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Hey why are you calling me pete ???

 

The reason you women don't admit the truth is because you're afraid those guys you always reject (who most of the time, are above average in intelligence) can cause a massive social change beating back the corporate financed feminist movement that has destroyed our society and culture for eternity.

 

Remember, the only reason you even have all this power is because men let you have it.

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Hey why are you calling me pete ???

 

The reason you women don't admit the truth is because you're afraid those guys you always reject (who most of the time, are above average in intelligence) can cause a massive social change beating back the corporate financed feminist movement that has destroyed our society and culture for eternity.

 

Remember, the only reason you even have all this power is because men let you have it.

 

Ahh..so that's what this thread is really all about...

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Women can sense your feelings about them and they don't want any part of it. Why would they? What woman would want to go out with a guy who felt that women should be sent back to the 1950's?

 

Come on now.

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Women can sense your feelings about them and they don't want any part of it. Why would they? What woman would want to go out with a guy who felt that women should be sent back to the 1950's?

 

Come on now.

 

Yes god forbid women go back to the 1950's , a time where women were able to balance class and still be nurturing , rather than the frigid cold hearted "princesses" who expect all men to be their servants except for the 1 guy attractive and wealthy enough to be a prince. Yes, may the traditional family that has for most of human history brought up upstanding, good, intelligent and beautiful people, forever be forgotten in exchange for the social decay of modern day freeDumb.

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Bolton, what do you mean when you say the girls aren't "interested" in you? I don't understand that. How would you know?

 

If I think a guy is attractive, that doesn't mean I'm going to smile and bat my eyes at him. I may actually give him the cold-shoulder than I would a guy I wasn't intersted in. If a guy wasn't my type at all, I swear I would not even notice him unless he grabbed my attention. It all really depends if i feel like chatting up a guy or not. When I'm in a retail store, I'm mostly focused on what I'm buying and trying to get out of there, not if the cashier is single and good-looking. What I mean is, most of my flirting will have to be premeditated.

 

One time you said you haven't had a girl to give you her sole attention, and I thought: Well, duhh! She isn't in a relationship with you. She doesn't have to show you any interest. You don't own her and she can give her attention to whoever she wants. And? I would be creeped out more if she did.

 

Bolton, you are a very jealous-hearted person, and you're controlling. Women have to deal with the fact that a girl can garner national fame and millions of dollars by walking around looking pretty as shown by pageantries, modeling industry, Playboy, Hollywood, top of the line porn etc. Does this mean women should start hating the entire male species because some girl prettier than them will have an easier life like you have done??

 

You're putting too much emphasis on looks and not enough on personality. A guy could be absolutely sexy by how cool and smooth he is. Some guys just have swagger and they get a ton of women too. Did you think Johnny Depth was hot in Edward Scissorhands? He was creepy and this guy has a ton of fangirls. He had on dark make-up and bad weave in the Caribbean movies, and he had girls who choose him over Orlando Bloom. Why? He was funny and smooth-talking. Okay, yes celebrities, but I'm making a point. Two guys in the movie-one of them the romantic loyal H and the other one, the slick, funny scoudrel pirate, and girls loved the pirate.

 

Your life isn't about walking through a pageant, so, why do you care how popular you are with the ladies?

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To be honest, even after getting over that I'm not that tall or rich, the 1% of women who still are interested after that would probably not like my personality, I'll admit it. And it's not because I'm such a bad or mean guy, it's just because I'm a little different and women hate anything that breaks away from the sports crazed retard mold society has made out for men.

 

Re: 'your corner of the world'...you live in a large city. Congratulations; so do I. So? You can't possibly claim to pass simultaneously through all the cultural and socio-economic strata of your area. You really only know the people you know, who frequent whatever scene you frequent, who work with you or take your classes, who know your mom, who live next-door, with a few hangers-on and pass-throughs to spice things up. You effectively inhabit a corner of your city, and your city is just a corner of this big bad world, no matter how big it's populace or how inflated you think its' importance. And, apparently, you sit around in that corner and just fret yourself to pieces over the lowest common denomination within it: which surly tattooed criminal is getting laid tonight when I'm not, which vapid golddigging female that I have zero respect for anyway is checking out my best friend instead of me?

 

As for the above quote...<sigh>. It is just so hard to take you seriously when you exhibit this kind of flawed thinking over and over and over again. OP, go back and read some of your posts. You call women bird-brains. You say they are boring. You wish you could fit them all back into the social constraints of the 1950s. The 'nicest' thing you have said is that you are willing to get laid by just the average-looking ones. How special for that lucky average girl who catches your bored, condescending, but willing penis:lmao:. You clearly know NOTHING about women and you're also too arrogant to try to learn as you flail away with stubborn pride at all the actual women here trying to give you some advice.

 

You asked where the women like me are, women who don't particularly care about your height, women who find you physically attractive (and for the record, I've had my share of boyfriends who didn't make much money, too, especially when I was in my 20s and went through an extended poverty-stricken-artist phase). My guess is, we're all around you. We meet you at a show, or we come into your shop, we chit-chat with you for five minutes, and our eyes glaze over with distaste as we are bombarded with the foul mixture of your condescension, desperation and bitterness. We're the ones that smile blankly and walk away.

 

You need to stop relying on your same-age all-male coterie of long-time friends for your personality feedback, dude. Because what you're aiming for is women, and what women think is: you're an ass.

 

My personal advice would be to lay off of trying to find a girlfriend for now, and work on finding a girl to just be your friend. An actual friend, who you think well of, whose opinion you rank as equal to your own. You need to learn somehow that girls are people too, and not all the same, and not devious walking balls of frustration-triggers, stereotypes and T&A. If you actually get a girl to be your girlfriend before you figure some of that stuff out, and it doesn't end well...well, if you're this bitter already, I shudder to think of the outcome there.

 

You live with your disabled mother; there seems to be some tenderness and devotion there. Perhaps you've noticed, your mom is a woman. Is she a vapid, greedy, shallow, humorless, money-hungry, boring bird-brain too?

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Women like what they can't have and they feel that the hunk with riches is out of their league so they gravitate to him. It is not about riches and looks though. I know a broke drunk who always seems to have a different date every week and that is because he never makes the woman a priority in his life. They have to work for his attention and that makes him seem very desirable to them despite the fact that he never has any money and reeks of liquor and various other bad odors.

 

The hunk pursues a much better quality of woman than your average entitled princess and the drunk treats them like disposable toys but the common denominator in these two very different men is the fact that they are independent and don't make women a major priority. Much is said about the male ego but the female ego is even worse. An entitled princess who feels that she is made of gold can't stand the thought of a man not going gaga over her and she must eventually win his heart to feed that ego. Players have mastered the art of getting a woman to constantly chase after this like a donkey chases a carrot on a stick. If a man is utterly smitten with a woman and is deeply in love the donkey has already eaten the carrot and wants to move in to other carrots. This is why nice guys lose.

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Re: 'your corner of the world'...you live in a large city. Congratulations; so do I. So? You can't possibly claim to pass simultaneously through all the cultural and socio-economic strata of your area. You really only know the people you know, who frequent whatever scene you frequent, who work with you or take your classes, who know your mom, who live next-door, with a few hangers-on and pass-throughs to spice things up. You effectively inhabit a corner of your city, and your city is just a corner of this big bad world, no matter how big it's populace or how inflated you think its' importance. And, apparently, you sit around in that corner and just fret yourself to pieces over the lowest common denomination within it: which surly tattooed criminal is getting laid tonight when I'm not, which vapid golddigging female that I have zero respect for anyway is checking out my best friend instead of me? [/Quote]

 

You make a few good points. Nowhere did I say I am in the center of the world, in fact I really hate my city and 99% of it's millions of inhabitants.

 

I guess my feelings and thought about stuff that shouldn't matter can be related also to my friends pretty much writing me off for their girlfriends, so now I have a less active social life than before. When I was constantly out raising small hells with my male friends, what women thought or believed never crossed my mind, because I was having the time of my life. Now I just sit here on the computer or (relatively recent hobby) lift weights and can't help but feel that everyone's out there doing what they like to do but me.

 

As for the above quote...<sigh>. It is just so hard to take you seriously when you exhibit this kind of flawed thinking over and over and over again. OP, go back and read some of your posts. You call women bird-brains. You say they are boring. You wish you could fit them all back into the social constraints of the 1950s. The 'nicest' thing you have said is that you are willing to get laid by just the average-looking ones. How special for that lucky average girl who catches your bored, condescending, but willing penis:lmao:. You clearly know NOTHING about women and you're also too arrogant to try to learn as you flail away with stubborn pride at all the actual women here trying to give you some advice. [/Quote]

 

I don't know Stung, I think I know the majority of women way too well . Maybe they are not the caricatures like I describe, but they are pretty bad anyway. To be honest, I can't really take what a woman tells me about women seriously because chances are they are all automated socially approved responses rather than the truth. What women say and do are two completely different things as men will tell you.

 

 

You asked where the women like me are, women who don't particularly care about your height, women who find you physically attractive (and for the record, I've had my share of boyfriends who didn't make much money, too, especially when I was in my 20s and went through an extended poverty-stricken-artist phase). My guess is, we're all around you. We meet you at a show, or we come into your shop, we chit-chat with you for five minutes, and our eyes glaze over with distaste as we are bombarded with the foul mixture of your condescension, desperation and bitterness. We're the ones that smile blankly and walk away. [/Quote]

 

I don't know, I've never met a female like you in real life. I have never in my entire life met a female who was down-to-earth/agreeable/cool, didn't care about my height, found me physically attractive, and was single altogether. I have in some periods met girls who were 1 of 4, but never all 4. Sometimes when I am looking my best and my much more attractive friend is not around, a girl will make small talk with me when I am on register. I never say condescending, desperate ,or bitter things either, unless I know the person and the person is male.

 

You need to stop relying on your same-age all-male coterie of long-time friends for your personality feedback, dude. Because what you're aiming for is women, and what women think is: you're an ass. [/Quote]

 

I don't know. I see the "Alpha" guys who are physically attractive to women who are getting laid all the time acting a lot worse than I do. Isn't it all about not caring what women think? I do that pretty well I think ,because I learned from a young age not to care. It's a very recent phenomenon for me to actually slightly care what women think about me, only because of my long string of bad luck in my social life with my male friends.

 

 

My personal advice would be to lay off of trying to find a girlfriend for now, and work on finding a girl to just be your friend. An actual friend, who you think well of, whose opinion you rank as equal to your own. You need to learn somehow that girls are people too, and not all the same, and not devious walking balls of frustration-triggers, stereotypes and T&A. If you actually get a girl to be your girlfriend before you figure some of that stuff out, and it doesn't end well...well, if you're this bitter already, I shudder to think of the outcome there. [/Quote]

 

I don't know this is really hard to do. Women seldom want to get close to guys even as friends unless they know them for a long time, the guy is gay, or the guys are physically very attractive to them. I also think it's kind of embarrassing to be the shoulder some girl cries on and be in the "friends zone" like I always make fun of nerds for.

 

I think I'm just going to wait until I get out of this country and go to a place where the girls are more friendly and open to me. In other countries I don't seem to have so much trouble with women, it's only where I live/in America/Canada where women are really hard to like and get along with for some reason.

 

You live with your disabled mother; there seems to be some tenderness and devotion there. Perhaps you've noticed, your mom is a woman. Is she a vapid, greedy, shallow, humorless, money-hungry, boring bird-brain too? [/Quote]

 

No she's completely different. If it wasn't for her disability ,then she probably would be. But because of her traumatic childhood experience and uphill struggle in life she grew to became an amazing human being who is the only reason I care about life at all. She was also brought up in a rather conservative rural setting so me and her actually have similar values on gender, society, etc. Even my own mother admitted most of the women my age are no good.

 

I guess you could say, I look for a woman who is like my mother, she is truly an angel (not just for my obvious relation, everyone else says so too). And considering how her situation is not even close to the norm, I am pretty screwed.

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I didn't read this entire thread. Just skimmed over the first page or two. But to the OP, I understand your situation. If I was in the same boat, I'd probably be a little jealous. Don't get worked up about it though. There are going to be situations in life like that.

 

As for your philosophy on women being more shallow, it goes both ways really. It's human nature for someone to be attracted to the more atheistically pleasing item. Whether it's a person or a piece of merchandise. It's all about personal taste. I mean if I walked into a drug store and saw two women around my age over the counter and one looked more attractive than the other from a "society's standards" viewpoint, I'd probably pay more attention to the more attractive girl. Not saying it's fair, but that's how it is.

 

But really, don't complain. It sucks I know, but complaining and condemning society's darkside isn't going to help your cause. It's just going to make you feel worse. Besides it's unattractive and it shows a lack of confidence if you are comparing yourself to your friend. He's a more attractive guy. Big deal. Doesn't mean you can't get some nice ass yourself. There are gorgeous girls out there that are exceptions to the stereotypical rule in which you believe in. You just have to look in the right place.

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Hey why are you calling me pete ???

 

The reason you women don't admit the truth is because you're afraid those guys you always reject (who most of the time, are above average in intelligence) can cause a massive social change beating back the corporate financed feminist movement that has destroyed our society and culture for eternity.

 

Remember, the only reason you even have all this power is because men let you have it.

 

You were not even there Pete. We have this power because men can't populate themselves.

 

There is nothing to admit. I see average looking guys and lower than average looking guys get GFs all the time. I see short and fat guys with GFs all the time. YOU and guys with attitudes like your's are the one having difficulties. That is why I call you the last living evidence of natural selection. We're interested in breeding out whiners around here, dig?

 

And Pete is short for Peter, Peter is a colloquiolism for penis.

 

I figure one name is good for all the ones you've thrown at an entire gender. Now I gotta get to work.

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I guess I can probably look at someone and say if I find them extremely unattractive, but that's usually based on something like morbid obesity or poor hygiene/uncleanliness. I can certainly recognise someone who fits society's conventional ideals, but I'm not attracted to them solely for that reason. Actually, even in the case of people I would consider "good-looking", I'm not sure I'd say I'm attracted to them. I don't base attraction on looks, but on personality instead. I may end up saying that I find someone physically attractive, after finding them attractive in other ways, but other than that... the physical aspect just never comes first. And the only person I could honestly say I'm attracted to is my boyfriend, anyway.

 

On the subject of physical traits, I will admit that I can be a pretty harsh judge of myself and of other females, based on body shape and weight. This stems not from being shallow, but from my decade-long struggle with an eating disorder. And it certainly has nothing to do with attraction.

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To the original poster: Guy, you really need to let go, both of the issue, and the awful feedback that you get in threads like this.

 

Are you really surprised at the advice here- you come with complaints of women being shallow, women and male toolboxes alike reply with the old feel-good defenses such as "oh, it must be your personality" or "maybe you just dont have that vibe". You know it's all bull****, and it probably frustrates you further.

 

I've been in similar situations, and yes, your instincts are correct, you're getting less attention because you have some shallow bimbos in your store, and they find the coworker more attractive. Best thing to do is just rub that off, and pay more attention to meeting girls in environments where you have the upper hand.

 

Lastly, why even define things in terms of how girls in a store treat you? That's retarded, just have a good time at work joking around with coworkers, its not likely that these girls are adding anything of substance to the conversation anyway. LET GO! :)

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To the original poster: Guy, you really need to let go, both of the issue, and the awful feedback that you get in threads like this.

 

Are you really surprised at the advice here- you come with complaints of women being shallow, women and male toolboxes alike reply with the old feel-good defenses such as "oh, it must be your personality" or "maybe you just dont have that vibe". You know it's all bull****, and it probably frustrates you further.

 

I've been in similar situations, and yes, your instincts are correct, you're getting less attention because you have some shallow bimbos in your store, and they find the coworker more attractive. Best thing to do is just rub that off, and pay more attention to meeting girls in environments where you have the upper hand.

 

Lastly, why even define things in terms of how girls in a store treat you? That's retarded, just have a good time at work joking around with coworkers, its not likely that these girls are adding anything of substance to the conversation anyway. LET GO! :)

 

If you had read the thread more carefully you'd have noticed that many of the 'toolboxes' started out with similar advice to yours...many have suggested that he get out of his social scene a little, meet girls who didn't meet his coworker first, expand his horizons, just get over his friend being hotter, because sh*t like that happens in life to all of us and you just gotta work around it, etc etc. Which is when the OP changed his rant and began declaiming that ALL of the women everywhere around the world were shallow, vapid, intellectually inferior, money-grubbing, frigid, princessy wastes of space essentially good only for their vaginas whom he found otherwise boring and pointless, and he refused to listen to anyone who tried to tell him anything he didn't want to hear, especially if they were female, because females never had any valid opinions anyway.

 

Which is when the light went on and many of us realized: 'Oh! It IS your personality!'

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I don't know Stung, I think I know the majority of women way too well . To be honest, I can't really take what a woman tells me about women seriously because chances are they are all automated socially approved responses rather than the truth.

 

 

 

 

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You are one seriously maladjusted dude, or else one seriously maladjusted troll. I feel sorry for you. I would still recommend that critical thinking course because your logic is manifestly flawed and so are your math skills, but, since you will not listen to anything I say because I have ovaries, I wash my hands of you.

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To the original poster: Guy, you really need to let go, both of the issue, and the awful feedback that you get in threads like this.

 

Are you really surprised at the advice here- you come with complaints of women being shallow, women and male toolboxes alike reply with the old feel-good defenses such as "oh, it must be your personality" or "maybe you just dont have that vibe". You know it's all bull****, and it probably frustrates you further.[/Quote]

 

Yeah you're completely right. I really get angry with the phoney cliches. Stung's advice isn't bad, she's obviously atleast somewhat intelligent and more honest than some other female posters.

 

I've been in similar situations, and yes, your instincts are correct, you're getting less attention because you have some shallow bimbos in your store, and they find the coworker more attractive. Best thing to do is just rub that off, and pay more attention to meeting girls in environments where you have the upper hand. [/Quote]

 

True, but it gets pretty frustrating when everyone is like that, even the ugly girls don't give you the time of day in that situation. What's going to happen if I get a girlfriend and ask her to hang out with me and my friends though? Will she find a magical "connection" with a guy who happens to be better looking and taller than me? It's why if I ever do I will make sure they never meet my friend.

 

What environments would I have the upper hand? Certainly not the bar or house parties, every time I go to one it's a sausage fest contrary to Hollywood stereotypes.

 

Lastly, why even define things in terms of how girls in a store treat you? That's retarded, just have a good time at work joking around with coworkers, its not likely that these girls are adding anything of substance to the conversation anyway. LET GO! :)

 

True. In moments of weakness though, it kind of gets on my nerves. And of course they add 0 to our conversation, but you should see how desperately these women get to cut me out and talk to my friend alone LOL! It's almost ridiculous, and I question strongly the notion that women wait for the guy to make the first move. Women always are not afraid to make the first move if you are their "TYPE".

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Oh man, I love the man vs. women threads. They're always so entertaining and full of nonsense. :)

 

As for the OP, if you're average you shouldn't have a problem getting a girl. The problem isn't women, it's YOU. It's the fact that you are obviously very self-righteous, somewhat a pig if all you are thinking about is getting laid (by the way, we can sniff these things out like drug dogs), you're quite the attention whore if all you can think about is "mememememe, pay attention to me!", you're also a very sore loser if you can't handle the fact that there will always be men out there who are more attractive than you and getting girlfriends.. and YOU are the one that seems shallow. You also seem very selfish.. you care about one thing, and one thing only. YOU.

 

I can't find a thing about your personality that I think is attractive. It's no wonder other girls can't find anything either! Based on everything you've said, I wouldn't want to date you or sleep with you either, and I haven't even seen what you look like!

 

I would suggest trying to fix these problems if you ever want to get a girl.

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As for the OP, if you're average you shouldn't have a problem getting a girl. The problem isn't women, it's YOU. It's the fact that you are obviously very self-righteous, somewhat a pig if all you are thinking about is getting laid (by the way, we can sniff these things out like drug dogs), you're quite the attention whore if all you can think about is "mememememe, pay attention to me!",[/Quote]

 

Well slap my ass and call me bertha, I'm self-righteous for pleading to women to quit being insane. I am not just thinking about getting laid (although even if I was, I wonder if those frat boys who get laid every night make a woman's feelings their top priority , LOL!).

 

I'm not saying to pay attention to me, nor am I attention whore. I just ask that if you are for example in a conversation with me, don't completely ignore me once a better looking or tall guy comes over. It is embarrassing when that happens. If you are going to be that way, don't talk to me at all. Is this such a radical idea?

 

you're also a very sore loser if you can't handle the fact that there will always be men out there who are more attractive than you and getting girlfriends.. and YOU are the one that seems shallow. You also seem very selfish.. you care about one thing, and one thing only. YOU[/Quote]

 

How do you figure that?

 

I find it incredibly ironic that a WOMAN, yes a WOMAN, is lecturing me on being a sore loser and on jealousy, LOL! I know for a fact better than you, that there are betters and worse in everything. However, I think it's pretty disturbing and stark the difference between men and women.

 

Contrary to popular belief, what I see every day is different than what they show on TV and in movies. When I see a pretty girl go into my job, most of the guys there either ignore her or make small talk with her, they don't slobber all over the place telling her how amazing she is. However when women see a gouy who is good looking and tall, everything on the planet disappears except for that 1 guy. I've even seen girls who are walking in with their boyfriends, all of a sudden start flirting with my friend when their boyfriend is out of ear shot.

 

I can't find a thing about your personality that I think is attractive. It's no wonder other girls can't find anything either! Based on everything you've said, I wouldn't want to date you or sleep with you either, and I haven't even seen what you look like! [/Quote]

 

How do women know my personality within the first 2 minutes of seeing me?

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I'm not saying to pay attention to me, nor am I attention whore. I just ask that if you are for example in a conversation with me, don't completely ignore me once a better looking or tall guy comes over. It is embarrassing when that happens. If you are going to be that way, don't talk to me at all.

 

Try and be less boring.

 

 

I find it incredibly ironic that a WOMAN, yes a WOMAN, is lecturing me on being a sore loser and on jealousy, LOL! I know for a fact better than you, that there are betters and worse in everything. However, I think it's pretty disturbing and stark the difference between men and women.

 

Laugh all you want.. you're the one having problems getting a girl. :lmao:

 

The whole "men are holier than thou" attitude is definitely helping your cause, too! *sarcasm!*

 

How do women know my personality within the first 2 minutes of seeing me?

 

By the way you carry yourself, your attitude. We don't know your entire personality within 2 minutes. If the conversation doesn't pick up within the first 2 minutes though.. why bother? Also, within 2 minutes it's pretty easy to detect if the person you're talking to is insecure, a player, a whiner, a jock.. if we find something we don't like within the first 2 minutes why would we want to sit around to hear more?

 

Maybe you should learn how to make more lasting 1st impressions while you're working on your attitude issues. If you don't want to take my advice or anyone else's advice on here, that's fine. Good luck ever finding someone. :D

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By the way you carry yourself, your attitude. We don't know your entire personality within 2 minutes. If the conversation doesn't pick up within the first 2 minutes though.. why bother? Also, within 2 minutes it's pretty easy to detect if the person you're talking to is insecure, a player, a whiner, a jock.. if we find something we don't like within the first 2 minutes why would we want to sit around to hear more?

 

Maybe you should learn how to make more lasting 1st impressions while you're working on your attitude issues. If you don't want to take my advice or anyone else's advice on here, that's fine. Good luck ever finding someone. :D

 

 

There are so many things wrong with this, where do i begin? I'm not saying that first impressions don't matter, but to actively reinforce this amazingly crude heuristics - and apparently refuse to look beyond it - is more than childish.

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Besides, if a woman doesn't find you physically and sexually attractive the second she first lays eyes on you, there is nothing you can say or do other than show her your Ferrari, that will change their mind. PERIOD.

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Besides, if a woman doesn't find you physically and sexually attractive the second she first lays eyes on you, there is nothing you can say or do other than show her your Ferrari, that will change their mind. PERIOD.

 

 

Well then here's an idea.. go buy a ferrari.

 

....Or date a man. :rolleyes:

 

Personally, I think you deserve the amount and type of attention that women are giving you.

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Ways you can solve this problem

 

#1 Get off the internet, it's full of losers that don't know what they're talking about or input their ego and exacerbate the problem

#2 Forget about women for a bit. Find a hobby that you love and enjoy and do that you can meet other people with

#3 The hobby will give you loads of enjoyment and eventually lead to a woman, once your personality has a way to come out like that they'll see the side of you that's important and you'll get your opportunity to learn about the opposite sex

#4 Once you've had your experience you'll realise that most sane women just want some good company, someone who makes them laugh, and someone who will turn up if they give birth or their mother dies

 

It really doesn't go past that. You'll notice the people that talk about genetic lotteries and blah de blah are long term losers. But you definitely need to stop classifying and measuring yourself because you'll just come across as insecure.

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