Should American men stop dating American women?

[clv0116]

Should all people involved' date=' men and women, be required to go through background checks before meeting?[/quote']

 

Well if we wanted to be fair and completely idiotic that would work. Heavens forbid we just let people get to know each other.

[Isolde]

Untouchable Fire, I'm not really talking about artists or bohemian people so much as the general creative vibe that some cities (and a handful of small towns, but rarely suburbs) have. It is very hard to put into words, but you can feel it in the air. I guess it's like the difference between the Gap and some independently owned boutique selling dresses with unneeded ruffles. While my wardrobe is mostly Gap, I would sometimes buy pieces from the boutique store. You get the metaphor right? I'm not an artist and I don't want that lifestyle, but I'm attracted to the liveliness that some (not all) big cities exude, especially at this point in my life.

[carhill]

Heck, we can just let the government match up compatible DNA. Utopia.

[You'reasian]

Heck, we can just let the government match up compatible DNA. Utopia.

 

What if the government matched us up by fitness level, body-types, Myers-Briggs types, intelligence, income levels, shared interests, compatible differences, similarity of core values?

 

That actually sounds kind of interesting.....

[Jersey Shortie]

The equation of this thread is simple

 

Bitter American men + No dating luck with American women /(divided) by the medium age of said men and life experiences x(times) the number of women they have dated = Foreign women are better.

 

I have had the pleasure of talking to many men from different countries and I hate to break it to you guys but issues between the sexes spans cultures. PLEASE do go and date foreign women. The more resonable of us understand that it is no easier the dating any other nationality. But I have no problem with the American men that are bitter and hurt trying to find love in other countries. It might weed out the weak links for the rest of us.

[carhill]

That actually sounds kind of interesting...

Do you actually live in the U.S.?

[Untouchable_Fire]

Would foreign men beat or murder American women?

I don't have any information on this one.

 

Men of all types beat women of all types... it's the way of the world. All we can do is toss them in jail when get get the chance.

 

Untouchable Fire, I'm not really talking about artists or bohemian people so much as the general creative vibe that some cities (and a handful of small towns, but rarely suburbs) have. It is very hard to put into words, but you can feel it in the air. I guess it's like the difference between the Gap and some independently owned boutique selling dresses with unneeded ruffles. While my wardrobe is mostly Gap, I would sometimes buy pieces from the boutique store. You get the metaphor right? I'm not an artist and I don't want that lifestyle, but I'm attracted to the liveliness that some (not all) big cities exude, especially at this point in my life.

 

Ah, I know exactly what you mean!

 

There are some suburbs here on the westside that have this, but they tend to be upper middle class areas. It's very fun to be a part of those communities.

 

I really like outdoorsy areas too! I think that can help keep people grounded and athletic.

 

The equation of this thread is simple

Bitter American men + No dating luck with American women /(divided) by the medium age of said men and life experiences x(times) the number of women they have dated = Foreign women are better.

I have had the pleasure of talking to many men from different countries and I hate to break it to you guys but issues between the sexes spans cultures. PLEASE do go and date foreign women. The more resonable of us understand that it is no easier the dating any other nationality. But I have no problem with the American men that are bitter and hurt trying to find love in other countries. It might weed out the weak links for the rest of us.

 

Ah, but there is always something attractive in a different accent.

[carhill]

PLEASE do go and date foreign women. The more reasonable of us understand that it is no easier the dating any other nationality

 

I actually did. Not the pinup models on those agency sites but rather real normal women that would be similar to what I could attract here at home. Very different auras, mannerisms and perspectives. However, I met my wife shortly after coming home from a trip and never went back. Shoulda let that matchmaker ad expire, in retrospect. Oh, well; good learning experiences, on both counts.

[clv0116]

The equation of this thread is simple

 

Bitter American men + No dating luck with American women /(divided) by the medium age of said men and life experiences x(times) the number of women they have dated = Foreign women are better.

 

Interesting, but I'm stumped on what medium age is. Can you explain it?

 

 

 

I have had the pleasure of talking to many men from different countries and I hate to break it to you guys but issues between the sexes spans cultures.

 

Agreed.

 

 

 

PLEASE do go and date foreign women. The more resonable of us understand that it is no easier the dating any other nationality.

 

Not easier, perhaps harder but ultimately more rewarding.

 

 

 

But I have no problem with the American men that are bitter and hurt trying to find love in other countries. It might weed out the weak links for the rest of us.

 

Well you have to consider which takes more effort, wandering out of the basement into a public place near moms house or engaging in a career and life successful enough to enable frequent international travel. If being able to travel around the world many times per year is a sign of being a "weak link" I'm OK with it.

[You'reasian]

Do you actually live in the U.S.?

 

tee hee .

[You'reasian]

PLEASE do go and date foreign women. The more resonable of us understand that it is no easier the dating any other nationality. But I have no problem with the American men that are bitter and hurt trying to find love in other countries. It might weed out the weak links for the rest of us.

 

The OP already has and seems to have had a positive experience.

 

I don't think American men are bitter - they like women who like them, whether American or not.

 

Its not rocket science, JS.

[You'reasian]

What if the government matched us up by fitness level, body-types, sex drives Myers-Briggs types, intelligence, income levels, shared interests, compatible differences, similarity of core values?

 

 

I'm actually liking this ALOT

[Jersey Shortie]

Ah, but there is always something attractive in a different accent.

 

I agree. An accent for men and women can be an attractive thing. Mainly because it's different. Give me a guy with an Irish or Australian accent and I can be putty.

 

 

The OP already has and seems to have had a positive experience.

 

I don't think American men are bitter - they like women who like them, whether American or not.

 

Its not rocket science, JS.

 

Please, any man that fantasies international relationships and villainizes home grown ones is bitter and unrealistic. I am sure different cultures do have different mannerism and forms for communication and behaviors but I hardly it extends so far where relationships are better in other countries. People are people where ever you go.

 

By the way, what? You think women like men who diss them based on their nationality? TWO way street. Women want men that like them as well. It's not rocket science Sweet Cheeks.

[jayOG]

A large part of the American population is socially backwards. This is largely due to economic and educational inequalities. That's not to say other countries do not face similar problems, but American culture is relatively odd. On the whole the majority of Americans are dumb and violent. No need to debate this argument, if you do, you fit into this category.

 

People from other countries, meaning first world countries are generally more progressive and open minded. Exceptions of course... Dating in other countries is much smoother. You don't face the same problems found in American culture, that is psychological problems. Asian culture is generally different and will run you into cultural problems.

 

Overall with the exception of America and possibly Australia the other first world countries get a long better socially. This is not to say that intelligent Americans aren't amazing, I'm saying the majority of the population in America suffers from many social and psychological problems. We are relatively dysfunctional from a logistical point of view.

 

If you are an American and feel defensive about what I have said you lack the social and economic background or experience to relate.

[samspade]

Loveshackers, instead of listening to ignorant and xenophobic shaming, if you want to find out what dating someone from another country is like, go try it. Life is short, you should sample what's out there, from overseas and right here in the USA. People that shame others for their dating preferences are the truly bitter ones who can't get a date.

[donnamaybe]

That's it. I'm done with these uppity broads. There are so many better women out there that I'm seriously wondering why I put up with them for so long. I met a Turkish hottie in Berlin and guess what? Cool personality and much more fun to be with. I advise any American man who is having frustration and stress from dating American women to just give up on them and look for women in other countries. You'll definitely find there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many better woman out there than American women. To those of you chumps who want to stick with them then good luck. Deal with all the drama, materialism, bickering, prudery, and stank attitudes. If that's what turns you on then go for it.

 

Sam Spade, just in case you forgot why some of the women in this thread are PO'd, here's a refresher. Apparently, we're supposed to not mind when someone calls us "uppity broads" and claims that guys with us have to deal with "drama, materialism, bickering, prudery, and stank attitudes." And we're not supposed to take offense.

 

If any of you guys don't think ANY women NOT living in America are like this, you are living in a fairytale world.

[clv0116]

Please, any man that fantasies international relationships and villainizes home grown ones is bitter and unrealistic. I am sure ....

 

Bottom line here is that I'm not making up fantasies, I go and do and I'm telling you that by and large the dating experience most places overseas is superior in every way. I date both foreign and domestic and while it's logistically a lot easier to date locally the experience makes the extra effort of dating foreigners worth the extra mile. Or rather, the extra kilometers.

 

*I* am sure because *I* go out and do both.

[Sam Spade]

A, this thread is still alive. Oh well, what the hell. Here's another problem I see in US: the disregard for traditional gender roles is the most extreme in America, and much more son within women than in men. You know it's true: men are sill expected to be stuck in their traditional gender roles while women are supposed to be whatever they want to be .

 

That's great in the grand scheme of things, but that doesn't make them great relationship material. Oh, and by traditional gender roles I don't mean barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, but soft, kind and welcomming, and creating comfort in the relationship, while the guy's role is being a bit more in charge, taking care of business kind of thing. Oh, and women don't need to give up their careers or interests to be pleasant to be aroun . So, more than anything, it's attitude that guys are raging about . There need to be complementary roles in a relationsip. Two pairs of balls are not it . Really, who would want to date a dude with a vagina?

[donnamaybe]

A, this thread is still alive. Oh well, what the hell. Here's another problem I see in US: the disregard for traditional gender roles is the most extreme in America, and much more son within women than in men. You know it's true: men are sill expected to be stuck in their traditional gender roles while women are supposed to be whatever they want to be .

 

That's great in the grand scheme of things, but that doesn't make them great relationship material. Oh, and by traditional gender roles I don't mean barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, but soft, kind and welcomming, and creating comfort in the relationship, while the guy's role is being a bit more in charge, taking care of business kind of thing. Oh, and women don't need to give up their careers or interests to be pleasant to be aroun . So, more than anything, it's attitude that guys are raging about . There need to be complementary roles in a relationsip. Two pairs of balls are not it . Really, who would want to date a dude with a vagina?

 

 

Well, I can tell you my man would NOT be happy if I suddenly said, "Ya know honey, I think we should go to a more traditional way of living," and quit my job to be a stay at home mom and homemaker.

 

I don't know what OTHER people's "expectations" are. All I know is what mine are. I don't know how most OTHER women behave, but I know how I behave. I treat my man wonderfully, and he appreciates it.

[Jersey Shortie]

Bottom line here is that I'm not making up fantasies, I go and do and I'm telling you that by and large the dating experience most places overseas is superior in every way. I date both foreign and domestic and while it's logistically a lot easier to date locally the experience makes the extra effort of dating foreigners worth the extra mile. Or rather, the extra kilometers.

 

*I* am sure because *I* go out and do both.

 

I've been in the company of many foreigners and never heard a foreign man say foreign women were better. There are differences, and that's fine. I think it's great to date outside your culture. That isn't my issue. It's the presumption that somehow things are easier in another land/culture and the venom and bitterness of American men having the audacity to make assumptions about American women and fail to acknowledge their own faults. It's just logically untrue to make the assertion that is being made. Divorce rates and relationship problems are not mearly an American past time.

 

How are those relationships working out for you anyway Clv? Are you still stringing alont the two or three ladies? Time is a-ticking.

[Jersey Shortie]

That's great in the grand scheme of things, but that doesn't make them great relationship material. Oh, and by traditional gender roles I don't mean barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, but soft, kind and welcomming, and creating comfort in the relationship, while the guy's role is being a bit more in charge, taking care of business kind of thing. Oh, and women don't need to give up their careers or interests to be pleasant to be aroun . So, more than anything, it's attitude that guys are raging about . There need to be complementary roles in a relationsip. Two pairs of balls are not it . Really, who would want to date a dude with a vagina?

 

I DO agree that there can be an unattractive attitude women have today sometimes. And women aren't always the soft nuturing creatures of the black and white films of the past. But the truth is alot of men today don't want to really be men. They don't want the responsibility of sheltering and protecting women. A woman has to be on her own guard and protect herself. Unfotunetly, she does get *harder* for it. And men's attitudes today are not any more attractive. Selfish and self centered. So while I agree with you, I don't agree how you only want to address a woman's role and attitude and make no mention of the ways American men contribute to the situation. We don't want to date grown adult men who have frat boy mentalities. And sadly, alot of men today do.

[donnamaybe]

I DO agree that there can be an unattractive attitude women have today sometimes. And women aren't always the soft nuturing creatures of the black and white films of the past. But the truth is alot of men today don't want to really be men. They don't want the responsibility of sheltering and protecting women. A woman has to be on her own guard and protect herself. Unfotunetly, she does get *harder* for it. And men's attitudes today are not any more attractive. Selfish and self centered. So while I agree with you, I don't agree how you only want to address a woman's role and attitude and make no mention of the ways American men contribute to the situation. We don't want to date grown adult men who have frat boy mentalities. And sadly, alot of men today do.

 

GREAT POST! PERFECT!!!!

[clv0116]

Well, I can tell you my man would NOT be happy if I suddenly ... quit my job to be a stay at home mom and homemaker.

 

Of course not, it's a sad economic fact of modern life that only a small number of men are capable of being a sole breadwinner capable of providing a good standard of living and only the most attractive women can manage to pair off with such men for the most part.

 

People have to make do with the best they can get.

[Jersey Shortie]

Of course not, it's a sad economic fact of modern life that only a small number of men are capable of being a sole breadwinner capable of providing a good standard of living and only the most attractive women can manage to pair off with such men for the most part.

 

 

In a day and age where women are working, that's rather untrue.

[donnamaybe]

In a day and age where women are working, that's rather untrue.

 

"...only the most attractive women..." LMFAOROTF!!!!!

 

Perhaps this is more like it, "...only the most attractive women who are into money first and foremost and don't care whether the guy is butt ugly or not..."