Beyond Broken Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Hi guys. I havent posted here in a while. I have been getting over my psycho ex gf for sometime. (I still have some thoughts of her) but they are fading. Especially since I met this Angel online. She is wonderful, has a great personality, drop dead gorgeous, no kids, etc etc, everything I'm looking for in a woman. We have been talking via webcam for about 6 weeks now. 3-5 hours a day. It's crazy how much we have in common, and how much we share. It has come to the point where we have established that we are exclusive, we are not seeing other people. and we have used the "L" word quite often:love:. I am going to see her in about 3 weeks. I live in VA. She lives in L'viv Ukraine. She speaks 5 languages, has a bunch of money (Drives an 09 Lexus, lives in a big apartment, has a wonderful career. etc.) So, before you guys start with the russian wife scam thing. It's not like that at all. I would know by now, I am not dumb. We are very excited about seeing each other in January.! I would like some input as to anyone else who has done this, or any advice on how this could possibly work. She has stated that she would be willing to relocate. her family only consists of 2 brothers, who are grown up now. And it's very hard for her to come here due to getting a visa to the USA. So I am going there. I'm sure alot of questions will be answered when I go there for about 2 weeks. The only way I can get her here is through a fiance visa... So that's a bit scary, but life is short... Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 K-1 visa, K-3 visa or CR-1. I'm doing K-1 with my honey bunny. :love: Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 OMG.. you are brave my dear... How do you know she owns all that stuff... really... Methink you're in for the surprise of your life.. but I could be wrong.. I hope I am and everything goes well.. but I am extremely sceptic.. sorry it's my nature.. Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yeah, reading over it again I wonder...how do you know she has all of this stuff??? Oh, and if you DO decide to pursue a visa, you have to prove that you are financially able to support HER. Her money will mean nothing to the US Government in terms of if they will approve you or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Beyond Broken Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share Posted December 28, 2009 Well, I know she has all that stuff because I have seen it all. I have seen her place. She walks around with her laptop sometimes. She is genuine. And I will obviously see for sure when I get there... Believe me... I was very skeptic at first as well. But after you talk to someone face to face every night for over 6 weeks. You should know if they are fake or not... I really doubt she would invest this much time and money just to get to my money, which isnt very much. I mean her phone bill alone must be over $300 a month just in calls and texts... I did not know I needed to prove that I can support her... But I definetly can. I own a small construction Co. and make plenty of $$$ to support her. I've heard of a K-1 Visa. What is a K-3 and a cr-1? Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted December 28, 2009 Share Posted December 28, 2009 Those are visas in which you would get married first and then petition to bring her here. But unless you have plenty of evidence of a relationshi (pictures, plane ticket stubs, hotel reciepts) your chances of getting any visa is slim. I belong to a website called visajourney.com. Check it out. There's lots of useful info and people to help answer questions there. Since i'm doin the k-1 I don't know much about the other 2. Link to post Share on other sites
Pizzaman81 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I am always paranoid in these things. I mean, how do you do any background check on this girl? What if she comes here, gets your citizenship or whatever after marriage, then gets divorce and brings her real husband over to the States? Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 (edited) I am always paranoid in these things. I mean, how do you do any background check on this girl? What if she comes here, gets your citizenship or whatever after marriage, then gets divorce and brings her real husband over to the States? Not possible. Both would have to be free to marry and provide divorce decrees. The United States goes through a lengthy background check on the non-citizen. Mathew and I got held up about a week because he has security clearances in Canada for his job. They check everything out. They would certainly catch and deny a petition in which the non-citizen were still married. She then has to go through an interview at the consulate and they will decide if the relationship is real or not. If they sense anything fishy about it, no visa. And she wouldn't gain citizenship right away. In my case, we would get approved, get married and then file for adjustment of status. This would make him a Permanent Resident. He would then get his temporary green card. Years after that he would get his permanent green card, making him a citizen. Not to say that fraud doesn't happen, because it does. But if it were fraud he would only need to report her to USCIS. After that it is out of his hands. She can do nothing without him unless they were to get a divorce. I would suggest a background check before you do anything legally binding. She may check out free and clear, but it's always better safe than sorry. Also, until she is a U.S citizen she can't bring anyone over like that. Permanent residents don't have the same rights that citizens do when it comes to immigration. If they want to bring someone over it has to be done during the initial filing, and that can only be someone like a child or a parent who is dependent on her for their survival. It would be years before she could bring someone else over. Edited December 29, 2009 by Rollercoasterr Link to post Share on other sites
SuburbanOblivion Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I second the suggestion to check out Visa Journey. I am not registered there yet but have been reading there for over a year now ever since Paul and I started looking into the K-1. Those people really know their stuff, it's a fantastic resource. Link to post Share on other sites
frozensprouts Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 is there any way that you could possibly travel to her "hometown" and take a look at her home, maybe meet her family, etc. in person... if for no other reason that it would be nice to see "where she came from", and perhaps also to verify that what she is saying is true? Maybe take a few weeks to get to know each other "in person", not just for your sake, but for hers? I mean, you'd be asking her to come and stay with you, etc., don't you think she deserves chance to meet you in person first so she can make up her mind about such a big move with all the information she needs to make the decision... isn't that fair? If she is as well off as you say, perhaps she could pay half the travel costs for you, and the trip records, etc. from your time there may help in obtaining a visa should you both decide that is what you want to do? Link to post Share on other sites
AnnPod Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hi guys. I havent posted here in a while. I have been getting over my psycho ex gf for sometime. (I still have some thoughts of her) but they are fading. Especially since I met this Angel online. She is wonderful, has a great personality, drop dead gorgeous, no kids, etc etc, everything I'm looking for in a woman. We have been talking via webcam for about 6 weeks now. 3-5 hours a day. It's crazy how much we have in common, and how much we share. It has come to the point where we have established that we are exclusive, we are not seeing other people. and we have used the "L" word quite often:love:. I am going to see her in about 3 weeks. I live in VA. She lives in L'viv Ukraine. She speaks 5 languages, has a bunch of money (Drives an 09 Lexus, lives in a big apartment, has a wonderful career. etc.) So, before you guys start with the russian wife scam thing. It's not like that at all. I would know by now, I am not dumb. We are very excited about seeing each other in January.! I would like some input as to anyone else who has done this, or any advice on how this could possibly work. She has stated that she would be willing to relocate. her family only consists of 2 brothers, who are grown up now. And it's very hard for her to come here due to getting a visa to the USA. So I am going there. I'm sure alot of questions will be answered when I go there for about 2 weeks. The only way I can get her here is through a fiance visa... So that's a bit scary, but life is short... Ahm OK I am not experienced in online relationships, but this has been going on for 6 weeks, and you speak about love? And you think about marriage? And you have not even met? And she says she would relocate? I'm sure it's not that hard for her to get a tourist visa, so why doesn't she just visit you, and then you visit her, and hmmmm then you can start to think about moving and marriage and all those things... Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 is there any way that you could possibly travel to her "hometown" and take a look at her home, maybe meet her family, etc. in person... if for no other reason that it would be nice to see "where she came from", and perhaps also to verify that what she is saying is true? Maybe take a few weeks to get to know each other "in person", not just for your sake, but for hers? I mean, you'd be asking her to come and stay with you, etc., don't you think she deserves chance to meet you in person first so she can make up her mind about such a big move with all the information she needs to make the decision... isn't that fair? If she is as well off as you say, perhaps she could pay half the travel costs for you, and the trip records, etc. from your time there may help in obtaining a visa should you both decide that is what you want to do? They MUST have proof and evidence of meeting within the last 2 years so a meeting has to happen. Unless they have substantial evidence of a true relationship the consulate will deny them. So, if the OP is really serious they'll follow your advice and go make that visit! Link to post Share on other sites
Mary3 Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 She could be a Ukranian Scammer... You really don't know if she owns all those things.. Would you love her if she lived near a recycle plant and drove a bicycle ? Meet up with her for a few weeks. Let her come out and see you. A web cam is not REAL LIFE. Its like watching TV....Sure its real video of her face but you dont know what happens after the web cam is shut off.... Link to post Share on other sites
Lovelybird Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 They MUST have proof and evidence of meeting within the last 2 years so a meeting has to happen. Unless they have substantial evidence of a true relationship the consulate will deny them. So, if the OP is really serious they'll follow your advice and go make that visit! so it won't be a problem if they meet once or twice in two years? Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 so it won't be a problem if they meet once or twice in two years? Technically, no. Like today is January 1, 2010. They must have met between January 1, 2008- and today. No ifs and or buts. Meeting once or twice in that timeframe is sufficient for an approval of a K-1 visa. But they must show proof of these meetings(pictures, plane ticket stubs, hotel receipts) and then at the interview level they have to show that the USC can financially support their foreign fiance, by making 125% of the poverty level. They must also bring along proof of an ongoing relationship, ie. more pictures, letters, emails, chat logs, shipment receipts from packages, and more plane ticket stubs if possible. This is a VERY lengthy process and unless someone is serious about it, I don't recommend it. I think the OP should go visit her at least twice before making a decision. The high from being in love can make us do crazy things and not see the person for what they really are. This process is non-refundable as well, so you need to make sure that it's really what you want before you go dropping all this money to bring someone over to the U.S. Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 They MUST have proof and evidence of meeting within the last 2 years so a meeting has to happen. Unless they have substantial evidence of a true relationship the consulate will deny them. So, if the OP is really serious they'll follow your advice and go make that visit! Not entirely true. If you can prove extreme hardship or if meeting your fiancee in person would violate long-established customs. However in this specific case with a Ukrainian that probably can't be proved. Meet up with her for a few weeks. Let her come out and see you. I'm sure it's not that hard for her to get a tourist visa, so why doesn't she just visit you, and then you visit her, and hmmmm then you can start to think about moving and marriage and all those things...This is not an option for many nationalities. US Citizenship and Immigration Services begin with the prejudice that many nationalities will overstay any entry visa and become an illegal alien, thus it is an automatic denial. Ukraine happens to be on that list. You are let in as a spouse or after proving your betrothed status. And you have 90 days from hitting the port of entry to get married. I did not know I needed to prove that I can support her... But I definetly can. I own a small construction Co. and make plenty of $$$ to support her.You just have to prove that you will live above the poverty level for a family of two and sign an affidavit of support that you will support her and she won't end up on food stamps or other types of public assistance. Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Not entirely true. If you can prove extreme hardship or if meeting your fiancee in person would violate long-established customs. However in this specific case with a Ukrainian that probably can't be proved. This is not an option for many nationalities. US Citizenship and Immigration Services begin with the prejudice that many nationalities will overstay any entry visa and become an illegal alien, thus it is an automatic denial. Ukraine happens to be on that list. You are let in as a spouse or after proving your betrothed status. And you have 90 days from hitting the port of entry to get married. You just have to prove that you will live above the poverty level for a family of two and sign an affidavit of support that you will support her and she won't end up on food stamps or other types of public assistance. People who have tried to prove the extreme hardship are most often denied, or held up for YEARS. You have to prove that you can financially support your non-citizen fiance so if it were to cause you extreme hardship enough to where you can't go and see her, then how in the world will you prove that you're able to support her? You can't. I've only heard of 2 cases where the extreme hardship was attempted to be used, both cases were eventually denied. Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 People who have tried to prove the extreme hardship are most often denied, or held up for YEARS. You have to prove that you can financially support your non-citizen fiance so if it were to cause you extreme hardship enough to where you can't go and see her, then how in the world will you prove that you're able to support her? You can't. I've only heard of 2 cases where the extreme hardship was attempted to be used, both cases were eventually denied. The extreme hardship does not have to be financial, a medical hardship is more likely to pass USCIS muster, especially where a fiance can't get a tourist visa. As for the affidavit of support it is possible to get a relative to do the equivalent of cosigning a loan to get past that. Few people choose this route, fewer still try for the exceptions built into the law but they are still a possibility Link to post Share on other sites
Rollercoasterr Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) But unless the OP has a SEVERE medical problem, suggesting this is moot. He doesn't. Even those with medical problems are very rarely approved. People have tried. USCIS does NOT want to approve anyone who hasn't ever seen their fiance. This makes it even easier for fraud. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33474 - discussion on the hardship clause. oh, and http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=316 - more in depth on it. But since the OP hasn't returned since December 28th, I'm thinking this whole discussion is pointless as well. Oh well! Edited January 5, 2010 by Rollercoasterr Link to post Share on other sites
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