Should American men stop dating American women?

[Jaytb]

I've always heard Europeans were awesome lovers....Although I've always heard they were big cheaters too

 

I would be happy sharing a hot aussie man

 

Alright then. Since there's about 14 Americans to 1 Australian, that means you'll have to share your one Australian with 13 other women. You cool with that?

[sotired]

Hmmm....Not so much.

 

I guess I'll stick with my momma's boy, video game playing lazy american man.

[Jaytb]

Hmmm....Not so much.

 

I guess I'll stick with my momma's boy, video game playing lazy american man.

 

With what you said about Euros and Australians, I am reminded how American women are usually so specific in their tastes of men. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but consider that many American men would date just about woman from anywhere on the planet. Asians, latinas, Europeans, Middle Eastern, Africans. Compare this to women who almost always only want Americans, and occasionally Europeans and Australians. Interesting, n'est-ce pas?

[serial muse]

Dude. Go right ahead and date whoever you want already. No need to make a federal case out of it. What's with all of this pointless drama?

[westernxer]

I like American women, but they don't like me.

[Jake Barnes]

I feel your pain Westernxr

 

Someone mentioned Brazilians. Whne I lived in South Florida I found Latin girls to be some of the most uppity girls Ive ever met. The only ones who could compete with them in terms of entitlement were the black girls

 

Thats a generalization I want to make that clear. I dated a wonderful black girl who was born here and of Haitian-Jamaican ancestry many moons ago and my mother is Cuban born and a wonderful woman

 

But I did find a lot of "b*tches" in the Latin culture, in fact playing the princessa is a big part of that feminity Samspade mentioned

 

The girls Ive clicked most with tend to be bookish girls from the English speaking world. I think Id rather be alone than be with someone who doesn't speak the same langauge very well and comes from a totally different background. Nothing against them

 

It seems that some of this search to find women from other cultures and blaming American women is some type of escapism which has a lack of confidence underlying it

[You'reasian]

I guess I'll stick with my momma's boy, video game playing lazy american man....

 

Whatever floats your boat.

 

I might add that women within America are different too - been involved with women who were overall great partners, very thoughtful, funny and easy to get along with and great lovers too.

 

I wouldn't make it a point to travel so far just to look for fun and cool women, when I'm sure there's some venue somewhere you haven't explored in your city where you can find 'em.

 

Location is also important. Some cities are better than others for meeting females. Small towns aren't that great IMHO - a good small to medium sized city is a good starting point - big cities? they're better than small towns but saturated with the kinds of women the OP was talking about.

 

The OP does speak truth about women overseas; they tend to make dating much more enjoyable for us guys and easier too - but women here could say the same thing -

 

I'm sure American women would go crazy for a fit and wealthy Arab man. See it happen frequently.

 

He would pay for her to do whatever she wants, woo her easily - make her life easy - and probably not mind the other girlfriends that he has (but they wouldn't like her one bit LOL). Too bad women don't enjoy the same social status overseas that they do here.

[Ruby Slippers]

I lived in two different European countries a few years back and had more male attention than I could handle. I think it was mostly because I was American and "exotic", and I actually spoke the languages fluently -- very rare for an American.

 

Compared to your average American guy, these guys were in ridiculously good physical shape, well-read, and gentlemanly. One of my guys had just run a marathon and invited me to take a weekend trip to Paris with him, as he had won the trip from his "fitness center".

[You'reasian]

Compared to your average American guy, these guys were in ridiculously good physical shape, well-read, and gentlemanly. One of my guys had just run a marathon and invited me to take a weekend trip to Paris with him, as he had won the trip from his "fitness center".

 

I don't think these traits are rated very highly among women here in the States.

 

A guy who is in ridiculously good physical shape, well-read and gentlemanly would score big time overseas and probably not any better than the average joe here at home.

[Trialbyfire]

I don't think these traits are rated very highly among women here in the States.

 

A guy who is in ridiculously good physical shape, well-read and gentlemanly would score big time overseas and probably not any better than the average joe here at home.

I dunno about that. They're highly rated in Canada and we're just across the border, sharing a lot of social similarities.

[Jake Barnes]

I don't think these traits are rated very highly among women here in the States.

 

A guy who is in ridiculously good physical shape, well-read and gentlemanly would score big time overseas and probably not any better than the average joe here at home.

You think so?

 

What makes you think that?

 

In my experience educated women tend to highly value these qualities

[Jake Barnes]

I dunno about that. They're highly rated in Canada and we're just across the border, sharing a lot of social similarities.

It isn't any different

 

Educated women tend to value education and manners and non educated women probably do to to a certain extent unless theyre truly ignorant

 

This kind of thinking is what eventually leads sad, lonley old men to search the internet for mail order brides

 

Not saying the OP is anything like that yet, but that kind of thinking can lead to a very unrealistic view of things

[You'reasian]

I dunno about that. They're highly rated in Canada and we're just across the border, sharing a lot of social similarities.

 

Canadian women seem more relaxed about dating - probably a little more like European women.

 

I think I figured it out.

 

American women are very specific about what they like and are more trait-focused. He's got to be this tall or taller, make xxxxxx per year or he must have this level of education or above, 'this' color eyes. Their general disposition about men is sometimes more competitive, intimidated etc.

 

Canadian and European women look at the big picture. The guy might not have a college education, but he is trying to become a master at his trade, he's fun, he's well read. Their general disposition about the opposte sex is that they like men and are glad to be around them.

[Trialbyfire]

It isn't any different

 

Educated women tend to value education and manners and non educated women probably do to to a certain extent unless theyre truly ignorant

 

This kind of thinking is what eventually leads sad, lonley old men to search the internet for mail order brides

 

Not saying the OP is anything like that yet, but that kind of thinking can lead to a very unrealistic view of things

I've yet to see a well-mannered, well-read man have difficulties with women unless they're not bothering to ask anyone out or even trying to get a date. Then, it's not an issue of the above traits, more an issue of a lack of confidence or some form of negative perspective, towards women.

[Trialbyfire]

Canadian women seem more relaxed about dating - probably a little more like European women.

 

I think I figured it out.

 

American women are very specific about what they like and are more trait-focused. He's got to be this tall or taller, make xxxxxx per year or he must have this level of education or above, 'this' color eyes. Their general disposition about men is sometimes more competitive, intimidated etc.

 

Canadian and European women look at the big picture. The guy might not have a college education, but he is trying to become a master at his trade, he's fun, he's well read. Their general disposition about the opposte sex is that they like men and are glad to be around them.

I still don't agree, especially if you consider my 4' long laundry list for men. My female friends are almost as bad in how particular they are, about who they get involved with.

[samspade]

It seems that some of this search to find women from other cultures and blaming American women is some type of escapism which has a lack of confidence underlying it

 

Unless you are talking about the sad lonely men who meet foreign women online (who usually wind up being impoverished hookers), I don't think there is a lack of confidence beneath traveling and meeting foreign women. Just don't let it be at the expense of meeting American women when you spend most of your time in the States.

 

It never ceases to amaze me that people in other countries who have so much less (material-wise) seem so much happier than many Americans. Perhaps we are spoiled and soft here.

 

Anyway, I recommend everyone have at least one foreign fling. It will change your perspective. Luckily, I live in NYC and can meet a lot of foreign women any day of the week.

[carhill]

Anyway, I recommend everyone have at least one foreign fling. It will change your perspective.

Yep, did that and it opened my eyes culturally. Being completely immersed and open is what facilitated that awareness. No familiarity to hang onto. Helped my confidence immensely.

[You'reasian]

European women seem more down to earth and easier to get along with, but then again, so are many women from the midwest.

[GorillaTheater]

Having lived for long periods in both Michigan and Texas (and other states for briefer periods), I've got to state a preference for Texas women (of whatever shade or hue). They seem (largely) to simply have an inate friendliness, openess, and sexiness. And no, I'm not a native Texan, so "regionalism" isn't much of a factor.

[loser101]

speaking from experience: people are blinded by the exotic factor. cultural differences can be very subtle and for a long term relationship can be overwhelming.

 

I am European and I had serious relationships with English, Australian and Spanish men and flings with a South African, Aussies, Brits and Eastern Europeans.

 

It's great fun but it's easy to underestimate how something that you take for granted would disturb the other person.

[St. Nick]

Seems to me that you are whining more about how you might acutally have to put some work into respecting a woman. Seems to me that you jsut want everything to come your way easy. Don't want to spend a drop of money on a girl, want her to spread her legs easily, don't want to put in any effort in respecting her or giving her the things she might need. Sorry, but the gender that is coming off spoiled and selfish here isn't American women.

What's wrong with wanting everything to come easy in a relationship? You act like a relationship should be challenging, frustrating, and hair-raising. See, you've been conditioned by the American social system to think paying for yourself on a date and having sex on the first date without a bunch of hassle is "being easy". In your opinion that's a big no-no. I don't have a problem with her paying for herself and not being a prude about having sex on the first date. German women believe independence is about being responsible for yourself and making your own decisions. American women think independence is to challenge men because in their messed up mind men are always trying to "take advantage of them".

 

Yeah right. Why American women think paying for themselves and being adults and losing prudery about sex is "taking advantage" of them is beyond me.

 

Foreign women (in most countries) are more feminine than American women; it's also true that foreign men are more masculine than American men. This country has blurred masculinity and femininity to such an extent that we have hordes of bitter, manly single women and bitter, wussy single men who can't figure out how to behave. Then they wonder why they're single and sexless.

 

It's no wonder we find men and women in other (usually developing) countries alluring.

 

And, for the record, I don't have to spend a lot of money to date or sleep with an American girl. If you're dating a woman who expects fancy dinners and gifts before she'll put out, you're dating a gold digger at best, and YOU are allowing yourself to be taken for a ride. The majority of women I've dated want to be with me for me, not for my bank account (which isn't even impressive, trust me, there's nothing to dig for). If you learn how to attract women properly, you can weed out the ones looking for free meals and date the quality women who are actually interested in you - and it won't cost you very much at all.

Yes, our gender roles are blurred, sadly. That I definitely agree with you on. The problem I have with you is the bolded part. The quality women who aren't materialistic are a tiny minority among American women. Can you blame a guy for getting tired looking? And here is another thing, I didn't even have any sort of "game" or "seduction method" to pick up the German and Turkish girl. I didn't put on poofy cologne, talk about random bull, use pick-up lines, or any of the other tricks American men have to go through just to get to second base. I was in the bookstore where I met the German girl, I talked about German history, and boom, got a date, dinner, movie, and sex within 24 hours. No hassle. The same with the Turkish girl. I talked about Turkish culture with her and we went from there. Every and I mean EVERY American guy knows the whole, "just be yourself" line American women give is bull. So we come up with all these elaborate and nauseating rituals (like waiting at least 2 days before calling her, which is something I didn't have to do) just to hold their attention. With the German and Turkish girl I was myself and *gasp* IT ACTUALLY WORKED!

 

Dude. Go right ahead and date whoever you want already. No need to make a federal case out of it. What's with all of this pointless drama?

Are you a guy or girl?

[Jake Barnes]

What's wrong with wanting everything to come easy in a relationship? You act like a relationship should be challenging, frustrating, and hair-raising. See, you've been conditioned by the American social system to think paying for yourself on a date and having sex on the first date without a bunch of hassle is "being easy". In your opinion that's a big no-no. I don't have a problem with her paying for herself and not being a prude about having sex on the first date. German women believe independence is about being responsible for yourself and making your own decisions. American women think independence is to challenge men because in their messed up mind men are always trying to "take advantage of them".

 

Yeah right. Why American women think paying for themselves and being adults and losing prudery about sex is "taking advantage" of them is beyond me.

 

 

Yes, our gender roles are blurred, sadly. That I definitely agree with you on. The problem I have with you is the bolded part. The quality women who aren't materialistic are a tiny minority among American women. Can you blame a guy for getting tired looking? And here is another thing, I didn't even have any sort of "game" or "seduction method" to pick up the German and Turkish girl. I didn't put on poofy cologne, talk about random bull, use pick-up lines, or any of the other tricks American men have to go through just to get to second base. I was in the bookstore where I met the German girl, I talked about German history, and boom, got a date, dinner, movie, and sex within 24 hours. No hassle. The same with the Turkish girl. I talked about Turkish culture with her and we went from there. Every and I mean EVERY American guy knows the whole, "just be yourself" line American women give is bull. So we come up with all these elaborate and nauseating rituals (like waiting at least 2 days before calling her, which is something I didn't have to do) just to hold their attention. With the German and Turkish girl I was myself and *gasp* IT ACTUALLY WORKED!

 

 

Are you a guy or girl?

You didnt have a relationship with these women

 

Why are you making it a virtue that they had no strings sex with you within 24 hours?

 

I dont want a gf like that

 

Im glad im in America

[Untouchable_Fire]

Canadian women seem more relaxed about dating - probably a little more like European women.

I think I figured it out.

American women are very specific about what they like and are more trait-focused. He's got to be this tall or taller, make xxxxxx per year or he must have this level of education or above, 'this' color eyes. Their general disposition about men is sometimes more competitive, intimidated etc.

Canadian and European women look at the big picture. The guy might not have a college education, but he is trying to become a master at his trade, he's fun, he's well read. Their general disposition about the opposte sex is that they like men and are glad to be around them.

 

My experience with Canadian women has been 100% positive. I think they are very different from Europeans.

 

I find that American women tend to vary widely based on region and background. But I do agree that in a lot of ways what your saying about them is true. For some reason they tend to think of guys as pieces and not a whole. They are also way too enamored with fame and money... but I think that is because American MEN are too!

 

Usually I try to hold back on making broad generalizations... but the Western Euro girls I've known and dated did not impress me. If you like European culture... you should like european women. That is my assessment of it.

 

Personally, I'm not a giant fan of European culture. My ancestors left that cesspool for a reason. If you could turn insecurity, guilt, and passive aggressiveness into a culture... it would look just like western europe.

[mr.dream merchant]

What's wrong with wanting everything to come easy in a relationship? You act like a relationship should be challenging, frustrating, and hair-raising. See, you've been conditioned by the American social system to think paying for yourself on a date and having sex on the first date without a bunch of hassle is "being easy". In your opinion that's a big no-no. I don't have a problem with her paying for herself and not being a prude about having sex on the first date. German women believe independence is about being responsible for yourself and making your own decisions. American women think independence is to challenge men because in their messed up mind men are always trying to "take advantage of them".

 

Yeah right. Why American women think paying for themselves and being adults and losing prudery about sex is "taking advantage" of them is beyond me.

 

 

Yes, our gender roles are blurred, sadly. That I definitely agree with you on. The problem I have with you is the bolded part. The quality women who aren't materialistic are a tiny minority among American women. Can you blame a guy for getting tired looking? And here is another thing, I didn't even have any sort of "game" or "seduction method" to pick up the German and Turkish girl. I didn't put on poofy cologne, talk about random bull, use pick-up lines, or any of the other tricks American men have to go through just to get to second base. I was in the bookstore where I met the German girl, I talked about German history, and boom, got a date, dinner, movie, and sex within 24 hours. No hassle. The same with the Turkish girl. I talked about Turkish culture with her and we went from there. Every and I mean EVERY American guy knows the whole, "just be yourself" line American women give is bull. So we come up with all these elaborate and nauseating rituals (like waiting at least 2 days before calling her, which is something I didn't have to do) just to hold their attention. With the German and Turkish girl I was myself and *gasp* IT ACTUALLY WORKED!

 

 

Are you a guy or girl?

 

Agreed, so so soooo agreed.

[serial muse]

Are you a guy or girl?

 

Will your response to me be different, depending? Interesting.