Jersey Shortie Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Funny you mention that. I like to video tape everything and use strings to measure thrust distances in order to optimize the thrust distance to pleasure ratio. Then we go over the tape and look for where we could improve, and we even draw little X's and O's like a football coach would to best pinpoint strengths and weaknesses. If his gf knew how he REALLY felt, they wouldn't need to establish crap. She'd be gone. Well if it was me, I know I would be gone. I wouldn't want a guy to think of me the way the Op thinks of this girl. Link to post Share on other sites
2sure Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 You know...I think its likely the gf doesn't care what he thinks already. People like OP are consistently surprised to find out that the people they think little of...usually end up thinking even less of them. Its an interesting and comical phenomena Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eleventy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 I don't mistreat her at all -- I treat her VERY nicely. We have a lot of fun together and we compliment each other often. No, I do not think she is academically bright, but that doesn't mean I don't think of her as a great person. I don't consider the way we interact together by any means disrespectful or degrading. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I don't mistreat her at all -- I treat her VERY nicely. We have a lot of fun together and we compliment each other often. No, I do not think she is academically bright, but that doesn't mean I don't think of her as a great person. I don't consider the way we interact together by any means disrespectful or degrading. You correct her. You think she's dumb. You refused to let the math issue go, and sent her a dumb text testing her (I don't care about the reason behind that). You are careless about the effect that these things have on a 17 year old girl. You have an obvious negative outlook on anyone who isn't smart to your standards. You want her to be something other then what she is. You just are not compatible. Get over it, and move on, so the girl can do the same. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 You know...I think its likely the gf doesn't care what he thinks already. People like OP are consistently surprised to find out that the people they think little of...usually end up thinking even less of them. Its an interesting and comical phenomena I agree with this quite a bit. Well if it was me, I know I would be gone. I wouldn't want a guy to think of me the way the Op thinks of this girl. Right, who wants their SO to think they are dumb, and are constantly wondered if they will be 'good enough' in the future. Who would want to be corrected and tested? It'd be like walking on egg shells. I= Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eleventy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 All I'm saying is that, by most people's standards even, they would find the situation a bit suspect. I don't correct her THAT much, and I think you're blowing that one out of proportion. I even agreed to stop doing so (even though I hadn't really been doing it a whole lot to begin with). I don't think she's "dumb" in the purest sense of the word -- of course not. I think she's mathematically challenged, sure, but my thread had to do with the implications behind the situation. "Dumb" is perhaps too derogatory of a term to use in this context, but for whatever it's worth, I do not think she is dumb. My relationship with her is by no means like walking on eggshells. It's not like I am setting a super-high standard here anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Bayern Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I think Eleventy sounds a bit more mean towards his GF because he is venting frustration in an online forum. I think that is the biggest point on why people think Eleventy is this horrible person. I think I know what you were trying to do. I'd say stop trying in this thread about now... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eleventy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yeah, the anger/venting portrayed in this thread is moreso generated from the argumentation in this thread rather than the actual issue at hand, haha. My girlfriend and I get along very well and we're extremely kind towards one another. Just because I happen to recognize a weakness in her does not mean I disrespect her. I may have used some strong language early on, but all I can say is that, again, I do not really view her that way. I don't see my girlfriend as a 'dumb' person. I just had worries about what the situation may imply for things down the road. If you knew me in real life I think you'd find a pleasantly chill person I'd consider myself a very nice guy, really -- I just tend to get a bit argumentative in online forums I suppose, haha. Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I don't think she's "dumb" in the purest sense of the word -- of course not. I think she's mathematically challenged, sure, but my thread had to do with the implications behind the situation. "Dumb" is perhaps too derogatory of a term to use in this context, but for whatever it's worth, I do not think she is dumb. So you're just worried about her math skills? I thought you were worried about how you two would manage as a couple. You do think less of her on some level. I can not express enough the damange done by careless men that thought they were better then me. I can't really get a firm grasp of how you really treat her or what you really think of her since you have been all over the place with it. Perhaps you are still trying to figure it out yourself. But keep in mind these two things: 1.As the young man in her life, you have the ability to hurt her like no other. 2. There are imperfections you have that she is probably also debating over. Perhaps, even though you only correct her "sometimes", perhaps she feels your critical. Critical or not that intelligent can both be negative traits. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yeah, the anger/venting portrayed in this thread is moreso generated from the argumentation in this thread rather than the actual issue at hand, haha. My girlfriend and I get along very well and we're extremely kind towards one another. Just because I happen to recognize a weakness in her does not mean I disrespect her. I may have used some strong language early on, but all I can say is that, again, I do not really view her that way. I don't see my girlfriend as a 'dumb' person. I just had worries about what the situation may imply for things down the road. If you knew me in real life I think you'd find a pleasantly chill person I'd consider myself a very nice guy, really -- I just tend to get a bit argumentative in online forums I suppose, haha. That would make sense if the title of your thread wasn't "I lose major respect for unintelligent girls and I feel disgusted" and you didn't go on and on about how pathetic your gf is for asking you for help. You started the thread off, it wasn't an argument until people gave you a view other then your own, which you didn't like. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eleventy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 Hey Eleven - don't worry at all about this. She was just texting you as a way of an excuse to get contact with you. She wanted to connect with you, so she thought of the excuse of the subtraction problem. See she KNOWS she could have gotten out a calculator, or even figured it out on her own, she wanted a fun, cutesy excuse to get your attentional and start flirty banter with you during the day. She was just trying to connect because she likes you. This has nothing to do with her intelligence or your compatibility. It was a woman having fun with a guy she's dating, in a flirty way. That's it! If you want to dig deeper, she was trying to get you to be the guy to solve her problem and be "useful" to her, because guys get an ego boost out of helping out women and she was simply giving you a way to feel needed and helpful in her life, thus trying to create a closer bond. Yeah, I think this is most likely the case given our relationship so far. Jersey and Dreamer, you guys are still misinterpreting me. It is *not* just about the math! It is about the implications of figuring things out/solving problems/reliance/judgment. I do not "think of her less" on some level. I really regret my opening posts because they are NOT indicative of how I truly feel, and they were things I had said out of immediate disappointment and anger. I just don't want to get into a relationship where she constantly needs to rely/turn to me for every little thing because she can't figure something out. That's IT. I feel like, for me, a girl needs to be able to show some sort of independence. If she needs to use a calculator, that's fine! I don't care if she needs a calculator, in all honesty. I don't care if she needs to even whip out pencil and paper. I just thought it was extreme to resort to a text message to ask me something so simple, and I think most people would have had a VERY similar reaction. I'm not trying to say she's dumb or stupid or anything of the sort. Bad at math? Sure, absolutely, she may indeed be VERY bad at math. It may have been a flirtatious gesture, though. I won't know for sure unless she starts asking more questions about simple things that should not take much effort. However, this scenario does raise some interesting questions that I wanted to discuss. Link to post Share on other sites
dreamergrl Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 Yeah, I think this is most likely the case given our relationship so far. Jersey and Dreamer, you guys are still misinterpreting me. It is *not* just about the math! It is about the implications of figuring things out/solving problems/reliance/judgment. I do not "think of her less" on some level. I really regret my opening posts because they are NOT indicative of how I truly feel, and they were things I had said out of immediate disappointment and anger. She's 17, how much do you expect her to prove of what she'll be capable of in a future more mature and adult relationship??? And you do think less of her, if you didn't, you wouldn't have come and posted about it. You wouldn't have sent that text message. And you brought up the damn math problem so many times after.... I just don't want to get into a relationship where she constantly needs to rely/turn to me for every little thing because she can't figure something out. That's IT. I feel like, for me, a girl needs to be able to show some sort of independence. If she needs to use a calculator, that's fine! I don't care if she needs a calculator, in all honesty. I don't care if she needs to even whip out pencil and paper. I just thought it was extreme to resort to a text message to ask me something so simple, and I think most people would have had a VERY similar reaction. You are in a relationship with a TEENAGER. She's going to be more dependent and needy. She has a different sense of what she thinks a guy wants, then what an older supposedly more mature man does want. I'm not trying to say she's dumb or stupid or anything of the sort. It may have been a flirtatious gesture. I won't know for sure unless she starts asking more questions about related matters. However, this scenario does raise some interesting questions that I wanted to discuss. Man, you did call her dumb in another post. You've also admitted she'd be hurt by this thread. There for, if you know something would hurt her, why go on like you have? It's sad that you rather drag it out, see if she acts 'this way' any longer, and then come to a conclusion, when she is still going to be 17 and 18 and 19 for quite awhile. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Eleventy Posted June 24, 2009 Author Share Posted June 24, 2009 I am biased because my experiences at 17 were probably much different than hers, granted. Again the only reason I sent that text was to get a feel for whether or not she was being flirtatious or if she was seriously needing help. ENTIRELY reasonable, imo. But, I suppose we need to agree to disagree on that one. And yes, she is a teenager, and sure, I agree she's more likely to be dependent and needy. But plenty of women aren't that way, and so I am hoping it'll come with time. Again, I know that I was harsh in my earlier posts, and yes I do think she would be hurt by this thread only because nobody wants to hear their partner having doubts about their capacities to do something, regardless of whether or not they are to be overlooked and accepted. Oftentimes ANYONE would be hurt by hearing concerns about themselves, and so I don't think the fact that I am asking about this issue means I am being needlessly cruel. The only time I've been an ass about these things is because of the way I was earlier on in this thread when I was angry. In my past relationship, I lost many things because of extreme reliance, and so I felt like it was just repeating history all over again, and so I was unfairly projecting things onto her, granted. All I can say is that I apologize for saying those cruel things about her and that they aren't how I truly feel. I think she's a wonderful and amazing person, and I am merely hoping that I was looking too hard into something and nothing more. And yes, she will still be 17/18, but it's not like people don't change. Especially once you go to college, the dynamics of responsibility and independence change a LOT. Link to post Share on other sites
MusicChick24 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 How do you view relationships when it comes to overcoming obstacles together, etc? What's your take on emotional intelligence vs. "analytical" intelligence with respect to that? Do you find that your difficulty in something like that carries over to other areas? Basically I must reference your age difference like everyone else has. She is 17, she is not fully mature and will not be until she is 21. Her brain is still growing and developing. You are a fully grown adult (mentally speaking). I do not think that her inefficency in one subject would make her inefficent in a relationship or as a person necessarily. Then again I'm all about loving someone for how they treat me not how intelligent they are and I'm an Education student. = ) My boyfriend is lightyears smarter than me. He makes better grades than I do. He is more booksmart AND more street smart than I am. I have blonde moments where I ask stupid questions and stuff however I am not "unintelligent" and it doesn't make me a bad partner. I am good at Arts, English and History and he is good at the Sciences and Math. We complement each other and that is what makes our relationship good. Our differences make things interesting they DO NOT impair. Link to post Share on other sites
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