too embarrassed to sleep with him

[Die Hard]

Seeing some of the posts here, I sometimes don't feel surprised that the OP is reluctant to show her boobs to her boyfriend. Possibly ex bf, because I have serious doubts that she would have told him.

Like I've said before, any woman that is afraid to bare her breasts because of anything written here has way more issues to deal with than her breasts.

 

If you're so weak as to take anything said here and apply it to the way you see your body, maybe one should just not get involved with anyone at all.

 

I would imagine that many LS chicks have read parts of this thread and still pulled their tits out for their man wihtout any hesitation.

[dnm]

Like I've said before, any woman that is afraid to bare her breasts because of anything written here has way more issues to deal with than her breasts.

 

If you're so weak as to take anything said here and apply it to the way you see your body, maybe one should just not get involved with anyone at all.

 

I would imagine that many LS chicks have read parts of this thread and still pulled their tits out for their man wihtout any hesitation.

 

Oh no, I don't mean that she's reluctant BECAUSE of the responses here. I mean that she's probably reluctant because a lot of guys think that way.

I doubt anybody would be that influenced by what someone says on the net.

[Die Hard]

Oh no, I don't mean that she's reluctant BECAUSE of the responses here. I mean that she's probably reluctant because a lot of guys think that way.

I doubt anybody would be that influenced by what someone says on the net.

It's the same thing.

 

Again, it's not men's fault that ella has an obessesive compulsive issue with her breasts. One guy being an ass does not a mental condition make.

 

And for the record I retract my suggestion for surgery. She'll never be happy with them. One will be bigger than the other, one of the nipples will be a little higher than the other...and on...and on...and on....

[dnm]

It's the same thing.

 

Again, it's not men's fault that ella has an obessesive compulsive issue with her breasts. One guy being an ass does not a mental condition make.

 

I don't think it's anybody's fault, but I do think it is one of the factors. If you hear constantly from men that saggy boobs are unattractive, ugly and that they won't date a woman with saggy boobs, it will affect you at some level.

However, I do agree that it shouldn't have got to the point that she pre-emptively dumps someone out of fear. I don't know if she actually did so, but she probably did.

 

I wouldn't suggest surgery either, but for entirely different reasons.

Edited January 2, 2010 by dnm

[Die Hard]

I don't think it's anybody's fault, but I do think it is one of the factors. If you hear constantly from men that saggy boobs are unattractive, ugly and that they won't date a woman with saggy boobs, it will affect you at some level.

However, I do agree that it shouldn't have got to the point that she pre-emptively dumps someone out of fear. I don't know if she actually did so, but she probably did.

 

I wouldn't suggest surgery either, but for entirely different reasons.

Where are you hearing CONSTANTLY that men won't date women with sagging breasts?

 

What is it you're listening to, or what men? Can you be more specific?

[dnm]

I have heard many men (including male friends) say things to this effect over the years in real life, I have seen and heard of a women being dumped for this reason. The media is also to blame. Then you often get some guys saying that it's abnormal to have saggy breasts when you're young, which certainly is not true.

And yes, online, but this 'data' is not always reliable now, is it.

[Die Hard]

I have heard many men (including male friends) say things to this effect over the years in real life, I have seen and heard of a women being dumped for this reason. The media is also to blame. Then you often get some guys saying that it's abnormal to have saggy breasts when you're young, which certainly is not true.

And yes, online, but this 'data' is not always reliable now, is it.

And you think it makes any sense to listen to this stuff and apply it to how one sees one's own body?

 

If women were not so vain none of this would even be an issue. It's my opinion that women place a far greater importance on breasts than do men. Men are just an easy target for their insecurities, mostly brought on all by themselves.

 

Life is unfair. Not all women can have perky breasts naturally. It's a woman's job to give a **** about more things in life than her tits and to define herself by more than how close to the ground her tits are.

[dnm]

And you think it makes any sense to listen to this stuff and apply it to how one sees one's own body?

If women were not so vain none of this would even be an issue. It's my opinion that women place a far greater importance on breasts than do men. Men are just an easy target for their insecurities, mostly brought on all by themselves.

Life is unfair. Not all women can have perky breasts naturally. It's a woman's job to give a **** about more things in life than her tits and to define herself by more than how close to the ground her tits are.

I did not imply anything.

What do you mean? What does women's vanity have to do with how men judge women or their expectations?

As for the last part of your post, how do you know the OP doesn't care about other things in life? We can't really know that.

[Die Hard]

I did not imply anything.

What do you mean? What does women's vanity have to do with how men judge women or their expectations?

As for the last part of your post, how do you know the OP doesn't care about other things in life? We can't really know that.

I never said you implied anything. I stated it was just my opinion.

 

I'll tell you what vanity has to do with it(imo): it's vain to sit around and worry about a body part all the time. Or are you worried that having sagging breasts will inhibit a man's sexual pleasure? Women just want to"feel better about themselves". That's vanity. If you girls were more interested in having perky breasts so us men could have more fun with them, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

Women simply want to show their breasts to the man and have him say "boy those are really nice". Validation. Vanity.

Edited January 2, 2010 by Die Hard

[dnm]

I never said you implied anything. I stated it was just my opinion.

 

I'll tell you what vanity has to do with it(imo): it's vain to sit around and worry about a body part all the time. Or are you worried that by having the sagging breasts will inhibat a man's sexual pleasure? Women just want to"feel better about themselves". That's vanity. If you girls were more interested in having perky breasts so us men could have more fun with them, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

Women simply want to show their breasts to the man and have him say "boy those are really nice". Validation. Vanity.

 

Everyone wants to look attractive to his or her partner. This is true for men, too.

The issue here is that the OP feels guys wouldn't be attracted to her, or worse still, would reject her because her breasts sag. I think that her fear is understandable, and I also feel that guys are harsh in judging women's bodies to this extent.

Yes, she seeks validation, nothing wrong with that, imo.

Edited January 2, 2010 by dnm

[Peitho]

Not true. I would stay with a woman if her boobs started sagging after breastfeeding or when she gets older. But I don't think I want to be with someone who has sagging boobs from the start.

 

Why would you stay with her? For reasons that have nothing to do with her looks?

 

You said you don’t find saggy breasts attractive.

So you would stay with a woman AND not be attracted to her.

 

From that woman’s point of view – would you rather be with someone who finds you attractive with all your ‘imperfections’ or someone who would ‘stay’ with you always thinking you lack something in the looks department?

[Die Hard]

Everyone wants to look attractive to his or her partner. This is true for men, too.

The issue here is that the OP feels guys wouldn't be attracted to her, or worse still, would reject her because her breasts sag. I think that her fear is understandable, and I also feel that guys are harsh in judging women's bodies to this extent.

Yes, she seeks validation, nothing wrong with that, imo.

Again, the problem is you women are the ones who place so much importance on breast height, not men.

 

If you chicks would quit being so vain and have the attitude of "these are my tits, take them or leave them", you'd find the vast majority of men willing to take them.

 

I hate to break this to you, but men have to accept sagging breasts at some point, it's a fact of life. If a majority of men wouldn't date or be involved with women who's breasts sagged, there would be a whole lot more women over 40 who are single. And a whole lot more men in general, single.

 

The vast majority of women who's breasts sag, are in relationships with MEN and the men manage an orgasm!

[sugar_and_spice]

I never said you implied anything. I stated it was just my opinion.

 

I'll tell you what vanity has to do with it(imo): it's vain to sit around and worry about a body part all the time. Or are you worried that having sagging breasts will inhibit a man's sexual pleasure? Women just want to"feel better about themselves". That's vanity. If you girls were more interested in having perky breasts so us men could have more fun with them, I'd be more sympathetic.

 

Women simply want to show their breasts to the man and have him say "boy those are really nice". Validation. Vanity.

Have more fun with perky breasts? It's more about aesthetics really. That perky boobs are considered to be more aesthetic than sagging ones by men.

If guys didn't put so much emphasis on this, I think women wouldn't be so 'vain'.

 

Anyway, all this isn't really going to help the OP, so better get on topic again.

Edited January 2, 2010 by sugar_and_spice

[Die Hard]

Have more fun with perky breasts?

Yes, then at least I could see all this obsession as selfless and I would be more sympathetic seeing a woman desiring nicer breasts if it was all about pleasing her man.

 

 

It's more about aesthetics really. That perky boobs are considered to be more aesthetic than sagging ones by men.

Nice try. Don't think so. A woman is just as capable at looking at a pair of breasts and determining if they are pleasing to the eye. Not just men. Everyone knows a nice pair of tits when they see them, male or female.

 

If guys didn't put so much emphasis on looks, I think women wouldn't be so 'vain'.

Yeah, we're to blame for your vanity now too.

 

 

Anyway, all this isn't really going to help the OP, so better get on topic again.

I can't speak for you but I'm completely on topic.

[sugar_and_spice]

Everyone knows a nice pair of tits when they see them, male or female.

.

 

It's mostly the guys who say that sagging boobs are ugly. I don't think this is always true. Like I said, sagging breasts aren't always like ugly granny boobs.

Edited January 2, 2010 by sugar_and_spice

[Die Hard]

It's the guys who say that sagging boobs are ugly. I don't think this is true. Like I said, sagging breasts aren't always like ugly granny boobs.

So all men must have the same wants and desires and preferences in breasts so as to accommodate you insecure and vain women?

 

We're not allowed to have a preference.....just because you delicate type women can't handle it, what with your weak self esteem?

[sugar_and_spice]

So all men must have the same wants and desires and preferences in breasts so as to accommodate you insecure and vain women?

 

We're not allowed to have a preference.....just because you delicate type women can't handle it, what with your weak self esteem?

 

who said that?

i'm saying that men think saggy=ugly.

obviously the op will feel insecure.

[hoping2heal]

there are several men who are turned off by sagging and say they won't date women with sagging breasts. that is why she is insecure.

how can anyone really blame her?

 

Do a lot of men say they are turned off by sagging? Yes. Does that mean they don't date the women with sagging? Uh no, not by a long shot. The number of women with saggy breasts compared to perky ones is FAR larger. Not to mention the perky ones are vanishing by the minute as they are having children, aging, other things that cause sagging breasts. You don't see 70 percent of the female population single, never having good sex, and never marrying do you? Uh, no.

 

When you love someone, both men and women accept the flaws about the other sex which can be physical,emotional, mental etc.

 

OP, I agree you are wasting his time at this point. If you've decided it is better to be insecure and have hangups about your body and let someone who could love you slip away? Then yes, definately wasting his time. If you want to feel this way about yourself what can anyone do? But please, people have feelings- do not get involved with anyone else you are going to end up hurting senselessly because you don't have it in you to be honest and open in your relationships at this point in your life.

[Die Hard]

who said that?

i'm saying that men think saggy=ugly.

obviously the op will feel insecure.

You did, and you just said it again.

 

Why would she "obviously" feel insecure? Because some men think or have an opinion on breasts that doesn't meet your expectations?

 

Maybe in the next life women will be able to mandate that men only have one opinion on sagging breasts so as to protect the delicate nature of women's securities, or lack thereof.

[hoping2heal]

who said that?

i'm saying that men think saggy=ugly.

obviously the op will feel insecure.

 

Um, have you ever seen a cute ballsack in your life? Me either, I don't not love my partner for that.

[Die Hard]

Do a lot of men say they are turned off by sagging? Yes. Does that mean they don't date the women with sagging? Uh no, not by a long shot. The number of women with saggy breasts compared to perky ones is FAR larger. Not to mention the perky ones are vanishing by the minute as they are having children, aging, other things that cause sagging breasts. You don't see 70 percent of the female population single, never having good sex, and never marrying do you? Uh, no.

 

When you love someone, both men and women accept the flaws about the other sex which can be physical,emotional, mental etc.

 

OP, I agree you are wasting his time at this point. If you've decided it is better to be insecure and have hangups about your body and let someone who could love you slip away? Then yes, definately wasting his time. If you want to feel this way about yourself what can anyone do? But please, people have feelings- do not get involved with anyone else you are going to end up hurting senselessly because you don't have it in you to be honest and open in your relationships at this point in your life.

See, it's posts like this that make me realize that some of the women in this thread are a distinct minority and the majority actually have a healthy view of themselves and their body, men, and life in general.

 

Very nice post and I agree 100%.

[Die Hard]

Um, have you ever seen a cute ballsack in your life? Me either, I don't not love my partner for that.

I agree I haven't either

[dnm]

Yes, many guys say sagging is a turn off. Some of them say they won't or don't date women with sagging breasts, others do.

It really is as simple as that.

As for the OP, yes, she is more insecure than is warranted.

[sugar_and_spice]

Um, have you ever seen a cute ballsack in your life? Me either, I don't not love my partner for that.

 

I don't think sagging by itself is ugly really, especially when it comes to younger women, who otherwise have decent/nice looking breasts.

Edited January 2, 2010 by sugar_and_spice

[Die Hard]

I don't think sagging by itself is ugly really, especially when it comes to younger women, who otherwise have decent breasts.

oh, and just exactly how do you define "decent breasts/nice looking"?

 

That sounded judgmental to me. Not all women can have "decent breasts/nice looking", you know, and to say so might affect someone's self esteem.