lostforwords Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 ok - i am getting a little bit sick of being shot down for saying what I think. hunny no one is shooting you down..... sorry your feeling like that...... hmmmm where was that post yesterday that said you liked DEBATES??????? i believe its somewhere in here.......... you contradict yourself however quite fine....... damn near every post your in...... Well it might. A little. But your personality still plays a HHHHHUUUUUUUUGGGGGEEEE role. For example. Most of the women my age (25) do not seem to care about the fact that I pull in close to $100,000.00 a year AFTER TAXES (sometimes more). Girls my age are more interested in different things. I think that is one of the reason I seem to attract alot of older women heheh.. Most women do not take the time to get to know me because of other factors, most likely of which are 2 things: Lack of self confidence, or sometimes, over-confidence, and personality issues. BUT here you say this........ I think this might be true, but I'd need a girls opinion on this. I think once a girl has been exposed to a relationship with a decent guy, who happens to have alot of money - it affects her standard and expectations of future men. Having money is very easy to get used to. Its comfortable. And going back, IE going from having money to not having money is painful for everyone, including women. So, its definitly something they like and enjoy. They know, hey - no matter what, I wont have to worry about money. I can always order that extra drink, or that extra lobster. I feel like a vacation, - ok. see now what im saying???? Link to post Share on other sites
yogi-mon Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 You have a problem with seeing the world in black and white. The truth is in that grey area. Anyways, I dont like to argu, so I'm outta here. I will come back only when I need some important advice. I have no interest in defending myself endlessly for thinking a certain way. I dont enjoy being the target of cheap shots. Link to post Share on other sites
steveb Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 hmmm... Link to post Share on other sites
lostforwords Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 ok yogi..... i give up..... i dont need to debate with you about your contradictions you do it just fine.... however if i have an opinion.... i will state it..... this happened yesterday too yogi.... regarding the safe sex thing and the stats... i understand dood..... Link to post Share on other sites
chanya_chip Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 It's the thought that counts. As for me, i don't care how much a guy wants to make, or even what his aspirations are, as long as he can keep a steady job that pays the bills enough and that he doesn't expect to be taken care of. As long as he manages himself well and *can take care of himself*. I don't even care if he remains in a low paying job, as long as he is happy and I am happy being with him. He doesn't have to shoot for the moon for me to love him. He just has to show me very much that he cares about me and that I come first in his life, and that he thinks of me often, more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaSongbird Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 Clatan.. I can tell you that of course for some women, money matters. Even if they wouldn't admit it in polite company.. But there are women out there who don't really care if you're not rolling in dough. I'm one of those. Money matters to me, but only as a management issue. Living w/in your means and handling money correctly is the only part of money that I really care about. The man I dated before I married my current husband made a lot of money. Some people would and did call him rich. He made over $200k. It was nice, don't get me wrong. There were some benefits to being with someone who had alot of disposable income. But he also MANAGED it well. No crazy stuff. He had old furniture, lived in a small condo. His only "luxury" was a new car. And he liked to travel .. so I got to travel, too. But I ended my relationship with him for various reason. (my family-especially my father-thought I was NUTS NUTS NUTS NUTS) and starting dating a guy I knew in high school. When we got married, he made about $26k (? or so.. I don't remember exactly - it was below $30k). I heard thru the friend that introduced us that my ex has been promoted and on track to make over $300k this year.. But I don't regret it and I'll never look back. My sweetie is the person for me, even if we will never be rich... He's even won over my father.. So, keep your chin up.. there are women out there that really don't care. Link to post Share on other sites
gadfly Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Clatan, Maybe your assumption that lack of money is the cause of women losing interest in you is simply false. Perhaps you choose to look at it in this manner because it excuses you from taking a good look at yourself and changing the aspects of your personality that would make you more appealing. Would you be attracted to you? I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to be weary of a man who lives at home at the age of 33. Like you said, you live at home but "if I really had to, I could have a small apartment". So why don't you? Is it because it's convenient for you? Would it be unreasonable for a prospective mate to wonder if you might stay in a relationship only because it was financially or emotionally convenient? Maybe, in the language of the economists, the women you meet are not interested in you not so much because you are not an asset but more because you might turn out to be a liability. I actually am in quite a similar boat myself right now. The last couple of years I've dated females that were quite a bit younger than myself and they didn't seem to care about money or stability but recently I've been desiring someone closer to my own age who also was at the place in life whereas they were ready for commitment. One of the things I've come to see is that it is not unreasonable for a mate to have expectations from his/her significant other concerning these matters. After all, don't you have expectations about your prospective mates and isn't one of those expectations that they are able to fully take care of themselves and they strive to live up to their own sense of potential? I think you should quit wondering about whether or not women fit your stereotype and if it's "where I live or what job I do" and instead spend some time wondering about how you live and whether or not your even doing the job of being responsible for yourself at all. gadfly Link to post Share on other sites
Arabess Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 DAMN.....I can't believe all the people in here with 6 figure incomes. If I had THAT kind of money...I'd be floating around in a big sailboat with my servant men feeding me grapes!!!! Okay....Just Joking! I don't think it's a MONEY issue. I think people gravitate towards other people in the same income bracket because they tend to have more in common. Their goals, interests, joint friends, where they like to hang out....is the same ONLY IF they have the same basic income. If someone like Donald Trump asked me out....I wouldn't have a clue what to even wear. I don't live that sort of lifestyle. I'd rather hang out with a sailor and a six pack. It just depends on what you want out of your life....and finding someone who basically wants the same thing. If a woman makes $65,000 a year....chances are she has absolutely nothing in common with a guy who makes $15,000. If she isn't interested in him....it doesn't mean she's a snob....it just means her lifestyle and expectations are different. I don't look for a guy with ALOT of money....I would like him to have SOME money.....but with my luck....I'll fall for someone with NO money. Enough said.....LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 Anyways, I dont like to argu, so I'm outta here. I will come back only when I need some important advice. I have no interest in defending myself endlessly for thinking a certain way. I dont enjoy being the target of cheap shots. Yogi - don't let the turkeys get you down. LFW - if you MUST pick on someone (and, apparently, you must), go back to picking on me. Of course, I didn't answer you - because you're on my Ignore list - and that must've driven you nuts. Yogi - when people like this get on your case, just ignore them. They have their own issues and you oughtn't let them bother you. The more you respond, the more they love it. Link to post Share on other sites
lostforwords Posted November 29, 2003 Share Posted November 29, 2003 rofl moimeme?..... apparently you were not here yesterday to see all of the threads.... just this one..... and i wasnt picking on him.... read it all.. good day!! yogi quoted Please see my thread "Does This Matter" BTW. his thread was changed to short fat bald small penis.. etc...... read it moimeme... or not! Link to post Share on other sites
Author clatan Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 I don't think you, or any of these others who disagree with me, are reading my posts in full. You are also misconstruing my situation and not camparing apples to apples. Originally posted by gadfly I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to be weary of a man who lives at home at the age of 33. Like you said, you live at home but "if I really had to, I could have a small apartment". So why don't you? Is it because it's convenient for you? As for that statement... you didn't read what I said directly after I said "if I really had to, I could have a small apartment" I don't have a small apartment because I think it is senseless for me, as long as I live in this area, to pay at least three hundred on a dinky little apartment when I have such a small paycheck. It's hard to make ends meet and paying at least 300 a week on a little one-room apartment would make it even tougher. Not to mention the fact that it would not make a whole lot of sense, when my parents have an empty room just a couple of miles down the road. I don't see the harm in that it's not as if I don't get along with my family. I think I'm playing it smart for the time being. Originally posted by gadfly I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to be weary of a man who lives at home at the age of 33. Would it be unreasonable for a prospective mate to wonder if you might stay in a relationship only because it was financially or emotionally convenient? Maybe, in the language of the economists, the women you meet are not interested in you not so much because you are not an asset but more because you might turn out to be a liability. Why is it that you people keep equating "I don't make a lot of money right now" with "I am a complete bum and I'm looking for a sugar-mama to support me my entire life"? You might be right if the women I've dated where pulling in 60K a year or something but that's NEVER been the case. Every woman I've ever dated in my entire life has made less, many times a great deal less, than I did. But I have never passed judgement on them. If these women make less than I do, how can they see ME as a liabilty? It looks like they are hoping to spoon off of me instead don't you think? Originally posted by gadfly After all, don't you have expectations about your prospective mates and isn't one of those expectations that they are able to fully take care of themselves and they strive to live up to their own sense of potential? I don't think your above statement is at all relevant in my case. I'm living here and taking a temporary paycut because I can attend college cheaply and am "striving to live up to my own sense of potential." I AM TRYING TO BETTER MYSELF at the moment and this is temporary. And in the course of conversation I have casually mentioned this to these women. And sure, I want a woman with ambition and self sufficiency. But I don't define this as being someone who makes far more money than I do. I don't reject someone solely based on their income. Originally posted by gadfly I think you should quit wondering about whether or not women fit your stereotype and if it's "where I live or what job I do" and instead spend some time wondering about how you live and whether or not your even doing the job of being responsible for yourself at all. So you think I'm not responsible? I could be living in a big city right now making a lot more money, but I'm looking at the big picture, I'm trying to make sure I have transferable job skills and an education, so I won't be stuck in some dead-end job that I hate out of work when my good-paying job suddenly isn't there years from now. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Why is it that you people keep equating "I don't make a lot of money right now" with "I am a complete bum and I'm looking for a sugar-mama to support me my entire life"? You might be right if the women I've dated where pulling in 60K a year or something but that's NEVER been the case. Every woman I've ever dated in my entire life has made less, many times a great deal less, than I did. But I have never passed judgement on them. If these women make less than I do, how can they see ME as a liabilty? It looks like they are hoping to spoon off of me instead don't you think? Clatan. These women don't know you. What they know is that they may have known, and certainly have heard of, men who promise, scheme, and plan but get nowhere. Many may have even taken up with someone based on his 'potential' only to be disappointed. The fact remains that men with plans may be lousy on follow-through and some new person in your life has absolutely no way of knowing whether you are good on delivering or whether you're a bag of hot air. What the others have said, especially what Tony said, is true: Independent women are especially tuned to a man's income. They want someone who will contribute equally to the relationship. I am a case in point. Thrice I have taken up with penniless men. The first was my husband, who decided on a career, got good jobs, and is doing well to this day. The second and third had grand plans, but had big problems that prevented them from carrying them out. Lesson learned: a man should at least be living on his own by the time he's 30. He should have some savings, a house, a car - at least a couple of these things because that indicates that he's been able to get his financial act together. You have to understand that your delayed career plan makes you look bad to others. That's just a fact. Now, work with that fact. Get going on your life. Rather than carping endlessly about 'golddiggers' and being hostile about how wonderful you isn't properly appreciated, understand that your current situation makes you look like a bad deal. Approach women with that in mind. Make light of your situation - let them know you understand that it doesn't look good and that you expect they'd be uneasy about it. And then proceed to be so charming and entertaining that they decide they like to be with you. With luck, you'll find a lady who's fine with the thought of just dating and, in just dating you, she'll discover your finer qualities. If you approach people on the basis of possibly creating a future together, expect them to flee. You absolutely need to develop a sense of humour about this. Hostility is seriously unattractive. For that matter, a photo of you smiling would be nice, too. You look rather grim in yours which detracts from your looks. People are drawn to happy. Link to post Share on other sites
Author clatan Posted November 30, 2003 Author Share Posted November 30, 2003 Originally posted by moimeme With luck, you'll find a lady who's fine with the thought of just dating and, in just dating you, she'll discover your finer qualities. If you approach people on the basis of possibly creating a future together, expect them to flee. Exactly, but instead of just going out for a while for a little companinonship and having some fun, they instanly judge me upon the very first glance and take off. You also missed the point of what I said in the previous post. All of these women made far LESS money than I did. The only woman I have dated since I've lived here didn't have a job. She was 26 I was 31. She had modeled since she was in high school and had moved back here. She had no job at the time I met her. She had her own house or should I say her real estate agent father had a house! But she thought I was a perfect catch, until she found out I lived at home. Are you telling me this woman was better than me? Yeah right! Don't you think it's a little hypocritical? Like I tried to illustrate in the last post, these are not women who are in any way above me financially. I would call her a gold digger. Did I haul ass the minute she told me she didn't have a job? No! I was willing to give someone a chance and get to know them alittle before passing judgement. I can see what you are saying about maybe some guys just being hot air. Maybe they could have taken a little time to get to know me instead of running the moment they see that they won't get a big honkin' rock, 100,000-dollar home and 2 new cars. I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a chance. I didn't say they had to say yes to marrying me the moment they first went out with me. I haven't approached these women with the intention of rushing into getting married. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted November 30, 2003 Share Posted November 30, 2003 Are you telling me this woman was better than me? Yeah right! Don't you think it's a little hypocritical? Like I tried to illustrate in the last post, these are not women who are in any way above me financially. I would call her a gold digger. Did I haul ass the minute she told me she didn't have a job? No! I was willing to give someone a chance and get to know them alittle before passing judgement. It isn't the point. It will never BE the point. Could you maybe get off the 'who is better than whom' jag you're on? Even though this is the 21st century, there are still women who need a man to be able to be the provider. One of the posters above pointed out that they require someone to count on financially if they are to have kids. You are not a prospect for that, period. They are not saying 'oh, gee, I don't earn much and so he's just the same as me'. They expect you to do better. I suggested you change your attitude about this. You prefer not to. Fine. But then kwitcherbitchin. Facts are facts. Life is life. Either you adjust so that you accept and work with facts or you keep your trap shut but your constant ranting about 'golddiggers' isn't helpful to you or your situation, nor will it ever be. But go ahead, have sex with prostitutes and tell them about all the bitches who won't give you a chance. I'm guessing you just radiate hostility. You are determined to believe what you believe. You will not be persuaded otherwise. So, really, all you want to do is rant. This attitude of yours is your worst liability - but continue to cling to it. It's obviously working for you. Link to post Share on other sites
gadfly Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Clatan, As for that statement... you didn't read what I said directly after I said "if I really had to, I could have a small apartment" I don't have a small apartment because I think it is senseless for me, as long as I live in this area, to pay at least three hundred on a dinky little apartment when I have such a small paycheck. It's hard to make ends meet and paying at least 300 a week on a little one-room apartment would make it even tougher. Not to mention the fact that it would not make a whole lot of sense, when my parents have an empty room just a couple of miles down the road. I don't see the harm in that it's not as if I don't get along with my family. I think I'm playing it smart for the time being It may seem senseless to you because it is much easier for you to achieve your goals but you are still taking advantage of your parents hospitality and most people see this as a sign of immaturity. Yes, you are playing it smart for the time being. Does your mother still do your laundry too? Why is it that you people keep equating "I don't make a lot of money right now" with "I am a complete bum and I'm looking for a sugar-mama to support me my entire life"? You might be right if the women I've dated where pulling in 60K a year or something but that's NEVER been the case. Every woman I've ever dated in my entire life has made less, many times a great deal less, than I did. But I have never passed judgment on them. If these women make less than I do, how can they see ME as a liability? It looks like they are hoping to spoon off of me instead don't you think? You people ehh? Actually I never called you a bum or implied you were a gold digger. I posed a couple of questions I thought you might consider. Also, why are you asking general questions about women in regards to money when every woman you've ever dated in your entire life has "made less, many times a great deal less, than you did?" Isn't that a small portion of the women that are out there? I'm living here and taking a temporary paycut because I can attend college cheaply and am "striving to live up to my own sense of potential." I AM TRYING TO BETTER MYSELF at the moment and this is temporary. And in the course of conversation I have casually mentioned this to these women. And sure, I want a woman with ambition and self sufficiency. But I don't define this as being someone who makes far more money than I do. I don't reject someone solely based on their income. It's truly great that you understand that what makes you happy in life is what's important. So many people are caught up in the lifestyle of consumption and working at a job they hate just to get things they don't need. It's wonderful that you are trying to better yourself but what you fail to see is that you're doing is at the *expense* of your parents and your own short term happiness. So you think I'm not responsible? I could be living in a big city right now making a lot more money, but I'm looking at the big picture, I'm trying to make sure I have transferable job skills and an education, so I won't be stuck in some dead-end job that I hate out of work when my good-paying job suddenly isn't there years from now. So are a lot of us but we don't live at home and, yes, I don't think you are responsible. Really, I don't think you're being sincere in wondering about the answer to your question at all. You obviously have a strong idea about the way you think women are, or at least the ones you've meet, and you're not even thinking about considering some of the advice people have given you. So here's my final answer to your question: For you woman will only be interested in you if you have money. You should only base your beliefs on your own experiences and what has happened in the past. But, man, wouldn't it suck if one day you did have money and woman still weren't interested? gadfly Link to post Share on other sites
jenny Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 clatan, it's an interesting situation. i don't let men pay for me, so i don't have a lot to offer in the way of commentary one way or the other. i'm just curious about what qualities you are looking for in a woman - i guess i am trying to figure out a positive approach to your dating plight. who was the best girl you've met so far? what was she like? cheers, jenny Link to post Share on other sites
fenoketer Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by gadfly It may seem senseless to you because it is much easier for you to achieve your goals but you are still taking advantage of your parents hospitality and most people see this as a sign of immaturity. Yes, you are playing it smart for the time being. Does your mother still do your laundry too? It's truly great that you understand that what makes you happy in life is what's important. So many people are caught up in the lifestyle of consumption and working at a job they hate just to get things they don't need. It's wonderful that you are trying to better yourself but what you fail to see is that you're doing is at the *expense* of your parents and your own short term happiness. So are a lot of us but we don't live at home and, yes, I don't think you are responsible. I've read through these posts and I have to say that it looks like a couple of people simply refuse to even hear what this guy is saying! I read his post! I don't think some of you read it very carefully! he said that he pays all of his bills except for rent and even helps out around the house and that the room would be empty anyway if he wasn't in it, so I don't see where you get that he is living "at his parent's expense. What the hell has the guy got to do to be a decent human being in your opinion? He's trying to better himself. Yeah all kinds of guys make good money but face it most of these guys just come home and watch the game with a beer in thier hand every night and have no desire to do all of the things this guy has done. Really, I don't think many guys would go to the trouble to sacrifice what clatan has and would rather sit around on thier asses but you still see him as a bum. Sure you didn't say the word bum but "you think he's not responsible" financially stable" "supporting himself" and the like so what the hell's the difference. clatan, you might as well give it up answering these people. Nothing you do is going to make you responsible in these people's eyes unless you have money. They obviously don't read the entire thing. Really, I think they do and they just omit the parts that disprove thier point. Why? Because I think what you are saying is pretty accurate and they know it- AND THAT MIGHT HIT HOME WITH SOME PEOPLE! I notice that it was women that where disagreeing with you and disagreeing no matter how well you explained your situation. The shoe fits and they are wearing it. You can tell it's out of a gold digger's dislike for men with no money. After saying that you "help out around the house", why would someone add a comment like "Does your mother still do your laundry too? (what a bitch!)" A sign that you've hit the nail on the head and it bothers them and pretty hateful I think too. Link to post Share on other sites
Arabess Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Clayton, Next time you meet a girl...simply say you live at home to take care of your Mother....or that you live at home to help your 'elderly' parents pay the bills. Then, she will think you are sensitive and sweet...... It's ALL in the wording.... Link to post Share on other sites
Author clatan Posted December 2, 2003 Author Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by Arabess Clayton, Next time you meet a girl...simply say you live at home to take care of your Mother....or that you live at home to help your 'elderly' parents pay the bills. Then, she will think you are sensitive and sweet...... It's ALL in the wording.... Thanks for that suggestion. I think I will use that one. I have thought of that kind of. Like telling them I'm on my own and that I pull down about 40k a year. It wouldn't be that hard to beleive, because most people automatically say things like "whoa, you must make pretty good money" when I tell them I'm on the radio. I think they say that because most people who are DJ's or newspeople on radio DO make big bucks. That's just not the case in a small rural town like this though. But then, I figure that one day they'll want to see my house and I'll have to explain it eventually. But I never considered your suggestion. I am just the type that always wants to be honest with women though. That is one of the things you always hear women complain about in guys. Well, maybe total honesty isn't necessarily the best policy! I'll go with your suggestion Arabess! Link to post Share on other sites
fenoketer Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 Originally posted by Guidette82 I can't say money means NOTHING...EVERY woman dreams of marrying a rich man, so she can live life they do on the soap operas...however, I can TRULY say this..I dated a guy who was 28..never finished college (was 3 months away from an architecture degree) and was a bartender in the neighborhood my parents almost moved into. He lived with TWO other guys and didn't have much money...I loved him even though he wasn't what "mommy and daddy" wanted for me. The thing is, I didn't care....At all...HOWEVER, he had no ambitions..no dreams, no goals, and really no future....he used ME to pay his bills and THAT is the type of guy that gives people like YOU a bad rap. I am PETRIFIED now of dating a man who doesn't have a GOOD job b/c I am scared he doesn't WANT one. I would NEVER say that I won't date a guy or fall in love with a guy because of his money..or lack therof..but I will be cautious about helping. i understand that totally. I realize that you may not have read every bit of his posts but I know a couple of gals that are his biggest critics in this thread did. The guy isn't a bartender or a waiter. He's a radio personality for god's sake! Those guys make big bucks in bigger markets. He hasn't dropped out of college. He's gone back to college! Even if he didn't get the big degree, I'm sure he could walk into a bigger station and make a lot of money right now if he wanted but he's obviously going for even bigger goals and something he likes better. He mentioned that the women he dated where making less than he did too. I see what he means by it being a little hypocritical. You say women are afraid of someone like him becasue they might be some loser who will go nowhere and bum off of them. Looks like that's what they had in mind to me!!!!!! I know loser guys like that might give decent guys a bad name but did he judge those women and haul ass becasue they weren't rich? Link to post Share on other sites
Author clatan Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by moimeme Could you maybe get off the 'who is better than whom' jag you're on? Even though this is the 21st century, there are still women who need a man to be able to be the provider. One of the posters above pointed out that they require someone to count on financially if they are to have kids. You are not a prospect for that, period. They are not saying 'oh, gee, I don't earn much and so he's just the same as me'. They expect you to do better. I suggested you change your attitude about this. They expect someone who makes more... Right... a gold digger. That's what it clearly looks like to me. Someone looking to get more cash for themselves through marriage. Someone looking for someone to provide them with a lifestyle that's above theirs... is that an independent woman? Hardly!? Link to post Share on other sites
Author clatan Posted December 4, 2003 Author Share Posted December 4, 2003 Originally posted by moimeme go ahead, have sex with prostitutes and tell them about all the bitches who won't give you a chance. Ok, sounds good to me. At least I have a little more respect for them. They are up-front about what they want, they don't look down on me and they are a lot cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites
Bronzepen Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 Hey Clatan, I would just take a break from the dating scene right now. Concentrate on finishing college. Get your degree and do whatever makes you happy. Just accomplish whatever you set out to do. Don't concern yourself about what kind of women are out there or what women are looking for. Everyone is different. You will find someone that will connect with you and you with her. Then again maybe not. The point is, never give up looking. Link to post Share on other sites
moimeme Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 They expect someone who makes more... Right... a gold digger. That's what it clearly looks like to me. Someone looking to get more cash for themselves through marriage. Someone looking for someone to provide them with a lifestyle that's above theirs... is that an independent woman? Hardly!? Not every woman is an independent woman. I'm not going to waste any more time on this since you clearly have your mind made up. Point one: women who are not in careers will indeed hope for a man who can be a 'provider' because they may want to be stay-at-home moms. If you don't want a stay-at-home mom, then don't pursue women who don't want careers and who earn 'even less than you'. Point two: women who are independent don't want to end up being soaked dry by some ne'er do well with a head full of plans that never get carried out. You are currently indistinguishable from that sort of fellow. Walk your talk, produce some results, and make yourself look like a good bet. And quit resenting women for them not wanting to find a 'gold-digger'. YOU could easily be the male version of one and they are no more interested in being stuck with one of those than are you. Sorry, but if you think an intelligent woman will just take you at your word that you're going to fulfil all these ambitions, think again. Usually they've already been burnt once or know someone who has. They're not going to fall for that again. There are plenty of men who are nothing but hot air and you have to prove that you're not one. Resenting people who don't know you from Ted Bundy for worrying that you might be a bag of wind is ridiculous. Somehow, it's fine for you to be paranoid, but women are supposed to accept you with open arms and total trust. Not gonna happen, boyo. Sorry, but that's life. Link to post Share on other sites
lostforwords Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 The dictionary defines the following: gold digger n 1: a miner who digs or pans for gold in a gold field [syn: gold miner, gold panner] 2: a woman who associates with or marries a rich man in order to get valuables from him through gifts or a divorce settlement Independent Woman Forum defines independent woman as the following: Independent woman: women who believe in individual freedom and personal responsibility. Hope that helps anyone to clear up any confusions in mixing these 2 up!! They are both indeed different!! Link to post Share on other sites
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