Rudderless Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 cognac, cry me a river Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yea, you're definitely short, but not a freak. You are the same hight as the average woman. Just go find yourself a 5' - 5'2" asian cutie and forget about all the big girls out there . That's what happens when you put too much hormones in the cow milk . I'm 5'8", which is still what many women would consider short (:rolleyes:). Even if so, it works both ways - tall women could reject me all they want, but I've never been attracted to the butch all-american type to begin with, so it's a-okay . Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yea, you're definitely short, but not a freak. You are the same hight as the average woman. Just go find yourself a 5' - 5'2" asian cutie and forget about all the big girls out there . That's what happens when you put too much hormones in the cow milk . I'm 5'8", which is still what many women would consider short (:rolleyes:). Even if so, it works both ways - tall women could reject me all they want, but I've never been attracted to the butch all-american type to begin with, so it's a-okay . Have you ever gotten attractive women? Because according to some on here thats an impossiblity at your height Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 And no, male height isn't like female weight. If I could be tall with hard work, self-control and determination, there would be no short guys on earth considering how unattractive women find us. It's worse than female weight, and something we can't even control. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 And no, male height isn't like female weight. If I could be tall with hard work, self-control and determination, there would be no short guys on earth considering how unattractive women find us. It's worse than female weight, and something we can't even control. Well.. in MY opinion IT IS... Men prefer thin women.. women prefer tall men... Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well.. in MY opinion IT IS... Men prefer thin women.. women prefer tall men... Actually the more appropriate comparison would be age - men prefer young women, since that is fairly universal and can't be changed either. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well.. in MY opinion IT IS... Men prefer thin women.. women prefer tall men... Men prefer non fat women most men dont like stick figures with n ocurves Though the amount of tall men isnt that high and theres allot more women then men so some of these women are gonan have to settle for us short guys Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well.. in MY opinion IT IS... Men prefer thin women.. women prefer tall men... Um, women prefer thin men too. Comparison is moot. There is no equivelant to a woman's height fetish for males. Men have a wide variety of things they prefer but when it comes down to it there is no dealbreaker comparable to woman's yearning for only tall guys (and rich guys, and dark haired guys, etc). I would say a fat woman despite having only themselves to blame for their appearance, will STILL have more success getting intimate contact with all kinds of man compared to a shorter guy. Not to mention the American definition of fat is the rest of the world's definition of morbidly obese, while our definition of "curvy" is the world's definition of fat. On the other hand according to most women most men under 5'10 are considered short by women. I think lizzie if you're going to have some extremely strict preference you should bring this to the table. What do you think of a fat woman/man who has a "Strong preference" for only slender and thin mates? Why do you think girls who are barely breaking 5 feet have a right to demand 6'4 man? Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Have you ever gotten attractive women? Because according to some on here thats an impossiblity at your height Well, my my current gf is pretty hot/cute, and my ex was very pretty as well. So yes. Neither of them are knockouts/model type (or 10s ), but universally pretty for sure. Maybe 7's (). Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Actually the more appropriate comparison would be age - men prefer young women, since that is fairly universal and can't be changed either. Just wait for lil' Lizzie to start getting older and losing her pretty looks, she'll know what it's like to be us A 5'2 girl who only dates guys a FOOT and some taller Judging from the comments of women height is the most attractive thing about a man. So using this lens, it's the equivelant of some guy who looks like Dan Akroyd without the fame and money and is morbidly obese demanding to date only supermodels because it's his "personal preference". Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well male height for a woman is like female weight for a man.. it's all about preference.. it doesn't take anything away from your personality.. it's only a personal preference. I am short (5'2) and I prefer tall men.. over 5'10. I will meet a guy next week, he's 6'4... tall, dark and handsome.. just like I like them.. But I also know a couple with a huge difference in height do look odd.. You do realize that your height requirement eliminates OVER 50% of men, right? I find it halarious that I would tower 8" over you and yet still, I'm not tall enough for you. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 What i find funny is how a women can degrade and put down short guys or say how theyre not attractive which ive seen happen in public but if a man calls women fat hes a scumbag Its amazing women have all these physical insceurities you would think theyd be a little more sympathetic to other people "imperfections" Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Just wait for lil' Lizzie to start getting older and losing her pretty looks, she'll know what it's like to be us A 5'2 girl who only dates guys a FOOT and some taller Judging from the comments of women height is the most attractive thing about a man. So using this lens, it's the equivelant of some guy who looks like Dan Akroyd without the fame and money and is morbidly obese demanding to date only supermodels because it's his "personal preference". So what? These women would be nightmares. You would want to be with someone that picky. You'd guaranteed to get divorced, lose half your stuff, when she changes her mind. Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well, my my current gf is pretty hot/cute, and my ex was very pretty as well. So yes. Neither of them are knockouts/model type (or 10s ), but universally pretty for sure. Maybe 7's (). I am happy for you Sam Spade, but if you have an Asian girlfriend (not sure, just figuring from your comment before) you have to realize our relationship to them as whiteys is just as warped. I've had a few Asian male friends who are in the same boat as us shorter than average guys, they can't get their own women to give them a shot, much less other groups of women, because of their race (!), their women want to date only whites (sometimes they even don't like whites with brown hair or eyes, they want to date blondes). It's the same as the short women who speak with such disgust and hatred of short guys and only want to date guys who are a foot taller. We as men shouldn't feed into any of these bizarre dating trends of women and have solidarity with other men in a similar but slightly different boat. Link to post Share on other sites
cognac Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 So what? These women would be nightmares. You would want to be with someone that picky. You'd guaranteed to get divorced, lose half your stuff, when she changes her mind. Oh don't get me wrong, I agree completely. But come on, with this mentality we're going to be mighty lonely. But my view is that most women are extremely picky, and the few who aren't are virtually indiscriminate (they'll be with anyone). Is it really picky of me to want to date a girl who is ok looking and has a brain? Because I am alright looking, in good shape, and have a brain. Unlike picky women, I bring what I expect to the table and still have leeway for them, yet I AM told to lower my preferences and to scrape the bottom of the barrel. How my height brings me from a 6 or a 7 to a -1 in terms of attractiveness I will never understand. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 it doesn't take anything away from your personality.. . You women should get a noble peace prize for not judging a man as a human being on his height Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 What i find funny is how a women can degrade and put down short guys or say how theyre not attractive which ive seen happen in public but if a man calls women fat hes a scumbag Its amazing women have all these physical insceurities you would think theyd be a little more sympathetic to other people "imperfections" Women are repelled by anything that reminds them of themselves. Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I am happy for you Sam Spade, but if you have an Asian girlfriend (not sure, just figuring from your comment before) you have to realize our relationship to them as whiteys is just as warped. I've had a few Asian male friends who are in the same boat as us shorter than average guys, they can't get their own women to give them a shot, much less other groups of women, because of their race (!), their women want to date only whites (sometimes they even don't like whites with brown hair or eyes, they want to date blondes). It's the same as the short women who speak with such disgust and hatred of short guys and only want to date guys who are a foot taller. We as men shouldn't feed into any of these bizarre dating trends of women and have solidarity with other men in a similar but slightly different boat. (yes, current gf is asian, but previous one wasn't; both short though ) I understand, and agree somewhat. But the point is that warped views can also work to your advantage sometimes. That said, I don't think that asian's girls aversion to asian guys is any more justified or acceptable than most girl's aversion to short guys. This is probably at least minimally mediated by the fact that asian girls who pass for average in their neck of the woods, here are perceived to be above average attractive (so supply and demand forces definitely get skewed in their favor, esp considering important intangible qualities that make them preferable for LTR). Anyway, bottom line is that justified or not, bitterness will not make things any better. It's okay to be pissed, but it's not okay to dwell on it; it is much more healthy to focus on the things you can control and make the most of it. Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Oh don't get me wrong, I agree completely. But come on, with this mentality we're going to be mighty lonely. But my view is that most women are extremely picky, and the few who aren't are virtually indiscriminate (they'll be with anyone). Is it really picky of me to want to date a girl who is ok looking and has a brain? Because I am alright looking, in good shape, and have a brain. Unlike picky women, I bring what I expect to the table and still have leeway for them, yet I AM told to lower my preferences and to scrape the bottom of the barrel. How my height brings me from a 6 or a 7 to a -1 in terms of attractiveness I will never understand. Life's not fair. You have to accept that. I have been brutally dumped by short single mothers who had no jobs, and I treated her very well, because she had tons of options and realize she could get pretty much whomever she wants. I had my own place, am a lawyer, six figure income, treated her very well, was crazy about her. And got dumped. This stuff happens.. You'll hear it from lots of people, but it's better to be lonely than miserable, and the vast, vast vast majority of relationships fail. Most marriages fail, and the ones that don't end in divorce aren't all happy. You, as a guy, and I assume short, probably shy as well, have to be able to be happy being alone. Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Oh don't get me wrong, I agree completely. But come on, with this mentality we're going to be mighty lonely. But my view is that most women are extremely picky, and the few who aren't are virtually indiscriminate (they'll be with anyone). Is it really picky of me to want to date a girl who is ok looking and has a brain? Because I am alright looking, in good shape, and have a brain. Unlike picky women, I bring what I expect to the table and still have leeway for them, yet I AM told to lower my preferences and to scrape the bottom of the barrel. How my height brings me from a 6 or a 7 to a -1 in terms of attractiveness I will never understand. It's pretty simple: no matter what, there will *always* be someone interested in a woman. The problem is that many women ignore the quality of the pool from this computation, and easily mistake constant interest from guys for inner self worth, and BAM! - become way more picky than could be justified by looking at what they actually bring to the table. But, you wouldn't want to be with such a delusional person anyway, although there will always be some of that. Chances are that yo'll marry down at least along one dimension, do don't sweat it. It's just the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 It's pretty simple: no matter what, there will *always* be someone interested in a woman. The problem is that many women ignore the quality of the pool from this computation, and easily mistake constant interest from guys for inner self worth, and BAM! - become way more picky than could be justified by looking at what they actually bring to the table. But, you wouldn't want to be with such a delusional person anyway, although there will always be some of that. Chances are that yo'll marry down at least along one dimension, do don't sweat it. It's just the way it is. Thats the problem even medicore or ugly women get hit on constantly because allot of men will bang anyhtign with enough alcohol so they have inflated sense of how they look.. So any semi attratcive girl gets hit on constantly of course shes gonna think she desrves some rich stud Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Thats the problem even medicore or ugly women get hit on constantly because allot of men will bang anyhtign with enough alcohol so they have inflated sense of how they look.. So any semi attratcive girl gets hit on constantly of course shes gonna think she desrves some rich stud Life's not fair. You have to hit on women if you want one, and she's going to take the best offer she gets. She won't be asking you out.. They say, it takes having a girlfriend to get one. Women desire men that other women desire. Every guy who has ever had a girlfriend knows this is truth. Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 They say, it takes having a girlfriend to get one. Women desire men that other women desire. Every guy who has ever had a girlfriend knows this is truth. That is true..Im not very good with women butt he one decent hot streak i had it seemed as if the women in my social circle all of a sudden were somwhat attracted to me after i hooked up wity a pretty attractive women[because of alcohol] Its crazy how that works.I dont know if its a stamp of approval thing or women all hate each other and are in constant competiton Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Fractal Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 It would seem to me that, speaking in the physical (height), one way to help offset the height percentage some is to have a big penis. I don't know what these online dating services indicate, but a poll of almost 1000 women by Psychology Today indicated that 10% of women rate penis size as very important. It seems to me that many of that 10% group would be willing to forego any height preferences if the guy was packing. If it mattered to her how it looks in public to be with a short fellow she could just make sure he wears pants (not tight though) that help show off that her man is working with more than your taller man is. One of prevailing theories as to why women prefer taller guys is because it makes them feel more protected. Even if that doesn't exacly make sense this day and age, for various reasons, it could be that dna programming just hasn't adjusted enough to modern times yet. At any rate, there is pecking order mentality amongst guys when it comes to penis size. Many guys would not even consider trying anything with a woman who they see has a SO who looks like he's packing. Women who are into big penies and are aware of this pecking order would be inclined to overlook height. I'm not sure though how many size queens (women who put much importance on penis size)would realise this about the pecking order. Even if many size queens don't, size queens tend to view big penises as very manly and that would help some size queens overlook a height preference. Not saying this would help up the percentage for a short guy much, as there are only 10% women who are size queens, but I think it is bound to help some. Of course a short guy has to have a big one for this to apply at all, and most guys don't, short or tall. All in all not a very stastically useful post, but I think it applies to some degree. Link to post Share on other sites
octopus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hello everyone here at Loveshack. This is my first post! I have to say that this subject intigues me. I myself am 5'6". I personally have never really had problems finding women to go out with me and have been in several long term relationships. The most recent ended about 4 months ago. I went to a dating website and I did a little "research" on this subject. Normally I would be looking at the females of course,however, for the sake of this experiment I typed in that I was a woman searching for divorced/separated men who are under 5'4". Let me tell you, there is no shortage of men under this height that are divorced. What does this mean? It means that eventhough thay are divorced they did at one time find a woman that thought them worthy of marriage. Despite the fact that they are short. I have no doubt that there are women out there that wouldn't consider going out with a short man. I have to say that it is a little disconcerning to hear that a short woman would never go out with a short man despite the fact that he is still taller than she is. However, the point is that there are still plenty of women out there who still have a head on their shoulders and that for them height is not their main concern. Link to post Share on other sites
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