Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, and she was posting on LS negative things ABOUT work. I too believe this may have been LBs downfall. They told us we were allowed to go to chatrooms and look at anything on the internet as long as it wasn't innapropriate (like porn). Some people had AIM on their work computers. They didn't care. So whatever I posted on loveshack prior to the virus they didn't care about. They told us. The negative things I posted were after the virus on my cell phone. They took the internet off our work computers... Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 They told us we were allowed to go to chatrooms and look at anything on the internet as long as it wasn't innapropriate (like porn). Some people had AIM on their work computers. They didn't care. So whatever I posted on loveshack prior to the virus they didn't care about. They told us. The negative things I posted were after the virus on my cell phone. They took the internet off our work computers... ACK! LB why don't you get this? It doesn't matter that you were given permission to use the internet. Most people are. But they can track what you're doing, soooooooooooooo easily. I'm sure they don't care if you're reading popsugar.com or posting on a relationship forum, in general, when it doesn't affect your ability to do your work. But when you post about work-related issues, it's something entirely different! And it doesn't matter WHEN or HOW you posted. You did post from your work computer, and your work knows this. You can easily be identified. Redfathom I bet has the same issues. She posts here about her jerk bosses, and she's not treated well... Right now, our IT guy sees me posting here. (Hi Josh! ) He knows my screen name. At any time, he can come look at what I'm posting, no matter when or where I post from. Link to post Share on other sites
sb129 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Didn't you call your supervisor an A-hole on here LB? Link to post Share on other sites
H1N1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 They told us we were allowed to go to chatrooms and look at anything on the internet as long as it wasn't innapropriate (like porn). Some people had AIM on their work computers. They didn't care. So whatever I posted on loveshack prior to the virus they didn't care about. They told us. The negative things I posted were after the virus on my cell phone. They took the internet off our work computers... But maybe you posted enough information that they began forming a private opinion about you. Perhaps some of the information you revealed to them about myriad other aspects of your personal life "filled in the empty blanks" in their minds. Moreover, whereas they might have kept an open mind about keeping you on board, you started posting highly negative information about them while you were on probation. I can't imagine any of this being the least bit helpful to your cause. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Oh, okay I get what you are saying. They could have looked up my screen name even though I posted from another computer. It's possible. I never thought of that. Knowing them though they would have fired me on the spot if they were aware I was doing that. I could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 But maybe you posted enough information that they began forming a private opinion about you. Perhaps some of the information you revealed to them about myriad other aspects of your personal life "filled in the empty blanks" in their minds. Moreover, whereas they might have kept an open mind about keeping you on board, you started posting highly negative information about them while you were on probation. I can't imagine any of this being the least bit helpful to your cause. Agreed on all points... But I do wonder who you are with the new handle? Oh, okay I get what you are saying. They could have looked up my screen name even though I posted from another computer. It's possible. I never thought of that. But that's what I was telling you before! Like 10 times! Knowing them though they would have fired me on the spot if they were aware I was doing that. I could be wrong though. Most employers want a performance-based reason to terminate, it's just easier. So, they had to build the case. Link to post Share on other sites
H1N1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Oh, okay I get what you are saying. They could have looked up my screen name even though I posted from another computer. It's possible. I never thought of that. Knowing them though they would have fired me on the spot if they were aware I was doing that. I could be wrong though. Exactly. Once you revealed who you were, they had all the information they needed. They just needed a "reason" to get rid of you. The majority of people who are released from their jobs are let go in this way. Outright terminating someone with the snap of a finger could lead to a lawsuit that might take time and money to litigate. Their insurance company tells their HR department that in order to be covered, they have to implement a policy of progressive disciplinary action, in which they document a series of problems before finally letting someone go. If they're lucky, though, the personnel manager will have forced you to quit, thus saving them unemployment payments. Link to post Share on other sites
H1N1 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Agreed on all points... But I do wonder who you are with the new handle? Not a troll - promise! A familiar face, just a different name. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 But that's what I was telling you before! Like 10 times! I guess I just didn't put two and two together. Most employers want a performance-based reason to terminate, it's just easier. So, they had to build the case. Yeah, true. That's why they began trying to nitpick on everything I did so they could put me on probation. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 BJ? Maybe...? Link to post Share on other sites
JamesM Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Not a troll - promise! A familiar face, just a different name. Why? LB, move on from this thread. You have gained many perspectives. It is entirely possible that something other than performance triggered your termination. But you are left to pick up the pieces. As a counselor, you know how important it is to seek professional help at certain times in life. Here for you is one of them. Job counselors can guide you better than we can. Link to post Share on other sites
hotgurl Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 ACK! LB why don't you get this? It doesn't matter that you were given permission to use the internet. Most people are. But they can track what you're doing, soooooooooooooo easily. I'm sure they don't care if you're reading popsugar.com or posting on a relationship forum, in general, when it doesn't affect your ability to do your work. But when you post about work-related issues, it's something entirely different! And it doesn't matter WHEN or HOW you posted. You did post from your work computer, and your work knows this. You can easily be identified. Redfathom I bet has the same issues. She posts here about her jerk bosses, and she's not treated well... Right now, our IT guy sees me posting here. (Hi Josh! ) He knows my screen name. At any time, he can come look at what I'm posting, no matter when or where I post from. I agree it is not a smart pratice to post about work in any public forums period. No facebook, myspace etc... not only is it public as user names are easy to trace eps when you have posted on a work computer. What you post can actually be used against you legally as well. I feel LB got fired for many reasons the main two were lack of professionalism and attitude. I also agree they wanted LB out and put LB on probation to cover their butts legally LB I would as carhill suggested volunteer to make networking connections. Also try to find a mentor in your field. this will not only show thay while you are in this transition time you are actively trying to improve your skills and career but also provide you with more networking opportunities. Perhaps you can contact one of your old professors. Also it may take a long time to find work. my cousin got layed of last NOV 2008 and he still hasn't found work Link to post Share on other sites
threebyfate Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 LB, move on from this thread. You have gained many perspectives. It is entirely possible that something other than performance triggered your termination. But you are left to pick up the pieces. As a counselor, you know how important it is to seek professional help at certain times in life. Here for you is one of them. Job counselors can guide you better than we can. Great advice James! Link to post Share on other sites
Art_Critic Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Great advice James! I agree too.... Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The holiday season is a difficult time for many with substance abuse issues. Some hit rock bottom and show up at shelters, charitable organizations, churches and the like. Great time to give something to the community and build those bridges to positive employment in your field of choice, psychology and counseling. If you mean what you say about wanting it, you'll find a way. Ask your job counselor what avenues might be open to you. They will know. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I don't know why so many posters take the side of the employer. The employer sounds like a bunch of total nobjockeys. This isn't that uncommon. I would suggest if you can creatively hide the truth and get away with it do that. Every sales team in corporate America does that, it's part of their job description! Whatever it takes to get a job, there are no morals involved here. Employers are on the whole blinkered and you need a job so play them at their own game. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Lauriebell82 Posted December 18, 2009 Author Share Posted December 18, 2009 I don't know why so many posters take the side of the employer. The employer sounds like a bunch of total nobjockeys. This isn't that uncommon. I would suggest if you can creatively hide the truth and get away with it do that. Every sales team in corporate America does that, it's part of their job description! Whatever it takes to get a job, there are no morals involved here. Employers are on the whole blinkered and you need a job so play them at their own game. It's really common for my old employer to fire people. In the year and 3 months I worked there 10 people were fired (not because of budget cuts) and 5 quit. My coworker who has worked there for 5 years told me there have been about 60 counselors who have come and gone (being fired and quit). It just tells you something about the agency and how they do business. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 It's really common for my old employer to fire people. In the year and 3 months I worked there 10 people were fired (not because of budget cuts) and 5 quit. My coworker who has worked there for 5 years told me there have been about 60 counselors who have come and gone (being fired and quit). It just tells you something about the agency and how they do business. 10 people?! Sounds like a few managers have a god complex. There you go then, you're not the common factor in this. Link to post Share on other sites
TwinkletOes26 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 It's really common for my old employer to fire people. In the year and 3 months I worked there 10 people were fired (not because of budget cuts) and 5 quit. My coworker who has worked there for 5 years told me there have been about 60 counselors who have come and gone (being fired and quit). It just tells you something about the agency and how they do business. BINGO there ya go lb you are not the only victim then. So dont feel like its you its obviously an issue with in this agency. This just goes to show that sometimes its not the employee but the employer. Link to post Share on other sites
Blackfrost Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 ACK! LB why don't you get this? It doesn't matter that you were given permission to use the internet. Most people are. But they can track what you're doing, soooooooooooooo easily. I'm sure they don't care if you're reading popsugar.com or posting on a relationship forum, in general, when it doesn't affect your ability to do your work. But when you post about work-related issues, it's something entirely different! And it doesn't matter WHEN or HOW you posted. You did post from your work computer, and your work knows this. You can easily be identified. Redfathom I bet has the same issues. She posts here about her jerk bosses, and she's not treated well... Right now, our IT guy sees me posting here. (Hi Josh! ) He knows my screen name. At any time, he can come look at what I'm posting, no matter when or where I post from. Let me re-inforce this post with a little more insight. At the last company I worked for (one of the top softeware developers in the world) they had all kinds of special software for management to use, to see what was on your screen, what your internat viewing and posting history was for each day, and whether or not you were actually working. I needed to utilize some of this technology at one point to verify a certain employees productivity, and the things you can do these days, should leave no doubt in your mind, that you can be tracked, screengrabbed, all your email can be read, and IM's are logged, with as much frequency as the manager who is using IT staff, and some simple software, wants. You are on the companies network. Nothing is unseeable for them, if they want to see it. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 As someone who used to manage over 60 people, I fail to see how the information that someone had posted that their manager was an ahole anonymously on an internet forum would have ever found it's way to me. And if it did I would have raised some serious issues about information flow and what people analysing this stuff were doing that was productive. Those systems are supposed to be there to prevent serious issues like leaking company information, denigrating the company, downloading porn, or other illegal activites. Just because you can find out information above and beyond it doesn't mean there's an excuse for being incompetent enough to either need or want to. Let alone using it to turn a non-issue into a sackable offence. Nice to know that a top software developer has incompetent enough managers to have to view internet history to find out how productive their employee's are. It's not really a surprise to find out theres an issue with productivity though Link to post Share on other sites
Pink Cupcakes Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I don't think it was Loveshack postings that lead to LB's being let go. However, even if it was the reason. At her next job, she is not going to go on the internet again for nonwork purposes, she knows that now. Chin up, LB! Link to post Share on other sites
Blackfrost Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 As someone who used to manage over 60 people, I fail to see how the information that someone had posted that their manager was an ahole anonymously on an internet forum would have ever found it's way to me. And if it did I would have raised some serious issues about information flow and what people analysing this stuff were doing that was productive. Those systems are supposed to be there to prevent serious issues like leaking company information, denigrating the company, downloading porn, or other illegal activites. Just because you can find out information above and beyond it doesn't mean there's an excuse for being incompetent enough to either need or want to. Let alone using it to turn a non-issue into a sackable offence. Nice to know that a top software developer has incompetent enough managers to have to view internet history to find out how productive their employee's are. It's not really a surprise to find out theres an issue with productivity though You can be as sarcastic as you want about it, but ultimately, when I a multi billion dollar company wants to build a bullet proof case with the intention of terminating you: They will cover their bases, to prevent you having any court case. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudderless Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 You can be as sarcastic as you want about it, but ultimately, when I a multi billion dollar company wants to build a bullet proof case with the intention of terminating you: They will cover their bases, to prevent you having any court case. Well tell us something we don't know This is why I thank my stars every day I'm in a position to choose who I want to work for if I want to work at all. It's not the point I'm disputing at all. There are many incompetent employers that think paying you gives them a right to play god with your life and will abuse services like the one you described and any other to build a case to fire you based on nothing more than a personality clash. They treat their employee's like trash, and sadly, it's become commonplace to use this type of case building as standard procedure for getting rid of employee's who aren't "yes men". Competent employers will do everything to resolve issues and as a very last resort ask you to leave in an amicable manner. Falling foul of idiocy like LB has done here isn't anything to do with technology, turning up 2 minutes late, or what she posts on an internet forum, it's everything to do with the morons that fired her, so telling us that you can do whizz bang things to snoop on her in order to fire her when there's zillions of other ways to do the same thing isn't really much use to her at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Star Gazer Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) I fail to see how the information that someone had posted that their manager was an ahole anonymously on an internet forum would have ever found it's way to me. And if it did I would have raised some serious issues about information flow and what people analysing this stuff were doing that was productive. That's what people (who get fired for posting negative comments about their bosses online) believe... I personally know of 5 (yes, five) instances where this was true. Edited December 18, 2009 by a LoveShack.org Moderator Link to post Share on other sites
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