betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Don't most of us eventually grow and learn as we gain life experience? Some learn it earlier than others. I KNOW there are good women who have yet to be married who would choose a man based on the proper qualities. But fact remains, say if he didn't want to start with a pre-made family already, and wante dto begin from scratch with her. She would have refused him, and she only "Settled" for him because she had kids. She was forced to. I promise you, had she not had kids, she would have gone for another guy like her first husband, and did this only out of necessity, not out of desire. Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hahahah that's about it. I don't know about this study...Let's shift this over to the male version. Let's think about this comparison, would a guy honestly do a double take at hottie in a frumpy Walmart uniform, over a good looking woman dressed in a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels? Have any of you even seen how goofy a McDonalds uniform looks? Have you seen how any chain store uniform looks? Is it really about perceived wealth or is just about the fact that someone who is well put together and in style is simply more appealing to look at? it's rare for "hotties" to work retail becaues they don't have to, but when they do, they get hit on, ALL the time. When I was in high school, I worked at a CVS, and one of the hot girls in my class worked there with me, and virtually every guy would hit on her, and she's wearing the store uniform. I've worked at other places, and they get hit on. Today, the rare circumstance I see an attractive woman working as a cashier, I see her getting asked out. The only time I was ever asked out being a cashier was by a guy....... Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Beta, don't ever underestimate the pragmatism of a woman. We have our male image of them, the emotional and flighty beings we think them to be, but there's a core of cold, hard, calculating pragmatism running the show. I see it every day, even in women I love. Unless you're up to dealing with that, better off being single and alone. It can be a ballbuster. Link to post Share on other sites
sumdude Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hahahah that's about it. I don't know about this study...Let's shift this over to the male version. Let's think about this comparison, would a guy honestly do a double take at hottie in a frumpy Walmart uniform, over a good looking woman dressed in a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels? Have any of you even seen how goofy a McDonalds uniform looks? Have you seen how any chain store uniform looks? Is it really about perceived wealth or is just about the fact that someone who is well put together and in style is simply more appealing to look at? I don't know about that. I've seen more than one woman working at McDonald's who looked pretty good. LOL then again most men just imagine the woman naked anyway..lol. But seriously, of course everyone looks better dressed to the nines. But the shoe thing? So many of the ladies are all about shoes. Their shoes, other women's shoes (competition) and men's shoes. Just look in a woman's closet. I have heard more than once that many women make judgments of a man based on his shoes. Guys take notice! Buy the right shoes! Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 But fact remains, say if he didn't want to start with a pre-made family already, and wante dto begin from scratch with her. She would have refused him, and she only "Settled" for him because she had kids. She was forced to. I promise you, had she not had kids, she would have gone for another guy like her first husband, and did this only out of necessity, not out of desire. Is she the only woman on the planet now? Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Beta, don't ever underestimate the pragmatism of a woman. We have our male image of them, the emotional and flighty beings we think them to be, but there's a core of cold, hard, calculating pragmatism running the show. I see it every day, even in women I love. Unless you're up to dealing with that, better off being single and alone. It can be a ballbuster. I have a formula for whether it's worth it, and this is do I dislike drama more than I like sex? If so, I stop trying. Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I don't know about that. I've seen more than one woman working at McDonald's who looked pretty good. LOL then again most men just imagine the woman naked anyway..lol. But seriously, of course everyone looks better dressed to the nines. But the shoe thing? So many of the ladies are all about shoes. Their shoes, other women's shoes (competition) and men's shoes. Just look in a woman's closet. I have heard more than once that many women make judgments of a man based on his shoes. Guys take notice! Buy the right shoes! Women will actually reject a guy if his shoes are out of style, have scoffs, or is wearing the wrong color belt with them. no man would dismiss a woman for such shallow of reasons (at least if she's obese, that's a problem with her physically, not something she's wearing).. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have a formula for whether it's worth it, and this is do I dislike drama more than I like sex? If so, I stop trying. So it's all about sex? If THAT is what you're focusing on, no - you will NEVER have a decent gal. Link to post Share on other sites
phineas Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 But she never would have given him a chance for her first marriage. He also had to raise someone elses kids, and struggle to do things to compensate for her past poor decisions. Is that fair? I understand he willingly married her, but given she would probably had never given him the time of day when she was unmarried.... Maybe he wanted to raise her kids? Maybe to him giving two children a real father to look up to wasn't so much a chore but an enjoyment. Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 So it's all about sex? If THAT is what you're focusing on, no - you will NEVER have a decent gal. I think for just about every guy, that would have to apply. Dealing with women is a complete pain. you have to deal with ever changing emotions, erratic behaviors, not knowing what she wants. The put up with it for sex, a very powerful drive. I'm sure just about every guy prefers the companionship of his friends, but he doesn't get to have sex with his friends. Women are very high maintenance, but the reward is sex, but the burden is dealing with all of the issues and the drama, and expenses. Link to post Share on other sites
Rhythmic Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hahahah that's about it. I don't know about this study...Let's shift this over to the male version. Let's think about this comparison, would a guy honestly do a double take at hottie in a frumpy Walmart uniform, over a good looking woman dressed in a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels? Have any of you even seen how goofy a McDonalds uniform looks? Have you seen how any chain store uniform looks? Is it really about perceived wealth or is just about the fact that someone who is well put together and in style is simply more appealing to look at? I've worked at multiple fastfood places and at each one attractive female coworkers got hit on while working every so often. I was at a walmart and did indeed mentally drool a bit at a really good looking girl who was working the register in the electronics section. I've also seen plenty of women dressed up in brand items and high heels and I noticed them pretty quick as well. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I think for just about every guy, that would have to apply. Dealing with women is a complete pain. you have to deal with ever changing emotions, erratic behaviors, not knowing what she wants. The put up with it for sex, a very powerful drive. I'm sure just about every guy prefers the companionship of his friends, but he doesn't get to have sex with his friends. Women are very high maintenance, but the reward is sex, but the burden is dealing with all of the issues and the drama, and expenses. And you wonder why you're having a hard time finding a woman... Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 And you wonder why you're having a hard time finding a woman... yes, I'm the first guy that ever lived that realized that women are high maintenance, and you have to deal with a lot of crap when you are involved with them. Must have only happened to me, and nobody else...... Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 yes, I'm the first guy that ever lived that realized that women are high maintenance, and you have to deal with a lot of crap when you are involved with them. Must have only happened to me, and nobody else...... No. All the OTHER guys on LS who say the same things can't get a date either. So no - it's not JUST you. Link to post Share on other sites
betamanlet Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 No. All the OTHER guys on LS who say the same things can't get a date either. So no - it's not JUST you. Maybe they feel that sex isn't worth it? I know my friends who are married are very sick and tired of what they have to deal with from their wives. But apparently they still think the benefits outweigh the burdens... Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I know my friends who are married are very sick and tired of what they have to deal with from their wives. But apparently they still think the benefits outweigh the burdens... Some of my male friends are very happy in their marriages, some are ambivalent and some are unhappy. Sounds pretty normal My test is, looking at your (in general, as I know you're not married) wife, would you date her? Go with that. Seriously. IMO, it's a much healthier place. Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Batemanlet, I have never seen a male model working at burger joint or Walmart. A male MODEL? No. That's not the point of the question, it is a hypothetical scenario. Link to post Share on other sites
calizaggy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hahahah that's about it. I don't know about this study...Let's shift this over to the male version. Let's think about this comparison, would a guy honestly do a double take at hottie in a frumpy Walmart uniform, over a good looking woman dressed in a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels? Have any of you even seen how goofy a McDonalds uniform looks? Have you seen how any chain store uniform looks? Is it really about perceived wealth or is just about the fact that someone who is well put together and in style is simply more appealing to look at? Well, you completely changed the study.. The study included a male model, regular joe(picture a regular joe), and a pudgy older guy in a polo outift. The study did not include a model and another hot sexy guy that was dressed up. So, would men choose the female model in mcd's uniform over the Plain Jane that looks professional, and pudgy older woman that looks rich? Definitely. Link to post Share on other sites
silic0ntoad Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Batemanlet, I have never seen a male model working at burger joint or Walmart. A male MODEL? No. That's not the point of the question, it is a hypothetical scenario. Is this thread still going on? I mean, beating a dead horse leaves you with.... a dead horse. Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I've worked at multiple fastfood places and at each one attractive female coworkers got hit on while working every so often. I was at a walmart and did indeed mentally drool a bit at a really good looking girl who was working the register in the electronics section. I've also seen plenty of women dressed up in brand items and high heels and I noticed them pretty quick as well. Again, that is not the question. Have you worked with someone at Walmart whom you had a crush on? The question is if you have line of women to choose from, would you really notice the girl in the Walmart or Donught store uniform over the girl in the cute little Chanel suit, heels and french stockings. How many men would really notice the Walmart girl first? Link to post Share on other sites
InspiredbyYou Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Well, you completely changed the study.. The study included a male model, regular joe(picture a regular joe), and a pudgy older guy in a polo outift. The study did not include a model and another hot sexy guy that was dressed up. So, would men choose the female model in mcd's uniform over the Plain Jane that looks professional, and pudgy older woman that looks rich? Definitely. Oh wait the girl in the suit is a plian jane? Oh well then yeah maybe guys will first look at the walmart girl if she is hotter. Sure that's a no brainer. Looks are important to women but not as important as the overall appearance which includes status. But a suit vs a McDonalds outfit on a guy also for women subconsciously signifies intelligence, which we all know women really want in a man. Not saying a Mcdonalds kid is less intelligence just saying what the outfit represents. Link to post Share on other sites
calizaggy Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I think men are thinking "Which one would I like to have sex with", and the women are thinking "Which one could I have the best life with".. But the question was just "Which do you find the most attractive" So for women, I feel they judge attractiveness on more factors than just looks. Pure, basic facial and body features are not as important as the whole package. Link to post Share on other sites
Stockalone Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Let's think about this comparison, would a guy honestly do a double take at hottie in a frumpy Walmart uniform, over a good looking woman dressed in a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels? Have any of you even seen how goofy a McDonalds uniform looks? Have you seen how any chain store uniform looks? Is it really about perceived wealth or is just about the fact that someone who is well put together and in style is simply more appealing to look at? I don't know about the Walmart uniform. But a Chanel little suit and french stockings and heels is not something that really gets my attention either. I am not a leg man. And the whole outfit seems too flawless for me, I usualls assume those women are high-maintenance. Can I pick the girl next door, wearing flat shoes, jeans and a blouse or a sweater? Link to post Share on other sites
meerkat stew Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 the girl in the cute little Chanel suit, heels and french stockings. How many men would really notice the Walmart girl first? I'll take the Chanel girl every time, but if her shoes cost more than $200, gimme some o that Walmart hotty! Link to post Share on other sites
tami-chan Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What's wrong with having a $200.00( or more) pair of shoes if the woman can afford it? Link to post Share on other sites
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