Author Lovelybird Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Lovelybird, had you heard of Shang Di before? Just wondering if the person the booklet speaks off is well known within Chinese culture. It would be good to know more because I know very little about Chinese culture and so cannot comprehend the cultural aspect/impact of the booklet. Take care, Eve xx I heard Shang Di before when I watched some movies describe ancient stories, some old clan of north part of China, they prayed to Shang Di, just at that time I had no idea who Shang Di is, and didn't pay much attention. We call God as Shang Di even now. Everybody knows the word Shang Di, but many just have vague concept, don't know the real story about Him Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lovelybird Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 In pointing out the atrocities of the crusades, pogroms, jihads, fatwahs, inquisitions, I was responding to your point that religion was responsible for great achievements. It doesn't say much for religion that people use it as an excuse for atrocity. Are you saying that those vast numbers of people, e.g. in the crusades, were not true believers? In the Second World War, even the Pope supported the Nazis - was he not a true believer? Are you saying that true believers do not commit atrocities (please read my next two comments before replying to this last question)? Only God knows whether they are true believers or not. Who said a Pope must be a true believer? Lord Jesus even said "when you knock the door of heaven, and say 'Lord, Lord, open door for me, didn't I preach the gospel? didn't I drive out evil spirit in your name?' but I would tell you, evil ones, I don't know you" One has to be born again to enter kingdom of heaven, one has to be regenerated to a new creature. I see from your reply that you - as a Christian - are defending ethnic cleansing because those people eliminated in the OT were irredeemably bad (according to what you have read in the bible or heard from your church). That just proves my previous point, you have taken your morals from the bible and you now countenance ethic cleansing. You are scary There are some ancient histories prove that their lifetyle was indeed evil. I think your view of point isn't balanced. God is justice and Holy. HE has rights to punish evil. HE rewards good with good, reward evil with patience, waiting them to repent. But we all know, if one did wrong things, the society can punish him. If one commited adultery, his consciense, his family and his wife will punish him. If one is too self-centered, he cannot have many real friends, not even one. It is called invisible laws. Human is ruled by selfishness and self-centerness, only the opposite of force (Spirit of God) can save human from themselves, science may improve conditions of living, it cannot improve morals. As for individual Lord required us not to repay evil with evil, but overcome evil with goodness. If you know what fruits Holy Spirit produces, you would know what a beautiful thing that surrender to God. The fruits of Holy Spirit is : goodness, peace, joy, kind, forgiveness, love, humble, gentle, self-control.... The fruits of flesh (the part that won't surrender to God, self-centerness) are: hatred, unforgiveness, strife, jealous, covet, lust, pride, self-exaltation.... So we can judge who a person follow by what fruits a person has. Link to post Share on other sites
NoIDidn't Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Not bashing just replying. Oh no, its bashing. Blaming HIM for everything bad, and asserting that HE does nothing good. Basically saying that people with religious beliefs have given their mental faculties leave (I agree with this sometimes, lol). And its the same old arguments. Mostly using the Old Testament and the things it reports to somehow paint the picture of this angry, despot god. Link to post Share on other sites
dunstable Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Only God knows whether they are true believers or not. Who said a Pope must be a true believer? You are a true believer and you stated several times now that it can be justified to carry out ethnic cleansing. There are some ancient histories prove that their lifetyle was indeed evil. There you go again, justifying destruction of entire communities and peoples on the basis of some unproven collective guilt. I will think of you as Scarybird not Lovelybird from now on. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lovelybird Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 You are a true believer and you stated several times now that it can be justified to carry out ethnic cleansing. There you go again, justifying destruction of entire communities and peoples on the basis of some unproven collective guilt. I will think of you as Scarybird not Lovelybird from now on. that is your understanding, but think whatever you want Link to post Share on other sites
dunstable Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Oh no, its bashing. Blaming HIM for everything bad, and asserting that HE does nothing good. Basically saying that people with religious beliefs have given their mental faculties leave (I agree with this sometimes, lol). And its the same old arguments. Mostly using the Old Testament and the things it reports to somehow paint the picture of this angry, despot god. I don't blame HIM for everything bad as he doesn't exist but I do blame organized religion for persecutions, immorality, deception, dishonesty, time wasting, money wasting, and holding back science to the best of its ability. People use the Old Testament for guidance today as it is still part of the bible - LB has said several times the ethnic cleansing described in the OT was justified. It saddens me that some people today take their morals from such inappropriate sources. Link to post Share on other sites
Island Girl Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Not bashing just replying. Apparently there are those that see replying in a discussion as wrong. And those that see debating a subject as wrong or bashing when it absolutely isn't. There are plenty of us reading that are enjoying your posts. You've uncovered startling comments. CHEERS! Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 Yes, what Island Girl said is correct. Christians assume the right and divine commendation to proselytise, but somehow react indignantly when others challenge that right and take it as a personal affront. if Christians wish to exercise the right to proclaim their truth, then they must accept the fact that they will be challenged upon many aspects. And so they should be. It is in this way that discussions and debates ensue. Which is what forums like this one, are for. There is a difference between debating and bashing. Unfortunately, many of those in a position of being asked to justify certain matters, cannot see the distinction. Link to post Share on other sites
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