disgracian Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 to feel existence without the presence of God and be lead entirely by their own leader... It's not really hard to imagine, since this has been the case for as long as humans have existed. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Eve Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Disgracian, I was trying to answer an initial question by the OP also within my response but would agree that people do follow 'leaders' etc often before common sense/decency.. and yes this has been going on since whenever within religious, political and interpersonal circles. Perhaps a good field test would be to establish a cult of people away from modern civilization who are born without indoctrination and no common belief system. Would they or future generations begin to look for spirituality as well? Would they adhere to new superstitions? I think that the answer to that would probably be yes, but we actually may have evolved far enough mentally that some would not pursue these avenues. Maybe someday there would be a University (Or other organization) study that asks these same questions and puts them to the test. Would be interesting I wanted to highlight this deep yearning to be/remain entirely without God is also Scripturally mentioned as being allocated a time to be fully lived within human existence... but sort of at the end. The root of the issue that I see is that there is much contention about who is practising *true* faith and who isnt. Or calling faith coincidence/stating that people are fine without God. Hence removing The Holy Spirit altogether from the Earth should illuminate matters considerably. As I said, I can very easily see that people would war against God beyond the usual barrage of words of disbelief. Funnily enough, the 'new leader' or anti-christ mentioned within Scripture is said to capture the nations with signs etc.. so I dont know how that fits in with the belief that indocrination/no common belief system will exist without The Holy Spirit being present on the Earth. So, anyway, I just wanted to add that we are supposed to actually see all this come to pass... literally. I suppose this is where the rapture theory comes into place? There will be no more Christians warning about this and that, which is what the non believer often speaks about as so desperately wanting. Still, I wouldnt want to be around in that time if this is true. People are bad enough without that still small voice (that I take notice of) being present. I have come to think off this still small voice as gentle evidence of The Holy Spirit. I suppose we will see if thats true or not eventually too. Other more profound 'evidence' comes about methinks as part of a 'calling' from God/seeking on the part of an individual for pure reasons but once again this doesnt happen without some level of leading by The Holy Spirit. So, non believers will have this opportunity... this is what history is leading towards in every way, shape and form. Thats what I think anyway. Take care, Eve xx Link to post Share on other sites
disgracian Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 The persecution complex of your average Christian is pretty funny to behold. They love going on about how the world would love to line them up against the wall (our own Moose is pretty fond of that imagery and has invoked it on several occasions), and that the non-believers are just waiting for the chance to herd them into camps or somesuch. The majority of this whining usually comes from Western countries (most ironically, the US) where Christian lobby groups wield disproportionate amounts of influence, where very recent presidents have publicly stated that atheists should not even be considered citizens, and where there's probably been not a single non-Christian president in the nation's history (there is some debate on this). Moreover, they have managed to hold back civil rights to people of differing lifestyles, at times managed to have their religious mythology passed off as science to unsuspecting school children, it's infused with almost every layer and aspect of American culture and society. So where does this notion of persecution come from? Certainly not reality, last time I looked. Cheers, D. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Rooster_DAR Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 The persecution complex of your average Christian is pretty funny to behold. They love going on about how the world would love to line them up against the wall (our own Moose is pretty fond of that imagery and has invoked it on several occasions), and that the non-believers are just waiting for the chance to herd them into camps or somesuch. The majority of this whining usually comes from Western countries (most ironically, the US) where Christian lobby groups wield disproportionate amounts of influence, where very recent presidents have publicly stated that atheists should not even be considered citizens, and where there's probably been not a single non-Christian president in the nation's history (there is some debate on this). Moreover, they have managed to hold back civil rights to people of differing lifestyles, at times managed to have their religious mythology passed off as science to unsuspecting school children, it's infused with almost every layer and aspect of American culture and society. So where does this notion of persecution come from? Certainly not reality, last time I looked. Cheers, D. Agreed.... Persecution under many religious faces have been the rule more than the exception. This is one of the biggest reasons I can't stand organized religion. Cheerio! Link to post Share on other sites
Moai Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 The persecution complex of your average Christian is pretty funny to behold. They love going on about how the world would love to line them up against the wall (our own Moose is pretty fond of that imagery and has invoked it on several occasions), and that the non-believers are just waiting for the chance to herd them into camps or somesuch. The majority of this whining usually comes from Western countries (most ironically, the US) where Christian lobby groups wield disproportionate amounts of influence, where very recent presidents have publicly stated that atheists should not even be considered citizens, and where there's probably been not a single non-Christian president in the nation's history (there is some debate on this). Moreover, they have managed to hold back civil rights to people of differing lifestyles, at times managed to have their religious mythology passed off as science to unsuspecting school children, it's infused with almost every layer and aspect of American culture and society. So where does this notion of persecution come from? Certainly not reality, last time I looked. Cheers, D. They seek to emulate their savior. They are also the only group I am aware of that feels persecuted because they are not allowed to force their beliefs on others. Link to post Share on other sites
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