because of American TV they believe American women are easy sluts. Most of them plan to go home to find a bride.

 

The reason is simple. Guys like to feel powerful... so we are going to naturally seek out women that can provide us that feeling. Because of this women from cultures that don't have a strong female empowerment movement will always seem more attractive to males who have a stronger need to feel powerful.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Strange discrepancy in your claim don't you think? I suspect you'll find many conflicting studies depending on whom you wish to disparage. This one says the average weight for Americans has gone up for both men and women, but much more for men than women. We both got taller but, men are now 27 lbs. heavier to women's 1 lbs. heavier than we were, on average, in the 60s.

 

How do you know that 27 lbs is not an increase in the average muscle mass of American men?

 

When my dad was in peak shape back in the 70's he weighed 150, when I was in peak shape back in 2000 I weighed 185. Remember the use of steroids has increased dramatically in the U.S.

[Jersey Shortie]

If American men did a better job of providing and taking care of American women maybe there wouldn't need to be a big empowerment movement.

 

I digress. In any culture, American or otherwise, a man is going to try to get laid.

 

This is 100% a clear case of the grass being greaner on the other side. Foriegn men are not any happier then American men. Women make men crazy in all cultures, its a universal lanugage.

 

By the way, women like men that make them feel more feminine. Men screaming about having to pay for coffee and whing about how evil American women are don't envoke those feelings.

[stillafool]

By the way, women like men that make them feel more feminine. Men screaming about having to pay for coffee and whing about how evil American women are don't envoke those feelings.

 

Not to mention being preoccupied with their looks. Yeah, that's real masculine!

[Untouchable_Fire]

If American men did a better job of providing and taking care of American women maybe there wouldn't need to be a big empowerment movement.

I digress. In any culture, American or otherwise, a man is going to try to get laid.

This is 100% a clear case of the grass being greaner on the other side. Foriegn men are not any happier then American men. Women make men crazy in all cultures, its a universal lanugage.

By the way, women like men that make them feel more feminine. Men screaming about having to pay for coffee and whing about how evil American women are don't envoke those feelings.

 

That's not true. Even if every American man was some kind of Stepford Husband... there should still be an empowerment movement. It's about providing women with self esteem and rights.

 

If you take a second to think about what I am saying it should make a ton of sense as to why this thread even exists. Because the lie and share of American women come from a culture where they have rights and some power, Men who don't feel all that powerful will naturally feel bitter about it.

 

On a personal level, I have some gripes... but they have to do with our Culture as a whole, not so much American women in general.

[stillafool]

Most of the foreign guys I've met were only interested in American women for sex. Granted most of foreign guys I know are either Asian, African, or Middle Eastern... but the point is that because of American TV they believe American women are easy sluts. Most of them plan to go home to find a bride.

 

Wow, and most of the American women I know just want sex from foreign men and marry over here. When women go on "girls vacations" to foreign countries they want to meet a hot foreign guy just to make the vaction fun. So I guess this works out well for both.

The reason is simple. Guys like to feel powerful... so we are going to naturally seek out women that can provide us that feeling. Because of this women from cultures that don't have a strong female empowerment movement will always seem more attractive to males who have a stronger need to feel powerful.

 

Wow, I think this is called BEING INSECURE AS HELL! If you want to feel powerful then be powerful, don't look to a woman to make you feel that way. Gawd! these American men!

[Els]

I disagreed with Elswyth for the fundamental reason that men and women seek different things in a mate.

 

Most of the foreign guys I've met were only interested in American women for sex. Granted most of foreign guys I know are either Asian, African, or Middle Eastern... but the point is that because of American TV they believe American women are easy sluts. Most of them plan to go home to find a bride.

I somehow don't think the OP was mentioning anything about having a long-term relationship with, or marrying the foreign girl in his post.

 

The reason is simple. Guys like to feel powerful... so we are going to naturally seek out women that can provide us that feeling. Because of this women from cultures that don't have a strong female empowerment movement will always seem more attractive to males who have a stronger need to feel powerful.

 

This is all good and well and everyone's entitled to their own preferences. You'd be surprised how 'submissive women from other countries' really treat their bfs in relationships. I'm not saying they're any worse, but really, I don't think they're better on average than American women.

 

Also, I'm very curious about the guys that claim they want a traditional woman who knows how to be feminine and let the guy take charge, etc... yet those same guys claim they'd never continue dating a girl if they don't get sex after a few dates. I mean, like, seriously. Do you really think traditional women are going to give up that which traditional cultures prize most in a woman, to you, after a few dates?

 

So again, I'd like to ask, of you guys here claiming how much better foreign women are, etc, have you ever been in a long term relationship with one?

 

Because the naysayers here, like bean1 and I, probably are more qualified to comment than many of you.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Wow, and most of the American women I know just want sex from foreign men and marry over here. When women go on "girls vacations" to foreign countries they want to meet a hot foreign guy just to make the vaction fun. So I guess this works out well for both.

 

Wow, I think this is called BEING INSECURE AS HELL! If you want to feel powerful then be powerful, don't look to a woman to make you feel that way. Gawd! these American men!

 

Men want to be pack leaders... it is a biological drive. I would not call it insecurity. It's just like your biological clock.

 

Also, there are plenty of American girls who go out of the country to just have a good time and become victims of the slutty stereotype. Natalee Holloway is perhaps a good example of that. So, I guess it works out until somebody winds up dead.

[Untouchable_Fire]

This is all good and well and everyone's entitled to their own preferences. You'd be surprised how 'submissive women from other countries' really treat their bfs in relationships. I'm not saying they're any worse, but really, I don't think they're better on average than American women.

Also, I'm very curious about the guys that claim they want a traditional woman who knows how to be feminine and let the guy take charge, etc... yet those same guys claim they'd never continue dating a girl if they don't get sex after a few dates. I mean, like, seriously. Do you really think traditional women are going to give up that which traditional cultures prize most in a woman, to you, after a few dates?

 

Perception is king. I've been in relationships with at least two women who I would consider foreign... and I can say that the differences are very minor... and probably have more to do with the individual woman than the culture of origin. Does that answer your question?

 

I'm surprised at the poor response to the idea that men have a desire to feel powerful. You have all been on the planet long enough to realize that nearly all men need this in some fashion. I get it from my job, so I don't go looking for women to provide it. I can say that if a woman tries to control me... the relationship will be over quick.

 

It's a fundamental part of our nature! You don't go searching for guys who suck at life... you want a guy who IS powerful. Why is it so hard to believe?

[Els]

So if you believe that there is only a very minor difference between women of any culture, why are you disagreeing with me?

 

In response to your last paragraph, yes, we do want men who ARE powerful. Not men who need their woman to make them feel powerful. However, I didn't really take issue with that. If some men want their women like that, it's fine with me.

 

I just find it hilarious how they want a woman who's not only traditionally feminine and submissive and soft, but also loves sex and wants to have it with any man on the third date. Like, huh? I suppose I should say I want a cool rich gangsta with tattoos all over his arm and a ton of henchmen in the shadows waiting to do his bidding -- but I also want him to be sensitive, polite, loyal, sweet, and romantic. Not only do I want a guy like that, I think every guy should be like that!

[stillafool]

Men want to be pack leaders... it is a biological drive. I would not call it insecurity. It's just like your biological clock.

 

If a man wants to be a pack leader he should get some dogs. I don't have kids (nor wanted them) and my bio clock never bothered me.

 

Also, there are plenty of American girls who go out of the country to just have a good time and become victims of the slutty stereotype. Natalee Holloway is perhaps a good example of that. So, I guess it works out until somebody winds up dead.

 

Well you know what they say "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" so who cares if they view you as a slut over there. It is a shame about Natalee Holloway but she was a girl and I'm talking about the things grown women do.

[sally4sara]

How do you know that 27 lbs is not an increase in the average muscle mass of American men?

 

When my dad was in peak shape back in the 70's he weighed 150, when I was in peak shape back in 2000 I weighed 185. Remember the use of steroids has increased dramatically in the U.S.

 

So has video game playing. So is less farming among Americans. So has female involvement in sports and fitness. Lots of things to think about.

 

I found this so far (5 minutes spent):

 

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/174894/obese_men_more_carb_intolerant_than_obese_women/

 

It found men are less tolerant of an unhealthy diet than women and there for more likely to gain fat mass faster.

 

I will continue to do research after my errands. Errands I cycle to accomplish I might add.

 

Untouchable Fire, am I the only one capable of doing this or do you too have a search engine? I'm starting to think I'm the only one who wants to know what I'm talking about before I talk about it.

[sally4sara]

That's not true. Even if every American man was some kind of Stepford Husband... there should still be an empowerment movement. It's about providing women with self esteem and rights.

 

If you take a second to think about what I am saying it should make a ton of sense as to why this thread even exists. Because the lie and share of American women come from a culture where they have rights and some power, Men who don't feel all that powerful will naturally feel bitter about it.

 

On a personal level, I have some gripes... but they have to do with our Culture as a whole, not so much American women in general.

 

I agree completely.

 

This thread shouldn't upset as many people as it has. It is the same thing as when you see very young women wearing skimpy clothes in inappropriate settings. They are unsure of their newly budded bodies and seek validation that they are normal, average, above average, below.....

 

"Did I grow proper tah-tahs? I look good right? Right?

 

Men like the OP are unsure of themselves. So they expose themselves too to see how many other men agree or cheer their opinion on. They perhaps have found it more difficult with their female peers and seek some external reason to cite for their difficulties.

 

"There isn't anything wrong with ME, its all these damn 'merican women!"

 

Right? Hey fellas.....right? Who's with me? Right?

 

Empowered women make it harder for an uncertain man to feel powerful. They can remember their older male reletives having an easier time with women from past generations. That's okay because there will be future generations of men born never knowing meek women to be normal. They will be better able to feel powerful without women needing to be weak.

 

Then we can all comfortably be strong and capable together.

[Sam Spade]

I agree completely.

 

This thread shouldn't upset as many people as it has. It is the same thing as when you see very young women wearing skimpy clothes in inappropriate settings. They are unsure of their newly budded bodies and seek validation that they are normal, average, above average, below.....

 

"Did I grow proper tah-tahs? I look good right? Right?

 

Men like the OP are unsure of themselves. So they expose themselves too to see how many other men agree or cheer their opinion on. They perhaps have found it more difficult with their female peers and seek some external reason to cite for their difficulties.

 

"There isn't anything wrong with ME, its all these damn 'merican women!"

 

Right? Hey fellas.....right? Who's with me? Right?

 

Empowered women make it harder for an uncertain man to feel powerful. They can remember their older male reletives having an easier time with women from past generations. That's okay because there will be future generations of men born never knowing meek women to be normal. They will be better able to feel powerful without women needing to be weak.

 

Then we can all comfortably be strong and capable together.

 

Not to rain in your parade, but it works both ways. "Guys don't like me because I'm empowered and they can't handle me. Right? RIGHT?"

[Hi.P.O'Crit]

The reason is simple. Guys like to feel powerful... so we are going to naturally seek out women that can provide us that feeling. Because of this women from cultures that don't have a strong female empowerment movement will always seem more attractive to males who have a stronger need to feel powerful.

 

Wow, I think this is called BEING INSECURE AS HELL! If you want to feel powerful then be powerful, don't look to a woman to make you feel that way. Gawd! these American men!

 

By the way, women like men that make them feel more feminine. Men screaming about having to pay for coffee and whing about how evil American women are don't envoke those feelings.

 

Isn't it insecure of both sexes to feel this way?

 

Both sexes want to feel a certain way. But it's unattractive to need someone else to elicit that feeling.