I think i'm just gonna stop dating and go to hookers from now on...

[Els]

This is a red herring. One has 0 to do with another, it is usually punished severely for a dowry to be taken advantage of.

 

And you know that how? Some National Geographic story you heard about a father who demanded too much dowry being thrown out of his village?

 

Oh PLEASE. It's easy to say "he just hasn't met the right one" when you aren't a guy .

 

Sorry it's not me, it's millions of men who have the same complaints. Having a girlfriend or a loyal companion in this society for a man is the exception, not the rule. It shouldn't be that way.

 

Soooo... all those friends of yours whom you say have girlfriends... they are all movie stars and rock gods eh?

 

Your boyfriend may not be a movie star but he probably has a lot of things that make him a lot better than you. Men in your own boat you won't even look at. That is the problem, most men and women are average, so while women won't look at men in their league, they instead share the minority of extremely good looking guys who are tall and rich, later having the nerve to complain that he's not loyal to them. Where does that leave us men who are not the "elite"?

 

Ah, changing your words now. No, if you look purely on the superficial, I believe we're about equal -- although I hate thinking of relationships in such terms, and never have. He is average-looking, and comes from an average-income family, and is a student. So am I; my family is probably richer than his though. I have had guys who are 'superficially better' ie better looking and richer who were interested in me, but I turned them down. Why? Because I look at the person. Something which you claim that all women are incapable of doing. Oh wait, maybe I'm a hermaphrodite or of an alien race now?

 

Oh, and just to add, he's somewhere around 5'5" or 5'6". So yeah, all us women NEED our guys to be REALLY TALL, sure...

 

I said their parents would like me, not for status or wealth, but because generally older generations of people like me and would love it if I dated their daughter, instead of the heroin shooting wife beating convicts women are obssessed with. You are certainly overstating the the wealth thing, the guy who owns the 99cent store by my house had an arranged marriage and he's not a billionaire, he's a working class small business owner. Sure you have to do something, but it's not like western women whose idea of security and comfort is a 3 story mansion with 2 lexus' parked in the garage.

 

Nobody's talking about mansions and lexus' here. I'm talking about the competition. If it's a rural village and most people don't even have 99cent stores he would be superior. So yeah, if you want you could go there with 100,000 USD and make a small brick house there and you could probably take your pick of the girls. But still, that's because YOU'RE the elite there. The elitism doesn't change. It just slides around on the scale of relativity.

 

Oh wait, you're Western, and traditional Asians tend to not want their kids to mingle around with Westerners, or anyone out of their race for the matter. Too bad... so much for them liking you for yourself eh?

 

Material possessions matter to an extent yeah, but western women make it the point of their lives. I doubt a person who practices Hinduism or Buddhism or other traditional societies feels this way simply for the sheer philosophy of such societies.

 

LOL. Hate to break this to you but not everyone in traditional societies are avid followers of Hinduism/Buddishm. For most people here Buddhism isn't a way of life -- or at least not the authentic Buddishm that Gautama intended when it was founded. It's usually just gods that they burn incense to and put fruits on an altar to on special occasions. Asians in developing countries are more money-minded than you think. It's not greed, it's survival. Ever wonder why Chinaman and Japanese companies are the ones with the most stringent conditions and harsh working hours? Because profit is everything; humanity comes second.

 

 

While on the Lifetime channel and other propaganda organs they show women divorcing men for beating them, for being losers ,etc the reality is not the same. In most traditional societies like Islamic ones, if the man abuses the woman not only is she allowed to divorce him , but the man is forced to pay a fine to her and her family and is tried in court. Adultery is another reason for divorce.

 

Ahh. You DO know that in Islamic court the woman needs to produce 4 witnesses to counterbalance the man's one? Go read up your syariah laws. Also, the man is allowed to divorce the woman ON A WHIM, not for any good reason; all he needs to do is proclaim some Quran verses and tell her 'I divorce you' 3 times in the presence of an imam. So how is that preventing divorce again?

 

The reality of divorce in western society is just a consequence of women having too much financial freedom. Most women don't get divorced because of adultery or abuse, but rather because they get "bored" and want to date a younger better looking man or because Oprah told them they can do better. People have forgotten how to love after looks fade with age, and the stupidity of such people means everyone suffers for it. I can bet that when my generation is old, the divorce rate will be 90%.

 

Wow, so you'd rather your woman stay with you ONLY because she doesn't work and needs your financial support... than divorce you so you can find another? Okaaay...

 

 

I have always had a deep interest in far eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism, so I know quite a lot about these societies.

 

What asian country do you live in ? Are you Asian? Is your boyfriend Asia?

 

Tell me again where you get your information from? Magazines? Books? Sorry, anything third-hand is ALWAYS diluted, filtered, selected and processed.

 

No, I'm not going to tell you which country I live in. I'm Chinese. My boyfriend is Chinese. I will tell you this though; my country is made out of predominantly Malays, Chinese and Indians. If you know your Eastern countries as well as you claim I'm sure you'll be able to make an informed guess.

 

Honestly, you trying to tell me how 'Asian societies and traditions REALLY are' is like a bachelor trying to tell a 40-year-old mother of three how raising kids REALLY is.

 

Hate to burst your bubble, dude. But like I said, there's propaganda and media and delusion of sweet green grass on the other side of the world where any and all men regardless of income, status etc can get any girl they want... and there's reality.

[Sam Spade]

I don't want to live in a more traditional society but I wish would regain that independent and wild streak that used to be a staple of manhood. It seems that is slowly being bred out of the male gender at a young age. This is what many women are attracted to and the men who refuse to emasculate themselves in the name of sensitivity are the ones who are lucky with females. We need to start teaching men how to be men again. Rebuild maleness and the problem for the most part will fix itself.

 

That ain't happening. I like the romantic idea, but it ain't happening. In order to succeed (in material, not in self-fulfilment terms, obviously), you need to be a drone in the well oiled machine. Even extraordinary people - such as Michael Jackson - just wake up in the morning, and go to work doing whatever they do best - day after day, year after year.

 

Moreover, I don't think this has ever existed. With the exception of the inspiring examples of the great explorers and scientists of the past, most people throughout most of history have spent their lives droning away.

 

So, the only hope I see of "rebuilding maleness" is finding some relevant escapes. For me it's wrestling, weapons, hiking, travel. But, after I'm done, I'm still in the freaking office, being polite to people who I'd rather punch in the face. And i even like my job, but that doesn't change anything.

 

What can be changed though is to refuse to play in the rat race beyond some reasonable point. Specifically, eventually I'll make quite a lot of money, but I will not buy the biggest and most expensive house I can afford. I'll by the cheapest decent house there is and will use the rest of the money to pursue escapes . I forecee a lot of screaming matches with my future wife on this issue .

[BOLTON33]

And you know that how? Some National Geographic story you heard about a father who demanded too much dowry being thrown out of his village?[/Quote]

 

I know that how everyone else knows things. I piece together evidence and come to a conclusion about something. Why the hell would any western media be pro-traditional societies, the point of western system is to destroy all tradition and spirituality to replace it with the almighty dollar.

 

Soooo... all those friends of yours whom you say have girlfriends... they are all movie stars and rock gods eh?[/Quote]

 

No, but they are very good looking and tall.

 

Ah, changing your words now. No, if you look purely on the superficial, I believe we're about equal -- although I hate thinking of relationships in such terms, and never have. He is average-looking, and comes from an average-income family, and is a student. So am I; my family is probably richer than his though. I have had guys who are 'superficially better' ie better looking and richer who were interested in me, but I turned them down. Why? Because I look at the person. Something which you claim that all women are incapable of doing. Oh wait, maybe I'm a hermaphrodite or of an alien race now?

 

Oh, and just to add, he's somewhere around 5'5" or 5'6". So yeah, all us women NEED our guys to be REALLY TALL, sure...

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Ok you just told me you're Chinese and live in Asia. So guess what, your opinion is irrelevant especially on height. Asians on average are 5'4-5'5 from what I see, so your boyfriend is not that short in the society you live in. Not to mention 6 feet tall guys are not as common as they are in the USA or Canada, so it's hard to tell if you would date that same guy if you had access to tall guys.

 

Nobody's talking about mansions and lexus' here. I'm talking about the competition. If it's a rural village and most people don't even have 99cent stores he would be superior. So yeah, if you want you could go there with 100,000 USD and make a small brick house there and you could probably take your pick of the girls. But still, that's because YOU'RE the elite there. The elitism doesn't change. It just slides around on the scale of relativity.[/Quote]

 

Didn't say it was right, but I guess it's just the way it is.

 

Oh wait, you're Western, and traditional Asians tend to not want their kids to mingle around with Westerners, or anyone out of their race for the matter. Too bad... so much for them liking you for yourself eh?[/Quote]

 

I have absolutely no interest at all in dating outside of my race and certainly respect your decision to do the same. I really hope one day the whole world doesn't become one big gray race. I have to disagree about Asians VS westerners, most Asian women for example are obsessed with white guys, probably because we're taller and more strongly built than Asian men. The Asian guys I know all complain about how their very own women don't even want to date them, it's a real shame.

 

LOL. Hate to break this to you but not everyone in traditional societies are avid followers of Hinduism/Buddishm. For most people here Buddhism isn't a way of life -- or at least not the authentic Buddishm that Gautama intended when it was founded. It's usually just gods that they burn incense to and put fruits on an altar to on special occasions. Asians in developing countries are more money-minded than you think. It's not greed, it's survival. Ever wonder why Chinaman and Japanese companies are the ones with the most stringent conditions and harsh working hours? Because profit is everything; humanity comes second.

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Welcome to the modern world. It stinks.

 

Ahh. You DO know that in Islamic court the woman needs to produce 4 witnesses to counterbalance the man's one? Go read up your syariah laws. Also, the man is allowed to divorce the woman ON A WHIM, not for any good reason; all he needs to do is proclaim some Quran verses and tell her 'I divorce you' 3 times in the presence of an imam. So how is that preventing divorce again?[/Quote]

 

This is done to prevent purjery.

 

Wow, so you'd rather your woman stay with you ONLY because she doesn't work and needs your financial support... than divorce you so you can find another? Okaaay...

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I wouldn't mind. Romantic love never lasts forever, what keeps two people together after a certain point is mutual dependance.

 

Tell me again where you get your information from? Magazines? Books? Sorry, anything third-hand is ALWAYS diluted, filtered, selected and processed.

 

No, I'm not going to tell you which country I live in. I'm Chinese. My boyfriend is Chinese. I will tell you this though; my country is made out of predominantly Malays, Chinese and Indians. If you know your Eastern countries as well as you claim I'm sure you'll be able to make an informed guess.

 

Honestly, you trying to tell me how 'Asian societies and traditions REALLY are' is like a bachelor trying to tell a 40-year-old mother of three how raising kids REALLY is.

 

Hate to burst your bubble, dude. But like I said, there's propaganda and media and delusion of sweet green grass on the other side of the world where any and all men regardless of income, status etc can get any girl they want... and there's reality. [/Quote]

 

If you're anything like women in America, you probably live in a big city, drink Starbucks, and try everything in your power to be as western as possible. There's a reason why traditional societies generally put women in a place, it's because women don't have the same passion for their roots, their soil, and their history that men do. Maybe it's because a woman has never had to go to combat for any of these things.

[Els]

I won't bother to respond to the ad hominem attacks at the bottom of your post. You're going round and round in circles to avoid answering these very pertinent questions: How exactly are you getting your information? What 'evidence' do you have besides this guy down your street who owns a 99 cent store and has an arranged marriage? What makes you think your opinions on how Asian society really functions, are more accurate than those of one who LIVES in Asian society? And yes, Asian societies have Starbucks too, get over it. Doesn't mean they're not Asian regardless. You'd be surprised how traditional the people here still are. Regardless of whether or not I subscribe to their views, the fact is that I have experienced Asian society first-hand and long-term and you have not. If you can't come up with better grounds for disputing my experience than 'I'm very interested in Buddhism and Hinduism' , you've really no case at all.

 

Then again, why do I bother? Continue living in your delusion. Relationships in Asia are perfect. You can get any girl you want if you're a decent guy with some sort of job. They're not shallow at all; oh no, asking a man what he works as and what his father works as are very deep questions to be asking of a prospective son-in-law; it's ALL about his personality. Women are in their 'right place' here because stifling their financial independence is the best way to get them to stay in a relationship with you (actually, from how you write, I'd say this would be literally true for YOU).

 

Also, I never said my boyfriend was short, geez. I said he was OF AVERAGE HEIGHT. You're talking about average joes getting girls, right? Not 4'9" guys with half their face torn off, living off the streets and weighing 400lbs? Also, you're completely ignoring the fact that I said there were better-looking and richer guys after me, whom I turned down because personality and intelligence-wise they were incompatible with me.

[utterer of lies]

I really think the nick alphamale does not suit you at all.

[alphamale]

I really think the nick alphamale does not suit you at all.

its just a joke thread man

 

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[Jersey Shortie]

Hookers and escorts are easier to deal with. That's the whole point right.

 

But lets be honest, it makes you a better man to learn how to deal with women on terms when you don't have to pay them to pretend they like you or even just want to sleep with you.

 

As a chick, I would say "don't cop out".

[Woggle]

Hookers and escorts are easier to deal with. That's the whole point right.

 

But lets be honest, it makes you a better man to learn how to deal with women on terms when you don't have to pay them to pretend they like you or even just want to sleep with you.

 

As a chick, I would say "don't cop out".

 

Some women just are not worth the drama.

[Art_Critic]

Some of my late Fathers great wisdom was .. "You don't need to get married"..."Just get a maid and a whore".."it will be easier and cheaper in the long run"..

 

When I went thru my divorce 8 years ago I did the math.. it would've been cheaper

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I think America's complicated dating rituals inevitably lead to the understandable frustration alpha (and myself) are feeling. Sometimes I wish I had been born in another country that places marriage above love. Travel a bit and you'll see that people just pair up arbitrarily. It's not complicated and everyone has a place and sense of importance to someone else.

You try watching onea them natgeo shows with the arranged marriages and see just how "happy" some of those couples look ummmm no thanks I'll pass!

 

I think were all just becoming a bit to picky when it comes to dating tho and way to much over thinking now back on topic best of luck with that alpha lol...

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Dating does suck, but women are so easy these days that it is not difficult to get a few attractive friends with benefits.

 

The hooker idea is a good one, but I would be nervous about diseases..

So let me get this right.. You would be afraid to get a disease from a hooker but not from a women who sleeps around? did I miss something there..?

[Woggle]

So let me get this right.. You would be afraid to get a disease from a hooker but not from a women who sleeps around? did I miss something there..?

 

Very true. In states where prostitution is legal they are checked constantly so it is a very safe option.

[Woggle]

It's not legal in my state. Which states is it legal in besides Nevada?

 

I think I heard something about Rhode Island as long as it is done indoors.

[alphamale]

you guys think i should implement this plan?

[Citizen Erased]

You try watching onea them natgeo shows with the arranged marriages and see just how "happy" some of those couples look ummmm no thanks I'll pass!

 

I think were all just becoming a bit to picky when it comes to dating tho and way to much over thinking now back on topic best of luck with that alpha lol...

 

You're a Manly fan? Oh dear Lord, are you guys everywhere? It's like a plague.

[canadaguy98]

I think America's complicated dating rituals inevitably lead to the understandable frustration alpha (and myself) are feeling. Sometimes I wish I had been born in another country that places marriage above love. Travel a bit and you'll see that people just pair up arbitrarily. It's not complicated and everyone has a place and sense of importance to someone else.

 

Yes, not just America, but North America. I find that as a guy in today's day and age, you're expected to be this nice sensitive guy, yet a rough and tumble manly man at the same time; your supposed to be able to spend money like water, yet you're supposed to be financially astute; you're supposed to ravage their bodies like an animal in bed, yet you're supposed to be all into candles and flowers to get them there. Your supposed to be chivalrous, but accepting that women can be strong and take care of themselves.

 

Finding the middle ground is a treacherous business.

 

Then to boot when you bag a nice catch and start something, then you deal with the expectation of all of the relationship stuff in the more traditional sense, but then the 'modern woman' trend these days is also that women want to get out and have 'experiences' (as in new exciting guys in new exciting places) and they cheat more than ever, initiate divorce/breakup in most of the cases (I think it's like almost 70% of divorces these days are initiated by women) and its actually the woman putting the screws to a man to be "relationship material" in a lot of cases giving the guy crap for talking about his feelings or trying to make the relationship better.

 

I dont entirely blame women; this new world for them is full of hypocrisy and blurred lines (dress like a slut, be thin and sexy, love your body no matter how it is, settle down find a nice man, get out there and 'go girl' do as you please) I think that women in the post-feminist era now are really confused as to who they are supposed to be.

 

I did a poll once of my friends; the majority of men considered getting married and having kids at some point to be very important in their lives. Very few of the women felt the same way. If you compare that to 'conventional wisdom' you can see how confused the women are, and then when the men do what they are 'supposed' to do and everything goes weird on them they get ready to throw in the towel and just do things like;

- Alpha's go for hookers idea

- Realdoll (look it up)

- Metrosexuality (whatever the hell that is)

 

Honestly IMO if things go sideways with the girl I'm with right now, I'm going to just shop for a girl that wants to live here for free to be my step in girlfriend and sleep in my bed with me with zero relationship for a while. If you asked me if I would consider that a year ago (i've been through two breakups since then, one was a 9 year relationship) I would have nearly died laughing. Now it's actually a serious consideration to just forego the dream altogether.

[Woggle]

The majority of women these days are simply impossible to have a successful relationship with. It usually ends up blowing up in a man's face and even he does manage to keep it going she ends up resenting him for being the same thing she claimed to want. It is much easier to just pay a hooker for some quick thrills and then go on with your life. Most wives and girlfriends end up loving their men as little as most hookers love their johns anyway but with a hooker at least you know it is a business transaction and many of them are good actresses.

[Woggle]

I miss aggressive male hard rock. I have Motorhead on my iPod and whenever I need a charge I listen to them. They are one of the most underrated bands ever and their music is pure male passion. They are the soundtrack to growing your balls back. Whatever happened to stuff like that?

[utterer of lies]

I miss aggressive male hard rock. I have Motorhead on my iPod and whenever I need a charge I listen to them. They are one of the most underrated bands ever and their music is pure male passion. They are the soundtrack to growing your balls back. Whatever happened to stuff like that?

 

 

Music evolved. What used to be 'hard' in the 80ies is now softer than most music in the charts. If you want some modern hard music, you should probably listen to breakcore, hardcore techno or japanese noise music.

[joseffrost]

Music evolved. What used to be 'hard' in the 80ies is now softer than most music in the charts. If you want some modern hard music, you should probably listen to breakcore, hardcore techno or japanese noise music.

 

When I was a wee'un, I thought music could get no heavier than the intro to Money For Nothing by Dire Straits.

[Woggle]

A lot of techno stuff sounds too noisy and mechanical to me. When you listen to Motorhead or most other hard rock from that era it has a very soulful and organic feel to it. It sounds like human beings playing it and you can hear the passion and the feeling in it. A lot of techno and industrial stuff sounds like a factory. Nothing against it but I like a more organic feel to music.

[Jersey Shortie]

Some of my late Fathers great wisdom was .. "You don't need to get married"..."Just get a maid and a whore".."it will be easier and cheaper in the long run"..

 

When I went thru my divorce 8 years ago I did the math.. it would've been cheaper

 

Thanks for pointingn out that most men can reduce women into to catagories worthy only by the services they provide for the guy.

 

Hey guys that are bitching about how women are this or that or don't want to get married. Maybe you need to be asking yourselves how you few women and how your father's did and how you treated them that made women the way they are.

 

The reason women try to be so strong now-a-days is because we realize no man is going to do it for us or be there to protect us. Men are more likely to exploit women then they are to honor and respect them.

 

So yes, please go use hookers and escorts. And at the end of the day you can curl up on your couch, fresh after an orgasm and look around you to the empty place you call home. After all, what really is important here is your orgasm.

[Woggle]

Thanks for pointingn out that most men can reduce women into to catagories worthy only by the services they provide for the guy.

 

Hey guys that are bitching about how women are this or that or don't want to get married. Maybe you need to be asking yourselves how you few women and how your father's did and how you treated them that made women the way they are.

 

The reason women try to be so strong now-a-days is because we realize no man is going to do it for us or be there to protect us. Men are more likely to exploit women then they are to honor and respect them.

 

So yes, please go use hookers and escorts. And at the end of the day you can curl up on your couch, fresh after an orgasm and look around you to the empty place you call home. After all, what really is important here is your orgasm.

 

Do you ever think about why so many men feel like a hooker is less drama? Do you ever even try to see it from our side. Most men end up alone anyway even if they are one of those loving, faithful and commited men that women claim to want. When a man loves and commites to a woman 9 times out of 10 it backfires on him and she ends up crushing his heart. I don't even think that most women are capable of loving a man.

[Trialbyfire]

I think alpha should use hookers and will be happier for it. For all the other men who don't respect women, hookers are your answer to lifestyle, as well. The only consistency I see amongst the men who use hookers, is that it's all about "me", so that's why I think this is a great idea. Use and be used, win/win.

[amerikajin]

I don't want to live in a more traditional society but I wish would regain that independent and wild streak that used to be a staple of manhood. It seems that is slowly being bred out of the male gender at a young age. This is what many women are attracted to and the men who refuse to emasculate themselves in the name of sensitivity are the ones who are lucky with females. We need to start teaching men how to be men again. Rebuild maleness and the problem for the most part will fix itself.

 

I think this post pretty much covers it. If you always behave like a man, you'll never have a problem getting women. You might not always bed the women you find most beddable, and you might not always have the relationships with the ones who are most relationship-worthy, and those are not necessarily the same things. But be a man, and you'll always find a happy medium between the two.