dnm Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 well, it's your life. I just think it's a shame that you are breaking up with him because he has already expressed that he has strong feelings for you/loves you. Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 well, it's your life. I just think it's a shame that you are breaking up with him because he has already expressed that he has strong feelings for you/loves you. I was thinking the same earlier. But when I see it from her POV, I can understand a bit. I do feel sorry for her guy, especially because of the ^ reasons. Link to post Share on other sites
christian6 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 So, I would say that maybe you are right, it is not shallow, it is a matter of preference for young, immature boys who haven't been with enough real women to realise that physical 'perfection' rarely exists and you'll learn that soon enough. oh ffs, it's probably for this reason (of being called stupid names) that most the guys here on LS aren't posting in this thread. find me one man who finds sagging attractive. I never said women have to be perfect, but certain things are just unattractive. The OP wants honest answers, I'm sure, so why should anyone lie just to make her feel better. It is better that she gets honest answers, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
hoping2heal Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 why are you calling sagging breasts ugly and bad when they are perfectly normal? She did say she didn't have a problem with her breasts anyway, so it's obviously because of what this guy would think. I never called them ugly. I said bad boobs in reference to HER mindset. SHE thinks they are bad boobs. Link to post Share on other sites
thegreatmoose Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 oh ffs, it's probably for this reason (of being called stupid names) that most the guys here on LS aren't posting in this thread. find me one man who finds sagging attractive. I never said women have to be perfect, but certain things are just unattractive. The OP wants honest answers, I'm sure, so why should anyone lie just to make her feel better. It is better that she gets honest answers, anyway. You have no argument, so you make an outrageous claim most of the guys on LS don't post here because they will be called names. You then claim the rest are lying to make her feel better, which is completely false. Link to post Share on other sites
christian6 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm not saying the rest are lying, all I'm saying is that I won't be surprised if a lot of guys on ls don't post in this thread because they'd be called names. Link to post Share on other sites
thegreatmoose Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 I'm not saying the rest are lying, all I'm saying is that I won't be surprised if a lot of guys on ls don't post in this thread because they'd be called names. You don't know that. It is just as possible that many who disagree with you don't post in this thread. I can't believe more than a tiny percent of the population would date a woman and then break up with her becauses her breasts sag. Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Ella had you just got the boob job back when you posted your first thread you wouldn't have needed this thread. Since you seem unwilling to work on your insecurities, and also seem unwilling to correct the physical issue, my advice is to leave men alone from this point forward and accept the fact that you cannot handle a mature relationship. Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) Ella had you just got the boob job back when you posted your first thread you wouldn't have needed this thread. Since you seem unwilling to work on your insecurities, and also seem unwilling to correct the physical issue, my advice is to leave men alone from this point forward and accept the fact that you cannot handle a mature relationship. she clearly stated that she doesn't want a boob job. Just because you (or any other guy) doesn't 'approve' of sagging breasts doesn't mean you try to push her into getting one. As for correcting the physical issue, I guess you don't know that sagging is pretty normal and common even at her age(20), unless you think hollywood represents what normal women should look like. Edited December 27, 2009 by sugar_and_spice Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 (edited) she clearly stated that she doesn't want a boob job. Just because you (or any other guy) doesn't 'approve' of sagging breasts doesn't mean you try to push her into getting one. As for correcting the physical issue, I guess you don't know that sagging is pretty normal and common, unless you think hollywood represents what normal women should look like. Actually, she has never stated ANYTHING clearly, in any of her threads. She can post what she wants or doesn't want, whatever...I can still post whatever advice I want. Sagging breasts don't bother me at all(leg man:)), although I will admit that any woman I was with who had the insecurities regarding her breats that ella does, would bother me. At some point I'd be like, you know what, you're right, your tits do sag too much. Anyway like I said she is not capable of a mature ralationship, as evidenced by her last few posts. I mean, why should random men have to suffer because she can't handle the way her breasts look? I think she should leave men alone and if one hits on her she should reject him until if or when she can learn to deal with a relationship like an adult. Edited December 27, 2009 by Die Hard Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Actually, she has never stated ANYTHING clearly, in any of her threads. hmm I'm pretty sure she stated that she doesn't want surgery. Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 hmm I'm pretty sure she stated that she doesn't want surgery. Yeah because she wants to breastfeed kids that she'll never have because she can't allow men to see her breasts. That might be clear to you but it makes no sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yeah because she wants to breastfeed kids that she'll never have because she can't allow men to see her breasts. That might be clear to you but it makes no sense to me. ?? there are several other valid reasons for not wanting to undergo breast lifts/implants/reductions. I'm pretty sure some other people mentioned them in the thread, but i can't be bothered looking through the whole thread to find them. Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 ?? there are several other valid reasons for not wanting to undergo breast lifts/implants/reductions. I'm pretty sure some other people mentioned them in the thread, but i can't be bothered looking through the whole thread to find them. I thought you were worried about what SHE said she wanted? Pick an argument already... Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I thought you were worried about what SHE said she wanted? Pick an argument already... no, not picking an argument. just saying that there could be other reasons along with the one you mentioned. in any case, she plans to dump her guy, so all that become irrelevant now. Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 no, not picking an argument. just saying that there could be other reasons along with the one you mentioned. in any case, she plans to dump her guy, so all that become irrelevant now. Yeah I know there could be all kinds of reasons. I'm telling you what her stated reason IS. Btw, Your posts may have been irrelavant but mine were not as they were made with the knowledge that she has stated she is going to dump the guy over her breast insecurities. Like I said BEFORE, she should also leave all other men alone since she is only going to treat them infairly due to her own issues. Can you imagine if this was a dude whining about his dick size? And he was going to dump a chick because he felt his dick was too small? It's not like his dick is going to grow and it's not like her breasts are going to quit sagging. The only solution beyond a boob job is to grow up, or stay out of relationships.(Imo of course) Link to post Share on other sites
Phateless Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) I want to, but I can't help it.I know it just won't work out. Obviously I told him I wasn't annoyed and all. Today I'm going to make sure we don't end up on our own, because I don't want him to try anything as it gets a bit too much trying to push him away all the time. And you think he's not attracted to you?! Ella, with all due respect, you are an idiot. We've all tried to help you but you refuse to accept it. Good luck out there. EDIT - three things. 1. It's going exactly the same as your last relationship because YOU ARE SETTING IT UP THE SAME WAY. Think about it... if you behave the same way as last time, of course the same things will happen. Different methods yield different results. 2. To be brutally honest, big boobs really turn me on and sagging is part of big boobs. I would not be turned off at all by your boobs, in fact I would be very turned on. 3. Your insecurity DOES turn me off. I would break up with you over how insecure and hot/cold you are behaving, NOT because of your boobs. If I were the guy you are dating, I would be thinking that you are psycho or not into me. I know it's out of insecurity, but you have to just get over it and quit playing games. Do SOMETHING differently than you always have! Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Edited December 28, 2009 by Phateless Link to post Share on other sites
Author ella23 Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) as of now, when he hasn't slept with me, yes, he's attracted to me. I didn't say he wasn't. As for the last relationship, it was my ex who was after me to get a lift done,completely hated my breasts,& broke up. I didn't do anything there, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. as for looking disinterested/like a psycho to this guy, that's probably true . Edited December 28, 2009 by ella23 Link to post Share on other sites
sugar_and_spice Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 (edited) as for looking disinterested/like a psycho to this guy, that's probably true . when he keeps asking you whether you're annoyed with him or something is wrong, obviously he's aware that something is not going right.` Can you imagine if this was a dude whining about his dick size? And he was going to dump a chick because he felt his dick was too small? It's not like his dick is going to grow and it's not like her breasts are going to quit sagging. Except that guys are a lot more critical about women's bodies than vice versa. Edited December 28, 2009 by sugar_and_spice Link to post Share on other sites
xpaperxcutx Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 After 20 pages ( which I'm not going to read) I would've thought the problem be resolved by now. Ella these are your options ( which I'm pretty certain most members of this forum has been more than helpful in advising): - accept the fact you have sagging breasts and have sex with him - get surgery ( despite the fact that you've said you're against it's your only option. Sagging breasts are like stretch marks, you either live with it or eradicate it completely) - break up with him From the way things are going, it seems you're looking for one excuse or another to completely break things off. If that's the case be fair with the guy and let him go find someone who can be honest with him. From the sounds of him, he neither sounds petty nor superficial, yet you're trying to paint him in a negative light that he would rejecet you if your breasts are not up to standards. Personally, I have small breasts. They're A cup. I chalk it up to genetics until I make enough money to get a breast augmentation. At least I know what I want. Link to post Share on other sites
dnm Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 I was thinking the same earlier. But when I see it from her POV, I can understand a bit. I do feel sorry for her guy, especially because of the ^ reasons. Yes, but she's made up her mind to end it (well, almost), and is obviously neither happy nor comfortable with being in a relationship right now. Link to post Share on other sites
Die Hard Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Except that guys are a lot more critical about women's bodies than vice versa. This has nothing to do with men being critical of women's bodies and everything to do with the original poster's insecurities. Link to post Share on other sites
dnm Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 This has nothing to do with men being critical of women's bodies and everything to do with the original poster's insecurities. her insecurity is certainly a consequence of that. Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 ...as for looking disinterested/like a psycho to this guy, that's probably true . I think men over use and abuse the word "psycho" to describe any highly emotional situation they might have to deal with that might reach outside their very limited ability to handle emotions on a scale that women quite honestly can to a bigger proportion. This has nothing to do with men being critical of women's bodies and everything to do with the original poster's insecurities. It has a pretty big portion/chunk to do with men being critical of women's bodies actually. Considering the swarm of commentary in this thread about just that, men commenting on women's bodies and their approvel or dissaprovel of them. I can understand why the OP doesn't want to make herself vunerable to that kind of scrutiney. Link to post Share on other sites
thatguy85 Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 This thread has to be a joke. Theres no way that Ella can really be serious. Link to post Share on other sites
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