"Men need women more than women need men"

[EddieN]

It does not happen often but on this I have to agree with Woggle. A successful relationship is an equal partnership with both bringing their various strengths, qualities & flaws into that. Forget all those powergames like the woman does not call first. Forget all the nonsense about "Don't do **** until the *th date". Just treat each other with respect and play fair.

 

I agree. But it seems to me that it is really rare that you have a truly equal balance like that. I have never achieved that, even though I always aspire to it.

 

Besides, this is what happens when you completely avoid games:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxpCyAZuGsk

[anne1707]

Besides, this is what happens when you completely avoid games:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxpCyAZuGsk

 

I know I said flaws but not that many

[c-riouz]

Of course men need women more than women need men. Proof: sex. Men are such slaves to their hormones that they even pay money to see women naked and to get some nookie. A whole porn, strip club and prostitution industry caters to them, but men don't need women. Rrrrrright. Just look at all the sexually-frustrated, whining 'my wife doesn't put out anymore'-threads on here. Men are so controlled by their sex drives; they make fools out themselves just to get a glimpse of a naked woman, or a pair of tits. Ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder if even men don't feel stupid that they are under such a strong influence (call it 'spell' ) and control by women. Men are, like I said, so horny that women cause such a rush of hormones going through their brains that their logic and reasoning skills go right out the window. Quite honestly, a woman can convince a man to do all sorts of bad or stupid things by getting him aroused sexually. And men always claim they are always so much more logical and rational than a woman. What a joke. Your brain goes right in your pants when you see a pair of tits. Total brain shutdown. In Plato's Republic Socrates says that when he finally lost his sex drive in old age, he felt as if he had been 'released from the jaws of a wild beast.' That says it all, doesn't it?

 

Women have extraordinary sexual power over men . Unless a woman has felt the same thing for another women, it's nearly impossible to explain the power of the p***y to take over male consciousness. When a woman knows this, however, it can be an extremely potent manipulation device. So, any man that prides himself on getting laid... ...is a fu.cking clown. Point blank. Women can use sex to enslave men so any man that brags about getting some is simply bragging about the whip (i.e. p***y) that the taskmaster (i.e. women) uses as an instrument to beat him into submission. Maybe that's why they call it being p***y-whipped?

 

Many people believe that men have the power in this world simply because they are bigger than woman and physically stronger than women. Of course, men have always been willing to use their overwhelming physical strength to dominate and control women. But while it is generally true that men are physically stronger than women, there is an even more powerful truth. Women have the sexual power on this planet. Usually, in a relationship, they carry the torch and decide the frequency of sex. (Like it or not. Guys know it's the truth, that's where much of their anger and contempt comes from.) Females choose. Females have the power to refuse. Females have the power to let males in. So, men might dominate women physically. But women dominate men sexually.

 

Women hold the sexual power. This is based on a power imbalance which derives from the physical nature of human bodies. Simply put, women have an opening in their bodies that men need permission to get into and whenever permission is required for something important, the person who gets to give permission has power over the person who has to ask for permission. Furthermore, women have several other physical features that men strongly desire. The result of that power imbalance is that women can almost always get some kind of sex when they want it and men cannot do the same thing. If an attractive woman walks into a bar or club and beckons 'come here' with her first finger, every man who can still stand up will jump at the opportunity. If a man were to do the same thing, the female yawn would be deafening. It's not a degradation or a curse that women have this power, just a reality. AS much as times change, some things remain the same. It is what it is....

 

So, at the end of the day, who needs whom more? Isn't it great to be a woman!

[clv0116]

Of course men need women more than women need men. Proof: sex.

 

This is the core of why many women hate the idea of legal prostitution; it places a real dollar value on and commoditizes something that they want to remain priceless.

 

Unfortunately for women, the scarcity of sex is largely over; men DO need sex more than women do but thankfully it's available for free or for fee quite readily in todays world. Saying that strip clubs prove women have power over men is like saying that Home Depot proves we worship our houses or something.

 

The question in OP was perhaps imprecise, but I took it to be asked in the context of a relationship and not in exchange for services rendered. If the latter is true, then you 'prove' you need a man every time you use any of the myriad things that men predominately create in exchange for money.

 

Driven anywhere lately? Walked into a building? Live in a house?

[Girlygirl1977]

Of course men need women more than women need men. Proof: sex. Men are such slaves to their hormones that they even pay money to see women naked and to get some nookie. A whole porn, strip club and prostitution industry caters to them, but men don't need women. Rrrrrright. Just look at all the sexually-frustrated, whining 'my wife doesn't put out anymore'-threads on here. Men are so controlled by their sex drives; they make fools out themselves just to get a glimpse of a naked woman, or a pair of tits. Ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder if even men don't feel stupid that they are under such a strong influence (call it 'spell' ) and control by women. Men are, like I said, so horny that women cause such a rush of hormones going through their brains that their logic and reasoning skills go right out the window. Quite honestly, a woman can convince a man to do all sorts of bad or stupid things by getting him aroused sexually. And men always claim they are always so much more logical and rational than a woman. What a joke. Your brain goes right in your pants when you see a pair of tits. Total brain shutdown. In Plato's Republic Socrates says that when he finally lost his sex drive in old age, he felt as if he had been 'released from the jaws of a wild beast.' That says it all, doesn't it?

 

Women have extraordinary sexual power over men . Unless a woman has felt the same thing for another women, it's nearly impossible to explain the power of the p***y to take over male consciousness. When a woman knows this, however, it can be an extremely potent manipulation device. So, any man that prides himself on getting laid... ...is a fu.cking clown. Point blank. Women can use sex to enslave men so any man that brags about getting some is simply bragging about the whip (i.e. p***y) that the taskmaster (i.e. women) uses as an instrument to beat him into submission. Maybe that's why they call it being p***y-whipped?

 

Many people believe that men have the power in this world simply because they are bigger than woman and physically stronger than women. Of course, men have always been willing to use their overwhelming physical strength to dominate and control women. But while it is generally true that men are physically stronger than women, there is an even more powerful truth. Women have the sexual power on this planet. Usually, in a relationship, they carry the torch and decide the frequency of sex. (Like it or not. Guys know it's the truth, that's where much of their anger and contempt comes from.) Females choose. Females have the power to refuse. Females have the power to let males in. So, men might dominate women physically. But women dominate men sexually.

 

Women hold the sexual power. This is based on a power imbalance which derives from the physical nature of human bodies. Simply put, women have an opening in their bodies that men need permission to get into and whenever permission is required for something important, the person who gets to give permission has power over the person who has to ask for permission. Furthermore, women have several other physical features that men strongly desire. The result of that power imbalance is that women can almost always get some kind of sex when they want it and men cannot do the same thing. If an attractive woman walks into a bar or club and beckons 'come here' with her first finger, every man who can still stand up will jump at the opportunity. If a man were to do the same thing, the female yawn would be deafening. It's not a degradation or a curse that women have this power, just a reality. AS much as times change, some things remain the same. It is what it is....

 

So, at the end of the day, who needs whom more? Isn't it great to be a woman!

 

This is really faulty logic. If all a woman had to offer a man was sex, then she wouldn't have much to give especially since you already explained a man can pay for it easily. If all a man wants is sex - then that wouldn't be enough to make him want a relationship. . .

[EddieN]

This is really faulty logic. If all a woman had to offer a man was sex, then she wouldn't have much to give especially since you already explained a man can pay for it easily. If all a man wants is sex - then that wouldn't be enough to make him want a relationship. . .

 

Erm, wow, I was wondering if someone could be rational over that post. Kudos to you.

 

c-riouz, ever think of entering the profession of a dominatrix? I think you have the perfect attitude for it.

[Unsuccessful]

From my experience, men have little need for women (or at least me).

 

They may want to have sex a few times or they may want you to pay the bills for them, but they don't want a relationship or have any interest in continuing to see you.

 

I am shocked to even see guys on this site who are upset over a breakup. But, I have never had any men interested in me ever, so I don't know.

 

I am 41 years old, btw.

[Isolde]

I may be biased but I think men need women more than women need men. The women who really need men strongly, who can't stand being single, tend to be insecure. When a woman is completely secure with herself and emotionally healthy she can do just fine without a man.

 

Men, on the other hand, need sex and ego validation more than women do. Also, because our culture discourages men from expressing emotion in public or even with male friends, women often become their only emotional supports. Women can always turn to friends and family for support.

 

 

While the second paragraph is astute, I disagree with the first. Are you saying that women who aren't happy single are insecure but men who aren't happy single are normal?

Men can have friends and family too. I know they don't express their feelings in the same way as women, but... it just seems unfair to portray men as vulnerable and women as viperlike.

 

Some women have a great need for sex as well as companionship.

 

This being said, I agree with Ruby Slippers that if things can't be 100% equal, then at least it's better if the guy needs the woman a smidge more.

[Isolde]

While women are stronger in many respects than men, they're also more vulnerable in other respects. This is why I think it equals out, even though a lot of people don't agree with me. Perhaps the idea of vulnerability has just died away, gone with the wind of feminism.

 

I'm happy being single, but I'm not afraid to say there are times when feeling a bit protected would be nice.

 

Look at the board at women who have been single for years without a significant relationship. These women are all marvelously independent, but it's certainly not because they're not as vulnerable as men. Rather, they cope with lack of sex and companionship in different ways. Just IMO and IME.

 

Overall, even if men do need women a bit more, I don't think the difference is very significant at all.

[Trialbyfire]

Isolde, you've hit on my soft spot, the protect thing. Even though I don't need protection, S. is always there. That for me, is swoonable stuff.

[Isolde]

Isolde, you've hit on my soft spot, the protect thing. Even though I don't need protection, S. is always there. That for me, is swoonable stuff.

 

Exactly! If you, as a strong professional woman, can say that, then anyone can.

 

As you always say, it's soooo important to be with a guy who doesn't need ego validation. Men may need sex more and they can't help that, but the ego thing can be put in check. I don't like it when people don't hold men accountable.

[Ruby Slippers]

I'm happy being single, but I'm not afraid to say there are times when feeling a bit protected would be nice.

Totally. The first time I was able to lie on my (ex) man's chest, take a pause from being so strong and capable for a moment, and just be vulnerable before him was POWERFUL.

 

Of course, he had comparable moments of being vulnerable with me. I think it is a very powerful feeling to be accepted and loved at your weakest and most exposed.

[39388]

I think it depends on how much of a social life you have far more than if you are a man or a woman. Those who have few friends are lonely a lot and are more needy in both wanting friends and relationships. Of course as I've found out the hard way, the neediness has the opposite effect.

[EddieN]

Isolde, you've hit on my soft spot, the protect thing. Even though I don't need protection, S. is always there. That for me, is swoonable stuff.

 

Totally. The first time I was able to lie on my (ex) man's chest, take a pause from being so strong and capable for a moment, and just be vulnerable before him was POWERFUL.

 

Of course, he had comparable moments of being vulnerable with me. I think it is a very powerful feeling to be accepted and loved at your weakest and most exposed.

 

You asked for gender lovin' and here it is.

 

I say that women are not in my top priorities, and that's 100% true. I still would LIKE to show mutual affection towards a woman I have feelings for. Hell, I would melt if I was the man in either one of the situations you describes...holding a woman against my chest, stoking her hair...aw hell, now I'm getting horny.

 

Really though, I might be fine without a girl and might have enough to do to keep me interested in other things, but damn do I love women, and damn would it feel nice to have a girl I could spend that extra time with.

[Isolde]

I'm not interested in dating a guy that isn't capable of taking good care of himself, and generally secure in himself. A situation where I'm expected to be strong and the guy isn't, isn't for me.

 

I think that in today's society, men tend to remain single for shorter periods of time than women, starting to date very young, whereas some space between mother-love and girlfriend-love would be healthy and avert midlife crises later on.

[EddieN]

I think that in today's society, men tend to remain single for shorter periods of time than women, starting to date very young, whereas some space between mother-love and girlfriend-love would be healthy and avert midlife crises later on.

 

Really? It seems to me like women are the ones who are constantly jumping from relationship to relationship, while men might come out of a relationship and stay out of one for a while.

[Sam Spade]

 

I'm happy being single, but I'm not afraid to say there are times when feeling a bit protected would be nice.

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Yes, men feel happy in that role too, and that's why old world manners and demeanor are so important in my book. Nobody wants to be protective towards a raging feminist/whatever they call themselves these days , at least I don't. ("Bitch, please." .)

[westernxer]

I've known a few needy women in my life (even though they didn't need me LOL), but I find it really depressing to associate with men who are so needy that they can't stop talking about it.

 

Okay, I realize they're lonely, but witnessing their self-pity causes my nuts to shrink. LOL

[start-fresh]

I think that in today's society, men tend to remain single for shorter periods of time than women, starting to date very young, whereas some space between mother-love and girlfriend-love would be healthy and avert midlife crises later on.

 

That's definitely not true. Just look at some of these threads about women taking a hiatus from dating or who are in their 'single year.' Have you ever heard of a guy choosing to take a break from dating and have women he needs to fight off? I sure haven't. I think, as a guy, if I didn't make any effort to approach and pursue women, I would remain single indefinitely.

[Isolde]

I think it's pretty much a consensus that desperation is unattractive in either sex. However, people can disagree on what constitutes desperation, and often women get unfairly pegged as desperate when in reality they're just looking for what most men are looking for.

[Woggle]

Isolde, you've hit on my soft spot, the protect thing. Even though I don't need protection, S. is always there. That for me, is swoonable stuff.

 

This is proof that even the most independent women deep down like to know they can depend on their men if need be. That don't want to have to but they like to know it is there.

[Woggle]

Yes, men feel happy in that role too, and that's why old world manners and demeanor are so important in my book. Nobody wants to be protective towards a raging feminist/whatever they call themselves these days , at least I don't. ("Bitch, please." .)

 

Exactly. Raging misandrists spitting venom at men don't exactly bring out that protective instinct. They make men want to run for our lives.

[shadowplay]

Maybe true but in my life women have hands down turned on me more than men. Men to me are just more trustworthy and reliable especially if you are a man yourself.

 

And in my life I've been burned as often by men as by women, just in different ways. You can't pull universal truths out of your personal experiences.

[shadowplay]

As raging misogynists make women want to run for their lives... Honestly, woggle, how you can make any serious criticisms of "misandrists" when you so clearly hate women (don't try to deny it)? Rather hypocritical if you ask me.

 

I've seen many people on this board point this out to you, but you never seem to get it. At least be honest enough with yourself to acknowledge what's obvious to everyone else: you're a misogynist.

 

Just because you've been personally burned doesn't mean that most women are bad. It's more likely that you've had bad luck or been drawn to the wrong types.

 

The fact that you had an abusive/neglectful mother probably made you more likely to seek out unhealthy women. Now you're trying to make universal conclusions from that skewed sample. Do you see the logical fallacy there?

 

Have the intelligence and perspective to step away from your personal experiences and see that it's inconsequential in the larger scheme of the world. I hope one day you have the open-mindedness to realize this. I get the sense you're one of these people that selectively seizes on any "evidence" to affirm your pre-existing beliefs and ignores all the rest. You're so stubbornly narrow-minded and committed to hating, it's sad.

 

In the end, this is all anger at your mother projected onto others. Yeah, the other women who hurt you didn't help, but I guarantee you from a psychological perspective it all boils down to how you feel about your mother. Stop the madness!

 

And, btw, I don't dislike men, not by a long shot. I do dislike misogynists, though.

[c-riouz]

I guess I'm the female Woggle then. I despise the male sex drive and their foolish drooling-like behavior when they merely see a pair of tits because it is cavemen-like, dumb and foolish, and because the male sex drive has hurt me so much. On the one hand by being abused by a very close relative who should have protected me and not lay his uncontrolled horny hands on me, and on the other hand by men who cheated on me, so that was another proof that male sex drive just makes them do the most stupid things. It just sucks and I know my attitude isn't healthy, but I've seen so many men on this board admitting that yes, sex is sooooo important to them and how they constantly check out other women, so there seems to be some truth to my attitude. It seems justified when you read on here how men REALLY think about women, and that the most important thing to them is sex, sex, sex. Men would do anything for some piece of ass or when there is the slightest chance to get laid, cheat on their partners for sex and even leave long-term partners, so it's obvious how important sex really is to them. It's repulsive. Porn just represents that overwhelmingly strong male desire for sex and for a constant supply of other women, that's why I despise porn as well. I guess I should look for one of those rare asexual men - at least they will give me romantic love and companionship for the sake of it, and don't expect any degrading or disgusting sex acts in return. And they won't leave me 20 years down the road for some young hot piece of a**.