Ethical & Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services...

[alphamale]

 

Fourth Edition, Section 36, page 21

 

"Compassionate and understading care should be given to a person who is the victim of sexual assault. Health care providers should cooperate with law enforcement officials and offer the person psychological and spiritual support as well as accurate medical information. A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization. It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum."

[alphamale]

no one else finds this ludicrous?

[Eve]

I am not a Catholic but yes, I hear that they do not believe in abortion. If they stated anything counter to this in their doc then I would have been surprised.

 

At the end of the day, would you be present at an abortion? To be honest I didnt know that Catholics allowed for any methods that mess with ovulation at all once the deed is done, even within rape. So I am enlightened by that bit of info.

 

Cheers.

 

Take care,

Eve xx

[wuggle]

Jesus, sometimes I really hate religion

[laRubiaBonita]

i was in-patient at a catholic hospital and they would not allow to continue my birth control- and i was taking it more for medical/ health reasons rather than for the prevention of pregnancy.

 

there were even nun nurses all dressed in their garb.

[alphamale]

i was in-patient at a catholic hospital and they would not allow to continue my birth control- and i was taking it more for medical/ health reasons rather than for the prevention of pregnancy.

thats bizarre...did they keep the priests out of the pediatric ward?

 

there were even nun nurses all dressed in their garb.

i would sort of expect that

[TaraMaiden]

Now..... I'm the last person you'd think would present a different point of view.

But I've got al kinds of different thoughts floating in my head, so see what you think....

 

Devout Roman Catholics adhere to the commandments and declare that 'thou shalt not kill' covers it all....Therefore abortion is pretty much off the wish-list. According to those following the Letter, it's a no-brainer - no matter what.

 

But so many other aspects of catholic Doctrine is at odds with what so many feel to be more appropriate, that you wonder where they're getting their directive from. And most likely, it's 'man-generated' as opposed to Divine....

 

nothing in the Bible about eclesiastical celibacy.

Nothing in the bible stating women can't be priests, or that priests cannot marry.

Nothing in the bible about Mary ascending into heaven - as a bona-fide, flesh-and-bone complete human being....

 

This said, Buddhism also states 'Do no harm' and a Buddhist performing - or enabling, assisting or even encouraging - an abortion is breaking the Precept.

But if a woman chooses to pursue that avenue - we wouldn't stand in her way......It's a choice. We may not like it, or even agree with it, but it's not our call......The answer is to be supportive and understanding, and accept that it's the way it is, whatever it is.....

 

I would therefore sum up by saying that there seems to be a world of difference between Christian compassion, and Buddhist compassion.

 

But you could say, I'm biased.

 

And you'd be right.

[quankanne]

you obviously didn't consider the footnote (no. 19), which explains said statement:

 

It is recommended that a sexually assaulted woman be advised of the ethical restrictions that prevent Catholic hospitals from using abortifacient procedures; cf. Pennsylvania Catholic Conference, "Guidelines for Catholic Hospitals Treating Victims of Sexual Assault," Origins 22 (1993): 810.

 

ERDs

[quankanne]

as a Catholic who actively works to promote the faith through my writing ministry, no, I don't see this as ludicrous, just poorly written because it seems to go against itself. However, it doesn't go against Church teaching, which what all Catholic entities must uphold to be in line with the Mother Church.

 

basically, ERDs reinforce what Catholics purport to believe in a real-world setting.

 

am curious though ... why are you getting your panties all in a knot over Catholic teaching? It's not as if there aren't secular facilities out there that will meet needs, nor are people completely unaware of the Church's position on a number of things!

[alphamale]

am curious though ... why are you getting your panties all in a knot over Catholic teaching?

we're trying to get my brother on the physicians staff at this catholic hospital in chicago and there are all these catholic policies and procedures that have to be agreed to before they'll let him on.

 

he wouldn't be involved in ob/gyn but its interesting to note, thats all

[Trialbyfire]

A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization.

Anyone know how quickly a medical test will show conception?

[TaraMaiden]

we're trying to get my brother on the physicians staff at this catholic hospital in chicago and there are all these catholic policies and procedures that have to be agreed to before they'll let him on.

 

he wouldn't be involved in ob/gyn but its interesting to note, thats all

 

Now that's a good talking point.

Would "you" seek a job within an establishment that had certain policies that went against your own ethical, moral or religious values?

When does money become more important than Morals?

And where would you draw the line?

 

or is this going off-topic?

 

(Could start a new thread......if you prefer...... )

[TaraMaiden]

Anyone know how quickly a medical test will show conception?

 

Anything as early as 7 - 10 days, but if laboratory tests with highly technical equipment are used, sometimes more quickly.

I'm betting they probably don't offer those......

 

For most women, it may be possible to determine whether you are pregnant as early as 7-10 days after conception. However, the time required depends greatly on the type of pregnancy test being used, as well as your own individual physiology.

Clinical blood and urine tests, performed by your health care provider, may be more accurate and produce an earlier positive than home pregnancy tests.

 

I took this off a website for home tests, but I can't give a link as it's commercial.....

[Trialbyfire]

Anything as early as 7 - 10 days, but if laboratory tests with highly technical equipment are used, sometimes more quickly.

I'm betting they probably don't offer those......

I'm curious how quickly, right down to the minute. Say a rape victim comes in, who was just raped in the past 12 - 24 hours. How would the hospital 100% know whether there's conception or not? With this in mind, how would they "cleanse" her, for prevention of conception?

 

I see this as an out, if handled in a discreet manner.

[laRubiaBonita]

I'm curious how quickly, right down to the minute. Say a rape victim comes in, who was just raped in the past 12 - 24 hours. How would the hospital 100% know whether there's conception or not? With this in mind, how would they "cleanse" her, for prevention of conception?

 

I see this as an out, if handled in a discreet manner.

 

cleanse her how?

 

a little holy water to the cootch should ensure the new Coming

[quankanne]

I can: R U Pregnut?

 

thanks for the clarification, Alpha. But I'll stick to my guns by saying (1) the Church's reputation precedes herself and (2) her bishops need to learn to dumb down the writing to a level where it's easily understood!

 

that said, I'm wondering that for someone who is of a like mind, this wouldn't be a good match because the decision to deal with issues of abortion and contraceptives is off their shoulders now?

 

last summer, Our Sunday Visitor did a story about Catholic hospitals providing abortion services – ten were in Texas, and two of those were in my diocese – and speculated that as more physicians were hired that had no idea that there was such a thing as an ethical directive that a Catholic hospital operates under, it was entirely possible that these procedures were taking place. Other thing was that some of these hospitals (like ours here) were merging with secular outfits and the Catholic standards are getting watered down as a result. Rubia's comments about seeing the nuns in full garb only reminds me that while they might be visible, they're sometimes the ONLY Catholic thing about the place, becuase it sure isn't evident is policy or practice!

[alphamale]

thanks for the clarification, Alpha.

no problema

[Enema]

I never knew if it was a joke... but, my brother and his catholic wife have 6 children and when asked if they use contraception he says, "We use catholic contraception - if God wants us to stop having children, he'll take care of it".

 

If God does not want a rape victim to conceive - why doesn't the catholic church have faith that he'll take care of it and not provide a hospital cleansing?

[wuggle]

I never knew if it was a joke... but, my brother and his catholic wife have 6 children and when asked if they use contraception he says, "We use catholic contraception - if God wants us to stop having children, he'll take care of it".

 

If God does not want a rape victim to conceive - why doesn't the catholic church have faith that he'll take care of it and not provide a hospital cleansing?

 

So if I'm reading that right , that implies that if a rape victim got pregnant and did not want to (and I'm sure most don't) then God was forcing this decision on them because it was what he wanted, thus negating free-will ? I'm confused , I thought we were all made to love him and serve him using free will ? but if he forces bad things to happen to us because it is what he wants then this isn't free will, it's bullying, does that actually make sense to anyone ?? :mad:

[TaraMaiden]

Free will is what we have, as long as we do what he says, because if we don't it's jalapeno chilli-pepper curtains.

 

Don't do as I do, do as I say.

 

Simple really.

[quankanne]

why doesn't the catholic church have faith that he'll take care of it and not provide a hospital cleansing?

 

the faith aspect comes in accepting his will – in this case, a possible pregnancy – but that's only one option. Abortions are readily available. Just not through a Catholic provider or facility who adheres to ERDs.

 

I never knew if it was a joke... but, my brother and his catholic wife have 6 children and when asked if they use contraception he says, "We use catholic contraception - if God wants us to stop having children, he'll take care of it".

 

hmmm ... my thought is that if they're going into it knowing what the outcome of sexual intercourse is, and aware of times of fertility of the body, that's one thing, going into it with "God in mind," but if they're just plugging away and come up with an "oopsy" pregnancy, that's defeating the whole purpose of natural family planning (what the church promotes as opposed to birth control).

[boldjack]

Why should this surprise you, Alpha. Human rights have always been a very low priority item on the Catholic Agenda.

[BenThereDunThat]

Not so much humans as much as women.

[quankanne]

Human rights have always been a very low priority item on the Catholic Agenda.

 

so much for centuries of preaching and enacting social justice *rolls eyes upward*

 

technically, She's ensuring human rights for even the most vulnerable (and voiceless) of people: pre-born humans.

[alphamale]

Why should this surprise you, Alpha. Human rights have always been a very low priority item on the Catholic Agenda.

it doesn't suprise me, its just funny/interesting to see it written out as a policy statement