Gamine Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Yes I know you were talking about Gamine.. but I was just adding my 02 cents... It's easy for some people to throw some rocks.. when, they, themselves had done the same thing.. just in a different time 'frame'.. I assure you, Lizzie60, I have never done the same thing as you in any time frame. In every relationship I have ever had I was treated like a lady and behaved like a lady. In my 48 years I have never had a ONS or sex meet-up as I think way too much of myself as a woman to be a piece for anyone... and I think way too much of men to have them be a piece for me. I have always held the personal belief that the totality of who I am as a woman is worth something. Not just my private parts. My heart, for example. My personality, sense of humor and my kindness. My generosity. I'd have to say that the thing that irks me the most about you, Lizzie60, is that you have this air of enjoyment concerning the degradation of the men you are involved with ... as well as their spouses. It is as if you use sex to control them and bring them down. Your post suggests a cruelty and an intentional purpose to inflict cruelty upon men. I honestly do not view you as an OW at all. You have openly stated that you accept 'gifts' in exchange for sex. Furthermore, that you garner delight in messing with these guys heads.... and to make matters worse... the destruction of their marriages. I tend to think that if you were all that and a bag of chips you wouldn't have such a chip on your shoulder and wouldn't get off on thinking about crap like a guys smelling like you. Or make statements that you are in it for getting what's due you (or so you think) even if you have to destroy someone to get it. All of the boobs, crotches, legs, arms, eyes, hair... and all the sex in the world will never get you love. You'll have control, demise, and cruelty ... but never actual love and that is terribly sad. Link to post Share on other sites
MSUE Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Go Gamine...I love your post and hoghly agree with it specially this part "I tend to think that if you were all that and a bag of chips you wouldn't have such a chip on your shoulder and wouldn't get off on thinking about crap like a guys smelling like you. Or make statements that you are in it for getting what's due you (or so you think) even if you have to destroy someone to get it. All of the boobs, crotches, legs, arms, eyes, hair... and all the sex in the world will never get you love. You'll have control, demise, and cruelty ... but never actual love and that is terribly sad" Link to post Share on other sites
Nocturne Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 I cannot help but imagine a Saturday Night Live skit whereby a 'hot looking' woman picks up a man... brings him back to her place... and as the become intimate... his hands move through her hair and get caught in a hairpiece... that he sakes off his fingers. Horrified, looking to her he sees her red lipstick smeared like a clown and a false eyelash now in a diagonal position... floating. He shakes that one off. Off come her clothes and underneath is volumes of shapewear, push up bras... and when all of these items, including the 'cutlets' to add volume are yanked out of the bra... he has standing before him an almost 60 year old woman who has been rode hard and put away wet. Crass, yes. But funny in a dry way.... Sounds like an apt description of Lizzie, except you forgot the half smoked cigarrette dangling from one corner of the red, lipstick smeared mouth....lol Link to post Share on other sites
Gamine Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Go Gamine...I love your post and hoghly agree with it specially this part "I tend to think that if you were all that and a bag of chips you wouldn't have such a chip on your shoulder and wouldn't get off on thinking about crap like a guys smelling like you. Or make statements that you are in it for getting what's due you (or so you think) even if you have to destroy someone to get it. All of the boobs, crotches, legs, arms, eyes, hair... and all the sex in the world will never get you love. You'll have control, demise, and cruelty ... but never actual love and that is terribly sad" Thanks for showing up MSUE before I wind up in some sicko debate over why I should understand it is perfectly healthy and normal to turn 50 and decide to become a 'lady of the evening'. Honestly, how does someone of 'a certain age' even process this insanity as something as benign as 'having a healthy sexual appetite'... for if it were only that it would be sex only without all of the vampiristic comments in the 'OW Letter to the Wife'. On one hand the 'lifestyle' is painted as being a free spirit. Then, on the other hand, there's this comment that she is a mistress. Which is it, I wonder? And also, why would someone so 'irresistible' to men have to go to such lengths with someone's husband? Given the content of the letter and the clear desire for attachment from the guy, it appears that this 'lifestyle' isn't about free sex at all, but rather a quest to obtain love. Link to post Share on other sites
Reggie Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 It's definitely a lifestyle that is foreign to many of us. But, I have come to believe that many folks are okay just going this route, hooking or whatever. They may not actually be sad or lonely. It is just the way they see life. Link to post Share on other sites
Gamine Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 It's definitely a lifestyle that is foreign to many of us. But, I have come to believe that many folks are okay just going this route, hooking or whatever. They may not actually be sad or lonely. It is just the way they see life. But it doesn't seem to be purely a 'lifestyle' given the sentiments expressed in the 'letter'. On one hand, there is a defiant declaration of sex for the sake of sex with no strings. Then, on the other hand, a fixation on the attachment from and for the man and the statement that she is a mistress. Which is it? I doubt those women on the sex hook up sites see themselves as mistresses. Therein lies the paradox. Therein lies the broken heart. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Sounds like an apt description of Lizzie, except you forgot the half smoked cigarrette dangling from one corner of the red, lipstick smeared mouth....lol Hahaha.. too funny.. old posters under a new username.. scared of infractinos?... pathetic.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 It's definitely a lifestyle that is foreign to many of us. But, I have come to believe that many folks are okay just going this route, hooking or whatever. They may not actually be sad or lonely. It is just the way they see life. Bon... finalement.. it's about time... Link to post Share on other sites
silktricks Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 It's definitely a lifestyle that is foreign to many of us. But, I have come to believe that many folks are okay just going this route, hooking or whatever. They may not actually be sad or lonely. It is just the way they see life. I've never understood, nor agreed with the idea that a choice people make about how they live their life automatically describes their inner being. I know two women who have had many affairs, and I don't know Lizzie, but the two women I do know do not fit "sad and lonely" at all. They are both very happy with their life, enjoy the affairs, according to them they have no desire to marry, and prefer sleeping with married men. Not sad nor lonely at all. Very happy and content with their lives. The fact that they leave a trail of destruction in their wake seems not to bother them in the slightest.... I do not like their lifestyle at all, but as people they are quite fun and interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
Reggie Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 But it doesn't seem to be purely a 'lifestyle' given the sentiments expressed in the 'letter'. On one hand, there is a defiant declaration of sex for the sake of sex with no strings. Then, on the other hand, a fixation on the attachment from and for the man and the statement that she is a mistress. Which is it? I doubt those women on the sex hook up sites see themselves as mistresses. Therein lies the paradox. Therein lies the broken heart. Yeah, I can see the contradictions. Folks that are truly happy do not seem to have the need to broadcast it. Same with the professed incomparable bedroom skills. Who knows, maybe its true. Humans are complex and I realize that I often project my own values on some people. Her lifestyle would not work for me. It would make me sad. Maybe it works for her. Link to post Share on other sites
Owl Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 I would agree that Lizzie's....mindset...isn't that of a "standard OW". Not at all. But Lizzie forgot to mention that the majority of her....MM (clients?) provide her with...."gifts"...as part of their arrangement. Lizzie is not an OW. Lizzie is (as I've said before) a "paid professional". This isn't a "relationship" with her MM. It's a business arrangement...an exchange of "gifts" for "services". The only real unusual thing here is that Lizzie seems to be proud of and thoroughly enjoy her business arrangements...I'd gotten the impression that most "working girls" don't normally do so. Link to post Share on other sites
IfWishesWereHorses Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Lizzie, Lizzie, Lizzie, I honestly only made it through the first 5 pages of responses. Firstly, what you as your 'role' sounds like any drug of choice. Something that many people use to escape reality for a while. Unfortunately, that can only last a while. So, you are proud of your role as a drug. Seriously, what you describe sounds like a trip to grandma's for an adolescent. Stay up late, no chores, as many cookies as you can eat. Well, and there's the age comparison. Secondly, let's ditch what you are to them, and look at what they are to you. At your age, you are not going to have your body to fall back on for long. Don't be fooled for one minute that there aren't younger sexier women that catch these men's (cheater's) eyes. You KNOW this, which is why you can't trust to be in a R with a single man. You're affraid. I remember the SM that lied to you! You were indignant. You KNEW you couldn't compete. You also know that what you are using to make yourself feel desirable, has an expiration date. You ain't gettin' any younger! What will you have then? How will you cope when you no longer can attract them. Age passes no one by. You feel it coming to an end. I've heard you give your opinion of people who have Gastric bypass surgery, particularly a friend of yours. You say that the eating is a sign of something deeper. I've never been able to read your opinion without wondering if you cannot see that in y ourself. The desire to be so desirable, is a sign of something deeper. I'll tell you, if I was going to put my eggs all in one basket, especially at your age, I wouldn't do it based on physical appearance! You're gonna wake up one day and have nothing. Right now, you are a safe fantasy, safer than the girl at the coffee shop, they can live their fantasy while you play grandma and give them their hearts desire til you send them home to the real life of their choosing. Don't think that they aren't thinking about the girl at the coffee shop or that you are the end all of their fantasy. You are each providing a service for each other. They make you feel desirable, and you give them sex. You "note" makes it sound like you think you are some magic elixer. If that really existed, you might want to grab a bottle yourself before its too late. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 I would agree that Lizzie's....mindset...isn't that of a "standard OW". Not at all. But Lizzie forgot to mention that the majority of her....MM (clients?) provide her with...."gifts"...as part of their arrangement. Lizzie is not an OW. Lizzie is (as I've said before) a "paid professional". This isn't a "relationship" with her MM. It's a business arrangement...an exchange of "gifts" for "services". The only real unusual thing here is that Lizzie seems to be proud of and thoroughly enjoy her business arrangements...I'd gotten the impression that most "working girls" don't normally do so. Owl.. Owl.. Owl.. I will say this again.. (I've said it many times..now listen ) Not all my MMs or lovers know about my lifestyle... my MM from work.. now this is a real A..even if you say it's not.. I know it is.. He has absolutely no clue. There is certainly no business arrangement with this guy... we see each other mainly on work hours.. go out.. (when he's out playing golf, ha-hem).. So .. guess .. I have all kinds of A.. business arrangements, real A, single lovers.. massage only 'relationships'... all kinds.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 You know what ... I know we all have an expire date.. I'm not crazy.. we ALL do.. so right now.. I'm enjoying my life as much as I can. All my MMs right now.. we've been seeing each other for over 6 years.. not long after my last separation... so it's not like they come over for a couple of months.. we develop friendship.. etc. Not all guys want young woman.. my young MM can have all the young women he wants.. but his 2 affairs were with women 22 and 31 years older.. He much prefer older women.. I remember the SM that lied to you! You were indignant. You KNEW you couldn't compete. Compete with what.. we still see each other.. We are all vulnerable when aging.. men and women... even if I had a serious relationship right now.. that would not guarantee 'long term' .. I have no desire, right now.. but that could change. to get into something serious.. maybe later.. there are men and women looking at ALL ages.. I'm not concerned about not having anyone.. Link to post Share on other sites
boldjack Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 I will only comment once. I'm sorry Liz, but your letter smacks too much of somebody "whistling in the dark." Your letter is not ment for the wives, but to justify your actions to yourself. Please feel free to do this, but don't insult the intelligence of the other posters, by adopting a defensive and superior attitude. Your lifestyle is your own, and you are welcome to it. I hope that you will feel the same in the future. I do wish that I knew you better, so that you would be at least, more honest with me.:) A truly strong-willed person does not feel the need to defend their actions or beliefs. Link to post Share on other sites
Owl Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Owl.. Owl.. Owl.. I will say this again.. (I've said it many times..now listen ) Not all my MMs or lovers know about my lifestyle... my MM from work.. now this is a real A..even if you say it's not.. I know it is.. He has absolutely no clue. There is certainly no business arrangement with this guy... we see each other mainly on work hours.. go out.. (when he's out playing golf, ha-hem).. So .. guess .. I have all kinds of A.. business arrangements, real A, single lovers.. massage only 'relationships'... all kinds.. Agreed. Note I said that the "majority" of your MM's... You've mentioned many times that you have one or two that you throw 'freebies" to. That doesn't negate the fact that the remainder of these are "business arrangements"... What you said didn't negate that. And that again explains the huge gap in mindset between a woman who's in an emotional affair with a man she knows is married and your own mindset. Link to post Share on other sites
Reggie Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hahaha.. too funny.. old posters under a new username.. scared of infractinos?... pathetic.. I'm scared of both infractions and infarctions. Link to post Share on other sites
Dexter Morgan Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 ... it's Plagiarism Alpha... whoever accused her of having an original thought? She did try to pass it off as her own didn't she?:lmao::lmao: BUSTED!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 I will only comment once. I'm sorry Liz, but your letter smacks too much of somebody "whistling in the dark." Your letter is not ment for the wives, but to justify your actions to yourself. Please feel free to do this, but don't insult the intelligence of the other posters, by adopting a defensive and superior attitude. Your lifestyle is your own, and you are welcome to it. I hope that you will feel the same in the future. I do wish that I knew you better, so that you would be at least, more honest with me.:) A truly strong-willed person does not feel the need to defend their actions or beliefs. Woop woop.. woop.. I was kidding about Rome.. I started this thread as a spin-off of another thread (OW she loves like she masturbate).. come on.. what is good for one side.. is good for the other.. and I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence any more than they are.. Superior attitude: humm.. go back and re-read those BS threads... talk about 'superior attitude'... Link to post Share on other sites
Reggie Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Agreed. Note I said that the "majority" of your MM's... You've mentioned many times that you have one or two that you throw 'freebies" to. That doesn't negate the fact that the remainder of these are "business arrangements"... What you said didn't negate that. And that again explains the huge gap in mindset between a woman who's in an emotional affair with a man she knows is married and your own mindset. Well, now you are straining the bounds of believability, Lizzie. Are you trying to tell me this guy is forgoing his golf to see you? Please, even I know that no healthy person would do such a thing. I mean, it is golf, after all. Link to post Share on other sites
Impudent Oyster Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 . Noone posted your tits on the internet, just like none of the OW on here slept with your H. Its Lizzie's choice to post what she wants. As the old french saying goes, stir your own onions. Let it go. Why are you telling me to "let it go"? I made ONE comment about her choice to post a photo of her breasts. Of course no one posted my tits on the internet, why would you even make such an absurd comment? Yes, it's Lizzie's choice to post a photo of her breasts on the internet, and it's my choice to comment on the pathology of someone who would do so. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Well, now you are straining the bounds of believability, Lizzie. Are you trying to tell me this guy is forgoing his golf to see you? Please, even I know that no healthy person would do such a thing. I mean, it is golf, after all. Hahaha.. maybe not for you.. but he likes to FOREplay .. and we always play 'best balls' Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 I'm scared of both infractions and infarctions. Oups.. typo.. and you probably meant infractus.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lizzie60 Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Why are you telling me to "let it go"? I made ONE comment about her choice to post a photo of her breasts. Of course no one posted my tits on the internet, why would you even make such an absurd comment? Yes, it's Lizzie's choice to post a photo of her breasts on the internet, and it's my choice to comment on the pathology of someone who would do so. Jealousy will take you nowhere.. Link to post Share on other sites
Impudent Oyster Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Jealousy will take you nowhere.. Poor delusional woman....if I posted my photo you would cry. That is a FACT. Link to post Share on other sites
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