Ross PK Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I don't believe in God but I was just wondering what you guys thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Quinch Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Are you asking "Does God have a penis"? Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 God is neither male nor female. Like Ann Coulter. But not Ann Coulter. She's Satan. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Man made god in his own image: intolerant, sexist, racist and homophobic. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ross PK Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 Man made god in his own image: intolerant, sexist, racist and homophobic. Ha ha! Good one. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Who said it was a he? Men of course.. I do not believe in god.. Link to post Share on other sites
Angel1111 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Man made god in his own image: intolerant, sexist, racist and homophobic. Don't forget narcissistic and demanding. Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Which religion are you referring to? 'God' is not always a he in some faiths. Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) Which religion are you referring to? 'God' is not always a he in some faiths. Women are often depicted as deities and appear in polytheistic religions. Monotheism is a modern concept and movement that may include spirit manifestations of the female, but chiefly focus on a masculine figurehead. There is no major religion currently being practiced that refers to God as female. The closest example is Wicca- which embraces life as a feminine experience, but it is a polytheistic religion. Goddess worship was one of the most early forms of religious practices. So~ when making a references to "God" using a capital "G", one should assume male. The small "g" will signify a deity. To answer the initial question, God did reproduce. If you buy into the doctrine, he made humans in his own likeness. He just happened to do so without a female vessel. Edited October 20, 2009 by D-Lish Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Ok well then to answer the OP's question literally. MAGIC, duh... *flies away on a broom* Link to post Share on other sites
always_searching Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) God is neither male nor female. Like Ann Coulter. But not Ann Coulter. She's Satan. :lmao: Funny. Ross PK: Well, there are a number of reasons why most faiths believe God is a "He." I am Catholic, so I will give you a philosophical Catholic reason as to why God is a He: God is His existence (Aquinas, Anselm, Bonaventure, I'm fairly certain Augustine, as well as many others). Since His essence is His existence and since God is Perfect and is not lacking: God is fully in Act, meaning He has no potentialities as we and all other creatures do. Ancients and Medievals as well as some Moderns believed women were deformed men. So, women were viewed as not being as actualized as men were. If men are more actualized than women, then it would seem inappropriate to call God who is fully Actualized a woman. A more theological reason for this in the Catholic tradition comes from Christ who calls God "His Father." So, there was no dispute over God the Father being male; however, you may find it interesting that many early Christians thought that Christ had to be a hermaphrodite in order to grant salvation to women too. Edited October 20, 2009 by always_searching Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 :lmao: Funny. Ross PK: Well, there are a number of reasons why most faiths believe God is a "He." I am Catholic, so I will give you a philosophical Catholic reason as to why God is a He: God is His existence (Aquinas, Anselm, Bonaventure, I'm fairly certain Augustine, as well as many others). Since His essence is His existence and since God is Perfect and is not lacking: God is fully in Act, meaning He has no potentialities as we and all other creatures do. Ancients and Medievals as well as some Moderns believed women were deformed men. So, women were viewed as not being as actualized as men were. If men are more actualized than women, then it would seem inappropriate to call God who is fully Actualized a woman. Whoa! Deep. (sarcasm off) A more theological reason for this in the Catholic tradition comes from Christ who calls God "His Father." And there you have it. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 God was initially referred to as "he," or in the masculine sense because there was no such thing as inclusive language back in the day. It's a fairly recent phenomena (past 30-40 years). it's interesting to hear priests use inclusive language so as to not upset their parishioners ... my thought is that "I'm a chick, I know I'm a chick, so I'm not going to be upset when 'he' or 'him' are used, because I know that it's a 'you understood' statement." Same thing when referring to God. Much more quicker to write "He" than "He/She/It" when it's understood that God's all-inclusive. also interesting that over the past 10-15 years of faith formation programs in the Catholic Church, the catechists go out of their way to emphasize both masculine AND feminine nature of God, so that people get a better grasp of the kind of love He offers. Link to post Share on other sites
always_searching Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Whoa! Deep. (sarcasm off) Actually, I think it is pretty deep... I wouldn't mock it until you've spent some time reading their arguments for such claims. Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Actually, I think it is pretty deep... I wouldn't mock it until you've spent some time reading their arguments for such claims. I know. That's why I said 'sarcasm off'... Defensive much? I liked what you had to say. Link to post Share on other sites
Enema Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I know. That's why I said 'sarcasm off'... Defensive much? I liked what you had to say. Netiquette suggests that saying "sarcasm off" after a post implies it was on for the post. I read it the same way. Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I don't believe in God but I was just wondering what you guys thought.I know I am going to get some flak over this. Guys were the builders, and the women would birth. God created everything, he didn't birth it. Link to post Share on other sites
always_searching Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I know. That's why I said 'sarcasm off'... Defensive much? I liked what you had to say. LOL, oh, I thought you meant the sarcasm was off after your statement. I apologize: my intention wasn't to be defensive. It's just that many people automatically exclude philosophy as a "rationalization of one's beliefs" and write it off as a bunch of B.S. before fully understanding the argument--admittedly, I too have been occasionally guilty of this. Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 God was initially referred to as "he," or in the masculine sense because there was no such thing as inclusive language back in the day. It's a fairly recent phenomena (past 30-40 years). Where are you getting your info from? Isn't the word "we" recent??? Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 LOL, oh, I thought you meant the sarcasm was off after your statement. I apologize: my intention wasn't to be defensive. It's just that many people automatically exclude philosophy as a "rationalization of one's beliefs" and write it off as a bunch of B.S. before fully understanding the argument--admittedly, I too have been occasionally guilty of this. Oh gotcha. Well I learned something, the actualization of God, being whole, and how some men used to think women were deformed/unwhole- crazy. I would like to know where those ideas came from/what civilization believed that though. Link to post Share on other sites
FleshNBones Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Oh gotcha. Well I learned something, the actualization of God, being whole, and how some men used to think women were deformed/unwhole- crazy. I would like to know where those ideas came from/what civilization believed that though.The greeks also considered women a form of punishment from Zeus, but that is a different topic. Link to post Share on other sites
always_searching Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Oh gotcha. Well I learned something, the actualization of God, being whole, and how some men used to think women were deformed/unwhole- crazy. I would like to know where those ideas came from/what civilization believed that though. Well, the notion of women as deformed men is found as early as Aristotle's On the Generation of Animals. Aristotle was an ancient Greek. Of course, most of our Western thought is derived from the Greeks. What's worse: such claims have also been made as recently as Freud. Link to post Share on other sites
TheLoneSock Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Lol well Freud was an idiot. He also believed that women had sexual fantasies about their fathers... Link to post Share on other sites
D-Lish Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The greeks also considered women a form of punishment from Zeus, but that is a different topic. And Eve the pinnacle of human downfall. The story goes on and on. Link to post Share on other sites
always_searching Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Lol well Freud was an idiot. He also believed that women had sexual fantasies about their fathers... LOL, I actually really like Freud! He's fun to read, anyway... Indeed, you're right: If I remember correctly, he said that men up to a certain age sexually desire their mothers and women their fathers. Once we get to the age of reason and realize that our desire is morally wrong, we transfer the feelings we have for our father/mother onto a potential significant other. It's vastly interesting and I think true, to some extent. Link to post Share on other sites
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