Fossil Discovery Hailed as Link Between Monkey and Man

[Rooster_DAR]

Interesting turn of events.

 

http://news.sky.com

 

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/Fossil-Discovery-Hailed-as-Link-Between-Monkey-and-Man.html

 

I need to see the evidence, hopefully they can produce it. Just one more step in showing Darwin was right possibly.

 

 

Cheers!

[quankanne]

interestingly enough, her name is "Ida" ... as in "Ida Know" :lmao:

 

would be fascinating to see if this were truly a link supporting evolutionary science, especially seeing where we've ended up know.

 

gonna blow a lot of minds, but I don't think it'll do away with the Bible, which details man's spiritual evolution, IMO.

[Rooster_DAR]

Agreed,

 

Still a lot of work to be done in this area, but if this proves to be what they are purporting, it will be an awesome step in the theory of evolution becoming an observable fact.

 

I'm excited!

[Enema]

You're slightly confused with scientific terminology.

 

"Evolution" is a fact.

The "Theory of Evolution" seeks to explain that fact.

 

That evolution occurs is under absolutely no credible doubt, it has been observed many times.

 

Theories can never be proven, they simply get supported by more and more evidence. There is no scientific theory that has more supporting evidence than evolution.

 

Hope that helps.

[Rooster_DAR]

I stand corrected,

 

You are right, I suppose I'm referring the evolution and the origin of man from a primate ancestor. To me it it's very clear, but there are some many skeptics out there that won't accept transitional forms at all.

 

Cheers!

[quankanne]

would it help if I post photos of family members? We got some throwbacks, as far as I'm concerned

[disgracian]

There's a web of scientists on Youtube that have made some excellent educational videos on the subject. Check out Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists" playlist as well as AronRa's "Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism" (linked to from Thunderf00t's channel).

 

For the sake of balance, I would have referred also to Youtube's most popular creationist (VenomFangX) but he has, after having his account disabled multiple times (the last one in relation to collecting charitable donations for a childrens' hospital, only to keep the money for himself), flown the coop, alleging that Muslims are threatening his family.

 

Cheers,

D.

[NoIDidn't]

Ugh! Evolution is not a fact. It is only a theory. A theory that I think has lots of basis in truth, but that doesn't make it a fact.

 

Scientists have made similar claims in the past and only ended up announcing that the so-called *link* was yet another "species" by itself.

 

(And, no I don't have links, the info I am mentally referencing is practically from when I was in high school. Just take my theory as *fact*, okay. lol)

[Enema]

Ugh! Evolution is not a fact. It is only a theory. A theory that I think has lots of basis in truth, but that doesn't make it a fact.

 

Scientists have made similar claims in the past and only ended up announcing that the so-called *link* was yet another "species" by itself.

 

(And, no I don't have links, the info I am mentally referencing is practically from when I was in high school. Just take my theory as *fact*, okay. lol)

 

Read my post above, then do your own research.

 

You are hopelessly uninformed on this topic.

[NoIDidn't]

Read my post above, then do your own research.

 

You are hopelessly uninformed on this topic.

 

Insults will not help you make your case, Enema.

 

Theories can and have been proven and disproven. Evidence can be gathered to support and to disprove. You should get your facts straight.

 

As a scientist in my own right, I've already done my research, tyvm.

[Enema]

Theories can and have been proven and disproven. Evidence can be gathered to support and to disprove. You should get your facts straight.

 

To repeat myself: Theories cannot be proven, they are merely supported with more and more evidence.

 

Theories can be shown incorrect, I have not said otherwise.

 

To date, there is not a single piece of evidence that contradicts the TOE.

 

IOW - Put up or shut up.

[NoIDidn't]

To repeat myself: Theories cannot be proven, they are merely supported with more and more evidence.

 

Theories can be shown incorrect, I have not said otherwise.

 

To date, there is not a single piece of evidence that contradicts the TOE.

 

IOW - Put up or shut up.

 

How about you take your own advice and shut up.

 

You have just validated what I said. TOE is NOT a fact if it can be proven/shown incorrect.

 

Tomayto, tomato. If it can be shown incorrect, it can be shown correct - thus proven. I've written many proofs when I had to do actual research. So obviously a theory CAN be proven.

[Enema]

You have just validated what I said. TOE is NOT a fact if it can be proven/shown incorrect.

 

To repeat myself again as comprehension is not one of your strong suits:

 

"Evolution" - fact.

"Theory of Evolution" - seeks to explain the fact.

 

These are two separate things.

 

The Theory of Evolution can be shown incorrect. That Evolution occurs is a fact and cannot be disproven.

 

I cannot dumb this down further. Good luck, I'm out.

[NoIDidn't]

To repeat myself: Theories cannot be proven, they are merely supported with more and more evidence.

 

Theories can be shown incorrect, I have not said otherwise.

 

To date, there is not a single piece of evidence that contradicts the TOE.

 

IOW - Put up or shut up.

 

And my last on this item is this: you stated that evolution is fact. That's a strong statement. The truth is, evolution is accepted as fact.

 

You are probably correct in stating that no evidence currently contradicts the TOE. All the same, though, there is no evidence that actually completely supports it either.

 

Evolution is said to occur over thousands of years. The only "proof" we really have of it is in fossilized remains, which can and have been misinterpretted. Take the case a few years back where scientists were so certain that they'd found another link in the ape/human connection. Turns out, it was an old man with severe athritis upon further inspection. Or where they right the first time?

 

So, I don't think it can be said that evolution has truly be observed to occur. What can be observed, and I think has been, is extinction.

 

I stand firmly between both "camps" believing that we were first created and conditions on the planet led us to evolve. So I am not one to say that Evolution (or its Theory) is false. I simply don't think that "accepted as true" is the same thing as "true". KWIM?

[NoIDidn't]

I cannot dumb this down further. Good luck, I'm out.

 

 

Again, with the insults.

 

I guess you are Devolving?

 

Bye.

[Lovelybird]

And my last on this item is this: you stated that evolution is fact. That's a strong statement. The truth is, evolution is accepted as fact.

 

You are probably correct in stating that no evidence currently contradicts the TOE. All the same, though, there is no evidence that actually completely supports it either.

 

Evolution is said to occur over thousands of years. The only "proof" we really have of it is in fossilized remains, which can and have been misinterpretted. Take the case a few years back where scientists were so certain that they'd found another link in the ape/human connection. Turns out, it was an old man with severe athritis upon further inspection. Or where they right the first time?

 

So, I don't think it can be said that evolution has truly be observed to occur. What can be observed, and I think has been, is extinction.

 

I stand firmly between both "camps" believing that we were first created and conditions on the planet led us to evolve. So I am not one to say that Evolution (or its Theory) is false. I simply don't think that "accepted as true" is the same thing as "true". KWIM?

Very well said

[disgracian]

Ugh! Evolution is not a fact. It is only a theory.

I think you need to start watching those videos, or at least reading the Wikipedia entry on scientific theories.

 

Cheers,

D.

[disgracian]

Evolution is said to occur over thousands of years.

Not by anybody who is even remotely informed on the subject. Earlier you claimed to be a scientist. I find that very difficult to believe. What field?

The only "proof" we really have of it is in fossilized remains, which can and have been misinterpretted.

I suppose you've been asleep at the wheel for DNA.

So, I don't think it can be said that evolution has truly be observed to occur.

Except that it has. Quit while you're behind.

 

Cheers,

D.

[Moai]

And my last on this item is this: you stated that evolution is fact. That's a strong statement. The truth is' date=' evolution is accepted as fact.[/quote']

 

Evolution is as much a fact as gravity. In fact, we understand evolution ,uch better than we understand gravity.

 

You are probably correct in stating that no evidence currently contradicts the TOE. All the same, though, there is no evidence that actually completely supports it either.

 

For all intents and purposes, all the evidence we have supports our current model. On the cutting edge there are "t"'s to be crossed and "i"s to be dotted, but that is true of every scientific theory we have.

 

Evolution is said to occur over thousands of years.

 

Wrong. It is happening all the time everywhere. Large morphological changes do take hundreds of thousands to millions of years, smaller incremental changes less time. Also, the more primitive the life form the quicker it adapts.

 

The only "proof" we really have of it is in fossilized remains, which can and have been misinterpretted.

 

We also have DNA evidence, morphological evidence, as well as examples f speciation we have witnessed, both in the lab and in the wild.

 

Take the case a few years back where scientists were so certain that they'd found another link in the ape/human connection. Turns out, it was an old man with severe athritis upon further inspection. Or where they right the first time?

 

Could you provide a link to this event? I have never heard of it.

 

I have heard of Piltdown Man, though. British scientists were trying to somehow show that early homo sapiens originated in England. This was greeted skeptically, yet their findings and interpretations were published. Some time later, though, other scientists got a look at their evidence and realized that they were not fossilized homo sapiens at all.

 

How could they tell? Because the bones did not fit the previous, verified evidence. It was evolutionary biologists that discovered the fraud, not creationists, dowsers, or journalists. In fact, if the claim to which you refer actually happened, it was an anthropologist or biologist who debunked the claim. This shows how rock solid our current theory is, not how weak.

 

So, I don't think it can be said that evolution has truly be observed to occur. What can be observed, and I think has been, is extinction.

 

I am not sure why you perceive them as being exclusive. Something like 99% of all life that has ever existed is extinct. Forms that cannot adapt die, those with successful adaptations live. And on and on as long as there is life.

 

We can observe evolution both directly and indirectly. I did not witnes you write your post, but I can surmise that at some point prior to this moment you must have, or the post would not exist.

 

The TOE has predictive value as well. Scientists went and looked for the fish/tetrapod hybrid that we had yet to find, though we had fossils from before and after. They suspected that this transitional could be found around 375 million years ago. They went to an area of the Earth where that strata is accessible and Lo! there it was! They named it Tiktaalik

 

Here's a great article about it:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiktaalik

 

I stand firmly between both "camps" believing that we were first created and conditions on the planet led us to evolve. So I am not one to say that Evolution (or its Theory) is false. I simply don't think that "accepted as true" is the same thing as "true". KWIM?

 

There is no evidence to suggest that we were specifically created--or any lifeform was, for that matter. How life arose is not a subject addressed by evolution anyway, as it only takes place once there is life. No life, no evolution.

 

Evolution is as true as a spherical earth, gravity, relativity, quantum reality, and the boiling point of water--either Celsius, Fahrenheit, or Kelvin.

[Rooster_DAR]

Ugh! Evolution is not a fact. It is only a theory. A theory that I think has lots of basis in truth, but that doesn't make it a fact.

 

Scientists have made similar claims in the past and only ended up announcing that the so-called *link* was yet another "species" by itself.

 

(And, no I don't have links, the info I am mentally referencing is practically from when I was in high school. Just take my theory as *fact*, okay. lol)

 

Go back to college and take a biology class or something, dude you are way off with this thinking.

 

Evolution is a fact, it's seen both in transitional forms as well as the microbe world. How do you think drug resistant TB came to be? It evolved and adapted by creating offspring that could survive the toxins of penicillin. This is direct proof that life does evolve.

 

And let's not forget about other recent discoveries in China of part bird and part dinosaur creatures such as Archaeopteryx, which indicate that some dinosaurs evolved into birds.

 

There is significant evidence that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs

 

Cheers!

[quankanne]

holy cow, I'd hate for that to crap on MY windshield!

 

hooray for evolution and its shrinking effect!

[NoIDidn't]

I don't have time to address the specifics in all of your arguments and insults, but I have already said my piece on this.

 

Carry on with looking to find fault with my opinion of what evolution is or isn't. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

For Moai, I already said that the info I do have is very old (concerning the finding that turned out to be athritis). Please feel free to look it up for yourself. I came by that information before I actually learned to surf the internet.

 

For what its worth (and to give you all more fuel for your inability to disagree without insults), I find it hard to observe adaptation and claim its evolution. So when I take a detour due to roadwork or other diversions, I am somehow evolving? I get that organisms developing immunity to drugs is considered evolving, but evolution for having a working immune system? I think not.

 

Have at it, oh most intolerant of disagreement. LOL.

[NoIDidn't]

Could you provide a link to this event? I have never heard of it.

 

I have heard of Piltdown Man, though. British scientists were trying to somehow show that early homo sapiens originated in England. This was greeted skeptically, yet their findings and interpretations were published. Some time later, though, other scientists got a look at their evidence and realized that they were not fossilized homo sapiens at all.

 

How could they tell? Because the bones did not fit the previous, verified evidence. It was evolutionary biologists that discovered the fraud, not creationists, dowsers, or journalists. In fact, if the claim to which you refer actually happened, it was an anthropologist or biologist who debunked the claim. This shows how rock solid our current theory is, not how weak.

 

I bolded the part that I want to address.

 

I never said a creationist debunked anything. In fact, I didn't say who proved it wrong at all. I just said that it was proven wrong. Stop putting words into my mouth/post. This is YOUR issue. The minute someone disagrees with evolution being irrefutable fact, they become an instant creationist in your camp.

 

I certainly appreciate your logic in many things I've seen you post, but you made an assumption here that I never said.

 

Now, I think I'm done (for now).

[Hi.P.O'Crit]

By definition a theory is just a guess that seems to be supported by observable evidence. Yes, there appears to be more evidence everyday but that doesn't make it fact. Yet.

 

Doubtful it will be proven as fact within any of our lifetimes.

[Rooster_DAR]

By definition a theory is just a guess that seems to be supported by observable evidence. Yes, there appears to be more evidence everyday but that doesn't make it fact. Yet.

 

Doubtful it will be proven as fact within any of our lifetimes.

 

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it's probably a duck.

 

I would be very surprised if all the research that's been done for so long proved to be wrong. It's accepted as a fact due to the overwhelming evidence to support it. If we can actually witness evolution of the microbial world, then that is prove of evolution itself.

 

I find it hard to observe adaptation and claim its evolution.

 

And yes, adaptation is a direct link to evolution as it's primarily what's driving evolution. They are so closely related you can pretty much Identify them as the same process.

 

Regards,