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[Toodamnpragmatic]

OK,... maybe I wasn't clear enough... (I'm French so my choice of words is somewhat limited)...

 

Of course I will insist that men have no clue if their W is faking it.. there is nooo way you can tell.. absolutely none.. that's a certainty in life.. just like men can't have a baby..

 

For the last several years, more often then not, when my wife is orgasming, my finger is inside of her vagina, while my tongue is playing with her clitoris; as you can imagine, at this point there is likley no way for her to fake it...

 

How's that? how do you know she's not..

 

But I KNOW FOR A FACT, she does not regularly fake it! No need to.

 

Of course.. let's say a woman fakes it all the time.. too bad for her.. at least the man gets his pleasure..

 

So I hope you believe me when I say that I KNOW she rarely, if it all fakes orgasm!

 

Sure she might not fake.. I'm not saying that she is.. all I'm saying is that women who never ever initiate sex.. and who withhold sex from their H... and pretend to orgasm within 5 min.. are full of crap... just impossible..

 

With your view of monogamy, marriage and women just not into sex... now you reach an all time low, telling us our spouses are all adroit at faking it.... I don't think we have sex enough that my wife would bother "faking it" and has told me so. She did fake it when young to get it over with with other guys..... She has no need or want to stroke my ego and why should she care if I have not done my "job" in bed.....

 

You already have me scared to death, and are now just piling on!!!!!!

[crazycatlady]

I don't know, Lizzie. I belonged to a all women's forum once - it was one forum in a group of forums and we all knew each other for a while before hand, so we knew it wasn't a man - and we were talking about our desires for sex orgasms etc and one of the women was saying how her husband always pleases her, always gets her off, but she just didn't want it more then once a month, preferably less then that. And she said she would have multiple orgasms. It just didn't mean as much to her. The rest of us questioned whether she was really orgasming or not, but she swore she was and from how she put it it sounded like she was. It was weird.

 

 

 

 

CCL

[Lizzie60]

I don't know, Lizzie. I belonged to a all women's forum once - it was one forum in a group of forums and we all knew each other for a while before hand, so we knew it wasn't a man - and we were talking about our desires for sex orgasms etc and one of the women was saying how her husband always pleases her, always gets her off, but she just didn't want it more then once a month, preferably less then that. And she said she would have multiple orgasms. It just didn't mean as much to her. The rest of us questioned whether she was really orgasming or not, but she swore she was and from how she put it it sounded like she was. It was weird.

 

 

 

 

CCL

 

In any situation, there could always be an exception... but don't fool yourself.. even on an anonymous forum like that .. women can very well lie..

 

I would be verrrry curious to know how many women on LS have faked it.

 

But a poll on that subject would be pointless.. as most women on here are multi-orgasmic... have a great sex life.. never ever faked it...

 

I say 'YEAH RIGHT B*S!!!'

[Lizzie60]

With your view of monogamy, marriage and women just not into sex... now you reach an all time low, telling us our spouses are all adroit at faking it.... I don't think we have sex enough that my wife would bother "faking it" and has told me so. She did fake it when young to get it over with with other guys..... She has no need or want to stroke my ego and why should she care if I have not done my "job" in bed.....

 

You already have me scared to death, and are now just piling on!!!!!!

 

................ of course.. with other guys.....

[She's_NotInLove_w/Me]

In any situation, there could always be an exception... but don't fool yourself.. even on an anonymous forum like that .. women can very well lie..

 

I would be verrrry curious to know how many women on LS have faked it.

 

But a poll on that subject would be pointless.. as most women on here are multi-orgasmic... have a great sex life.. never ever faked it...

 

I say 'YEAH RIGHT B*S!!!'

 

There is a big difference between women who have NEVER FAKED IT, and women who ALWAYS (or even regularly) FAKE IT... I would speculate that the vast majority of women (80-90%) land somewhere in the middle...

[She's_NotInLove_w/Me]

 

For the last several years, more often then not, when my wife is orgasming, my finger is inside of her vagina, while my tongue is playing with her clitoris; as you can imagine, at this point there is likley no way for her to fake it...

 

How's that? how do you know she's not..

 

To get graphic, I can feel her very clearly pulsating, throbbing and moving in such a way (internally) that it would be highly unlikely to fake.

 

I do not pretend to know it all, especially when it comes to a womans internals, and so that's why I do leave the slight room for error in saying 'highly unlikely,' and/or 'like no way to fake.'

[crazycatlady]

I have noticed that no one wants to admit that they are denying their spouse sex, even if their spouse is cheating. I know it wasn't the case last year with us, that I wasn't denying him when the A got started. I haven't long term denied him since we moved the last time, so 4 years. I didn't realize how badly a long term denial could be emotionally for the denied partner. Its not just the lack of sex, its being told no. It crushes you emotionally. And that was just being told no for only a month, when H was having a really rough time at work and just wasn't interested at all in much of anything - he later said that just knowing I was there and wanting him helped him through it, but it hurt so bad to be told no. And my heart broke knowing that I did that to him not just for a month, but for years.

 

I haven't faked in ages. On further reflection, I have some what recently faked it, just not with H. When we first starting swinging, before I realized I was hindering my own enjoyment, I faked it several times (like every time). And I realized several things - 1, I'm continuing these men's fantasies that they are good in bed when they aren't, 2 - if we do swap with them again, its still going to suck if I don't say its not doing it for me, 3 - why should I be left frustrated just so I don't hurt their feelings that they aren't studs? 4- hey maybe they would like to know exactly what gets me off so they can do it. Faking sells both partners short.

 

As for the woman on the board, maybe. But given that this group had been together 4 or so years by that time that conversation happened, I think she was just weird.

 

CCL

[Lizzie60]

To get graphic, I can feel her very clearly pulsating, throbbing and moving in such a way (internally) that it would be highly unlikely to fake.

 

I do not pretend to know it all, especially when it comes to a womans internals, and so that's why I do leave the slight room for error in saying 'highly unlikely,' and/or 'like no way to fake.'

 

 

Trust me dude.. I can fake it in such a way.. that the guy will feel my vagina throbbing and pulsating like crazy... and I will moan and get wet..

 

I guess I get all excited myself when doing it.. ... and a few guys said they could feel me when I came... and it felt much tighter and more wet.. and more everything.. a good faker is extremely hard to tell.. I'm so convincing that even I'm not sure sometimes..

 

It happened on a few occasions that the guy even told me I had squirted... 'Oh really... see how good you are baby'.. (I have to say that I lubricate a loooot)...

 

My secret.. I always fake it the same way... (like a rehearsal, always do it the same way).. so that they never doubt it's the real deal..

 

and that is when I have to fake it.. (I don't always do).. but sometimes I have to..

[She's_NotInLove_w/Me]

Trust me dude.. I can fake it in such a way.. that the guy will feel my vagina throbbing and pulsating like crazy... and I will moan and get wet..

 

I guess I get all excited myself when doing it.. ... and a few guys said they could feel me when I came... and it felt much tighter and more wet.. and more everything.. a good faker is extremely hard to tell.. I'm so convincing that even I'm not sure sometimes..

 

It happened on a few occasions that the guy even told me I had squirted... 'Oh really... see how good you are baby'.. (I have to say that I lubricate a loooot)...

 

My secret.. I always fake it the same way... (like a rehearsal, always do it the same way).. so that they never doubt it's the real deal..

 

and that is when I have to fake it.. (I don't always do).. but sometimes I have to..

 

Seems like an awful lot of work just to fake it...

 

Reminds me of those theives that come up with eloborate plans to hoodwink some small bank. You know, the saying goes 'if they put all that time, effort, planning and stradegy into a legitimate and honest plan, they could probably get much farther (and net even more money)'...

[jennie-jennie]

There is a big difference between women who have NEVER FAKED IT' date=' and women who ALWAYS (or even regularly) FAKE IT... I would speculate that the vast majority of women (80-90%) land somewhere in the middle...[/quote']

 

Never have.

[reboot]

Don't you men realize when you're being baited?

[NoIDidn't]

About the O: I have no problem in getting an orgasm in under 5 minutes. I can pretty much do it anytime without being prior excited, BUT I need clitoral stimulation. :bunny:

 

Just wanted to get the facts straight, that there are women who do orgasm quickly.

 

Same here. Not all of us take forever to reach O.

[NoIDidn't]

I'm just appalled at the men's denial about 'faking O'... really most if not all women have, at one point, faked it.. and if they're not into sex that much .. well there you go.. it's a perfect way to get over with quickly...

 

There is noooo man on this planet that can know for sure (100%) if their W is faking or not... no way..

 

I have NEVER in my life faked an O. I don't see the point.

 

And the man who can't tell is just not paying attention. The way that a woman's body responds during one is something they can feel AND see, if they are paying attention.

[Woggle]

I just pretty much assume my wife is faking it. No woman really gets that hot over the man who commited to her.

[JamesM]

I don't think Lizzie is saying that all women fake orgasms, or that no man can tell if a woman is having an orgasm. What I think she is saying is....women can fake it so that men could never tell if it is real or not.

 

And I can say that after over four years on LS, I have never read that a man said, "Yes, my wife may be faking it because I would never know."

 

It seems that every man on LS is an expert at orgasm detection.

 

Personally, my wife could fake it and I would not know. However, since she is a squirter, then at least when she squirts I know it is for real. Of course, I guess she could be urinating.

[NoIDidn't]

I just pretty much assume my wife is faking it. No woman really gets that hot over the man who commited to her.

 

Woggle this is just sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. When are you going to set this poor woman free? You don't trust her and its becoming painfully obvious.

 

Are you really this insecure?

[Woggle]

Woggle this is just sad. Sad. Sad. Sad. When are you going to set this poor woman free? You don't trust her and its becoming painfully obvious.

 

Are you really this insecure?

 

Seeing things for what they is not insecurity.

[NoIDidn't]

I don't think Lizzie is saying that all women fake orgasms, or that no man can tell if a woman is having an orgasm. What I think she is saying is....women can fake it so that men could never tell if it is real or not.

 

And I can say that after over four years on LS, I have never read that a man said, "Yes, my wife may be faking it because I would never know."

 

It seems that every man on LS is an expert at orgasm detection.

 

Personally, my wife could fake it and I would not know. However, since she is a squirter, then at least when she squirts I know it is for real. Of course, I guess she could be urinating.

 

But I still disagree. Its been my experience, particularly with friends that admit to faking it to speed things up, that even those women don't understand the physiology of female orgasm. Unless the faker is also doing kegels, a man can tell when a woman fakes.

 

And squirters don't always squirt, so you can't use that as proof of it being real. But, yeah, she could be urinating. But isn't that still a "squirt" of some kind?

[NoIDidn't]

Seeing things for what they is not insecurity.

 

But you aren't seeing things as they are. You are seeing things extremely skewed. Maybe you have been dealing with depression for years, and have never sought treatment?

 

Seriously, Wogs, this is not a healthy way to be in a marriage. You even doubt that she could get excited about the man she's committed to? Do you not see what is wrong with that kind of thinking? Do you think that the women that report being hot for their husbands are lying or something?

 

You seem to only believe negative things about your W. There is no way you can hide this constant negativity from her. No way. It radiates in all of your posts. And its really sad. Really.

[Woggle]

Yes women who claim to be hot their husbands are lying. They are probably thinking about their married boss or something.

[Jeff1962]

Jeezzuuss H. people. I mentioned that a few times my wife and I have come together after only 2-3 minutes. I've mentioned that she is rather quick to reach climax and BAM! Now she is faking orgasms, lying to me, she thinks sex is just too much work, just get it over with. Grow the fu*k up. Not every partner has set out to lie to the other. This may be how it is between some of you and your partner but not between my wife and I. We do have issues but this is not one of them.

 

Some of you may lie to your partners because this is how you are wired internally, this is your life, not mine.

 

 

 

Let me get this straight, a man mentions wanting to better himself and he is viewed as less than a man by some men and women on this site. Even weak, a smortherer, too nice of a guy. A man's wife reaches climax before her husband does so she must be faking it just to get it over with. So far what I have gathered from this web site in general is this, if I want to play the same game as you cynics:

 

Most women cheat.

 

Men don't get enough sex.

 

Most women lie.

 

Most women are invovled with another MM. Then cry because they got their heart broke.

 

There is not much room for honesty.

 

It's better to fake an orgasm than be honest about your feelings.

 

Drag me around by the hair because then you are a real man. Oh yeah baby! That's what I like, lol.

 

Some expect the worse from their partners and only give this in return.

 

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

 

Some of you have given good and insightful advice and I thank you for taking the time to write this down for me.

 

Others only tend to project their own lies and decietful nature upon others. If this applies to you, then you will know.

[giotto]

Perfect conclusion!

[Lizzie60]

But I still disagree. Its been my experience' date=' particularly with friends that admit to faking it to speed things up, that [b']even those women don't understand the physiology of female orgasm[/b]. Unless the faker is also doing kegels, a man can tell when a woman fakes.

 

And squirters don't always squirt, so you can't use that as proof of it being real. But, yeah, she could be urinating. But isn't that still a "squirt" of some kind?

 

Of course these women don't understand the female physiology of an O... because kegels ARE a part of the faking-it..

 

some women........

[Lizzie60]

I don't think Lizzie is saying that all women fake orgasms, or that no man can tell if a woman is having an orgasm. What I think she is saying is....women can fake it so that men could never tell if it is real or not.

 

And I can say that after over four years on LS, I have never read that a man said, "Yes, my wife may be faking it because I would never know."

 

It seems that every man on LS is an expert at orgasm detection.

 

Personally, my wife could fake it and I would not know. However, since she is a squirter, then at least when she squirts I know it is for real. Of course, I guess she could be urinating.

 

Most, if not all men cannot detect a fake O.. I'm absolutely convinced.. if the woman is a good faker.. that's my point... if the woman just lay there, not moving one hair, and push a loud scream out of the blue.. then I can believe that ANY man can tell.. then.. otherwise there is noooo way.

 

And I agree .. NO man will brag about it.. 'Hey.. I'm so proud, my wife fakes the big O every single time.. what a boring lover I am' easier to be in denial than to just 'accept' the fact..

 

As for your wife.. women who squirt don't squirt every single time they climax.. I have squirted a few times only... but she could be peeing.. (just kidding).. no.. James trust me.. especially your W (nurse) she knows how an O works... you wouldn't detect it... (and again I'm not saying that she fakes)..

[Toodamnpragmatic]

Yes between this and the 661 response post No Sex Because of My Weight Gain...... shows how people will skew posts to their own agendas....

 

Jeff your OP was silly imo, but certainly had to jump into the fray when the tone and discussion changed.....

 

As for what you've gathered from this site.... Yep, pretty bang on...