CarrieT Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Pull your own credit report and double check (you are allowed to do so for free once a year and is a good idea anyway). Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetcheripie Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 LB - how about opening your own practice? You have a Master's right? In your state can you practice as an MFCC? Are there groups of MFCC's that lease space and that basically work together but really run their own practice? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 LB - how about opening your own practice? You have a Master's right? In your state can you practice as an MFCC? Are there groups of MFCC's that lease space and that basically work together but really run their own practice? You have to have a liscense (LPC) and be credentialed through an insurance agency in order to do that. I can't actually even get a job at a private counseling firm without a liscensure because they can't bill for me. I am an NCC (nationally certified counselor) but all that does is qualify me to get my LPC. You need so much supervision hours (equivilant to 2 years) and I have about 9 more months to go. You have to be in the field to get the supervision hours also. I actually don't even want to open my own practice, it takes money and you have to have a ton of insurance. It's very risky also, you almost have to have a second job to support yourself until your practice takes off. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweetcheripie Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 You have to have a liscense (LPC) and be credentialed through an insurance agency in order to do that. I can't actually even get a job at a private counseling firm without a liscensure because they can't bill for me. I am an NCC (nationally certified counselor) but all that does is qualify me to get my LPC. You need so much supervision hours (equivilant to 2 years) and I have about 9 more months to go. You have to be in the field to get the supervision hours also. I actually don't even want to open my own practice, it takes money and you have to have a ton of insurance. It's very risky also, you almost have to have a second job to support yourself until your practice takes off. Ok gotcha. How about going back to school for your PhD? So many people that are having a horrible time getting jobs are going back to school. In your case, it would cover the time frame, give you more experience and make you more marketable. You have experience as a cashier and you could work that while going back to school. I know its not your plan but maybe something to think about? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 Ok gotcha. How about going back to school for your PhD? So many people that are having a horrible time getting jobs are going back to school. In your case, it would cover the time frame, give you more experience and make you more marketable. You have experience as a cashier and you could work that while going back to school. I know its not your plan but maybe something to think about? Yeah, I thought about that and checked into it. Most of the Phd programs in our area are about 4 years and are very expensive. I am lucky enough to not have any loans for both my bachelors and masters and I don't want to put myself in any debt. Fiance is in debt with school and car loans so adding to it would probably effect us very greatly. I enjoy being a masters level counselor, I just need to get another job! I actually may have even more trouble, as they are hiring less for psychologist positions because nobody can afford to pay them. I don't want a private practice so really a phd wouldn't do much for me... Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 You have a Master degree???? How long do you have to go to University to get a Master in the US... Not sure if it's the same as in Canada. Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 How long do you have to go to University to get a Master in the US... Not sure if it's the same as in Canada. It depends on the exact degree; some Masters are 40-units (two years) and some are 60-units (three years). Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 You have a Master degree???? How long do you have to go to University to get a Master in the US... Not sure if it's the same as in Canada. Yeah, I have a Masters degree. It really depends on how many credits the program is and how many classes you take at one time (if you go full time or part time). I went full time, my program was pretty long (60 credits). It depends on what you get your Masters in I think. I got done in 2 1/2 years because I wanted to get a job right away. Those who already had a full time job generally went part time so it took them longer. So I guess the answer is, it depends... Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 My-my.. your Master degree is shorter than a College diploma here.. (social work in college here is 3 years full time).. is very far from being considered a Master's degree.. A Master degree here.. (like my daughter) is 6 years university full time.. + she had to go to Philippines 6 months (research) for her thesis.. Definitely not the same.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 My-my.. your Master degree is shorter than a College diploma here.. (social work in college here is 3 years full time).. is very far from being considered a Master's degree.. A Master degree here.. (like my daughter) is 6 years university full time.. + she had to go to Philippines 6 months (research) for her thesis.. Definitely not the same.. Wow. I did have to go to school for 4 1/2 years for my Bachelors degree, those programs are always longer then a Masters program. But yeah, 6 years for a Masters degree is a long time! Link to post Share on other sites
Trimmer Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Let's be clear here: To say a Masters Degree in the US is "a two-year program" leaves unspoken the implicit assumption that you have already earned a Bachelor's degree. So the most common sequence in the US is: Bachelors degree = 4 years at university (sometimes more, seldom less) Masters degree = Bachelors plus approx 2 years MORE (for a total "at university" of approx. 6 years) So that sounds very close to what Lizzie is saying, if when she says "A Master degree here... is 6 years university full time", she is including the entire time spent at university... Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Thats what I was going to say Trimmer. In my field, the Bachelors degree is 5 years, and the Masters is an additional 3 years, so 8 years in total. (I didn't do a Masters). I think most countries universities follow roughly similar formats. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) Thats what I was going to say Trimmer. In my field, the Bachelors degree is 5 years, and the Masters is an additional 3 years, so 8 years in total. (I didn't do a Masters). I think most countries universities follow roughly similar formats. Yeah, true. Anyway, putting thread back on topic. I like the suggestion that Carrie had, I'm just a little worried that it may sound unbelievable. This is just so hard because I feel that nobody is going to give me a chance and I will never get back in the field. I'm so frustrated. I'm just going to take the chance of interviewing without xxxxx on my resume. Like I said I don't really have much credit, as I don't have a credit card or any kind of loans. I just feel like I will have a better chance at a job. I wish this hadn't been my first job... Edited December 14, 2009 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
e.clipse Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 hi LB! i'm sorry to hear you are still having difficulties finding a job to your liking. perhaps it doesn't offer much comfort, but understand that, economically-speaking, times are difficult at present. people, in general, without a job are finding it very hard to find a new one (that is not retail, and even those can be hard right now), so please have patience. in direct response to your question: yes, of course people who get fired are hired somewhere else. how soon after they have been terminated most likely depends on their attitude and willingness to learn from past mistakes, so as to not repeat them. just imagine, if everyone who got fired never got hired again somewhere else...well...come on. it might make is a little more difficult, yes, but not necessarily if your attitude and willingness (aside from academic/professional references) are in the right place. that said, please re-read the subsequent post, as it is the best advice i have read here in a long time: LB, I'm sorry you had to deal with that. But you know what? It's not so bad! You didn't lose the job because you were a bad counselor or couldn't learn. You likely lost it because you made a dumb error (while doing something most of us on LS are or have been guilty of). If you're ever really pressed for a reason why you were fired from that job the truth isn't all that bad! You can tell an interviewer "Honestly, I made an error in surfing the internet on my downtime, which caused my computer to get a virus. I lost my boss's trust, and no matter how hard I worked to regain it and to show him I was a dedicated employee I couldn't fix the work relationship. It's definitely something I will never do again." I would never pass a great candidate up over something like this and I'm sure most others wouldn't either. And if it makes you feel better, one day at work I was googling hair styles because I was going to get a hair cut that evening. I was hopping around to random sites and suddenly a huge porn ad popped up on my screen. My entire screen was covered by butt sex and I couldn't close the thing! Link to post Share on other sites
Mary3 Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 BIG NO-NO!!!! Never, never, never say personality conflict. Because, as far as the hiring person is concerned, YOU were the one fired so you were the one causing the problems. This is what I have heard also. Never tell the prospective employer that you had a personality conflict with your boss..... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 This is what I have heard also. Never tell the prospective employer that you had a personality conflict with your boss..... Yeah, I learned my lesson on that one. I tend to try to avoid saying anything about relationships with supervisors/bosses. That just looks like I start fights or something. Granted they didn't like me there, but really I never started anything with any of the management, they did that all on their own. I could try the uniform suggestion, this is just really hard because I don't know the in detailed reason for being fired so I am having trouble explaining it to employers. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 "Honestly, I made an error in surfing the internet on my downtime, which caused my computer to get a virus. I lost my boss's trust, and no matter how hard I worked..." Wow, what a brilliant idea. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share Posted December 14, 2009 "Honestly, I made an error in surfing the internet on my downtime, which caused my computer to get a virus. I lost my boss's trust, and no matter how hard I worked..." Wow, what a brilliant idea. I'm just concerned that employers will see that as a liability. I have however noticed that a lot of social service agencies do not even give their employees computer access... I suppose I could try it, nothing else has worked! Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I'm just concerned that employers will see that as a liability. I have however noticed that a lot of social service agencies do not even give their employees computer access... I suppose I could try it, nothing else has worked! LB, to me you sound like you've been born yesterday. Just say that you quit your job to finish your research in brain waves or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 15, 2009 Author Share Posted December 15, 2009 LB, to me you sound like you've been born yesterday. Just say that you quit your job to finish your research in brain waves or something. Ah come on, was that really neccessary? Sheesh. I'm just worried with good reason. Nobody has hired me and I am getting paranoid honestly. Making fun of me doesn't help me at all. Link to post Share on other sites
curiousnycgirl Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 LB you have gotten some very good advice here, so I am not going ot repeat - from this post or from earlier posts. Howver you stated on thing that is incorrect so I will address that - yes a potential employer can determine that you had another job. And NOT they do not do it from old credit applications - those are confidential, not the fact that you applied for credit but the content is not public. They simply ask for a copy of your W2 - it's all in there. I'm not saying they all ask for it - but many do - so why risk it. Don't lie on your job application - if found out that will far more to hurt your future coareer than having been terminated. Link to post Share on other sites
CarrieT Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Yeah, true. Anyway, putting thread back on topic. I like the suggestion that Carrie had, I'm just a little worried that it may sound unbelievable. This is just so hard because I feel that nobody is going to give me a chance and I will never get back in the field. I'm so frustrated. I'm just going to take the chance of interviewing without xxxxx on my resume. Like I said I don't really have much credit, as I don't have a credit card or any kind of loans. I just feel like I will have a better chance at a job. I wish this hadn't been my first job... As others have suggested, leaving that particular job off a résumé could and would potentially raise bigger red flags if they are seriously considering you and it showed up later (remember that background check thing). Many of us have suggested that leaving it off a résumeé is a mistake and you are far better served learning how to explain what happened. Link to post Share on other sites
curiousnycgirl Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'm just worried with good reason. Nobody has hired me and I am getting paranoid honestly. Making fun of me doesn't help me at all. You know I said this before and you basically told me I didn't know what I was talking about - but I'll risk saying it again. You are trying to find a job in a very down economy - it's not going to happen quickly or easily. Every job you apply has G-d only knows how many applicants, most of whom are more qualified than you are (not your fault, just reality). At this point they are willing to earn less money as long as they are earning. So who would you hire? Someone straight out of school for XYZ salary, or someone with several years of experience for the same XYZ salary? The data is out there - these are the facts. Studies show that 7 years after the last down economhy people who had been laid off are STILL not earning as much as they were before the lay off. LB you need to stop take some of the really good advice you've gotten here, stop changing your tactics and stories, and just keep plugging. Oh and you need to thank G-d that you are not carrying a huge debt load AND you have a safety net. I know you are frustrated but you are so much better off than so many people, I think you need a little perspective. Link to post Share on other sites
TwinkletOes26 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Lb dont let people here and in general get you down. Yes places will hire someone who had been fired before. If this wasnt true then a LOT of people would never get another job again. The economy sucks and you are competiting with people who may have more years of experience and maybe higher degrees. Companies are taking this time to get what they consider "the best" talent they can find knowing that now people are willing to take anything. Oh another suggestion try like a walmart or target vision center. The hours arent that bad,and you dont have to deal with AS MANY rude customers as in retail. Ive applied at a few and been told that in JAN they will really need people bc their college age help will be going back to school for spring semester. Try there...dont give up LB. Link to post Share on other sites
Ariadne Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Ah come on, was that really neccessary? Sheesh. I'm just worried with good reason. Nobody has hired me and I am getting paranoid honestly. Making fun of me doesn't help me at all. I wasn't making fun of you. You are listening to people who tell you to go to an interview and say that you've been fired. That's the worst advice I've ever heard. Link to post Share on other sites
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