Yet another guy stuck in a sexless marriage

[angie2443]

No, but....if a woman loves her husband as she says she does, or rather if my wife says she loves me as she says she does, then giving of herself may not be as fun, but yet out of love, she would want to please me. While this is not nearly as satisfying as when it is mutual pleasure, yet it does say that "While I cannot get into it as I did, I love you enough to at least keep you satisfied."

 

 

I am expected to enjoy listening and sitting down with her to hear how her day went and to listen to her problems because this is a good way to bond and build the emotional connection that she "needs" (her word) to stay close to me. Yet she does not feel that same desire to fill my need for the physical connection I need for staying close to her.

 

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I had a memory when I read this. Years age, sometime after the birth of our second child, I started falling out of love with my husband. He had become involved with an online game. He had always loved games, but at least before the kids, there was enough time for "us". One of our bonding times came at night when we would hang out in bed for a while and just play around. When he started getting hooked on the game, those nights together started disapearing. First it was a couple of nights that he'd be up untill 4:00 a.m.( he worked the mid shift so he could stay up that late). Then it was 3 or 4 nights. At first, I tried to except it. At least he was home. I soon realized I was loosing my love for him and so I had to talk with him about it. At first I tried to barter. I asked for three 4 nights that we could go to bed together. This made him angry. Then I asked for 2. Then one. When he would give me a night, which was rare, he would stare at the ceiling and say, "can I go play my game now?". It's painful to even think of that now.

 

Part of what I wondered and wonder now when I read this thread, is, did he really love me back then? If you love someone, is it that much of a sacrifice to give them an hour or so per weak of your time? Even if it was an activity that you didn't really enjoy, if that activity isn't harmful, then is it really that bad doing that activity once in a while? The only reason I can think of for not wanting to share such a small amount of time with your partner, is lack of love.

[LolitaVida]

My wife and I are in our early 50s and have been married for 30+ years. Yep, now we're in the prime menopause years!

 

She's never been overly interested in sex but it really started slowing down 5 years ago. It’s been once a year for the last 3 years and it hasn’t been much more satisfying than an obligatory duty for her. The last 2 times she let me know our “session” (as she calls it) ended by saying “Well, that ought to last you for a while.”

 

A couple of months ago, I steeled myself and tried to talk to her about my feelings. She broke out in tears, denials and accusations. Her biggest argument has been “there’s such a thing as male menopause too.” Maybe so but I am at the peak of my physical fitness. I run and work out several times a week. My health and physical condition are better than most 35 year old males. I definitely don’t have ED, either.

 

I’ve reconciled with myself that she is medically disabled due to her menopause. Her excuses and not being willing to acknowledge we have a problem are causing serious friction. I’m really getting fed up with substituting activities like hiking and exercising for intimacy with my wife but something has to give before I go insane.

 

She has a part time job. We have two kids and everyone shares equally in the household responsibilities. No one has too much or too little to do. I have an excellent job that does not require too much overtime, so I'm home for dinner every night. I make a six-figure salary and we have no financial problems.

 

I'm not into internet porn. Actually, I think most of it looks pretty silly. Strip clubs and phone sex lines are equally ridiculous, especially since nothing is going to happen other than me parting with money and getting nothing in return. I need physical interaction.

 

I’m not into hookers but some of my friends have suggested relieving the stress with discrete online dating services. Most are too afraid of their wives to do anything but talk. A couple of them, however, really swear by it as a sanity saver.

 

Advice?

I wouldn't recommend going the escort route. I mean how can you get it up knowing that the only women these women are "doing it" with you is your money? My advice is to be frank with your wife about your thoughts of cheating. Tell her that your needs are not being met and how her feelings about sex make you feel. if nothing changes, then get a divorce.

good luck!

[JamesM]

I wouldn't recommend going the escort route. I mean how can you get it up knowing that the only reason these women are "doing it" with you is your money?

 

First off, providing a service does not mean it is only done for the money. Many women actually do enjoy it and provide a fantasy for guys such as John. They get off on knowing that they can make such a man happy. And repeat visits can become friendships and then it certainly is done for more than the money.

 

Second, we go to many places and let people do things for us, and they only do it "for the money." Eating out, going to movies, getting massages, getting haircuts, going to doctors, watching any entertainer, going to concerts, etc. are just some of the ways. Do we say when we go that we do not get as much enjoyment out of it because "they only do it for the money?"

 

(But James, how can you compare sex with those things? )

 

Because a good escort creates the fantasy of being more than just sex. For sex starved men such as myself, this may be the relief that is needed for the time being. No, I am not there yet, but a little research by anyone here can see that the right person can create the right fantasy. Reviews from guys who have visited them give indication of this.

 

My point is not to send him to escorts...or send myself...but would we say to a man wanting steak, "But how can you eat that hamburger knowing that it is not steak?" Fact is...when you are hungry enough, hamburger tastes as good or better than steak.

 

My advice is to be frank with your wife about your thoughts of cheating. Tell her that your needs are not being met and how her feelings about sex make you feel.

 

I think he has been down this road more than once.

 

 

if nothing changes, then get a divorce.

good luck!

 

Refer to my earlier post about how it is certainly not admirable to divorce and split up a family over the lack of sex. And truthfully even to a man without sex, this is not a great idea. The wife will win any custody battles and about money issues, and she will be able to play the victim. "My husband divorced me because of his own selfish needs." This is a lose-lose situation for him.

 

And wives know this...they have the upper hand. And I might add that if the man had the lower libido, we would not be as sympathetic to him as we are the wife with the low libido.

[JamesM]

Part of what I wondered and wonder now when I read this thread, is, did he really love me back then? If you love someone, is it that much of a sacrifice to give them an hour or so per weak of your time? Even if it was an activity that you didn't really enjoy, if that activity isn't harmful, then is it really that bad doing that activity once in a while? The only reason I can think of for not wanting to share such a small amount of time with your partner, is lack of love.

 

I have a slight glimmer of hope that you understand where guys in sexless marriages are coming from. It is similar to your feelings here.

 

To answer your question...no, it is not too much if it doesn't become expected and then somehow is demanded. And then especially if requests (ie for sex) from the partner are not treated with the same respect.

 

Is it a lack of love? Yes and no.

 

Yes, because this is an opportunity to show the love that has been verbalized. It is an opportunity to create a bond, and when more time is spent together than the time actually becomes more of a pleasure rather than a duty because it provides satisfaction to both people.

 

No, because it is not recognized as an opportunity to express love. And because it is not recognized as such, then it simply becomes another chore like doing the laundry.

 

So it is with sex.

[LolitaVida]

First off, providing a service does not mean it is only done for the money. Many women actually do enjoy it and provide a fantasy for guys such as John. They get off on knowing that they can make such a man happy. And repeat visits can become friendships and then it certainly is done for more than the money.

 

Second, we go to many places and let people do things for us, and they only do it "for the money." Eating out, going to movies, getting massages, getting haircuts, going to doctors, watching any entertainer, going to concerts, etc. are just some of the ways. Do we say when we go that we do not get as much enjoyment out of it because "they only do it for the money?"

 

(But James, how can you compare sex with those things? )

 

Because a good escort creates the fantasy of being more than just sex. For sex starved men such as myself, this may be the relief that is needed for the time being. No, I am not there yet, but a little research by anyone here can see that the right person can create the right fantasy. Reviews from guys who have visited them give indication of this.

 

My point is not to send him to escorts...or send myself...but would we say to a man wanting steak, "But how can you eat that hamburger knowing that it is not steak?" Fact is...when you are hungry enough, hamburger tastes as good or better than steak.

 

 

 

I think he has been down this road more than once.

 

 

 

 

Refer to my earlier post about how it is certainly not admirable to divorce and split up a family over the lack of sex. And truthfully even to a man without sex, this is not a great idea. The wife will win any custody battles and about money issues, and she will be able to play the victim. "My husband divorced me because of his own selfish needs." This is a lose-lose situation for him.

 

And wives know this...they have the upper hand. And I might add that if the man had the lower libido, we would not be as sympathetic to him as we are the wife with the low libido.

Women don't go into escorting for the sake of "giving men pleasure". They do it for the money and if you have fooled yourself or have been fooled into believing this, more power to you. And really James, how can you compare paying for sex to getting a haircut (please let me know if all men think of me cutting their hair as sex with me so I can change careers.) Then you talk about reviews? for hookers? LMFAO silly!!! If my husband was unhappy with our sex life, I'd wish he'd divorce me over it rather than pay/ spend it on another with our hard earned moneys to get laid. Many women would back me up on this!

PS: I feel as bad for the guy as I do for the women because I know just how a sex life in discord can affect a marriage/relationship!

[JamesM]

Women don't go into escorting for the sake of "giving men pleasure". They do it for the money and if you have fooled yourself or have been fooled into believing this, more power to you.

 

I am not fooling myself in any way. I also think you missed my point.

 

Most everyone chooses any career with money in mind. Yet this does not mean they do not enjoy doing what they do. And as with any profession, it is the same with escorts. If they enjoy it, then they do it well. While it might seem despicable to you, this does not mean that women who do it do not enjoy it.

 

And really James, how can you compare paying for sex to getting a haircut (please let me know if all men think of me cutting their hair as sex with me so I can change careers.)

 

Actually, hair cutting and massages are similar in one sense. The person we allow to cut our hair or massage our body get very close to us physically. That is a reason why many feel guilty if they switch hair stylists or massage therapists.

 

As for switching careers, this is your choice. However, money is always a reason used for any switch. No one says that an escort would do her job for free, but no matter how much money, if someone does not enjoy their job, then they will not keep getting business. I am sure this is the same with hair stylists.

 

Then you talk about reviews? for hookers? LMFAO silly!!!

 

I could list some sites that provide reviews of escorts and the activities that have taken place. Guys tell how the evening went and what was done and if they would visit the escort again.

 

However, I do not want to give them too much publicity.

 

If my husband was unhappy with our sex life, I'd wish he'd divorce me over it rather than pay/ spend it on another with our hard earned moneys to get laid. Many women would back me up on this!

 

So would most men. That is not the issue here. But then I wonder...would you really when it came down to it? If your life was completely happy in your own eyes and you did not want sex, would you want to be divorced from the good life? The father of your children provides you with a good living yet he does not bother you with the "enemy" named sex?

 

Normal marriages that are happy do not need escorts (serial cheaters excluded). Healthy people do not need a doctor.

 

PS: I feel as bad for the guy as I do for the women because I know just how a sex life in discord can affect a marriage/relationship!

 

Maybe you do, but men with low libidos are usually made to be the bad guy not the wife, yet women with low libidos turn out to be the victim...not the husband. Over and over threads on LS repeat the same pattern. What have you done? She is medically unable...how could you? And on and on. Here, too, read how most responses tell/ask John what he has done or could do. Very few consider him the victim here.

[LolitaVida]

 

Most everyone chooses any career with money in mind. Yet this does not mean they do not enjoy doing what they do. And as with any profession, it is the same with escorts. If they enjoy it, then they do it well. While it might seem despicable to you, this does not mean that women who do it do not enjoy it.

 

People grow up thinking yes, I'd like to be a hooker/prostitute/escort. How can you list this amongst careers and professions? James wo/men become prostitutes out of despair or a need. No one sets out in life to be a hooker. I don't look down on prostitutes, only on the people foolish enough to fork over money to get their other ego soothed. and FYI most people choose a career because that's what they love.

[Snowflower]

I think there is some digression from the OP's original post. Obviously this is not about whether 'paid escorts' are working in their dream career or not.

 

What strikes me from so many of these threads like this is the huge disparity between men and women, husbands and wives, about the importance and role of sex in a relationship/marriage.

 

I have seen this disparity first hand in my own marriage and it led to a very sad result. I can sympathize and identify with the POV of both the men and women here, having seen the destruction it caused in my own relationship.

[NoIDidn't]

Reading some of these posts is aggravating. When there is supposedly a "medical" issue preventing sex the following is true:

- Either the partner with the problem is proactively, on their own initiative making every effort to resolve it via doctors/medical assistance OR

- They are not - and if NOT almost for sure because they are using it as an excuse to not have sex

 

This is true for both men and women.

 

REAL medical problems that prevent sex are almost non-existent. They may reduce "intercourse" or prevent intercourse - but not some type of sex.

 

I KNOW my wife had sex with me last night because she loves me deeply. And I know that is why she made it good for me. I would bet my house on THAT. Did SHE have a good time? Sadly I don't know. I know she says she did. Seemed like she did. Claimed that she "finished". I know I try my best to make it great for her. But I don't KNOW that it is and would not even bet my old car on it. My opinion is that in a marriage, you can better tell how much a woman loves you - then how much she desires you.

 

I don't disagree with your assessment. I also don't disagree that "intercourse" is the only sex.

 

The problem I have is that it seems that men are complaining about not enough intercourse. As a woman, I'd be happy with sexual contact more than solely intercourse all the time. Sexual affection has a place in marriage and it doesn't seem that enough couples pursue this.

 

Especially in those rare cases where there really IS a medical issue that prevents intercourse. Its like its all-or-nothing for some.

 

Its a shame to me that more couples aren't acquainted with their local sex supplies store and the many offering they have for sexual pleasure that doesn't mean you have to have intercourse.

[NoIDidn't]

People grow up thinking yes, I'd like to be a hooker/prostitute/escort. How can you list this amongst careers and professions? James wo/men become prostitutes out of despair or a need. No one sets out in life to be a hooker. I don't look down on prostitutes, only on the people foolish enough to fork over money to get their other ego soothed. and FYI most people choose a career because that's what they love.

 

If they live in a place where prostitution is legal, they do it because they want to more than because they need to.

 

I know quite a few former prostitutes. They made a lot of money doing it. But more importantly, they loved their work.

[LolitaVida]

If they live in a place where prostitution is legal, they do it because they want to more than because they need to.

 

I know quite a few former prostitutes. They made a lot of money doing it. But more importantly, they loved their work.

The ones I know did it for the money and hated their work.

[Lizzie60]

REAL medical problems that prevent sex are almost non-existent. They may reduce "intercourse" or prevent intercourse - but not some type of sex.

 

 

This is well said.. true!

[Lizzie60]

Women don't go into escorting for the sake of "giving men pleasure". They do it for the money and if you have fooled yourself or have been fooled into believing this, more power to you. And really James, how can you compare paying for sex to getting a haircut (please let me know if all men think of me cutting their hair as sex with me so I can change careers.) Then you talk about reviews? for hookers? LMFAO silly!!! If my husband was unhappy with our sex life, I'd wish he'd divorce me over it rather than pay/ spend it on another with our hard earned moneys to get laid. Many women would back me up on this!

PS: I feel as bad for the guy as I do for the women because I know just how a sex life in discord can affect a marriage/relationship!

 

 

No.. no.. some women go into escorting for the money AS WELL as their pleasure and the pleasure they give the men..

 

Some escorts have the same 'clients' for years and develop a true friendship with these guys..

 

I know..

[Lizzie60]

People grow up thinking yes, I'd like to be a hooker/prostitute/escort. How can you list this amongst careers and professions? James wo/men become prostitutes out of despair or a need. No one sets out in life to be a hooker. I don't look down on prostitutes, only on the people foolish enough to fork over money to get their other ego soothed. and FYI most people choose a career because that's what they love.

 

When the teacher asks what they want to do when they grow up.. I very much doubt that the little girl would say: I want to be a hooker..

 

but I completely disagree with you when you say that they do it out of despair or need... this is soooo far from the truth in many cases..

 

A lot of married women have sex out of 'obligation', and sometimes with partners that they almost despise... at least the escort do it for money and most of the time with a man they enjoy having sex with.. cause the guy will want to impress and do a 'good job'..

 

For women who love sex.. this is the BEST career ever.. sex and money.. what more can we ask..

[mem11363]

Lizzie,

This makes complete sense to me - though I admit I never thought of it this way. I think as well that many of the "posters" here lack an understanding of how some of this stuff works.

 

Two years ago I am in Jakarta staying at the Mulia - 4 star place - on business. My business host tells me I can get "in room" massages up until 2 AM. I LOVE massages and hey 90 minutes for 30 dollars - was not going to pass that up. The masseuse was very attractive and she was delightful. And the massage - well it is 80 percent massage and 20 percent tease. And we chatted the whole time, she was fun and funny. Then at the end she offered me a "happy ending - hand job". I looked at her astonished - I can be a little naive at times - and said - "gosh that would be really nice but I can't - I am married - pointed to my ring" and she looked a little disappointed. I just said - don't worry - great massage - great conversation - and I tipped her 15 dollars which made her very, very happy.

 

Anyway I asked for her by name for the rest of my stay - 4 more massages in 4 days. She was delightful. Was what I did sex? No. Was it sensual/sexual - hell yes. I came right up to the edge of that bright line I will not cross. And it was really, really fun. So this woman was making about 10/hour just in tips doing this with a guy who talked to her like a regular person - joked with her a bit - etc. Was she a prostitute - well in a sense she was. Was I a john? In some very limited sense I was. Did those massages leave me relaxed in every way except for my rock hard erection. They surely did.

 

The massages are "naked" and end with you lying on your back so I imagine she was a bit surprised that a guy could firmly decline the "happy ending" 5 times in a row while lying there with a raging hard on each time. LOL.

 

 

 

 

 

 

When the teacher asks what they want to do when they grow up.. I very much doubt that the little girl would say: I want to be a hooker..

 

but I completely disagree with you when you say that they do it out of despair or need... this is soooo far from the truth in many cases..

 

A lot of married women have sex out of 'obligation', and sometimes with partners that they almost despise... at least the escort do it for money and most of the time with a man they enjoy having sex with.. cause the guy will want to impress and do a 'good job'..

 

For women who love sex.. this is the BEST career ever.. sex and money.. what more can we ask..

[JackJack]

Maybe for some, sex is all they have or all they feel they have going for them. Yes its important, but I think sometimes its just wayyyy to important for some, therefore maybe its all they have. And they lose the real focus of a meaning intimate relationship.

[RedDevil66]

Women don't go into escorting for the sake of "giving men pleasure". They do it for the money and if you have fooled yourself or have been fooled into believing this, more power to you. And really James, how can you compare paying for sex to getting a haircut (please let me know if all men think of me cutting their hair as sex with me so I can change careers.) Then you talk about reviews? for hookers? LMFAO silly!!! If my husband was unhappy with our sex life, I'd wish he'd divorce me over it rather than pay/ spend it on another with our hard earned moneys to get laid. Many women would back me up on this!

PS: I feel as bad for the guy as I do for the women because I know just how a sex life in discord can affect a marriage/relationship!

 

I back you up 101% but gave my trying in this thread because there is no point.

[mem11363]

Jack Jack and Red Devil:

My favorite quote of all time on this subject.

 

When it is good, sex is 10% of the relationship. When it is bad it becomes 90% of the relationship.

 

In my marriage it is typically 10% - where it belongs - ok - maybe 20% because of my higher then average drive and higher then average insecurities. But that is it. If I were in a sexless marriage - it would be 90%. Does that really not make sense to you?

 

 

 

I back you up 101% but gave my trying in this thread because there is no point.

[JamesM]

Lizzie,

Was what I did sex? No. Was it sensual/sexual - hell yes. I came right up to the edge of that bright line I will not cross. And it was really, really fun.

 

The massages are "naked" and end with you lying on your back so I imagine she was a bit surprised that a guy could firmly decline the "happy ending" 5 times in a row while lying there with a raging hard on each time. LOL.

 

While I have found your input very helpful and even enlightening, I kinda find this interesting. For you, you did not cheat because you did not have an orgasm. Yet in many other senses of the word, many wives would say you crossed the line when you had an erotic massage. Massages that are done to relax generally do not give a guy an erection...or shall I say, it doesn't intentionally do that. This sounds like a massage to turn you on.

 

I am more saying this out of curiosity as to what others would say. Some men would say that a manual "happy ending" is nothing more than a physical release and certainly not sex. Why? Because there was no mutual pleasuring. Others would say that the moment you went back to a massage "therapist" whom you knew gave happy endings is the moment you actually cheated because you put yourself in the position to cheat. Allowing yourself to be touched in a sexual manner by anyone but your wife would be considered cheating by some. Some would compare it to a lap dance at a strip club.

 

I guess what it all comes down to though is...what did your wife consider it. And I think your wife did not consider it cheating...assuming you told her all that you told us.

 

I am not saying one way or the other. I respect your ability to control yourself yet I also wonder at your desire to put yourself in the same place for five nights in a row. I guess for me I could not return after the first night if I knew of the temptation that would be waiting for me.

[JamesM]

Jack Jack and Red Devil:

My favorite quote of all time on this subject.

 

When it is good, sex is 10% of the relationship. When it is bad it becomes 90% of the relationship.

 

In my marriage it is typically 10% - where it belongs - ok - maybe 20% because of my higher then average drive and higher then average insecurities. But that is it. If I were in a sexless marriage - it would be 90%. Does that really not make sense to you?

 

 

I concur with this all the way. Words well said.

 

When we had sex consistently...even if it was only three or four times a month, then truthfully, I never really thought about the quantity. However, when it disappeared and comments were made that "we" don't need sex, then suddenly it became much more important.

 

I guess it is no different when a woman feels appreciated and loved, then she doesn't realize how much she likes it. However, when her husband begins to forget to compliment her or forget to give her hugs or forgets to spend time with her, then she realizes the importance of it.

[Lizzie60]

Lizzie,

This makes complete sense to me - though I admit I never thought of it this way. I think as well that many of the "posters" here lack an understanding of how some of this stuff works.

 

Two years ago I am in Jakarta staying at the Mulia - 4 star place - on business. My business host tells me I can get "in room" massages up until 2 AM. I LOVE massages and hey 90 minutes for 30 dollars - was not going to pass that up. The masseuse was very attractive and she was delightful. And the massage - well it is 80 percent massage and 20 percent tease. And we chatted the whole time, she was fun and funny. Then at the end she offered me a "happy ending - hand job". I looked at her astonished - I can be a little naive at times - and said - "gosh that would be really nice but I can't - I am married - pointed to my ring" and she looked a little disappointed. I just said - don't worry - great massage - great conversation - and I tipped her 15 dollars which made her very, very happy.

 

Anyway I asked for her by name for the rest of my stay - 4 more massages in 4 days. She was delightful. Was what I did sex? No. Was it sensual/sexual - hell yes. I came right up to the edge of that bright line I will not cross. And it was really, really fun. So this woman was making about 10/hour just in tips doing this with a guy who talked to her like a regular person - joked with her a bit - etc. Was she a prostitute - well in a sense she was. Was I a john? In some very limited sense I was. Did those massages leave me relaxed in every way except for my rock hard erection. They surely did.

 

The massages are "naked" and end with you lying on your back so I imagine she was a bit surprised that a guy could firmly decline the "happy ending" 5 times in a row while lying there with a raging hard on each time. LOL.

 

mem.. I admire your self-control.. but let me tell you that if this girl would have pushed it a little bit more.. I bet anything that you would have 'flaunched'...

 

Let's say, you had this raging hard-on... you really feel like having more.. but since you're married.. you controlled yourself.. but let's say... she would have gotten on the table with you... and rubbed her naked body (while you were on your back with this rock hard-on)..on yours .. pressing her belly against yours.. come on.. come on.. she just respected your wish.. she didn't push it..

 

If it would have been me.. you would have flaunched.. I can guarantee you that..

[mem11363]

Lizzie,

No way would I give someone with your frighteningly deep understanding of male psyche and physiology a shot at testing my self control. I concede in advance that you could break me.

 

As for my wife. This is what I said to her.

 

"My hosts attempted to get me to have sex with prostitutes during the entire trip. Mainly because that was what they were all doing - and yes they are all married - but not to the prostitutes they were having sex with ."

 

She was NOT happy about this situation and enquired further. I simply said,

 

"You know I love getting massages. So I just let the girls give me a massage and left it at that. Yes they tried to "tease" me so they could give me a happy ending but they "never touched the equipment, they kept their clothes on, and that was that".

 

She didn't seem concerned - said "I know I can trust you" and left it at that.

 

I concede that I did not mention my state of "dress/undress" not did she ask, and well when I said they teased me during the massage, knowing how well my hydraulic systems work, I imagine wife was quite capable of inferring the raging hard on that resulted without me having to explicitly mention it. But I admit I am confident she did not construct a visual of me lying on my back unclothed with - well - hmmm.

 

As for the general comments about this being gray zone behavior - I agree with you. Do you think that is still true if you are getting this type of "sensual" massage in a country "Malaysia" where they do NOT offer the happy endings, and just tease you to get a better tip?

 

By the way - you guys are killing me - I have a trip to Kuala Lumpur coming up in October and you are causing me to question whether or not I will indulge in this delightful activity. In KL - they don't offer happy endings. They simply tease for tip.

 

 

mem.. I admire your self-control.. but let me tell you that if this girl would have pushed it a little bit more.. I bet anything that you would have 'flaunched'...

 

Let's say, you had this raging hard-on... you really feel like having more.. but since you're married.. you controlled yourself.. but let's say... she would have gotten on the table with you... and rubbed her naked body (while you were on your back with this rock hard-on)..on yours .. pressing her belly against yours.. come on.. come on.. she just respected your wish.. she didn't push it..

 

If it would have been me.. you would have flaunched.. I can guarantee you that..

[Lizzie60]

but mem .. in most of these countries where they say they DON'T offer happy endings.. they do.. trust me they do.. if you show them the money..

[angie2443]

Lizzie,

 

She was NOT happy about this situation and enquired further. I simply said,

I concede that I did not mention my state of "dress/undress" not did she ask, and well when I said they teased me during the massage, knowing how well my hydraulic systems work, I imagine wife was quite capable of inferring the raging hard on that resulted without me having to explicitly mention it. But I admit I am confident she did not construct a visual of me lying on my back unclothed with - well - hmmm.

 

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You have no respect for your wife:(.

[Mr. Lucky]

You have no respect for your wife:(.

While I doubt this is true, Mem would you be OK if the roles were reversed? Your W at a high-end spa in Vegas, getting an opposite sex massage from some young hunk that's giving her everything but direct sexual contact. That would be OK with you ???

 

Mr. Lucky