Does OW/OM fOW/fOM use religion/faith to justify their actions?

[NoIDidn't]

On the contrary, those who prefer facts over feelings should be able to recognize when new data negates the old data. Nobody knows everything (well, except my mother... just ask her!), and that includes people who worship at the altar of feelings.

 

But this thread is about feelings and how one uses them to rationalize their actions. Its about their belief systems and their feelings about going against their belief system.

 

I prefer facts and feelings, but not to make all my decisions based solely on feelings or ignoring that the facts may change.

[Thaddeus]

I prefer facts and feelings' date=' but not to make all my decisions based solely on feelings or ignoring that the facts may change.[/quote']I hereby nominate this for Best Post Ever.

 

Well done. My hat - well, my motorcycle helmet - is off to you.

[Chubbi]

I call BS on whoever says "Alls sins are equal." (Bent and GEL) The only person who says that is someone who's done some f- up things in his/her/x life, and want to make everyone else as miserable as he/she/x are.

 

I confess: When I listen to some music, there are cursing words in it and I curse as I sing-a-long. So, I am just as sinful in God's eye as a mother who starves her child to death because I curse? Or, (let's make it personal, then) someone who is a serial cheater?

 

Come on people. Get real. If that's how your God looks at things, then you have a very... um... blind, generalized, unpersonal God.

 

What would be the motivation then of being pure and innocent if you are already condemned to f- up? And when you sin even a little like saying ****! as you cut your hand with a knife- that sin will be equal to a person who plotted to kill 6 million Jews? Why would you even want to try to be pure then if every little thing you do will be equal to all the horrible things other people have done? Why not just run wild? That stupid teacher you wanted to kill- why not just chop her up and be done with that- but no worries! you will still get the same treatment from God just as some scrawny kid who is actually a pretty good kid but masturbates, even though you're the murderer.

 

I'm sorry but that's some b/s to me. I don't think everyone should suffer for everyone else's sins. Some people actually try to be morally righteous and guess what?? SUCCEED at doing so. If there is a God, God isn't blind to that. God sees people struggling and sees that some people actually are not following through on their sins- breaking away from the mold and living piously, and he celebrates that.

 

I'm not saying I'm a saint. The worst thing I've learned from in my life was back in kindergarten I got into a nasty, stupid, childish argument with a girl in a wheelchair(who had a problem with her legs from childhood) and i called her nasty things. Yes, I remember that- yes, I regret it whole-heartedly- yes I feel guilt and anger at myself. But that's my own sin. They aren't equal to everyone else's. There are purer people than me out there in the world and we shouldn't all be painted with a broad-stroke.

 

I can't stand it when people are arrogant and act like they know me or they know everyone just because they know themselves. I'm not you and I think people should humble themselves and speak for themselves ONLY more often than not.

 

If you care to disagree, then please tell me why. I still can't understand why someone would want to believe all sins are equal unless you've done some f- up things and it makes you look less bad than you actually are.

[Reggie]

All sins equal? Makes no sense to me. Our laws recognize this , as well. No one can make a convinving case for this, IMO.

[bentnotbroken]

Sins are equal in the eyes of God. It is the repentance and turning away from sin that makes the difference. When he was on the cross, he didn't say I am dying for only those sins of serious crimes, he said I am dying for all sins.

 

Are some sins more heinous and definitely looked upon more harshly...damn straight as well they should be. I have no sympathy for child molesters and as a mother I would like to do to them what they have never imagined another human could do and not be declared insane(that is something God and I are still arguing over:oI have a feeling that I'm going to lose.) But I thank God that my sins, though not heinous or trying to hurt others(gluttony right now is my biggest sin), that Jesus died for my sins just like he did those who commit atrocities.

 

The difference is I am willing to admit my wrong, repent and work towards not repeating that same sin. Do I believe the dude with the funny mustache and the funny walk who killed millions repented...nah, not with that much hate in his heart. I believe he has a special hot rock in hell and he has on underwear is soaked in gas.

 

Chubbie, you are indeed entitled to your beliefs, God bless.

[NoIDidn't]

Sins are equal in the eyes of God. It is the repentance and turning away from sin that makes the difference. When he was on the cross, he didn't say I am dying for only those sins of serious crimes, he said I am dying for all sins.

 

Actually, this is not true. Sin is the act of transgressing the Law. Sins, the things you do in transgressing the law, are different.

 

Jesus died for Sin, the noun, to pay the price for it (death). And having paid the price for it, He rose again.

 

Sins are definitely not equal in the eyes of God. There is too much in the Bible to prove otherwise. God doesn't like men that don't provide for their families, calling them worse than infidels. If sins were equal to Him, He wouldn't use the word "worse". Also, there are things that God hates and He expounds upon in Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Yet, Proverbs 6:30 saysnot to despise one that steals for hunger. They still have to make restitution, but they are exempt from punishment for it.

[Gamine]

Actually, this is not true. Sin is the act of transgressing the Law. Sins, the things you do in transgressing the law, are different.

 

Jesus died for Sin, the noun, to pay the price for it (death). And having paid the price for it, He rose again.

 

Sins are definitely not equal in the eyes of God. There is too much in the Bible to prove otherwise. God doesn't like men that don't provide for their families, calling them worse than infidels. If sins were equal to Him, He wouldn't use the word "worse". Also, there are things that God hates and He expounds upon in Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Yet, Proverbs 6:30 saysnot to despise one that steals for hunger. They still have to make restitution, but they are exempt from punishment for it.

 

 

Accidentally killing someone while driving a car is not the same as killing them in the act of robbery. Not sharing a cruel bit of gossip with someone who could be emotionally hurt by it is a white lie, but certainly not the same as infidelity. Falling in love with another person while you are married and not acting on it is not the same as falling in love and getting what one wants regardless of the cost to others.

 

The mens rea, the state of our mind and heart has everything to do with the origin of the sin ... and it is the origin of the sin that is to be judged.

 

There are hunters who kill deer to feed their families while others kill deer for to delight in their murderous hearts. I believe that God does not judge the hunter who kills the deer for food. I believe that God judges the murderous heart of the ill intended hunter as a murderer. An action, in and of itself, is merely an action. What is behind the action determines the condition of the soul... and that is what stands naked before God.

 

I would like to mention that one of my posts on this thread that referenced morality... specifically how I receive my morality from my heavenly father... was sent as an 'alert' and removed by the moderator. One would think that I spoke of something vulgar or detrimental to have a post removed. I suppose mentioning my heavenly father was offensive to someone. This is troubling at the very least.

[GreenEyedLady]

So many diverse views.

 

Faith is not something you can prove, or see. It it what you believe.

 

I have my beliefs and everyone else has theirs. No argument in the world would ever change my mind on what I believe.

 

GEL

[complicatedlife]

Actually' date=' this is not true.[/b'] Sin is the act of transgressing the Law. Sins, the things you do in transgressing the law, are different.

 

Jesus died for Sin, the noun, to pay the price for it (death). And having paid the price for it, He rose again.

 

Sins are definitely not equal in the eyes of God. There is too much in the Bible to prove otherwise. God doesn't like men that don't provide for their families, calling them worse than infidels. If sins were equal to Him, He wouldn't use the word "worse". Also, there are things that God hates and He expounds upon in Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Yet, Proverbs 6:30 saysnot to despise one that steals for hunger. They still have to make restitution, but they are exempt from punishment for it.

 

1. There are so many verses in the Bible that prove or disprove this theory. I could quote them all, but we'd be here for a long time. We, as individuals, are going to lean towards whatever we were taught in whatever faith/church we go to, and our own personal conviction.

 

2. The Bible specifically says - I believe it's found in the book of James, that if you break ONE commandment, you break ALL OF THEM.

 

3. If you lie or commit murder, we as humans may see them differently, but in God's world, ALL SIN HAS THE SAME CONSEQUENCE. 1 Corin 6:9-10

4. God doesn't judge the "sin", per se, but, rather, the motivation of the heart in relation to the sin.

[complicatedlife]

Accidentally killing someone while driving a car is not the same as killing them in the act of robbery. Not sharing a cruel bit of gossip with someone who could be emotionally hurt by it is a white lie, but certainly not the same as infidelity. Falling in love with another person while you are married and not acting on it is not the same as falling in love and getting what one wants regardless of the cost to others.

 

The mens rea, the state of our mind and heart has everything to do with the origin of the sin ... and it is the origin of the sin that is to be judged.

 

There are hunters who kill deer to feed their families while others kill deer for to delight in their murderous hearts. I believe that God does not judge the hunter who kills the deer for food. I believe that God judges the murderous heart of the ill intended hunter as a murderer. An action, in and of itself, is merely an action. What is behind the action determines the condition of the soul... and that is what stands naked before God.

 

I would like to mention that one of my posts on this thread that referenced morality... specifically how I receive my morality from my heavenly father... was sent as an 'alert' and removed by the moderator. One would think that I spoke of something vulgar or detrimental to have a post removed. I suppose mentioning my heavenly father was offensive to someone. This is troubling at the very least.

 

When I disagree with you, I usually strongly disagree, but when I agree with you, it's a TOTAL, 100% agreement.

 

Great, great post.