too embarrassed to sleep with him

[sugar_and_spice]

Anyhow,Sagging boobs don't necessarily have to be unattractive always, they don't always look like ugly granny boobs.

 

this is what I mean.

Now if

1. you think that is judgemental

2. still don't get the point

3. actually believe that saggy boobs and ballsacks are similar issues

34. can't be bothered actually addressing the issue or just want to say something sarcastic

 

 

then too bad.

 

Anyway, unless it is of any help to the OP, I won't bother arguing, because very few of the posts over the last few pages are of any help.

Edited January 2, 2010 by sugar_and_spice

[Die Hard]

this is what I mean.

Now if

1. you think that is judgemental

2. still don't get the point

3. actually believe that saggy boobs and ballsacks are similar issues

34. can't be bothered actually addressing the issue or just want to say something sarcastic

 

 

then too bad.

 

Anyway, unless it is of any help to the OP, I won't bother arguing, because very few of the posts over the last few pages can be termed helpful.

Yeah you're making a judgment on what a nice looking breast is or isn't. Same as men do.

 

sucks , huh?

[sugar_and_spice]

Yeah your making a judgment on what a nice looking breast is or isn't. Same as men do.

 

sucks , huh?

 

yeah very funny, because you didn't get the point anyway.

[Die Hard]

yeah very funny, because you didn't get the point anyway.

You have yet to make a point beyond men are the ones responsible for the way women feel about their breasts/bodies, rather than owning it as your own issue.

 

Oh, and you also made a point that not all breasts are nice and decent. Your words. I agree with you on that one though since everyone has a preference, be them male or female.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

^^^I'm 20.

 

 

What 20yo woman's breasts sag enough to be/seem significant by anybody's standards??

 

If they happen to be large, then they're supposed to (respond to gravity).

 

 

If they're not large, I cannot fathom them "sagging" enough to matter to anyone other than you.

[sugar_and_spice]

You have yet to make a point beyond men are the ones responsible for the way women feel about their breasts/bodies, rather than owning it as your own issue.

 

Oh, and you also made a point that not all breasts are nice and decent. Your words. I agree with you on that one though since everyone has a preference, be them male or female.

I never said everyone has nice breasts, first of all.

In my opinion, not all sagging ones are ugly, and not all perky ones look good.

however, 99% men will say sagging is always ugly.

 

also, women worry about breasts because they're worried about what guys will say.

[Peitho]

That's vanity. If you girls were more interested in having perky breasts so us men could have more fun with them, I'd be more sympathetic. Women simply want to show their breasts to the man and have him say "boy those are really nice". Validation. Vanity.

 

Man put value on perky breasts.

This is where it all starts.

 

How is wanting to have ‘perky breasts so men could have more fun with them’ good or positive in any way??

[Die Hard]

I never said everyone has nice breasts, first of all.

youre sounding more and more like a man with every post!

 

 

In my opinion, not all sagging ones are ugly, and not all perky ones look good.

be careful there, you might upset some woman with perky breasts reading this.

however, 99% men will say sagging is always ugly.

An exaggeration, but yes, people have opinions, just like you

 

also, women worry about breasts because they're worried about what guys will say.

You're only worried about what men will say beause you are vain and want an ego boost!

[ella23]

Don't take that too personally.

People are just frustrated because of your stubbornness regarding this issue.

 

yes I know and it's ok.

[sugar_and_spice]

youre sounding more and more like a man with every post!

 

 

be careful there, you might upset some woman with perky breasts reading this.

An exaggeration, but yes, people have opinions, just like you

 

You're only worried about what men will say beause you are vain and want an ego boost!

 

 

I love how you're completely twisting what I'm saying. You don't get the point anyway, so why bother?

You are just coming up with sarcastic stuff, thinking it sounds funny, so really, go ahead. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing over this, unless you can actually be serious .

[Die Hard]

Man put value on perky breasts.

This is where it all starts.

 

How is wanting to have ‘perky breasts so men could have more fun with them’ good or positive in any way??

Because then I would at least feel sorry for any woman seeking perky breasts simply to please a man(and I would blame the man, like her ex). That is selfless and I would feel bad for her for feeling like she had to do that. When the desire for "nicer" breasts is simply for her own self esteem and ego, well, that's fine too, but don't blame men for it.

[sugar_and_spice]

Because then I would at least feel sorry for any woman seeking perky breasts simply to please a man(and I would blame the man, like her ex). That is selfless and I would feel bad for her for feeling like she had to do that. When the desire for "nicer" breasts is simply for her own self esteem and ego, well, that's fine too, but don't blame men for it.

 

she obviously wants to have perky breasts to please this man.

[Die Hard]

I love how you're completely twisting what I'm saying. You don't get the point anyway, so why bother?

You are just coming up with sarcastic stuff, thinking it sounds funny, so really, go ahead. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing over this, unless you can actually be serious .

I don't know why you keep bothering? You can stop arguing any time you wish.

[Die Hard]

she obviously wants to have perky breasts to please this man.

But this man has made no issue with her breasts, has not even seen them as far as I'm aware. Soooo, that's her problem, not his. Well, except for the fact that she would rather hurt him instead of be a mature adult.

 

Why must this man suffer because she wants perkier breasts?

[ella23]

Ella - I want to apologize for being harsh with you earlier. We're all just frustrated at seeing you throw away a good relationship out of simple irrational fear. I get where you're coming from, I really do, but it's important to separate fear of something happening from knowing that it will.

 

How did it go?

 

Not too well.

I told him I needed to be on my own, because I have issues from the past relationship, and when I didn't want to go into details he was really angry and we had a huge fight.

He thought I was ending it because he did something, though I told him it had nothing to do with him and it was solely about my problems.

[dnm]

Not too well.

I told him I needed to be on my own, because I have issues from the past relationship, and when I didn't want to go into details he was really angry and we had a huge fight.

He thought I was ending it because he did something, though I told him it had nothing to do with him and it was solely about my problems.

 

what exactly did you tell him? or did you only say you don't want to be in a relationship because of your last one?

[ella23]

what exactly did you tell him? or did you only say you don't want to be in a relationship because of your last one?

No, I also told him that I had body image issues. He wanted me to elaborate but when I didn't, he thought that I was making excuses and not telling him the real reason.

I sort of regret doing this but it was the better thing to do, both for his sake and mine.

[hoping2heal]

this is what I mean.

Now if

1. you think that is judgemental

2. still don't get the point

3. actually believe that saggy boobs and ballsacks are similar issues

34. can't be bothered actually addressing the issue or just want to say something sarcastic

 

 

then too bad.

 

Anyway, unless it is of any help to the OP, I won't bother arguing, because very few of the posts over the last few pages are of any help.

 

Saggy breasts and ballsacks are similiar. So is loose skin, so spider veins, so is calloused feet. So is extra hair, so can be not "enough" hair. If you wanted to get technical sugar and spice? There are a lot of things men and women can both find unattractive about the human body; many of them natural things outside of control. Again; everyone has some body flaws.

 

I know women with saggy breasts, loose skin from weight loss, bad skin, thinning hair, some are even overweight- and they are all in a blissful, loving relationships. What's more? They ALL had these flaws when they met their partners/fiances/husbands. These are good men who are attractive, motivated, charismatic, caring. Yep, you guessed it! Despite those flaws the men in their lives loved them anyway and it never stopped them. I also speak for myself

 

There are some men who will never be interested in a woman with certain body flaws- there are men who will let some bad feet or sagging breasts stop them from dating a woman. So what? There are still PLENTY of good men who on the other hand, won't let flaws stop them and will accept those women's bodies regardless. They'll still find them sexy and beautiful and enjoy chemistry with them.

 

If you want to be hung up on men saying body flaws are ugly and gloom and doom, fine. No one will stop you and welcome to a self fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way.

[Peitho]

But this man has made no issue with her breasts, has not even seen them as far as I'm aware. Soooo, that's her problem, not his. Well, except for the fact that she would rather hurt him instead of be a mature adult.

 

Why must this man suffer because she wants perkier breasts?

Why would he suffer?

You think she should not suffer just because her ex wanted perkier breasts.

Why would he suffer than?

 

According to your own logic, this man should not suffer because he is a mature adult and can get over what one woman thinks and he should not suffer.

 

If you expect her to 'get over' what happened with her ex bf, why do you feel so so sorry for this guy. Both of them are victims of the situation they found themselves in.

 

She suffers because of her ex-bf's issues, he might suffer because of hers.

Life.

[sugar_and_spice]

Saggy breasts and ballsacks are similiar. So is loose skin, so spider veins, so is calloused feet. So is extra hair, so can be not "enough" hair. If you wanted to get technical sugar and spice? There are a lot of things men and women can both find unattractive about the human body; many of them natural things outside of control. Again; everyone has some body flaws.

If you want to be hung up on men saying body flaws are ugly and gloom and doom, fine. No one will stop you and welcome to a self fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way.

 

 

I don't think so, except about it being similar to having loose skin.

no, i'm not 'hung up' on saying that.

 

No, I also told him that I had body image issues. He wanted me to elaborate but when I didn't, he thought that I was making excuses and not telling him the real reason.

I sort of regret doing this but it was the better thing to do, both for his sake and mine.

you can only blame yourself now.

[Die Hard]

Why would he suffer?

You think she should not suffer just because her ex wanted perkier breasts.

Why would he suffer than?

 

According to your own logic, this man should not suffer because he is a mature adult and can get over what one woman thinks and he should not suffer.

 

If you expect her to 'get over' what happened with her ex bf, why do you feel so so sorry for this guy. Both of them are victims of the situation they found themselves in.

 

She suffers because of her ex-bf's issues, he might suffer because of hers.

Life.

 

Actually now that she has broken up with him I don't feel sorry for him. Like you say he'll get over it(assuming he's normal) and he isn't being strung along anymore. I think she did the right thing. Hopefully ella will get some help for this issue and get back out there.

 

I wish her well

[ella23]

Not really broken up, because when I told him I had issues and didn't want to have sex and all, he said he was willing to wait. It's more of a 'taking some time off' rather than complete break up.

He was pissed off but I guess he softened up somewhat because I sort of cried. I guess I'm not a very good liar.

 

you can only blame yourself now.

I only regret it because I'll have to tell him now, at some point. Edited January 2, 2010 by ella23

[boogieboy]

Not really broken up, because when I told him I had issues and didn't want to have sex and all, he said he was willing to wait. It's more of a 'taking some time off' rather than complete break up.

He was pissed off but I guess he softened up somewhat because I sort of cried. I guess I'm not a very good liar.

 

I only regret it because I'll have to tell him now, at some point.

 

Taking time off till when? You gonna make him wait 6 months until you decide you think you might be over your breast issues?

[ella23]

Taking time off till when? You gonna make him wait 6 months until you decide you think you might be over your breast issues?

 

No, I won't. I know that's unfair. I think I should tell him straight away actually, because if he's going to reject me then it better be before I get even more involved emotionally.

[ella23]

I'll be honest: yes, I personally won't want to be with a woman who has saggy breasts.

 

I suggest you tell him in advance, that way you can avoid being hurt should he find it unattractive.

 

I don't think I can realistically expect him to find them attractive, but I just hope he won't dump me over it. I'm just thinking of calling him and asking him to meet up so that I can talk about this, because it's causing me too much stress. Or would that look stupid?

Edited January 2, 2010 by ella23