Lish Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 So people who work hard and don't become rich haven't "made something" of there life. You may not have meant to but a statement like that infers a bit demeaning attitude to those who are not in the same income level as the wealthy. While yellowboy does have some silly biases he is expressing, at least he appears to be aware of them. Do you think maybe you have some too? Haha. I don't have any, thanks. I didn't mean it like that, at all. What I meant was my mum was probably the poorest kid around, she had absolutely nothing. Atall. My grandparents barely had enough money to feed her. So, she knows how it feels to be in a less fortunate position as many are, and is now in a position to help, which she does. She's made something positive come out of alot of negative, which is what I was trying to say. Could I have worded it better? Yes. Is it 6.30am here? Yes. Did I expect someone to nit-pick to the extent you did? Not so much. Link to post Share on other sites
GrayClouds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Haha. I don't have any, thanks. I didn't mean it like that, at all. What I meant was my mum was probably the poorest kid around, she had absolutely nothing. Atall. My grandparents barely had enough money to feed her. So, she knows how it feels to be in a less fortunate position as many are, and is now in a position to help, which she does. She's made something positive come out of alot of negative, which is what I was trying to say. Could I have worded it better? Yes. Is it 6.30am here? Yes. Did I expect someone to nit-pick to the extent you did? Not so much. Well I may have some biases myself, and if I live closer I would truly enjoy the opportunity to work through them with you Link to post Share on other sites
GrayClouds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Haha. I don't have any, thanks. I didn't mean it like that, at all. What I meant was my mum was probably the poorest kid around, she had absolutely nothing. Atall. My grandparents barely had enough money to feed her. So, she knows how it feels to be in a less fortunate position as many are, and is now in a position to help, which she does. She's made something positive come out of alot of negative, which is what I was trying to say. Could I have worded it better? Yes. Is it 6.30am here? Yes. Did I expect someone to nit-pick to the extent you did? Not so much. Well I may have some biases myself, and if I live closer I would truly enjoy the opportunity to work through them with you over a couple of pints Link to post Share on other sites
Lish Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Well I may have some biases myself, and if I live closer I would truly enjoy the opportunity to work through them with you over a couple of pints Well I may have some biases myself, and if I live closer I would truly enjoy the opportunity to work through them with you Hahaha! I hate beer grossssss. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I hate elitist and snobby more than I hate rich people. I don't resent anybody for their wealth and success but it doesn't make anybody a better person or a more worthy person. Who wouldn't want financial security and the resources to do what they want. Link to post Share on other sites
GrayClouds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hahaha! I hate beer grossssss. What too common for your upper crust taste? LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Lish Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 What too common for your upper crust taste? LOL Hahahaha I KNEW you were gonna say that. i don't think double vodka + coke is 'upper crust'? Link to post Share on other sites
GrayClouds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hahahaha I KNEW you were gonna say that. i don't think double vodka + coke is 'upper crust'? thank goodness a man of my modest means could never afford something like a prized Château Pétrus that your kind usually require Link to post Share on other sites
boldjack Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Lish, I am sure that your mother is a wonderful person, and we probably share many of the same experiences, while trying to achieve financial security. Link to post Share on other sites
Lish Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Ha. 'your kind'...that's cute. but sadly not hunny, and I don't even know what that thing you said is.. ha. Link to post Share on other sites
joseffrost Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Anyone who professes to 'hate' people who are financially better off than them is just guilty of inverted elitism. There is supposedly a glamour in struggling to get by that a lot of people - mostly comfortable middle class - aspire to which is just as pathetic as middle class people trying to ape the wealthy. Lish - I'm with you on this but you have to realise that no matter how altruistic you and your family are, some ignorant people will only see the surface and that will always manifest jealousy and bitterness. It's their problem, not yours. Plus, you are from NI, which means you can do no wrong in my eyes... Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Well "rich people" don't bother me, what bothers me are people who think being rich is the be all and end all and people who associate wealth with success and that's an awful lot of people. I'm bothered by people who are impressed by it. That's why I deliberately don't flaunt my wealth because I don't want to attract such people. I didn't do anything special to earn my wealth, right place right time. I think there's a lot of people out there trying to make ends meet who have worked a whole lot harder than me in life. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 . Peaches Geldof come to mind... I hate them with a passion, they're completely talentless and are famous only for being rich. Having said that, my hatred is mostly jealousy because they were born into riches and I wasn't... they're completely useless and empty-headed but they have everything, while I work hard and have virtually nothing... it just doesn't seem fair. Oh see, that really bugs me. They have everything? What about a mother? I think you'll find she died of a heroin overdose and I think you'll find no money is going to make up for that. And I wouldn't want to be in the public eye in the way they are, no matter how much someone paid me for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Thornton Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 There are plenty of people who don't have a mother, who also don't have piles of money and a career built on doing virtually nothing. Not having a mother doesn't entitle you to piles of cash that you've never had to work a day in your life for. Link to post Share on other sites
joseffrost Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I used to kinda know Peaches back when she was DJing around London and before most of the media storm around her erupted. I can't speak for her now, but back then she was a decent person, she understood that her parentage was always going to get in the way of her being taken seriously at anything she ever did. It's very easy to judge people on their public profile, but there is always another side, another story. Perhaps Peaches is a bad example as she certainly seems to have disappeared into the black hole of her own celebrity - but don't assume you know someone because of what you see on Perez Hilton. Link to post Share on other sites
Nikki Sahagin Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I don't hate the rich but I do despise how the world is generally so money-centred. Obviously I LIKE money and I NEED money so complaining about it when you both want and need it is a double-edged sword, but i've always been practical with money, even when i've had a lot, to not waste it. I hate generally how everything is centred on money as though having money makes you a better person. For instance music videos show rappers flaunting their wealth and what the wealth has brought them; cars, houses, women, drugs, alcohol. MTV cribs is just endless rich people boasting about everything they own. One episode that made me cringe was when Rod Stewart's daughter didn't even know how to work their TV remote. Celebrities wear a different outfit every day because they can AFFORD to and people that can't afford it think if they aren't seen in something different every day they aren't important. I don't like this whole attitude of everything and everyone having a price at all. But there are a lot of kind rich people who give their money and help. That said if every millionaire gave away most of their money they would help many other families have a roof over their heads. How many of us would do the same though? If you come from a poor background and you make it, you feel a sense of entitlement where you feel you should spend all your money because you deserve it for your struggle, forgetting all the other struggling people you passed by on the way up. Its just human nature unfortunately. I can't wholeheartedly pretend i'd be much different though I know i'd donate money and volunteer as I do that already! Link to post Share on other sites
C-i-C-u Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 people who think they are rich, are just as bad. Link to post Share on other sites
PQ13 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I even stopped dating a girl when I found out she lives in this extremely expensive condo in the middle of the city. I resented her for being rich and some things she talks about which is completely out of touch from the ordinary lives of people. I think, you're referring to people who're posing as a rich... truly rich people account for around 7% of total population and own over 50% of country's wealth, it's not easy to meet them (unless you're one of them). In general, many people don't know anything about wealth... I'm not kidding. Wealth is not about how big is your house, what car you drive or how much money you make! It's about assets, liabilities and cash flow. There are tons of people who appear wealthy on surface, but in reality they're financially overstretched, if not literally "broke". IMO a lot of people lack understanding about wealth, BTW there are a few good books on this subject. One of them "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki. There is his deffinition of wealth: http://books.google.ca/wealth PS: Maybe this girl was not rich at all, how do you know? Even if she lives in expensive condo and acts like she's upper class, this doesn't mean anything, her family may be in debt up to eyeballs and five month behind on mortgage. Link to post Share on other sites
Meaplus3 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 How do I stop thinking like this? Well, first of all there is a lot more to life and a person other than material success. So. I'd start by keeping that in mind. Just be you and be happy with what you have. Really, it's the only way to be happy with yourself. Mea:) Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyBlaze Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 YB, you'll be happy to know there are rich kids out there who don't act the part. I've met two of them so far. Both were amazingly down-to-earth people; to see them and talk with them, you'd never suspect that they were worth millions. Neither have ever had to work a day, but one went out and got a job at the counter of a municipal golf course, and the other was slinging coffee at a Tim Horton's while she was getting her Masters. Both of them gave the same reason for the job; they wanted to be (in their words) "normal". It really surprised me that they both used that same word, as though being known as a rich kid was a bad thing. My theory is that they're afraid of being lumped in with the posers; the ones who act rich (as PQ13 said). I've met a few of them, too. They're the ones who do everything in their power to convince you that they're dirty, rotten, filthy, stinking rich by driving around in cars they can't really afford and flashing cash that they owe to someone else. They're the arrogant ones who personify the "spoiled brat" stereotype that make us all cringe so much. In my experience, it seems like the truly rich people just want to be more like regular Joe's and Janes, only with a few more zeros on their bank statements. So have a little faith; there are some pretty cool rich people out there. You just may not know they're rich, that's all! Link to post Share on other sites
boldjack Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 My remark about "the born-rich being the enemies of mankind", was intended as a sarcastic aside, not as the literal truth. I didn't use a "smiley", so apparently some of the more literal-minded posters objected. Sorry, my bad. Link to post Share on other sites
ReturnToSender Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 PS: Maybe this girl was not rich at all, how do you know? Even if she lives in expensive condo and acts like she's upper class, this doesn't mean anything, her family may be in debt up to eyeballs and five month behind on mortgage. This is exactly why I dont covet the life of others. The grass may appear greener on the other side, but Im very sure I dont want to put up with all the manure it takes to get it that way. Granted, Im not a simple life kind of girl...my ex was wealthy and I grew accustomed to that lifestyle...loved it! But all the same, though my life is very simple now and I am frugal, I love not having any debt, not having any maxed out credit cards, etc etc. I might not have much, but what I have is mine and cannot be taken away from me. Howd that song go? Mo money mo problems? LoL! I dont feel one way or another about what other people have...that is for them to attend to, enjoy, deal with, what have you. I have to concentrate on myself and my family. Im not even close to being wealthy, but Id love t be able to buy my daughter a car, to help her out financially while shes in college so that she can concentrate on her studies...Im not going to support her through life, but I want to be able to give her the best start I possibly can. The whole reason I work as hard as I do is to be able to afford to give her what I feel she deserves...that kid deserves the world! So I dont think twice about it when a wealthy family takes care of their kids given their financial position....parents take care of their kids, thats how it should be. Link to post Share on other sites
Joie de Vivre Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Also, I'm sure there are rich people that aren't like the people I describe, yet I have not met a single person like this so it doesn't help me change my perception. How do I stop thinking like this? My only suggestion is, focus on yourself instead of focusing on them. If they say anything that offends you, shrug it off or laugh it off. Doesn't benefit you in any way to mind them. As for rich people, I truly believe they are like poor people too: there are good ones and there are bad ones. The bad ones will come and go. I personally fall under the upper middle class family background. But I went to a university where some of my classmates had private jets and daughters and sons of CEOs of public companies. I have been lucky, none of them have been rude to me or looked down on me -- never had negative experience. I don't envy them, but I admire their hard working parents. I also work with high income clients - none of which I find irritating or snooty. So I truly hope you have more positive experiences with people of different wealth ranges in the future Link to post Share on other sites
Joie de Vivre Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 And you know, I have not come across a rich kid who actually appreciates where he/she is coming from. I think if you got to know them better, slowly but surely you will see a lot of them appreciate and feel very lucky to be in the situation they are in. Everything you see may only be on the surface, a very superficial understanding of what they truly feel or who they truly are. hope everyone's comments and perspectives can change your outlook on the way you see people Link to post Share on other sites
lino Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Depends on what your definition of rich is. By my definition of what it is, I've found there are very likeable and also dislikeable rich people. I don't really know what you can do to change your way of thinking, maybe it isn't even possible. Maybe you could simply avoid the rich. It isn't hard to do Link to post Share on other sites
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