Male height in looks "rating"--Is 5'4" a "1"?

[cognac]

I wish there was a way to prove my thesis. I bet everything i ever owned that if I was 6'2 I'd be receiving sexual favors from a good looking woman as I type this.

[TheLoneSock]

I'm an ass man myself, so the size of a girl's boobs doesn't really matter to me, big or small.

 

The same condition can be applied to females for their individual tastes for particular traits.

 

It doesn't help your argument cognac when everyon but you seems to be able to point out many, many examples of guys your height having a girlfriend. Good looking ones at that.

 

Are we to believe that everyone else is wrong in their experience and yours is the only truth? Not all women are height queens, most just want a guy that is taller than them, that is all.

 

No matter how angry you get and no matter how much you bitch, your situation is not going to change. Spend your energy elsewhere.

[SoulSearch_CO]

There's the difference see. Guys who are under 5'8 won't ever "stop the bitching" because at this point it's all we can do. Unlike you with your tiny boobs, us shorter than the average man will find it very hard for a normal looking, OK woman to accept us. Mean while you can find many normal, attractive, and similar to you people find you attractive even with your small rack, a guy who is not atleast 5'10 will never have this pleasure.

BS. The guy I'd love to have more than anything right now is "only" 5'9".

 

I mean, you even made sure to mention your husbands spinal condition causing him to slightly shrink in the same sentence as your little divorce story. Don't pretend they don't overlap.

Good to see you actually read the details of WHY we got divorced. You'd have to look at the very first thread I ever posted here. There were about 100 reasons to leave him - none of which had anything to do with his height. The most glaring problem? The fact that he couldn't keep it in his pants, honey. If women are so fixated on height, why were they attracted to the creeper 5'7" guy that was my XH? I think his current GF is exactly his height, or an inch taller. She doesn't seem to care - they're supposedly engaged.

 

So build a step-stool and get over it, Cognac.

[cognac]

I'm an ass man myself, so the size of a girl's boobs doesn't really matter to me, big or small.

 

The same condition can be applied to females for their individual tastes for particular traits.

 

I disagree completely. While men are split evenly into groups such as "ass men" , boob men, and leg men, most of these categories are pretty flexible for us. For example I am a "leg man" but in the end i don't really care if i like the girl.

 

It's not the same for women. A "short guy woman" is practically UNHEARD of. If they existed these threads would not be around, created by a diverse range of people in a wide range of situations.

 

Me as a normal guy with a normal weight with an intelligent mind, interesting , and decent looks, am condemned by women to be in the same attractiveness group as rosie o'donnell, bearded ladies, and the mentally retarded, all because I am 5'7.

 

I have met many women and never met one who preferred short guys. THe thing with tall guys is NOT a preference, it's a standard and an obligation. If you are not under 5'9, please don't pretend to know what you're talking about.

 

It doesn't help your argument cognac when everyon but you seems to be able to point out many, many examples of guys your height having a girlfriend. Good looking ones at that.[/Quote]I disagree. Most of the guys who are my height or smaller (And sometimes taller) all generally share the same sentiment, only some of them have slightly more hope. The only objector was one guy who claims he is 5'4 and obese and that guy is either just a troll adding fuel to the fire or a billionaire.

 

Are we to believe that everyone else is wrong in their experience and yours is the only truth? Not all women are height queens, most just want a guy that is taller than them, that is all.[/Quote]I think only us guys under 5'10 can see the truth. A woman typing that she doesn't care about height while being massaged by her 6'4 boyfriend doesn't mean jack to me.

 

No matter how angry you get and no matter how much you bitch, your situation is not going to change. Spend your energy elsewhere.[/Quote]

It's better to talk about it than to bottle up inside . I don't dwell on this 24/7 buddy, I just do when the topic is brought up, such as in here. "Spending my energy " elsewhere won't make the glaring facts any less true nor will it make my dating life any easier.

Edited October 31, 2009 by cognac

[TheLoneSock]

I disagree completely. While men are split evenly into groups such as "ass men" , boob men, and leg men, most of these categories are pretty flexible for us. For example I am a "leg man" but in the end i don't really care if i like the girl.

 

It's not the same for women. A "short guy woman" is practically UNHEARD of. If they existed these threads would not be around, created by a diverse range of people in a wide range of situations.

 

That comparisson didn't make any sense. The point was that if a guy is an ass man, he would be willing to overlook other negative traits because the girl has to offer what he likes. A girl may be a sucker for babyfaces, and would be willing to overlook a guy's sub-average height if she finds a guy that has one. The example you used is an incorrect one- a guy that digs cankles is 'practically UNHEARD of' as well. The idea is to accept negatives if the person has positives that you feel outweigh them- not to search for negatives.

 

Me as a normal guy with a normal weight with an intelligent mind, interesting , and decent looks, am condemned by women to be in the same attractiveness group as rosie o'donnell, bearded ladies, and the mentally retarded, all because I am 5'7.

 

Women view short guys the same way guys view overweight women. Would you date an overweight woman? No. It's not a double standard, people like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. Your expectations of being able to find an above average looking girl are no better than an overweight woman's expectations of being able to find a wealthy man. It is possible for it to happen, but may not be in the cards for you.

 

I have met many women and never met one who preferred short guys. THe thing with tall guys is NOT a preference, it's a standard and an obligation. If you are not under 5'9, please don't pretend to know what you're talking about.

 

Just like you have never met a guy that PREFERS his women to be obese. It works both ways.

 

I disagree. Most of the guys who are my height or smaller (And sometimes taller) all generally share the same sentiment, only some of them have slightly more hope. The only objector was one guy who claims he is 5'4 and obese and that guy is either just a troll adding fuel to the fire or a billionaire.

 

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.

 

I think only us guys under 5'10 can see the truth. A woman typing that she doesn't care about height while being massaged by her 6'4 boyfriend doesn't mean jack to me.

 

It's better to talk about it than to bottle up inside . I don't dwell on this 24/7 buddy, I just do when the topic is brought up, such as in here. "Spending my energy " elsewhere won't make the glaring facts any less true nor will it make my dating life any easier.

 

I'm not your buddy. Height issues and shallow women is what the majority of your posts are about. That is significant time spent- and that's just here.

Edited October 31, 2009 by TheLoneSock
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[SoulSearch_CO]

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.

Exactly. There is much more to picking out a partner than their height.

 

Cognac - I'm 5'7". Minus your cruddy attitude, if you were attractive (and I have a broad range of what that means), great personality, intelligent, easy to get along with, good sense of humor - I'd date you. But your attitude about women being the enemy because they have height preferences (I just don't want one shorter than me - so what?) is a serious turn-off.

[Rudderless]

It doesn't help your argument cognac when everyon but you seems to be able to point out many, many examples of guys your height having a girlfriend. Good looking ones at that..

 

Eh? You disagree with him

 

Women view short guys the same way guys view overweight women. Would you date an overweight woman? No.

 

Then you agree with him?

 

 

 

 

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.

 

 

Then you disagree again..

[purpleplanet]

my dad is 5'6" and my mom is 5'11" - happily married for 34 years ... also I have a friend who is 6'1" and just married a wonderful man that is about 5'7". There are women out there that see past the packaging and into the soul.

[justforfun]

I wish there was a way to prove my thesis. I bet everything i ever owned that if I was 6'2 I'd be receiving sexual favors from a good looking woman as I type this.

 

How about the thesis on why women are hardwired to be attracted to height?

 

Oh, no, wait a minute...that's been done a few 1000 times.

[cognac]

That comparisson didn't make any sense. The point was that if a guy is an ass man, he would be willing to overlook other negative traits because the girl has to offer what he likes. A girl may be a sucker for babyfaces, and would be willing to overlook a guy's sub-average height if she finds a guy that has one. The example you used is an incorrect one- a guy that digs cankles is 'practically UNHEARD of' as well. The idea is to accept negatives if the person has positives that you feel outweigh them- not to search for negatives.[/Quote]

 

I disagree. Most women are flexible on virtually everything but height (And with some, money).

 

It's true most men dislike cankles, and they are ugly, but they're a small part of the package, most men won't reject a woman because of her ugly ankles. However, when it comes to men women will reject them over being shorter than average.

 

Women view short guys the same way guys view overweight women. Would you date an overweight woman? No. It's not a double standard, people like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. Your expectations of being able to find an above average looking girl are no better than an overweight woman's expectations of being able to find a wealthy man. It is possible for it to happen, but may not be in the cards for you.[/Quote]

 

No, men view overweight women in the same way women view overweight guys. The short guys thing is in a league of it's own, it's like the worst possible thing you can be in a woman's eyes.

 

And who said I expect an above average looking girl? I am content with an average looking girl who is a good person and cute.

 

So it certainly is a double standard. Especially considering the fact that how long your legs are have nothing to do with your ability to protect a woman or your penis size.

 

Even considering how unattractive fat women are, a fat chick not only can lose the weight, but can go to a bar and get laid with a get looking guy just by putting herself out there. I think if it was like that for short males the choir would be completely silent.

 

Just like you have never met a guy that PREFERS his women to be obese. It works both ways.[/Quote]

 

LOL! I've met a few and most of them are freaks and weirdos (in a variety of ways).

 

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.[/Quote]

 

Yes, it does make that much of a difference. If you were 3 inches shorter you'd know. I know it seems ridiculous but that is the purpose of this thread, that 3 inches of height in a woman's eyes are the difference between being some Fabio like stallion of a man to Danny DeVito.

 

I'm not your buddy. Height issues and shallow women is what the majority of your posts are about. That is significant time spent- and that's just here.[/Quote]

 

Whose forcing you to read them? When I see most of your posts I just scroll past them quickly because of how retarded and annoying you are. I bet you wear a backwards baseball hat and listen to rap.

[cognac]

Exactly. There is much more to picking out a partner than their height.

 

Cognac - I'm 5'7". Minus your cruddy attitude, if you were attractive (and I have a broad range of what that means), great personality, intelligent, easy to get along with, good sense of humor - I'd date you. But your attitude about women being the enemy because they have height preferences (I just don't want one shorter than me - so what?) is a serious turn-off.

 

Don't give me the "it's your attitude" song and dance. Anyone with a discerning mind sees every day how little attitude means as long as you are a physically attractive and dominating towards women. Women seem to like a very wide range of personalities (from the high earning sillicon valley type weenie, the gruff angry ball busting biker, and the 27 year old ball cap wearing whigger man baby) but seem to date guys who generally, all look the same.

 

My dating life with the attitude you want me to have would be the same or worse.

 

How about the thesis on why women are hardwired to be attracted to height?

 

Oh, no, wait a minute...that's been done a few 1000 times.[/Quote]

 

Women are hardwired to be attracted to extreme dominance and brutality.

[betamanlet]

Or those of us that have small breasts come to terms with the fact that they just ARE the way they ARE and yes, it cuts down on certain men being interested, but WTF do I care? Kind of like the height issue - I can accept what I've been given on my body and be happy and confident... or I can go through tremendously painful plastic surgery to put stupid silicone things in my chest that'll get in the way, make it harder to sleep on my stomach, and attract the more shallow guys, and put me at risk of terribly painful (and potentially disfiguring/life-threatening) complications. Boy, oh boy, that sounds like an awesome option.

 

I guess my point is... A lot of guys prefer chicks with bigger boobs. I have A's. A lot of chicks prefer guys with height. I accept my boobs (and love them!) the way they are and have had no trouble finding guys that I adore that love them, too. Quit bitching about your height, guys. Confidence goes a long way. I'm tired of hearing the complaints. Learn to love yourself so that others can even be given the opportunity to do the same.

 

 

Small boobs are not a dealbreak for the vast majority of men. I would prefer larger boobs, but every girl I've dated has had tiny boobs. Honestly, my pecs are bigger than their boobs. I think THEY had a problem with that. There are tons and tons of women who have absolute height requirements, and while I'm 5'10, not really that short, I really feel for the shorter guys who are completely eliminated from the dating pool due to something they have no control over.

[betamanlet]

I'm an ass man myself, so the size of a girl's boobs doesn't really matter to me, big or small.

 

The same condition can be applied to females for their individual tastes for particular traits.

 

It doesn't help your argument cognac when everyon but you seems to be able to point out many, many examples of guys your height having a girlfriend. Good looking ones at that.

 

Are we to believe that everyone else is wrong in their experience and yours is the only truth? Not all women are height queens, most just want a guy that is taller than them, that is all.

 

No matter how angry you get and no matter how much you bitch, your situation is not going to change. Spend your energy elsewhere.

 

Women always on their ads put their height requirement, which is usually 5'10 or greater.

 

Imagine if a guy said "you must weigh less than me". He's be called a "shallow pig", yet women do the same thing, for things people have no control over even.

[anne1707]

Women are hardwired to be attracted to extreme dominance and brutality.

 

Oh sure. Us women just love men who are going to treat us like s***.

[betamanlet]

That comparisson didn't make any sense. The point was that if a guy is an ass man, he would be willing to overlook other negative traits because the girl has to offer what he likes. A girl may be a sucker for babyfaces, and would be willing to overlook a guy's sub-average height if she finds a guy that has one. The example you used is an incorrect one- a guy that digs cankles is 'practically UNHEARD of' as well. The idea is to accept negatives if the person has positives that you feel outweigh them- not to search for negatives.

 

 

 

Women view short guys the same way guys view overweight women. Would you date an overweight woman? No. It's not a double standard, people like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. Your expectations of being able to find an above average looking girl are no better than an overweight woman's expectations of being able to find a wealthy man. It is possible for it to happen, but may not be in the cards for you.

 

 

 

Just like you have never met a guy that PREFERS his women to be obese. It works both ways.

 

 

 

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.

 

 

 

I'm not your buddy. Height issues and shallow women is what the majority of your posts are about. That is significant time spent- and that's just here.

 

 

There are plenty of guys who actually prefer obese women. I have a friend who only dates fat chicks, and married a fat woman.

 

I live in DC, and constantly see very over weight black women being hit on by black guys. The fat women where I live are very picky with men, so obviously they must have some basis for having such standards, so they have no shortage of men interested in them. I know a fat chick that dates more per year than I have my entire life put together, and she's also a single parent... Men are MUCH more forgiving than women are.

[betamanlet]

Oh sure. Us women just love men who are going to treat us like s***.

 

 

While I don't think that's the case, women are attracted to masculine traits, and control and dominance is one. If you'll look, dominant, controlling types of men are much more successful with women because they are more masculine. And "nice guys" fail with women becuase basically they have feminine traits of not being aggressive, of asking, not taking. So despite what women say they want, they'll take the alpha over the nice guy, 9/10 times.. It's just how women are wired.

 

Can't tell you how many women I know who are constantly with guys who treat them like crap, while I go years without a date.. I cannot provide the drama they require, hence they are happier being "mistreated" than by being with me.

[betamanlet]

Don't give me the "it's your attitude" song and dance. Anyone with a discerning mind sees every day how little attitude means as long as you are a physically attractive and dominating towards women. Women seem to like a very wide range of personalities (from the high earning sillicon valley type weenie, the gruff angry ball busting biker, and the 27 year old ball cap wearing whigger man baby) but seem to date guys who generally, all look the same.

 

My dating life with the attitude you want me to have would be the same or worse.

 

 

 

Women are hardwired to be attracted to extreme dominance and brutality.

 

 

They want alpha males. Not nice guy betas. Nice guy betas remind them of themselves, which repulses them. You don't have to be a complete abusive douchebag, but you must be aggressive. You take. You don't ask, you take. Forget everything you were ever taught about women... It's wrong. Don't listen to what they say they want, observe what they actually want. They are never the same things.. You always hear about women complaining there are no nice guys left, yet nice guys die virgins and dateless, and guys on death row get hundreds of love letters from adoring women..

 

Even Ted Bundy, who killed only women, would get hundreds of love letters per week while on death row. Scott Peterson, who killed his pregnant wife, gets tons of love letters. How many love letters do you get?

[cognac]

Oh sure. Us women just love men who are going to treat us like s***.

 

This is the truth. Has been for all of history. Justforfun will argue the genetic hardwiring of women to prefer rly tall guyz, See women don't understand here, their genetic hardwiring argument is a very slippery slope. Imagine if we men followed our genetic hardwiring like we used to, these debates wouldn't even matter neither would women even have a say in who gets to date/mate/marry who.

 

So yeah let's just follow what we're hardwired to do. Hey Justforfun I'm taking you back to my cave tonight whether you like it or not, sorry, it's just how i'm hardwired.

[AD1980]

That comparisson didn't make any sense. The point was that if a guy is an ass man, he would be willing to overlook other negative traits because the girl has to offer what he likes. A girl may be a sucker for babyfaces, and would be willing to overlook a guy's sub-average height if she finds a guy that has one. The example you used is an incorrect one- a guy that digs cankles is 'practically UNHEARD of' as well. The idea is to accept negatives if the person has positives that you feel outweigh them- not to search for negatives.

 

 

 

Women view short guys the same way guys view overweight women. Would you date an overweight woman? No. It's not a double standard, people like what they like, and dislike what they dislike. Your expectations of being able to find an above average looking girl are no better than an overweight woman's expectations of being able to find a wealthy man. It is possible for it to happen, but may not be in the cards for you.

 

 

 

Just like you have never met a guy that PREFERS his women to be obese. It works both ways.

 

 

 

I stand at 5'10" barefoot. 3 inches taller than you. I have zero issues meeting and getting with girls. I'm supposed to believe that a mere 3 inches of height makes that much difference? Please.

 

 

 

I'm not your buddy. Height issues and shallow women is what the majority of your posts are about. That is significant time spent- and that's just here.

 

I dont undertsand are you agreeing or disagreeing ?

 

in one post youre disagreeing in another your saying short men are like fat or obese women and shouldnt exepct to get attractive women

 

Your really makign short guys feel good saying they cant get good lookign women

 

And i dotn undertsand the short guy fat or obese women comaprison

 

If a guy is in really good shape and has a good face why should he be comapred to an obese or fat women??

 

And im not talking a guy whos 5'4 im sayign a guy slightly shorter then the average

[Lizzie60]

Well male height for a woman is like female weight for a man..

 

it's all about preference.. it doesn't take anything away from your personality.. it's only a personal preference.

 

I am short (5'2) and I prefer tall men.. over 5'10.

 

I will meet a guy next week, he's 6'4... tall, dark and handsome.. just like I like them..

 

But I also know a couple with a huge difference in height do look odd..

[AD1980]

Well male height for a woman is like female weight for a man..

 

 

But I also know a couple with a huge difference in height do look odd..

 

But on what specific level?

 

I dont like fat girls but i dont like stick figures either

 

Where is the height line where it becomes an issue for most women??

[cognac]

I dont undertsand are you agreeing or disagreeing ?

 

in one post youre disagreeing in another your saying short men are like fat or obese women and shouldnt exepct to get attractive women

 

Your really makign short guys feel good saying they cant get good lookign women

 

And i dotn undertsand the short guy fat or obese women comaprison

 

If a guy is in really good shape and has a good face why should he be comapred to an obese or fat women??

 

And im not talking a guy whos 5'4 im sayign a guy slightly shorter then the average

 

I never got this either.

 

IT's true, a short guy technically can still get a girlfriend. The problem is though is that our value is so low that we are getting a raw deal. A good looking , intelligent and funny guy at 5'7 will be stuck dating obese, unintelligent and boring women solely because of his height. And unlike these obese and boring movie, there will never be anything we can do to inrease our value in the dating market. It's why you so often see shorter guys who have totally let go of themselves, they realize that their eligibility is out of their power completely. No amount of hard work, determination, and self-improvement will make the shorter guy any more attractive, unlike the fat chick, the ugly chick (makeup), the etc etc.

 

On the other hand I see this left and right as well, a guy who is ugly, retarded ,and boring but is tall dating pretty, intelligent and very compatible women, just because of his height (tall guys). It makes no sense to me at all. Looks matter to all of us, but I can't point out a single biological trait in a woman that would make me date a ugly, boring and stupid woman over a pretty , smart, and kind one!

[Waitress]

Haven't read the whole thread. I hope you got some good feedback.

 

I'm 5'6" and two of the great loves of my life have been 5'4".

 

I'm sorry you've had these experiences but we all come across the soul-crushing comments. It says more about the other person than it does about us though.

[AD1980]

I never got this either.

 

IT's true, a short guy technically can still get a girlfriend. The problem is though is that our value is so low that we are getting a raw deal. A good looking , intelligent and funny guy at 5'7 will be stuck dating obese, unintelligent and boring women solely because of his height. And unlike these obese and boring movie, there will never be anything we can do to inrease our value in the dating market. It's why you so often see shorter guys who have totally let go of themselves, they realize that their eligibility is out of their power completely. No amount of hard work, determination, and self-improvement will make the shorter guy any more attractive, unlike the fat chick, the ugly chick (makeup), the etc etc.

 

On the other hand I see this left and right as well, a guy who is ugly, retarded ,and boring but is tall dating pretty, intelligent and very compatible women, just because of his height (tall guys). It makes no sense to me at all. Looks matter to all of us, but I can't point out a single biological trait in a woman that would make me date a ugly, boring and stupid woman over a pretty , smart, and kind one!

 

Ive seen short guys with attractive women..I think as logn as you have a decent face and arent extremely shorter then the average man you shouldnt have prolbems..

 

Wome can throw around numbers all they want you think they measure guys when they meet them?? Women dont know what they want anyway theyre goofy

[cognac]

Well male height for a woman is like female weight for a man..

 

it's all about preference.. it doesn't take anything away from your personality.. it's only a personal preference.

 

I am short (5'2) and I prefer tall men.. over 5'10.

 

I will meet a guy next week, he's 6'4... tall, dark and handsome.. just like I like them..

 

But I also know a couple with a huge difference in height do look odd..

 

I wouldn't say it's a personal preference. Short girls (You) have this preference, medium girl have this preference, tall girls have this preference. It's not a personal preference it's a universally attractive trait.

 

Imagine if I argued with a straight face that I have a personal preference for women with flawless, perfect bodies and beautiful perfect faces. Don't judge me for being unrealistic or shallow, it's just my personal preference