Do you think we're (humans) meant to be monogamous?

[Jersey Shortie]

I've never bought into that argument, simply because biologically wired essentially means it's behavior that promotes procreation. Fact is that for the vast majority of humanity and history successful procreation involved a lot more than impregnation. Knocking someone up does NOT ensure the caveman will have grandchildren someday.

 

Being a responsible parent will go a lot further. I believe this is why human societies almost Universally promote pair bonds, and why humans appear to be wired to pair bond for long enough to raise kids.

 

Hello, I said this a few posts back.

[NoIDidn't]

Hello, I said this a few posts back.

 

 

LOL. It might have been a few pages back and he might have missed it. At least he said it differently. LOL.

 

Either way, I agree with it.

[Sam Spade]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? . And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't coexist.

[clv0116]

Hello, I said this a few posts back.

 

Even you can't be troubled to look it up I guess.

[angie2443]

Great post!!! That's it exactly!! Biologically wired means its for procreation and PROTECTION!!!!

 

Lion males are not monogamous, but the females are because they get food, protection, and babies out of the deal. Most men that claim "biology" aren't trying to do any of those.

 

Female lions are not monogamous either. Once the older male lion or lions (sometimes they work in pairs) are run off by newer male lions, the females in the pride start familiarizing themselves with their new mates and soon send signals that they are ready to mate with them.

[Sam Spade]

Female lions are not monogamous either. Once the older male lion or lions (sometimes they work in pairs) are run off by newer male lions, the females in the pride start familiarizing themselves with their new mates and soon send signals that they are ready to mate with them.

 

Fine, bring it on. I'll still be bitch-slapping young lions when I'm 95 .

[sally4sara]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? . And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't coexist.

 

Most of the sex in porn is not the kind of sex that can bring a women to orgasm.

What you ask with your hopefully joking request is for women to be good mothers by bearing children and raising them up and to be good wives by forgoing any real pleasure within their sex life.

 

Would that be too much to ask of you even without giving birth?

[angie2443]

Fine, bring it on. I'll still be bitch-slapping young lions when I'm 95 .

 

You'd be dead long before then. They don't live that long.

[luvstarved]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? . And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't coexist.

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "women in porn"??

 

Do you mean the drug addicted single mothers with STDs that hate their

"jobs" but have no other skills or self-esteem and had horrifying childhoods

- the ones who pause between having to give blow jobs to smelly strangers to go slug on Jack, do drugs, throw up and/or chain smoke?

 

Or do you mean the more successful, attractive variety who live to

have sex with as many men as possible and center their universe around

their looks and egos and power over men, enjoying nothing more than the

thought of thousands of guys jerking off at the sight of them?

 

Or did you possibly mean a sexually vibrant open-minded women who

loves to please and be pleased because she trusts and feels respected

and appreciated by her partner?

[Jersey Shortie]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't co-exist.

 

I wish men wanted women to be themselves and not pander to a completely false and over the top fantasy that has less to do with true female pleasure and everything to do with false over the top male fantasies that don't really even treat women like they matter at all.

 

Sad that you actually want women to pander to a mundane stereotype that is repeated over and over again in porn instead of encouraging women to revel in their own personal feminity and sexuality.

 

But hey, why should you as a man care about actually learning about what interests real women. When you can just turn on your computer and pretend and live in lala world about what you wished women were instead of respecting women for who they really are.

 

By the way, at 95, you're not going to be able to kick a 12 year old girls ass , much less men in their prime when your about 5 decades over your prime.

[TaraMaiden]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? . And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't coexist.

 

What, all silicone and waxing, body make up and fake tans?

Or maybe you mean stitched up, repaired and put back together, because so much hard porn has destroyed their external and internal genitalia and colons, that they need a colostomy bag and will only have kids via caesarian because their vaginas are so messed up they no longer stretch?

That's not what you mean, is it?

You mean the ideal, fantasy perfect image of the hot bi*ch wanting more and more and never getting enough.

 

 

Yes.

It is too much to ask.

 

Get over it.

[redtail]

I wish all women were like the women in porn , but also good mothers and wives. Is that too much to ask? . And more importantly, I see no reason why the two can't coexist.

 

One: An obvious bait to get a reaction, possible attempt at humor.

Two: A shallow, self centered, naive person destined to unsatisfying relationships based on unrealistic notions of sexual fullfillment.

 

It seems to me we've strayed far from the question of monogamy and on to some strange justification for bad behavior. It should be obvious to most that these "desires" aren't the same as "instincts". Relationships that are desirable are those that are meaningful, lasting and fulfilling. Otherwise some chase a fantasy that never materializes in what they expect, and leaves them thinking that the world just isn't making them happy like it should.

[Jersey Shortie]

What, all silicone and waxing, body make up and fake tans?

 

If many men didn't like that look then it wouldn't be in porn. That's what men really want.

 

Doesn't sound like they want women to just be women. That's not good enough.

[GorillaTheater]

Given a choice between some women and a silicone-injected, waxed, fake-tanned life-sized Barbie doll, I'd certainly opt for the latter.

[redtail]

Given a choice between some women a silicone-injected, waxed, fake-tanned life-sized Barbie doll, I'd certainly opt for the latter.

 

You're mising a conjuction there but I think I get your point, some women aren't all you want them to be, so (back to the topic), monogamy for you is a "silicone-injected, waxed, fake-tanned life-sized Barbie doll"?

 

I wonder why this fantasy never seems to come true? In "real life", monogamous couples, at least those that society admires, are rarely that shallow.

 

And couples where both partners are examples of this exterior fantasy, rarely seem to stay monogamous. Because I'm certain that you're all that a "Barbie doll" would want too, right?

[GorillaTheater]

You're mising a conjuction there

 

Fixed moments before your post <whew>. I'll not be the one to point out certain spelling issues, though.

 

but I think I get your point, some women aren't all you want them to be, so (back to the topic), monogamy for you is a "silicone-injected, waxed, fake-tanned life-sized Barbie doll"?

 

No.

 

I wonder why this fantasy never seems to come true? In "real life", monogamous couples, at least those that society admires, are rarely that shallow.

 

And couples where both partners are examples of this exterior fantasy, rarely seem to stay monogamous. Because I'm certain that you're all that a "Barbie doll" would want too, right?

 

No.

[redtail]

Fixed moments before your post <whew>. .

 

Sorry, I just wanted to make sure I understood your point. Unlike spelling errors, omissions can make a post ambiguous.

 

I'll not be the one to point out certain spelling issues, though.

[NoIDidn't]

Female lions are not monogamous either. Once the older male lion or lions (sometimes they work in pairs) are run off by newer male lions, the females in the pride start familiarizing themselves with their new mates and soon send signals that they are ready to mate with them.

 

That qualifies for serial monogamy, right? They have one sex partner until he gets run off by another.

 

Monogamy isn't the same as mating for life, I don't think. Now you are making me actually have to look up "monogamy"! LOL

[angie2443]

That qualifies for serial monogamy, right? They have one sex partner until he gets run off by another.

 

Monogamy isn't the same as mating for life, I don't think. Now you are making me actually have to look up "monogamy"! LOL

 

Ah! I get where you're comming from now. Yes, it would be serial monogamy and so they don't stay with the same male forever.

 

I think what gets me about the old lion example is that most people (actually most guys) love to point out how one "guy" gets his pride/harem and so it is natural for males to have many women while a woman is just supposed to want one man only. IRL, it's a little more complicated than that.

[clv0116]

.... and so it is natural for males to have many women ....

 

No, there are no women involved, it's male and female LIONS. This is where their train runs off the tracks. The constraints lions face in procreation are substantially different from humans or penguins or blue whales. They have different strategies worked out in response to those pressures, strategies that seem to have settled on a 'local maxima', a place where their solution is satisfactory enough that it does not require change.

[NoIDidn't]

Ah! I get where you're comming from now. Yes, it would be serial monogamy and so they don't stay with the same male forever.

 

I think what gets me about the old lion example is that most people (actually most guys) love to point out how one "guy" gets his pride/harem and so it is natural for males to have many women while a woman is just supposed to want one man only. IRL, it's a little more complicated than that.

 

 

Actually, there's a big ole hole in their logic in using the lion example. Remember the old, weak, and feeble male usually loses his harem to a younger, more virile lion. No human male would accept that, even if he lost the fight. LOL

[Jersey Shortie]

Because many human men like to live with the ideology that even if they do age, they are still great fabulous men worthy of younger female companionship. Meanwhile telling their wives and gfs they *need* to look at porn of 2o year old girls because that's "biology". Gee, why isn't your wife bleeping you again? I wonder.

[clv0116]

Because many human men like to live with the ideology that even if they do age, they are still great fabulous men worthy of younger female companionship.

 

No need to be redundant, 'men' is adequate. As for older men dating younger women, that's probably a good reproductive strategy and has endured over a long period of time for that reason. Hate it or love it, it is what it is.

 

It also has nothing to do with the example cited no matter how much you love to twist it around, as noted in the animal kingdom when the dominant male becomes weak he is replaced.

 

Human society and reproductive challenges are different and different strategies are used to improve the odds of success.

[NoIDidn't]

No need to be redundant, 'men' is adequate. As for older men dating younger women, that's probably a good reproductive strategy and has endured over a long period of time for that reason. Hate it or love it, it is what it is.

 

It also has nothing to do with the example cited no matter how much you love to twist it around, as noted in the animal kingdom when the dominant male becomes weak he is replaced.

 

Human society and reproductive challenges are different and different strategies are used to improve the odds of success.

 

How is the "old man/younger woman" a good reproductive strategy? It only seems to benefit the "old man" the way I see it.

 

My great granny was 15 when she was married off to a 45 yo man. He died by the time she was 30 and they never had any children. And no, she wasn't infertile. His death left her alone at a time when she would have needed him and his earning capabilities the most - the start of the Depression.

 

I don't see this paring as a benefit to the woman, unless the man is rich and has it within his power to take care of her and any children they have from beyond the grave (LOL).

[clv0116]

How is the "old man/younger woman" a good reproductive strategy?

 

The fact that it's a commonly used strategy, particularly in less affluent areas and more primitive times, indicates it's probably effective. If not, it wouldn't be commonly used. As for 'how it benefits the woman', you're completely missing the point. The genes don't give 3 sh*ts about whether it benefits the man or woman, they just care about whether the children have children and so on.

 

I would guess it has to do with the older man being more likely to provide well and perhaps less likely to do something stupid and die due to inexperience. The pressures that reward this are possibly mostly gone in the last few moments of human history but our genome appears to remember.