Hiring someone who has been fired?

[norajane]

I remember that a trainer came to work one time from another clinic and was talking to me. My supervisor came up and said jokingly "don't even think about convincing her to leave, she is our's for good." I was also told that they hoped I had a long career there.

 

You should contact that trainer and tell her you're looking for a new job. She may know of somewhere hiring, and since she heard your boss's comments, she will have formed a favorable opinion of your work.

[norajane]

I lost a lot of weight so my dress pants became too big for me and looked longer on me. I couldn't afford to go buy all new pants. My supervisor mentioned that my pants were long so I went to get them all hemmed. He noticed and commented that he was glad I did. Is that what you mean?

 

I honestly don't understand how they could have been so long that your boss would consider it a problem to mention, yet you were still able to walk in them. That sounds really, really bizarre.

 

I'm having such a hard time picturing that conversation. "LB, your pants are long." Blink. Blink. Whaaat?

[Art_Critic]

You have admitted to being rude and condesending. Does that make you a bad lawyer? Do you project those faults into the court room or when working with clients?

 

Good point LB...

 

There are also threads on here that if read and taken out of context or just in the context of the thread itself would show that she should change lines of work and maybe she would be better suited for a different type of job...

 

I personally think that the advice of the posters telling you that you should change professions are really just projecting

[JamesM]

Again, we forget...here at LS is a place where we can all come for advice and feedback. This is the place where we can be emotionally needy, insecure, frightened, and angry.

 

Here is where we can appear desperate and feel hopeless. Here is where we can simply let out those emotions that we dare not show in real life.

 

So, again....we base our analysis on LB from her posts which are exactly that....her opening up on LS. For most of us, this replaces that friend or colleague to whom we can confide.

 

Example time...Bil Clinton couldn't control his libido, yet this man was put in control of a very powerful country. This man lied to us and his wife about one part of his life, yet didn't we (most of us) believe him when he spoke about everything else?

 

Perhaps (as I have done) LB simply reveals her inner being and emotions about her job and personal life here on LS. Yet it is quite possible that if we were to meet her in real life, we would meet a different person. I think so.

 

Example again...personal one....my wife is a very capable RN as reported by her patients and supervisors. I have no doubt. Yet I also know that when it comes to diagnosing what causes her problems, she has a very difficult time. In many cases over the years, I have been the one who has steered her in a direction that brought a remedy. And even though she is a nurse and has worked ER, surgical, and pediatrics, she calls ER and talks with a nurse there when her own child is sick. She is not too arrogant to think that she may have the answer.

 

So...I can say again that LB may be a completely different person in her career than she is here at LS.

 

Perhaps a suggestion for her is to talk with a professional who specializes in job placement. He or she could help Laurie determine what needs to be done or changed to find the right job.

[Lauriebell82]

I honestly don't understand how they could have been so long that your boss would consider it a problem to mention, yet you were still able to walk in them. That sounds really, really bizarre.

 

I'm having such a hard time picturing that conversation. "LB, your pants are long." Blink. Blink. Whaaat?

 

They didn't notice them until AFTER I had put the virus on the computer. Coincidence? Plus, they didn't get real long until I really started to lose weight, like around May when I was put on probation.

 

I could walk in them and you could see my shoes, they just dragged on the floor a little bit. It wouldn't be something someone would notice unless they were REALLY taking a very close look. I think they began to look for little things like that to put me back on probation.

[Star Gazer]

I don't understand your point? Those faults don't take away from my ability to sit down and counsel someone. You have admitted to being rude and condesending. Does that make you a bad lawyer? Do you project those faults into the court room or when working with clients?

 

1. Comparing the two of us is like comparing apples and hand-grenades. Our personalities are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

2. I have never admitted to being "rude and condescending," now would I as I do not believe I am a rude and condescending person. I realize YOU think I am, and others may occasionally perceive me that way as well. I will admit, however, that I do have my b*tchy moments...and those moments HAVE served me well when representing my clients.

 

3. That said, whether you think the personality characteristics I have are favorable or ill-desired, the fact is that I DO have the requisite personality characteristics to succeed in my chosen profession. Litigators are ball-busters. Sometimes they are snarky. They love to win, they are competitive. But they also have thick skin, can see both sides to every argument, and are well-reasoned.

 

Each profression has it's own requirements. My point simply is that I do not believe you don't have the requisite personality characteristics to be a good counselor.

 

Now, please stop making this about me, and focus on yourself and what YOU can do to find the right career path.

[Star Gazer]

They didn't notice them until AFTER I had put the virus on the computer.

 

Everything went bad after you got the virus on the computer.

 

I'm telling you LB... I bet GOOD MONEY they found your posts here. No boss, no matter how awesome they thought you were, is going to want you to stick around if they read the things you were saying about them.

[Lauriebell82]

You should contact that trainer and tell her you're looking for a new job. She may know of somewhere hiring, and since she heard your boss's comments, she will have formed a favorable opinion of your work.

 

Yeah, I actually thought of that! I applied to the place where he works and actually put a call into him but he never returned my call. I can try to make another follow up phone call about it.

[Star Gazer]

Litigators do make typos though...several of them. Ugh.

[Star Gazer]

I can try...

 

Do or do not. There is no "try."

 

[Lizzie60]

They didn't notice them until AFTER I had put the virus on the computer. Coincidence? Plus, they didn't get real long until I really started to lose weight, like around May when I was put on probation.

 

I could walk in them and you could see my shoes, they just dragged on the floor a little bit. It wouldn't be something someone would notice unless they were REALLY taking a very close look. I think they began to look for little things like that to put me back on probation.

 

That was the second time on probation?????

[amerikajin]

I'm not sure where to begin, whether defending myself is in order or not. My work loved me until I put the virus on my computer, then it all went down the drain. My supervisor would say what an excellent counselor I was and what an asset I was to the company. I remember that a trainer came to work one time from another clinic and was talking to me. My supervisor came up and said jokingly "don't even think about convincing her to leave, she is our's for good." I was also told that they hoped I had a long career there. Actually I was told that when I was put on probation! They sent me a lot of mixed messages, I suppose that's why I am having such a hard time with this termination.

 

Your situation sounds somewhat similar to the time that I was actually let go from a job (the only time it has ever happened to date). I, too, felt like they didn't exactly treat me fairly, and I still feel that way. My situation was a little different because it was *mostly* for financial reasons that I was released. I say mostly because I think part of the problem was that they expected me to do things in the first three months that I likely would not have achieved realistically until later in the year. I wasn't able to meet those objectives, so rather than saying "We'll work with you" they just said we can't afford this position anymore and we can't invest anymore time and money.

 

Even so, I can still look back and acknowledge that I made mistakes that didn't exactly help my situation. I should have told them from the beginning that I might need more time to meet their goals, and I should have explained why. I could have asked for more clarity in terms of the job description. I assumed that things were going reasonably well and that they would tell me if they weren't happy with my performance. If it ever came up for discussion (it hasn't fortunately), I would acknowledge these facts. I might not catalog each one, but I would summarize it somehow. I would have no problem admitting that I've made mistakes, that I haven't always been an outstanding employee in every situation.

 

The irony is getting let go from that job led to an entirely new career and a new direction in my life, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. In some ways, it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. I think life is full of challenges and things that get thrown in our way. Sometimes, people fail. It's not failure but how we handle failure that really matters, I think.

[Art_Critic]

1. Comparing the two of us is like comparing apples and hand-grenades. Our personalities are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

So are your professions.. .

 

She wasn't comparing you to an apples to apples scenario as you are not a drug and alcohol counselor.

 

She was simply pointing out that if you apply the same logic you are using when deciding her career choice to yourself and your own career choice then you have the same issue when reading your posts or threads here on LS..

 

This isn't meant to be a poke at you SG, but it is impossible from posts on LS to be guiding anybody.. LB or you in a career choice.

[Lauriebell82]

2. I have never admitted to being "rude and condescending," now would I as I do not believe I am a rude and condescending person. I realize YOU think I am, and others may occasionally perceive me that way as well. I will admit, however, that I do have my b*tchy moments...and those moments HAVE served me well when representing my clients.

 

Actually in a PM you did tell me this. I remember. That doesn't matter though. But see how you got defense when you felt you were being attacked? It's easy to do.

 

Each profression has it's own requirements. My point simply is that I do not believe you don't have the requisite personality characteristics to be a good counselor.

 

Now, please stop making this about me, and focus on yourself and what YOU can do to find the right career path.

 

Hmm, these are some requisite characters of a good counselor:

http://askanexpertblog.com/characteristics-of-a-good-counselor

 

I think I fit the bill, don't you?

 

I was proving a point, but getting defensive you brought yourself into this. But you are right, this is about me.

[amerikajin]

Yeah, I actually thought of that! I applied to the place where he works and actually put a call into him but he never returned my call. I can try to make another follow up phone call about it.

 

You mean you were posting on Loveshack at work? You revealed enough about yourself while on your office computer so that they now know who you are?

 

Oooh boy.

[Lizzie60]

The irony is getting let go from that job led to an entirely new career and a new direction in my life, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. In some ways, it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. I think life is full of challenges and things that get thrown in our way. Sometimes, people fail. It's not failure but how we handle failure that really matters, I think.

 

That was my point as well.. sometimes when you find the right job.. it's priceless...

 

Instead of trying to stay in a field that doesn't suit you.. just to prove to 'I don't know who' that it's the right choice.. you should concentrate on finding the right career..

[Star Gazer]

The irony is getting let go from that job led to an entirely new career and a new direction in my life, and I wouldn't trade it for anything. In some ways, it's one of the best things that ever happened to me. I think life is full of challenges and things that get thrown in our way. Sometimes, people fail. It's not failure but how we handle failure that really matters, I think.

 

Such a great post.

[Lauriebell82]

That was the second time on probation?????

 

When you first start there you are automatically put on a 6 month probation period. Most counselors actually get theirs extended. My 6 month evaluation was glowing and I got off probation. Then after the virus they started to dig for dirt on me so they could put me BACK on probation at my year evaluation so they could fire me at the end.

[sb129]

Yes, and she was posting on LS negative things ABOUT work.

 

I too believe this may have been LBs downfall.

[mem11363]

I missed that bit on the virus - totally agree with Star Gazer. The virus brings IT, they find this activity - the boss quietly goes ballistic - and then they make it personal. And make no mistake - "did not perform up to our standards" is defcon 5 in the white collar world. Somebody there went for blood and I think this is the most logical explanation.

 

PS: If everyone in the US had their work pc's closely scrutinized like yours was - there would be a mass firing tomorrow....

 

LB - why on probation first time - why on probation second time?

 

 

Everything went bad after you got the virus on the computer.

 

I'm telling you LB... I bet GOOD MONEY they found your posts here. No boss, no matter how awesome they thought you were, is going to want you to stick around if they read the things you were saying about them.

Edited December 17, 2009 by mem11363

[Star Gazer]

Hmm, these are some requisite characters of a good counselor:

http://askanexpertblog.com/characteristics-of-a-good-counselor

 

I think I fit the bill, don't you?

 

That's clearly not an exhaustive list, it's just the very beginning.

 

Counselors must also be:

Patient

Professional

Trust-worthy

Even-tempered

Calm

Cool

Collected

Confident

Easy going

Relaxed

Introspective

 

I was proving a point, but getting defensive you brought yourself into this. But you are right, this is about me.

 

I am not defensive, LB. You are. I didn't not bring myself or my profession into this. You did.

[Lizzie60]

When you first start there you are automatically put on a 6 month probation period. Most counselors actually get theirs extended. My 6 month evaluation was glowing and I got off probation. Then after the virus they started to dig for dirt on me so they could put me BACK on probation at my year evaluation so they could fire me at the end.

 

 

Ah OK.. yes I was too.. (6 months) I think it's a common practise..

 

Anyway... I post from work all the time.. our bosses know we surf the Internet.. they do the same..

 

2 weeks ago.. same thing happened to me.. a virus.. arrghh.. we have a very thick firewall.. but still... IT was called.. etc.. they came.. fixed my computer.. nothing was said..

 

My boss and I can't stand each other.. we literally hate each other.. can they fire me.. I don't think so... My job is done and I know I'm good at it... they can't find anything.. first they would have to 'warn' me about anything they don,t like..

 

I think there is more to this..than what you're posting.. just a thought.

[JamesM]

amerikajin, good post, and it reflects a time in my life, too. A similar situation happened tome, and it led me to where i am today. While I can look back and not know why I was "transferred" (except that an owner's son did get my position...odd, huh? ), I do know now how in hindsight I didn't make myself indispensable enough to keep my position more secure.

 

Looking back, I am glad I did not.

 

However, that does not mean I wish to go through that experience again, nor do I think that if I had continued on and grew into the position better, I would not have enjoyed it. I know I would have.

 

I did not have to try to explain that "transfer" to a future employer, because saying that family replaced me would not have won any awards with interviewers either.

 

Nor do I think they would have believed me.

 

So here...LB, this will be about how you portray yourself to the interviewers and spin your past. Personally, if I were you, then I would seek out someone who counsels job seekers. He or she should have a good idea of how you could proceed.

[Star Gazer]

You mean you were posting on Loveshack at work? You revealed enough about yourself while on your office computer so that they now know who you are?

 

Oooh boy.

 

Yes, and she was posting on LS negative things ABOUT work.

 

I too believe this may have been LBs downfall.

 

I missed that bit on the virus - totally agree with Star Gazer. The virus brings IT, they find this activity - the boss quietly goes ballistic - and then they make it personal.

 

Yes... We've told her this a thousand times already. There's an entire thread about it.

[Lizzie60]

Methink the trouble with LB is that she doesn't take criticism AT ALL... she gets defensive.. instead of trying to see the 'constructiveness' of it..