MM's & Karma

[bentnotbroken]

Oh... one more thing... I do believe in consequences. If you read what I wrote, I said as much. I spend a lot of time evaluating potential consequences for the actions I take. Just because you think that all affairs are trainwrecks waiting to happen, doesn't mean it has to be that way.

 

 

UUMMM, okay:confused:

[spiraling downward]

UUMMM, okay:confused:

Well, I happen to be proving you wrong.

[bentnotbroken]

and I assume you consider your way superior? If so, why are you even wasting your time on me? Do you need some kind of validation from other moralists that "have it all figured out?"

 

 

Don't know if it superior or not. Do know that no one was hurt by cheating from me. And any validation that I need would never come from another person, we all make dumb moves. I only need that from God.

[bentnotbroken]

Well, I happen to be proving you wrong.

 

 

Ummm okay, again:confused:.

[GreenEyedLady]

There are consequences for all of our actions.

 

Consequences can be either good or bad.

 

And then there's an element of chance that can change the outcome of an action.

 

The only thing we can do is make the best choices that we can so we get better outcomes and take responsibility for our actions when we hurt others.

 

GEL

[bentnotbroken]

There are consequences for all of our actions.

 

Consequences can be either good or bad.

 

And then there's an element of chance that can change the outcome of an action.

 

The only thing we can do is make the best choices that we can so we get better outcomes and take responsibility for our actions when we hurt others.

 

GEL

 

Agreed. We will all be held accountable, one way or the other.

[Devil Inside]

I feel exactly the way you do Devil Inside. I understand. Anyone who invests emotions in an affair feels this way whether it is the MM/MW/OM/OW. Anyone who believes otherwise is lying to themselves including the BS.

 

 

In my case it's true. I know it sucks for my W that I feel loss...but I do. I think that when an affair happens it has a huge effect on all the parties involved. No need for karma...affairs have predictable outcomes...pain for all involved.

[spiraling downward]

And any validation that I need would never come from another person, we all make dumb moves. I only need that from God.

 

and who is your god? I suppose your god talks to you too? good stuff.

 

you may have made some dumb moves.... the move I made going after the woman I wanted, is turning out to be a very smart move for me.

[spiraling downward]

Agreed. We will all be held accountable, one way or the other.

 

You certainly have a way of twisting other people's words.... I believe GEL said consequences can be good or bad...

[Gamine]

Well then, it all come down to personal ethics and one's perception of right and wrong... I can give you many valid reasons where the good far outweighs the bad in my affair.... if you are of a different moralistic mindset than I am... you will probably never see things my way. I assume that you and I are in very different places on what we consider right and wrong.

 

Isn't it strange when we are the ones inflicting pain? I gathered from your prior post that your wife cheated on you and it hurt badly. Now you do unto others as others have done onto you.

 

Karma is not fate. It is the same philosophy as 'we reap what we sow', and 'live by the sword die by the sword'. We get what give give out. Perhaps its effect as a universal law is something that eludes you, however don't let labels on ideologies, philosophies, right and wrong, etc... fool you into sliding down the slippery slope of doing whatever 'feels good' for you may wind up not feeling so good. Right now you feel powerful again in the whirlwind of your affair. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

The law of cause and effect is nothing new.

 

Perhaps someone who is cruel to animals winds up with bacterial infections or cancer. Perhaps someone who is abusive to a spouse has a tree fall on their car. Nature has a funny way of evening the score. Give out good and bounties follow. Give out pestilence and, well, the rest is history.

 

Live by the sword and enjoy the vanity that wielding it brings you.

[spiraling downward]

No need for karma...affairs have predictable outcomes...pain for all involved.

 

Not necessarily dude... you just need to be willing to make the changes in your life to get what you need. waffling and fence setting gets you nowhere. make a choice and go with it.

[bentnotbroken]

You certainly have a way of twisting other people's words.... I believe GEL said consequences can be good or bad...

 

 

 

No. I don't' believe in karma. It appears you don't believe in consequences. In justice or in my mind reaping what you sow, good or bad.

 

 

I do believe I said that also.

[Gamine]

You certainly have a way of twisting other people's words.... I believe GEL said consequences can be good or bad...

 

If you consider 'getting what you want' to be a good consequence then you are living for immediate gratification. The heros in films are rarely depicted as those who live in the periphery of life getting 'what they want'. Heros sacrifice their comfort zone for the sake of others. They can have bad 'consequences' or outcomes meaning death in so doing. But why then do we look upon them with awe?

[Devil Inside]

Not necessarily dude... you just need to be willing to make the changes in your life to get what you need. waffling and fence setting gets you nowhere. make a choice and go with it.

 

I made the choice...I am going to work on things with the W. That doesn't mean there is no pain..ya know?

[spiraling downward]

The law of cause and effect is nothing new.

 

This exists in physics (see Newton's laws of motion). To extrapolate this to the metaphysical is purely conjecture.

[bentnotbroken]

and who is your god? I suppose your god talks to you too? good stuff.

 

you may have made some dumb moves.... the move I made going after the woman I wanted, is turning out to be a very smart move for me.

 

 

Why yes he does:) Do you know him too? And the turning may not be over yet.

[GreenEyedLady]

The law of cause and effect is nothing new.

 

Perhaps someone who is cruel to animals winds up with bacterial infections or cancer. Perhaps someone who is abusive to a spouse has a tree fall on their car. Nature has a funny way of evening the score. Give out good and bounties follow. Give out pestilence and, well, the rest is history.

 

The examples you cited are not cause and effect.

 

The simple fact is s*** happens. It's that element of chance.

 

Under your thinking, the BS must have done something to deserve being cheated on. And all people who have cancer must have done some horrible things in their life to suffer in such a way. Which we all know is not true.

 

We do not have control over anything but our own actions.

 

It is superstitious to believe that "nature" is going to even the score.

 

It's cause and effect, not hocus pocus.

 

GEL

[spiraling downward]

If you consider 'getting what you want' to be a good consequence then you are living for immediate gratification. The heros in films are rarely depicted as those who live in the periphery of life getting 'what they want'. Heros sacrifice their comfort zone for the sake of others. They can have bad 'consequences' or outcomes meaning death in so doing. But why then do we look upon them with awe?

I'm not talking about movies, dear. I'm talking about a decision that will affect the rest of my life. It's really just about her and I, her children and my children.... and this will turn out good for all the parties I just mentioned.

[Gamine]

This exists in physics (see Newton's laws of motion). To extrapolate this to the metaphysical is purely conjecture.

 

Okay, so what is conjecture for you is a universal law to me. You flip the coin. I hope you wind up with the right side of it.

[spiraling downward]

Why yes he does:) Do you know him too? And the turning may not be over yet.

and you or I may get hit by a bus tomorrow... eventually something bad will happen in all of our lives. The prophets of doom are eventually all right... if they wait long enough.... but they themselves might not live long enough to see it happen!!!

[spiraling downward]

Okay, so what is conjecture for you is a universal law to me. You flip the coin. I hope you wind up with the right side of it.

like I said, it's conjecture. it's in your faith, so it must be true!!

[Gamine]

I'm not talking about movies, dear. I'm talking about a decision that will affect the rest of my life. It's really just about her and I, her children and my children.... and this will turn out good for all the parties I just mentioned.

 

Well, my dear, I am talking about the movies. I'm talking about the soldiers. I'm talking about the firemen. I'm talking about police officers. I'm talking about good samaritans. I'm also talking about everyday people who go beyond feeding their faces with the bounty of life. Read "My Native Land" by Sir Walter Scott and you'll get the drift.

[Gamine]

like I said, it's conjecture. it's in your faith, so it must be true!!

 

This truth is the cornerstone of the belief systems of billions, if not trillions, of people throughout time. "I" just happen to be one of them.

[TaraMaiden]

I think all of this karma talk is B.S. We would like to think that there will be justice and repercussions for people's behavior which affects us negatively...

 

If you'd bothered to read my linked thread and other posts, you'd know that Karma has nothing to do with justice and repercussions. the only karma anyone should be concerned with, is their own.

 

but in the real world, things don't work that way. Oh sure, we can try to string together non-connected events and paint an argument that one was the cause of the other, but that is probably the most deluded thinking I've seen around here.

And that's why Buddhism doesn't ever do that.

 

Our actions do directly impact those around us though... even innocent bystanders. We have much control over events and eventual outcomes.

Now, that's better.....!

 

Many narcissistic people live their whole lives without experiencing "consequence". The only thing that eventually slows them down is old age and death.

But this is incorrect. Many narcissistic people live their whole lives in denial, and projecting responsibility for consequences onto others. they experience negative things - but somehow, it always manages to be someone else's fault.....

 

Life is really what we ourselves make of it. Fate is for the naive.

Yup, I would agree here, too....

 

 

because I don't believe in Karma???

You DO believe in Karma. You just didn't realise it....!

 

No. I don't' believe in karma. It appears you don't believe in consequences. In justice or in my mind reaping what you sow, good or bad.

Karma isn't a process to be believed in or not. Karma is a natural process that happens whether you believe it or not. In other words, it's a naturally-occurring phenomenon that still functions, regardless of what you believe.

Like radiowaves, or electricity....

 

 

Oh... one more thing... I do believe in consequences. If you read what I wrote, I said as much. I spend a lot of time evaluating potential consequences for the actions I take. Just because you think that all affairs are trainwrecks waiting to happen, doesn't mean it has to be that way.

 

if that isn't a summation of what karma is, I'm a little blue-green man from Atlantis.

 

(I'm not, by the way.

Honest.)

[spiraling downward]

This truth is the cornerstone of the belief systems of billions, if not trillions, of people throughout time. "I" just happen to be one of them.

 

and the masses are like sheep being led to the slaughter... to accept Karma or one's personal fate to dictate your position in life... is allowing yourself to be controlled. I acknowledge that most people do need some form of that thinking in their lives.