Male height in looks "rating"--Is 5'4" a "1"?

[burning 4 revenge]

So I was looking at average heights by countries and guys being 5'10 or taller on average was a characteristic of many Northern European and a few Eastern European countries, but 5'6 to 5'9 was much more common in most of the rest of the world.

[burning 4 revenge]

Haha, here are some excerpts from a young American woman traveling

 

[COLOR=#666666]Spanish Men

Okay, time for an update... Spanish men are... for the most part, unattractive and short. There might be a couple of exceptions to the rule, like Iker Casillas, but mostly, no. Hot Spanish men are very hot... they're just not too many of them. It's pretty interesting, they're like a weird version of Italian men perhaps. Oh and one weird and annoying thing they might do is hiss at you when you walk by. I mean, WTF??? Seriously, is your tire getting flat? Do I look like I care? No. As for the pedophiles, ehm... like I said, a lot of them are really short so I didn't get approached by them, which is awesome. I could've stepped on them for all I know, maybe that's why they stayed away.

Touchy-Feely Scale: 6 Average Height: 5'8" (173cm)[/COLOR]

[burning 4 revenge]

[COLOR=#666666]Japanese Men

... ARE SHORT! I've decided Japan is like the Spain or Italy of Asia. Why? Well, I think Spanish and Italian (especially Italian) are very musical, bouncy languages. Japanese, to my ears, sounds like a very musical, bouncy language... and all the men are usually short. When I was in Japan, I was 16 and I turned 17 in Tokyo, so I guess I'd reached or was close to reaching my adult height by then... and I was taller than most the men. Okay, I'm not short really, I'm not really TALL either, I'm just slightly above average by American standards. But in Japan, I towered over the men and women. It was so weird but I felt like a giant, especially when I had high heels on, which I avoided because I sort of stood out amongst the crowd sometimes because I look really weird/different too. Japanese men are super polite and they don't have many interesting things to say, but that could also be the language barrier. I remember 90% of conversations started with "Atsui ne?" (hot, isn't it?)

Touchy-Feely Scale: 1 (except on crowded subways, then it's more like... 5 or higher, depends on how lucky you are)

Average Height: 5'7" (171cm)[/COLOR]

[burning 4 revenge]

[COLOR=#666666]Mexican Men

...are short too! I haven't encountered many native Mexicans since the cities I've visited are mostly full of tourists, but the ones I have met, were rather short. I think only a small handful of Mexican men were taller than me, and even then, not by much. I really prefer men that are taller or at least, the same height as me, so I can't say I found many attractive men in México. Oh yes, Spanish is a romance language; so my theory thus far maintains to be true. I was approached quite often by Mexican men, despite their smaller stature, I guess they don't realize I tower over them or maybe it's not relevant to them? In any case, it was somewhat annoying at times"[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=#666666]The preceding three posts were from a college girls travelogue[/COLOR]

[SoulSearch_CO]

I've said my peace on this topic before, but since it just won't freaking die...

 

I work in hospitality. I saw one of the most gorgeous men I have ever seen in my life the past couple nights. Guess what? Like 3 or 4 inches shorter than me. The guy looked like a freaking model. If I were looking for a guy and had there been opportunity, I would've wrapped my legs around that guy in a heartbeat. Rrrreeooowwr.

 

So maybe it's not your height (and you claim it's not your attitude ) - how's your face? Do you stink?

[burning 4 revenge]

I remember one time I put 5'9 in an online dating profile even though I was just barely 5'8

 

I ended up going out with this girl and there was a lot of chemistry between us. I was wearing some boots and they gave me a couple of inches and everything seemed to be going fine

 

At the end of the date I invited her back to my place for a drink and my roomate was there so she didnt feel uneasy and agreed...but thats where I made my mistake and took off my boots

 

She seemed to be a bit bothered by something and when I went to grab a bottle out of the cubbard she snuck up behind me with a tape measure and discovered my deception

 

She said she couldnt believe I lied to her about my height and if she knew the truth she never would have gotten involved in the first place. She wondered if I added inches to my height if I added inches to other measurements as well and then she stormed out right after throwing my boots at me

 

Ive learned my lessons about the dangers of padding

[nddb]

I remember one time I put 5'9 in an online dating profile even though I was just barely 5'8

 

I ended up going out with this girl and there was a lot of chemistry between us. I was wearing some boots and they gave me a couple of inches and everything seemed to be going fine

 

At the end of the date I invited her back to my place for a drink and my roomate was there so she didnt feel uneasy and agreed...but thats where I made my mistake and took off my boots

 

She seemed to be a bit bothered by something and when I went to grab a bottle out of the cubbard she snuck up behind me with a tape measure and discovered my deception

 

She said she couldnt believe I lied to her about my height and if she knew the truth she never would have gotten involved in the first place. She wondered if I added inches to my height if I added inches to other measurements as well and then she stormed out right after throwing my boots at me

 

Ive learned my lessons about the dangers of padding

 

LMFAO. Funniest story right there.

[and.then.some]

This makes no sense.

 

It's a pretty universal that tall guys are considered more attractive by women. While generally shorter guys are better proportioned and sometimes have more handsome faces, for a reason unknown women still will pick the tall guy 9 out of 10 times.

 

Down boy. I didn't realize I had stepped into the political debate forum of relationships.

 

It makes perfect sense. My first paragraph as very clear. On average, the men I see who are physically attractive tend to be shorter. If a man who is 5'4" is a 10 in the looks department and a guy who is 6'4" is a 10 as well, I would go for the taller man. It just happens to be very rare to come across a man who is both tall and handsome. I'm not claiming that being tall won't attract more women to a man, but this does not mean the shorter man is some how less attractive. The hotties I see on a day to day basis are always on the shorter side. Twice a year, if I'm luckly, I might cross paths with a guy who is both tall and gorgeous.

 

You're confusing two totally different concepts... that's probably why it does not make sense to you.

 

This is really not fair . First of all what you call "napoleon complex" is probably just these guys acting as manly or macho as the tall guys, only in your woman mind it can't add up because women have this ridiculous belief that only tall guys can be macho and shorter guys should be docile little servants who need to walk on eggshells.

 

Plenty of tall guys act like jerkoffs, in fact, it's probably more common among them.

 

Imagine if you said the same about any other group of people.

I wasn't trying to make a generalizing statement of all short men, so I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I tend towards "macho men" and more assertive men in general. So, what you've stated about shorter men needing to be docile is completely idiotic, and baseless.

 

And finally, the truth comes out.

 

You attack the short guys so you don't feel bad about being shallow. You defame our names, tell your girlfriends who may be considering giving a shorter than average guy a shot lies, and all because you want to be dominated by a tall guy with a big chest.

DUDE! I'M SORRY! Hahaha! I was not trying to degrade the little people. The truth is that some short guys felt like they were out on a date with the jolly green giant, and I remember one particular individual who had a serious problem with me wearing heels.

 

Once again, I'm sorry. As I said, there was one exception in all of that. One guy didn't seem insecure or intimidated by my height.

 

If you only like that, fine, but why do you have to literally stereotype billions of people (I'm sure you consider everyone under 5'11 short) simply because you like tall guys more? No matter how many times you tell yourself no ,you are still discounting tons of amazing guys because they are your height or a little shorter, just accept it and move on with your life without insulting us in the process.

I did not stereotype anyone at all. I suggest you reread my post more carefully. I merely stated that the experiences I've had didn't go very well, and that ONE particular guy seemed to have a napoleon complex that I could not work around. Those are statements about specific individuals, not about all ye little folk!

 

Sheesh! Chill out!

Edited December 31, 2009 by and.then.some

[cognac]

Don't worry mbeewood, I really doubt that Spanish men, who live in a country with one of the most beautiful women in the world, care about what some American weight fluctuating, ice queen, careerist pig thinks about them. When I go to other countries where women are less picky about height I rarely even notice it, it's only in the anglophone world which I have had the misfortune of being born in , that I find this amazingly retarded prejudice glaring and hard to get past. The height thing is almost as dumb as "gingerism", hatred of (particularly male) redheads, another anglophone prejudice.

 

I've learned to stop being so pissed off about most women not liking me for my height. I stopped being so angry when I went to other countries and girls were attracted to me, they could look past my height to see my positive qualities. Give up on women in America, if you even land one for more than a couple of months, chances are she won't be anything close to wife/family material anyway.

[allina]

Give up on women in America, if you even land one for more than a couple of months, chances are she won't be anything close to wife/family material anyway.

 

Why are you so angry and hateful? Because you have been rejected?

[MeganDoll]

I cant explain it just something about height on a Man is so damn sexy

 

When im with a tall guy i feel like hes in charge and commands resepct from everyone and can protect me from the world:love:

 

Not a fan of pocket guys

[cognac]

Why are you so angry and hateful? Because you have been rejected?

 

I am simply giving mbeewood some advice and encouragement. All my life my "fellow" female countrymen have made me (And I assume mbeewood) feel like there's something wrong with me, like I can't be physically attractive, like I'm the lowest of the low, like I'm invisible despite all of my awesome traits, simply because I am 5'7 instead of 5'11. A lot of other guys my height and lower feel the same way, but I am simply reminding them that from my own extensive experience, it is a purely American/British woman phenomenon. Sure women in other countries like tall guys too, but from my travels to many parts of Europe, the southern cone of south america, etc I find that yes, I can attract (and am deserving) of a decent looking, intelligent, and kind female. Are women there perfect? No, but atleast I can find girls there who were able to look past my height to see a handsome, in shape, intelligent and overall solid guy. I got more attention from girls in other countries in a day, than I have living in New York City for the past 18 years (I'm 21). A woman won't reject you because you're not taller than her in her 5 inch heels, because if they even own a pair they only wear them on special occasions, so due to limited buying power, women see men as people, rather than as a fashion accessory.

 

There are parts of this world that are not full of cutthroat, goal obsessed, perfectionists. Parts of the world where the girls are more laid back, friendly, warm, and have realistic expectations of a man. This is mostly due to their limited economic development (women in Portugal don't just go for the guy with the nicest car, since everyone rides motorcycles LOL) and less influence of TV, hyper-capitalism, and hollywood dictating what should be valued in a person. Less consumerism= more individualism, and more individualism= a broader and more organic definition of masculinity. (hint, it's not just having the biggest muscles or being tall)

Edited January 2, 2010 by cognac

[D-Lish]

(hint, it's not just having the biggest muscles or being tall)

 

No, it's not.

I've said this before in numerous posts- dating shorter guys isn't an issue for me - but you've never acknowledged the positive posts, just gone after the posts that support your anger.

 

The only man that has had a major impact on me in the past 4 years is shorter than me- 5'7", while I am 5'8".

 

Height might be an issue for some girls- but it isn't an issue for me.

[Chicago_Guy]

I would be honest with him and say that because of his height he will have to work twice harder than taller guys when it comes to women. I won't sugarcoat anything. Just be honest with him.

 

If being short is such a problem, then don't they have pills like Height Max to make you much taller? I'd do something about it. Just like women, if their breasts are too small, too big, they get breasts implants or a breast reduction. If they are too pale, or too dark, they bleach or get a tan.

 

If there really were pills that men could take to make themselves taller, I'm certain that a drug company selling such pills could make billions of dollars.

[cognac]

No, it's not.

I've said this before in numerous posts- dating shorter guys isn't an issue for me - but you've never acknowledged the positive posts, just gone after the posts that support your anger.

 

The only man that has had a major impact on me in the past 4 years is shorter than me- 5'7", while I am 5'8".

 

Height might be an issue for some girls- but it isn't an issue for me.

 

Of course D-Lish, there are always exceptions to the rule. But come on , are you seriously going to argue that girls like you are common at all? You are like at best 10% of the young female population. What are the odds that I will find a girl who has your attitude about the subject, that I like, is compatible with me, etc all at once? Very slim. I did find one in my whole life, but it did not work out for a bunch of other common every day reasons that guys tall and short go through like bad timing , etc.

 

The law of averages would say that it would be much easier and fair if I lived in a country where 30-40% of the young female population thought I was desirable or attractive, compared to maybe 1-5% in the USA, no?

[allina]

Parts of the world where the girls are more laid back, friendly, warm, and have realistic expectations of a man. This is mostly due to their limited economic development

 

You had me agreeing with you up to this point, then it got awkward and sad again.

 

BTW, I'm not sure if I posted in this specific thread, but I have replied to many "male height" threads, stating height was not an issue for me.

[Chicago_Guy]

I have noticed that, on average, shorter men are more attractive. If I'm not mistaken, men over 6'3" (or 6'4") only make up some 3% of the population. So, I wouldn't say that a man's height would make him less attractive by any means, but it might make me less interested.

 

Being that the cutie factor is higher among the shorter men, I have gone out on a couple of dates with men who were between 5'4" and 5'6". (I'm 5'8".) I didn't have very good experiences! One who was 5'6" I dated for quite awhile, and he had a bit of a napoleon complex that I simply could not work around. So, when to comes to shorter men and taller women, I think that has just as much to do with how secure the man happens to be as it does with the interest of the women.

 

When I was younger, I didn't care much about height, but I did begin to notice a pattern with the men who were shorter than me, or my height (with only one exception). Now that i'm older, I appreciate a nice large chest to lay my head on. And, being 5'8" and of medium build, the bigger man has more to snuggle with. Honestly, that's my only reason for going back to an old preference.

 

I agree with you. Many of the top male actors (at least in America) seem to be shorter than the average height for males. For example, Tom Cruise is somewhere around 5'5" and Stallone is about 5'7". Jean Claude Van Damme is only 5'4" tall, but women almost universally find those men physically attractive.

 

Look at Ryan Seacrest. If you disregard the indications that he's gay and just judge him by his physical appearance alone, I think that most women would say that he is very attractive even if he is only maybe 5'6" tall.

[cognac]

You had me agreeing with you up to this point, then it got awkward and sad again.

 

BTW, I'm not sure if I posted in this specific thread, but I have replied to many "male height" threads, stating height was not an issue for me.

 

Sorry Allina, but financial excess/consumerism creates a shallow, boring, and conformist kind of human, both male and female, but the affects on women are by far the most noticeable and universal (this is due to the fact that most women are of average intelligence, compared to men who are either really dumb or really intelligent). I don't think there is anything magical about women in certain other countries that they are born nicer, friendlier, accepting, traditional, more interesting, etc, it's the fact that they are not bombarded and brainwashed with messages ordering them to buy, horde, and get their own identity from whatever companies product , that makes them that way. They are allowed to develop their character, personality and romantic ideals naturally.

[D-Lish]

Of course D-Lish, there are always exceptions to the rule. But come on , are you seriously going to argue that girls like you are common at all? You are like at best 10% of the young female population. What are the odds that I will find a girl who has your attitude about the subject, that I like, is compatible with me, etc all at once? Very slim. I did find one in my whole life, but it did not work out for a bunch of other common every day reasons that guys tall and short go through like bad timing , etc.

 

The law of averages would say that it would be much easier and fair if I lived in a country where 30-40% of the young female population thought I was desirable or attractive, compared to maybe 1-5% in the USA, no?

 

Well I am a bit older C- and I reside in Canada. But I can tell you that I notice a face first, that's what draws me in- everything else is secondary.

 

I'm not going to date a tall guy just because he is tall- I might notice him first because I can see his giant head looming over the crowd- but if he isn't attractive, his height won't make up for it.

 

You can move to a country where women are shorter or height doesn't matter to them- but is moving your best option for all aspects of your life including dating?

 

I actually think I am taller than the average female in north america- and I am saying height isn't overly important.

[cognac]

Well I am a bit older C- and I reside in Canada. But I can tell you that I notice a face first, that's what draws me in- everything else is secondary.

 

I think they are both equally important to women. But almost all the women I know intertwine being tall, or atleast very muscular as part of the being handsome package.

 

I'm not going to date a tall guy just because he is tall- I might notice him first because I can see his giant head looming over the crowd- but if he isn't attractive, his height won't make up for it.[/Quote]That doesn't mean most women feel that way. Most women would rather date a tall and average, even homely guy, over a short handsome one. A lot of those "how did he get her!?!" couples people here are always talking about, usually are composed of a very tall ugly guy.

 

Women will knitpick at my flaws, yet a large fraction of women accept an almost unlimited whole myriad of physical, personality ,and intellectual flaws in a guy if he's tall. Most women will go for the entire package at first (good looking, tall, and good personality), but are more than happy to sacrifice good personality and handsome if the guy is tall (and ignore the two other traits if the guy is less than 5'9).

 

You can move to a country where women are shorter or height doesn't matter to them- but is moving your best option for all aspects of your life including dating?[/Quote]Yes. I hate living in America for a number of reasons, the culture, people, and lifestyle is just not for me. But even if I liked everything about America except the women, I would still think it's worthwhile to move for a better chance at finding a compatible woman who loves you. I know for a fact that if I live in America for the rest of my life I will never get a girl who I like that likes me back.

 

Soon my best male friends will be moving away and I will finally be truly alone. I'm going to dedicate this alone time to raising as much money as I can and getting the hell out of this place, maybe even salvage some of my youth to get some romantic experience under my belt that I've been deprived of in this crappy society, despite being a normal, passably attractive, and charming guy.

 

I actually think I am taller than the average female in north america- and I am saying height isn't overly important.[/Quote]You are truly one in a million. Most women I know won't date a guy who isn't atleast 4-5 inches taller, MUCH less a guy a little shorter. Any random sampling of women will come to this conclusion, women overwhelmingly prefer men much taller than themselves.

Edited January 2, 2010 by cognac

[burning 4 revenge]

In Miami the Spanish girls werent so hung up on height because everyone is "short" but its super-materialistic down there like nowhere else Ive been

[theumlaut]

I'm the OP.

 

Stop the insanity people.

 

The thread starts one way, get hijacked by the first 10 pages of posters addressing everything but the QUESTION I posed. They come in the slam women variety, slam short men variety, some reasonable people; semi-reasonable trolls who aren't on-topic, some pure wackos, and a bunch of individual agendas. Meanwhile people refer to the “OP” directly sometimes in ways not tethered to the reality of what I actually wrote, and then some comments don’t specific the OP but are comments or questions directed like “I don’t know if you….” Who knows who they’re speaking to?

 

I did some things DIFFERENT from the usual male height (or similar) thread.

 

I posted verifiable empirical information. I asked a question drawn from that information requiring what I didn’t think was a very difficult reasoning process. I gave 1 personal example of the height-personals effect in action and shared my feelings about it and why it motivated me to post. That’s not, as someone recently posted here: “Someone, a guy or a girl, considers themselves fat/short/ugly/whatever. They make a thread about "why does the fact that I'm [whatever] mean I can't get dates? The world is against me." I didn’t come to moan, I came in search of an evaluation of DATA.

 

A simple question to understand in my eyes, but not to answer.

 

A 6 ft guy and 5’4” guy with the exact same personals profiles re: static info like ht/wt/age/politics/education/etc. show very different results in terms of a type of female appearance rating—height preferred.

 

The number of women who include the 6 ft guy in their stated preference is ten times as many as the number who includes the 5’4” guy. I.e., If 800 women include the 6 ft guy, only 80 include the short guy. In real world personals ads, generally 6 ft is the peak of men being included in women’s preferences (more than 5’11 and 6’1—and every other height).

 

What the women are doing is ranking men based on height in terms of a physical appearance preference. If 6 ft constitutes being a “ten” in ranking of part of physical appearance, doesn’t getting only 10% constitute being a “1” in that respect? Each 10%, say, constitutes one rating point.

 

The bigger meaning of it for men at various heights is that women screen them in or out in different numbers based on a physical trait from their pre-programmed searches. If only 10% of women are giving you a look-see based on if they use that stated physical appearance preference—it is an attractiveness ranking in the way it sorts—that is, you could be a millionaire, a model, a genius, a Nobel prize winner, Adonis, John Homes, whatever but they won’t even see your profile because they prescreened you out, doesn’t that physical-appearance-based screening make Mr. 5’4” a “1”?

 

That’s one way of looking at it, but regardless the height screening is part of the looks rating somehow, someway. How does it fit in, what are reasonable ways to think about it?

 

Height isn’t the only screening variable—weight, etc. play a role. I’m not moaning, begging for help, etc. I’m entertaining an intellectual notion and want to know how others see it. Some women do rule guys out based on height, not that other factors don’t play into things but I used the personals example of mine where the woman cut it off by her own admission merely due to height, i.e. I passed the others “tests” needed to get a meeting with her until she realized she’d never looked at the physical stats section of my Match profile (she was brand new).

 

It happens.

 

I’m not a loser. My face is considered a 7 these days. Used to be higher when I was younger. I’m an alpha male, many great things to be said of me and my success and talent and ability to love etc. My favorite sexual compliment to date was last week with a woman for the first time, while in “process” so to speak: “How can someone who licks so good still be single?”

 

I’ve dated women from 5’2” to 5’10”. That last one responded to my personals ad a few years ago and had listed a height preference of 5’10+. Another GF was 5’9.”

 

But those are the exceptions to the rule, and many, many women never even see my profile because they screen on height but would if I listed a taller height. I don't know what I can do about it, but I want to understand it better.

 

I want a reality check on the meaning of a quantitative variable. Others opinions.

 

I appreciate the comments of the women here who are rescannable wherever they fall on the spectrum, but have a special place in my heart for the Canadian woman. You sound very nice.

 

On the NAPOLEON COMPLEX: IT DOESN’T EXIST. It’s a myth. Psychologists have studied the levels of aggressiveness, hostility, controllingness, etc. of men differentiated by height and short men are no different from other men. MYTH. I could explain in social science lingo what leads people to see it, but simply it’s a preconceived notion. You think it exists. You observe a given man fitting that notion—bingo! Proof. Similar examples: Maybe you think all members of a certain religious group are greedy. Or all members of a certain race are lazy. Or women aren’t as smart as men. Easy to find confirming examples. But they’re false stereotypes. To what physical characteristic do you attribute the obnoxious, overly-aggressive behavior of non-short men? Look it up. It doesn’t exist.

 

If you comment on anything other than the above, you're off-topic so please don't relate it to me and what my rationale for posting here was/is.

Edited January 2, 2010 by theumlaut

[and.then.some]

I agree with you. Many of the top male actors (at least in America) seem to be shorter than the average height for males. For example, Tom Cruise is somewhere around 5'5" and Stallone is about 5'7". Jean Claude Van Damme is only 5'4" tall, but women almost universally find those men physically attractive.

 

Look at Ryan Seacrest. If you disregard the indications that he's gay and just judge him by his physical appearance alone, I think that most women would say that he is very attractive even if he is only maybe 5'6" tall.

 

Yup! Johnny Depp, Ryan Phillippe, Orlando Bloom, Brad Pitt ... all shorties (under 6' tall), but very hotties. Steven Seagal, John Lithgow, Will Ferrell and Tom Selleck are among the tall... lol no contest!

[and.then.some]

On the NAPOLEON COMPLEX: IT DOESN’T EXIST. It’s a myth. Psychologists have studied the levels of aggressiveness, hostility, controllingness, etc. of men differentiated by height and short men are no different from other men. MYTH. I could explain in social science lingo what leads people to see it, but simply it’s a preconceived notion. You think it exists. You observe a given man fitting that notion—bingo! Proof. Similar examples: Maybe you think all members of a certain religious group are greedy. Or all members of a certain race are lazy. Or women aren’t as smart as men. Easy to find confirming examples. But they’re false stereotypes. To what physical characteristic do you attribute the obnoxious, overly-aggressive behavior of non-short men? Look it up. It doesn’t exist.

 

If you comment on anything other than the above, you're off-topic so please don't relate it to me and what my rationale for posting here was/is.

 

I do want to apologize for my use of that term, given your frustration. Yet, I still feel that you're overreacting just a tad, given the context in which I used the term.

 

A person can be insecure about many things... weight, hair, profession, and so forth. When that particular individual displays negative traits based on a certain insecurity... it's all the same thing. Unfortunately, there are no special names, such as the Rosy O'Donnell complex, for everything else as of yet.

 

Not all shorter men are overly insecure about their height, or feel some need to over compensate. And, in the cases of those who may feel insecure, they don't all suffer from what I would call a "napoleon complex". (Please note, that I only used that term regarding one of the shorter individuals. Obviously I wasn't making some generalizing remark.)

 

As for the rest of your dilemma, I would suggest trying something other than online dating. That should probably reduce the chances of you being pre-screened out of the equation. I don't think it's good or at all healthy to attempt to put yourself in some number category according to what people who don't know you may believe based on your height.

 

Don't subject yourself to such agony. You yourself said that you're more than just your height or your physical appearance, so don't waste mental energy on those who can't or won't appreciate that. Meet people in an environment that lets them get to know you for who you are.

 

I've never tried online dating, but the same could be said for weight, profile pictures, and everything else I imagine. Off of looks alone, I could see myself not being interested in a guy. However, after getting to know a person, feelings can change. I've had that happen plenty of times with guys who "weren't my type" for any number of reasons. And no, it wasn't that I decided that it was okay to settle for less. As corny as it may sound, the beauty on the inside was able to shine through to the outside. All of a sudden a guy I wouldn't have looked twice at on any given day was "cute" to me.

 

It happens. That's just life.

[ordinary_girl]

I'm the OP.

 

Stop the insanity people.

 

The thread starts one way, get hijacked by the first 10 pages of posters addressing everything but the QUESTION I posed. They come in the slam women variety, slam short men variety, some reasonable people; semi-reasonable trolls who aren't on-topic, some pure wackos, and a bunch of individual agendas. Meanwhile people refer to the “OP” directly sometimes in ways not tethered to the reality of what I actually wrote, and then some comments don’t specific the OP but are comments or questions directed like “I don’t know if you….” Who knows who they’re speaking to?

 

 

what did you expect? this is a public forum. besides, the idea is that people sometimes approach your point from a view you hadn't thought of. you are supposed to be on a learning curve on LS

 

back to one aspect of the original post: from what I see, online dating is based on more tangible aspects of a person (which is precisely why I find it off-putting) and people have to narrow their choices. I think - from what I read on this board - many will have a relatively narrow window for height/weight/age/etc because they don't want to look desperate by having too wide a range (ie including too many potentials).

 

so my advice is unless you are a 6'2'' male model, stick to real life dating and don't worry about the superficial aspects of online dating sites. use your personality