Abnormal people, horrible outcomes

[Nau of the Firefox]

Yea, I Need help, BAD.

 

Almost a year ago I fell into a depression, a bad one. Just felt like I was in limbo. No point to anything, no hate, no love. before that I was a carefree hyperactive knucklehead who was actually a kid genius who never expressed his real skill unless the situation called or in total privacy. I wasn't ashamed of it i just didn't like being appreciated for being smart. I wanted to be appreciated for my personality, not my mind ya know? Anyway this is a long story so sit back. This is my last throw at help before i shut down and give up on it all again.

 

As i was saying in the beginning, i was in a bad depression. Then i heard this girl (who i will name Hinata) had a huge crush on me. I had known for two days before i was told but i didn't care until the news was actually told to me. After that I started having a crush on her but in my innocent state i decided it was a high school crush and would eventually die so to protect myself i would say nothing... i was wrong.

 

We had hung-out for a year, only around friends and she had sorted out her complicated as hell relationship life to the point of where she was single and didn't care about her ex anymore. she had had a crush on one of my friends (who i will name Neji) but they both hid their feelings and neither knew the other liked them. I never heard of the crush and after a year of secret liking her i finally asked her out. she said no to a big idea, and i asked her out to a simpler date a week later (figured it would be easier on her since i knew she liked me from her friends YELLING at me to ask her out). she said no then she invited me to a double date with her friend & my friend that were already (and still are) a couple. (turns out it was her first unsupervised date.... how was i supposed to know ) 3 months later and we are the happiest & couple known in both our schools (she had moved to another district but was still close enough to have a nice relationship) . Her grandma had died who lived with her so she was close and i had even gone to the funeral just to comfort her.

 

during forth month: she had a panic attack over something small (not a fight) but there was one person who could calm her down during these like no other. her ex-crush "Neji" who i then learned was no longer talking to her. well me following the "its her happiness that comes first" rule i began unwrapping why he wasn't talking to her. Days and hours later of Instant messaging to "Neji" i got him to admit to me that he had loved her, and that she never really said anything other than "bye" when he graduated which hurt him and so he locked himself off from her. i talk to her about the reason of why he stopped talking to her (now im playing doctor to the 2 old crushes... see where this is leading?) but leave out the love part as promised to "Neji". she then reveals her old crush on him to me so now i know that they actually had a crush on eachother and i know exactly what is going to happen if they talk again.... can anyone say tough choice?

 

so i took the "its her happiness that comes first" rule as it hadn't let me down yet (which it was about to horribly) . I got them talking and had "Hinata" tell "Neji" of her past feelings (i knew i was giving her up at this point and was already mentally preparing for a breakup for her to go to him) eventually they admitted their feelings and a month later ( a little after 5 months dating) we had a mutual breakup as i knew it was over for me.

 

---- this is where things go horribly awry ----

 

as i am dealing with the breakup, on vacation to get away from it all in another state relaxing at a shore house with my family and a friend of mine, "Neji" calls me and i have to fix their already wobbly relationship (that's what happens when both of them are having a panic attack at the same time) it is all resolved but i'm reminded of how i felt for her and why i set them up...

 

now before i say this i must say something about "Neji". he overreacts.... TO EVERYTHING...

 

I had gotten home and sharpened my sword i have out of boredom and to take care of it... i told a friend while he was observing it at my house the next day... then somehow "Neji" heard. so he tells "Hinata" to avoid me because he thinks im taking the breakup THAT BADLY instead of asking any of my friends or even me.

 

she does and i start wondering why my current best friend is all of a sudden ignoring me. one of my and "neji"'s friends tells me why and i send her a message telling her the truth of it all. --- here is another time when he over reacts and i save him --- so apparently that friend was the only one who "neji" told and he instantly knew who it was. he becomes pissed to all hell at my friend telling me the reason as to why my best friend was ignoring me. is it me or is that completely unreasonable? i fix their fued and everything reterns to normal... normal being i have to fix HIS side of the relationship every other week or more.

 

anyway our would-be one year starts approching... and i see in retrospect (always 20/20 there isnt it?) that it all started 2 weeks before and ended on the day of. i start breaking down and send her a message telling her i still loved her, i felt she had to know. she takes it fine, he reads it behind her back and cuts off communication from me as well as telling me im no longer his friend... 2 days later all three people, "neji, hinata" and the friend of me and "Neji" show up at my house unannounced and confront me for something i said to said friend about breaking them up... i instantly told her it was a misunderstanding and such but they had caught me off guard and i was not ready to defend myself from all the accusations. it wasnt what happened between me "Hinata" and the friend that was the problem, it was that,

A "Neji" showed up just to insult me and was smirking the whole time.

and B. he called me a failure - BAM fist through the wall.

 

people who know me, know i dont anger very often, i get annoyed but not angered. However, there are 3 buttons to press that will set me off like a bomb and he knew that one perfectly.

 

At the moment i set off i broke down, my mask that i had held up for 6 months for those 2 to be together, shattered. But by the time i had fallen to the floor stunned, they had turned and all left. It Broke me, i ALMOST committed suicide right that hour... but luckily for me my japanese teacher just HAPPENED to comment on my facebook status reminding my of my phone in my pocket. i take it out and text her goodbye as she was the one i lived for (she was the one who saved me from the first depression). she texted back (holy cow she talked to be against Neji's orders) and over a long conversation she saved me... again.

 

She still was upset with me and once i was saved and she was absolutly sure i wasnt going to kill myself, she started avoiding me. the would-be one year arrives and the climax of my pain hits me. i send her the saved conversations between me and "Neji" that showed how insanely stubborn he was against talking to her again. i showed her everything. why i hated Neji now (every incident listed) all my feelings for her and that i would no longer help them fix their issues. only her's, and only if they were her own issues not related to him.

 

Now i am in limbo again (though i wont ever be suicidal again ), i dont know whats going on with her (especilly because her stauts messages keep talking about love issues, it kills me not to know she is emotionally stable), and he is just pissed at me (and i don't care:p).

 

yes my friends are different from the norm... we all are. that's why we hangout together. we are outcasts that stick together and he broke that rule. now his only connection to us is through her and she is too confused or hiding from us too much to say anything to me >_<

 

we were each others lifeline. now the lifeline is in trouble i am asking the sea for HELP!

 

also this WON'T end in the standard no contact because our friend circles are WAY to closely knit... in other words i know every one of her friends and have been friends with them for a while and visa versa so somehow we will have to tolerate each other... the question that im asking really is, what am i going to do next to get her to talk to me so we can be friends again. I do love her but i can settle with being friends. it was working until he screwed with it and i just made it all worse.

 

PS sorry its so long. because of my friends and i being so away from the normal personalities normal advice has never worked so i need specific advice. and the only way to get that is through you knowing the specific situation.

[DustySaltus]

I don't even know where to begin.

 

First of all, I think that you need to solve the issues within yourself before you get involved with anyone else...or HELP anyone else. I would suggest meeting with a therapist in the near future, you'd be surprised how much you can overcome if you really want to.

 

With that being said, you RECONNECTED these two people and then realized that you loved the girl? This was really a no win situation from the beginning. I think that the best bet is for you to go out there and find someone new AFTER you resolve the issues within. There's no reason to "give up", it's just a learning experience. Don't get involved in these situations anymore. She's not the one for you. Look at her actions, it's not what you deserve.

 

Please read the link in my signature. That's the approach you need to take with both of them right now. Good luck.

 

DS

[Nau of the Firefox]

"With that being said, you RECONNECTED these two people and then realized that you loved the girl?" I loved her from the start, i just reconnected them for her to be happy because i couldnt calm her down in her panic attacks and he could.

 

So for the signature, all your saying is wait, live on and such and it will work itself out eventually?

[Iamthedouglas]

Coming from a situation like this I know how you feel most likely. My ex and her ex (which was my best friend) never broke up, he just moved and promised he'd be back after college. He went to California, 4 years later he came back. 2 years after he left, we began going out. When he returned after those next 2 years, my ex wouldn't stop having him hang out with us. Eventually I got sick of my ex always spending time with her ex (again, my best friend), and I asked her one day what she felt about him. She broke up with me on the spot pretty much, and went back to him, and they're still together (the breakup was roughly 5 years ago just under). Needless to say I'm not speaking to either, I only know about them because another friend of mine told me they may be getting engaged soon. It doesn't sound like she was with you to begin with or else when "Neji" came back, she would have stayed or at least realized she was with you. Bottom line, if you need someone else to comfort her not because you can't but because she wants someone else to means you guys definitely may have been heading for a breakup eventually anyways. To me it sounds like "Neji" has control of her now, not you. I know that's a weird way to put it, but to explain it frankly: this guy is apparently calling the shots in her life now, and she's not seeing you because of that. There's no real way to get around something like that, because "Hinata" will just listen to him. I say definitely follow the No Contact guide. As it says, you may get her back, but overall just forget it and move on. If you try to get involved any further at this point, or if you try to harm "Neji" emotionally, physically (but hopefully you're not this angry, you sound mature enough to know better), socially, or in any way negatively impact his life, she will never speak to you again even afterwards, therefore even if she might have came back to you or been friends again, you can just scratch that.

 

Besides, "Neji" called you a failure right? Well honestly ask yourself this. Are you a failure? If you think you are, then that's over. If you can honestly answer that question as "no" however, then the jokes on him. Sure you'll never get to slap him in the face with it, but sometimes the best revenge I think is to know that they're just plain wrong. Besides, honestly, if you were a "failure" as he put it, you would have been more crass in your post and probably posted his name right? The fact that you're mature enough to keep it anonymous means you're the grownup here, he's the child. If "Neji" was a real man, he wouldn't have been smirking and insulting you right? Clearly he's immature. Sadly, it sounds like if you say this, "Hinata" will not believe you. I think she'll find out, just let her realize it. Don't expect she comes back to you, but I'm sure she'll see "Neji" for who he is.

 

If your friend circle is tight, then don't be vengeful and assume he no longer has friends. I did the same thing when me and my best friend refused to talk, but I realized he had made friends with everyone I knew, so here I was in the same situation as him, he just had my ex. Typically these guys make out like bandits because they get to keep their friends and take the very thing you want: intimate romantic love, while they go partying with your friends who are now also their friends. Don't get angry at your friends either for this. I almost did, it doesn't end well. Realize friends can be friends with whomever they want, they do have lives remember. If you try to get them to push him away, they may push you away as well or in the worst case push you away but stay friends with him. Eventually remember, karma kicks us in the butt so he'll get his, just you watch.

 

Overall you sound like a caring guy. I mean, girls don't just fall in love with someone smart, their personality has to be good too right? Well obviously it was, "Neji" had just messed it up. If you think you have anything to apologize to to either "Neji" or "Hinata", I say send them a single message and see what happens. Maybe "Neji"'ll respond with an apology (Unless he's just that incredibly childish). After that, never initiate anything with "Neji" or "Hinata", just wait for things to mend if they do eventually. Just be prepared if they never do.

 

Sorry if my post wasn't terribly helpful. Good luck.

[Nau of the Firefox]

Coming from a situation like this I know how you feel most likely. My ex and her ex (which was my best friend) never broke up, he just moved and promised he'd be back after college. He went to California, 4 years later he came back. 2 years after he left, we began going out. When he returned after those next 2 years, my ex wouldn't stop having him hang out with us. Eventually I got sick of my ex always spending time with her ex (again, my best friend), and I asked her one day what she felt about him. She broke up with me on the spot pretty much, and went back to him, and they're still together (the breakup was roughly 5 years ago just under). Needless to say I'm not speaking to either, I only know about them because another friend of mine told me they may be getting engaged soon. It doesn't sound like she was with you to begin with or else when "Neji" came back, she would have stayed or at least realized she was with you. Bottom line, if you need someone else to comfort her not because you can't but because she wants someone else to means you guys definitely may have been heading for a breakup eventually anyways. To me it sounds like "Neji" has control of her now, not you. I know that's a weird way to put it, but to explain it frankly: this guy is apparently calling the shots in her life now, and she's not seeing you because of that. There's no real way to get around something like that, because "Hinata" will just listen to him. I say definitely follow the No Contact guide. As it says, you may get her back, but overall just forget it and move on. If you try to get involved any further at this point, or if you try to harm "Neji" emotionally, physically (but hopefully you're not this angry, you sound mature enough to know better), socially, or in any way negatively impact his life, she will never speak to you again even afterwards, therefore even if she might have came back to you or been friends again, you can just scratch that.

 

Besides, "Neji" called you a failure right? Well honestly ask yourself this. Are you a failure? If you think you are, then that's over. If you can honestly answer that question as "no" however, then the jokes on him. Sure you'll never get to slap him in the face with it, but sometimes the best revenge I think is to know that they're just plain wrong. Besides, honestly, if you were a "failure" as he put it, you would have been more crass in your post and probably posted his name right? The fact that you're mature enough to keep it anonymous means you're the grownup here, he's the child. If "Neji" was a real man, he wouldn't have been smirking and insulting you right? Clearly he's immature. Sadly, it sounds like if you say this, "Hinata" will not believe you. I think she'll find out, just let her realize it. Don't expect she comes back to you, but I'm sure she'll see "Neji" for who he is.

 

If your friend circle is tight, then don't be vengeful and assume he no longer has friends. I did the same thing when me and my best friend refused to talk, but I realized he had made friends with everyone I knew, so here I was in the same situation as him, he just had my ex. Typically these guys make out like bandits because they get to keep their friends and take the very thing you want: intimate romantic love, while they go partying with your friends who are now also their friends. Don't get angry at your friends either for this. I almost did, it doesn't end well. Realize friends can be friends with whomever they want, they do have lives remember. If you try to get them to push him away, they may push you away as well or in the worst case push you away but stay friends with him. Eventually remember, karma kicks us in the butt so he'll get his, just you watch.

 

Overall you sound like a caring guy. I mean, girls don't just fall in love with someone smart, their personality has to be good too right? Well obviously it was, "Neji" had just messed it up. If you think you have anything to apologize to to either "Neji" or "Hinata", I say send them a single message and see what happens. Maybe "Neji"'ll respond with an apology (Unless he's just that incredibly childish). After that, never initiate anything with "Neji" or "Hinata", just wait for things to mend if they do eventually. Just be prepared if they never do.

 

Sorry if my post wasn't terribly helpful. Good luck.

amazing, you seem to have the same gift i have when it comes to reading what people say through their words. that was incredibly helpful and to answer some of your suspicions, yes "neji" is childish and all my friends know it, and not from me telling them either. i am overly mature for my age and that comes from adults trying to poke ad prod at me like a lab rat because of my peculiar IQ that they couldnt test the first time since i aced it and its max was 150. after dealing with that i have had to play word games and plan each move to avoid people testing me. i even have my teachers on my side, they stopped a councilor at their door and said either they go away and leave me alone or bring the principle next time... who is also on my side.

 

anyway i got side tracked, thank you very much i know what im going to do now.

[Iamthedouglas]

All right, good luck. Just remeber. Don't try to get involved. It only ends poorly. Just live without them, show them you can live regardless of whether they're in your life or not. It's not worth getting involved with him anymore period anyways. If you want any other small bits of advice, just ask.

 

Good luck.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Iamthedouglas

[Karma113]

I have to agree with Dusty Saltus. What were you even thinking? If you loved her, you should have done whatever possible to keep your relationship alive at that points. It was bound to happen that if you put them together that would happen. You definitely need to sort out some issues. That was a dangerous idea. By even remotely bringing him into the picture, it ruined it. You need to be careful.

 

Anyway, at this point I can't think much can be done.

[Neji as it is]

You know, I assumed you got ahold of my two IM's where I apologized for the failure comment telling you I was wrong and that it was a split second anger thing, but I guess not.

 

I yelled failure because you told her you'd never lie to her to her face even though you were. You never admitted you were lying or anything! You just kept lying! All you do is contradict yourself with these comments, that's why I said it. I apologize because I felt it was too rash to just yell it, that I should have been more civil about it when I said it. I do not take back why I said it.

 

Also, Hinata did not ignore you because I told her to over the sword, that was never the case, she was not talking to you because of something you did several days before when you blew off plans with her or did you forget? I got nervous over the sword thing, but what was I supposed to think a depressed ex who was sharpening a weapon and going to have his ex over the next day was doing? You never said anything about sharpening it before, why now? Plus your anger is terrible. You blow up on everyone over small things, so of course I thought you were taking it bad! Your basement used to look like the surface of the moon with so many holes! I asked her to be careful, not ignore you! You jumped to conclusions too because you heard something that was said in private that had no bearing on anything.

 

And if I'm correct, wasn't I fixing your friendship with her every few days because you'd be late to see her or you'd just forget or blow off plans with her? I also asked her, she can't recall a single time you ever fixed our relationship beyond our beginning, so it's not just me.

 

Now here's where I think it's fun to say this. You never said some misunderstanding about breaking us up. You told "Choji" as I'll call him, our friend, that you were "sewing the seeds of deceit", and even laughed about it. Your plan was to make Hinata hate me, break up, and then you'd catch her on the rebound, you detailed everything to Choji! Then you told him once he told me that you had lied to him on purpose to incite me to get Hinata to yell at you. That all of that was a lie, only you didn't plan on me reading his text messages you sent him because his phone auto-speaks the messages. Then you tell Hinata that you never said anything to Choji in the first place about any of that! That you simply said "seeds of deceit" but never detailed a plan. You said the metaphor was something you made up, that you didn't even understand what you were saying! How could you make a comment like that without understanding what you're saying?! Oh, and that "for her happiness" comment you said? What about this "Naruto"?

Naruto: What I want is her happiness.

Choji: Bull, what you want is your happiness. That's why you're doing this.

Naruto: ........ *nod* yeah. You're right.

Did you forget telling Choji that or something? Because Choji didn't forget when he told me. This was all a game of chess to you. Well guess what? Hinata's not a game.

 

Oh, and just so you know, Choji and his brother hang out with me usually once a week, not to mention I still have 20 other people I see on a typical basis. So no, Hinata is not my only connection to everyone. Ask Choji himself, we talk regularly.

 

How did I find you? Well I googled your username so I could send you another apology letter seeing as you didn't get my last two, but all I see you've done since then is put in all the details making you look like a saint while leaving out all the crap you did. I never gave her any orders. The only thing I asked her not to do was speak to you for 2 days after you tried to break us up, the rest of the time was her choice. All you do is bring up this whole thing about putting us together, and then use it as grounds to run our relationship! Do you remember when you told Hinata she couldn't hang out with me if you were when me and her were in a relationship and not you and her? That it didn't matter whether it was at your house, my house, Choji's house, her house, for a random day, for fun, for business, for her birthday, just the 3 of us? 5 of us? A crowd? Remember under no circumstances? Remember how YOU had just given her an order?

 

As far as not anger well I don't know where you get that. We all know your temper is terrible. You're stubborn as hell, you never change decisions, you refuse to compromise period, you are the epitome of headstrong. Then, when you don't get your way, you get pissed off, and we all know it! Go ahead, count the holes in your house. I'll bet you that if you got paid a dollar for each one, you'd be the wealthiest man ever. I may be childish, but you're explosive! Quite frankly, ask some of your "friends" what they truly think of you! I've already told them recently to tell me what they think of me. Do that and see what happens. I already know what they'll say. You can find out for yourself.

 

It wasn't just me, Hinata was very mad and heartbroken you said you'd never lie to her when you clearly did. In case you completely forgot when she told you, she has told you numerous times that even if I wasn't in the picture that she hadn't loved you for some time. That she was going to break up with you regardless if I had come back or not, when I came back though it just strengthened her resolve. She was leaving you anyways, you just keep assuming it was my fault when you had already put her in a position where she was just doing it to make you feel good. For whatever reason you like to overlook that fact.

 

So I apologized for failure, I take back yelling it at the staircase. At the same token, tell the whole story instead of the half that makes you look good "Naruto". Try telling the truth some time.

[Iamthedouglas]

You know, I assumed you got ahold of my two IM's where I apologized for the failure comment telling you I was wrong and that it was a split second anger thing, but I guess not.

 

I yelled failure because you told her you'd never lie to her to her face even though you were. You never admitted you were lying or anything! You just kept lying! All you do is contradict yourself with these comments, that's why I said it. I apologize because I felt it was too rash to just yell it, that I should have been more civil about it when I said it. I do not take back why I said it.

 

Also, Hinata did not ignore you because I told her to over the sword, that was never the case, she was not talking to you because of something you did several days before when you blew off plans with her or did you forget? I got nervous over the sword thing, but what was I supposed to think a depressed ex who was sharpening a weapon and going to have his ex over the next day was doing? You never said anything about sharpening it before, why now? Plus your anger is terrible. You blow up on everyone over small things, so of course I thought you were taking it bad! Your basement used to look like the surface of the moon with so many holes! I asked her to be careful, not ignore you! You jumped to conclusions too because you heard something that was said in private that had no bearing on anything.

 

And if I'm correct, wasn't I fixing your friendship with her every few days because you'd be late to see her or you'd just forget or blow off plans with her? I also asked her, she can't recall a single time you ever fixed our relationship beyond our beginning, so it's not just me.

 

Now here's where I think it's fun to say this. You never said some misunderstanding about breaking us up. You told "Choji" as I'll call him, our friend, that you were "sewing the seeds of deceit", and even laughed about it. Your plan was to make Hinata hate me, break up, and then you'd catch her on the rebound, you detailed everything to Choji! Then you told him once he told me that you had lied to him on purpose to incite me to get Hinata to yell at you. That all of that was a lie, only you didn't plan on me reading his text messages you sent him because his phone auto-speaks the messages. Then you tell Hinata that you never said anything to Choji in the first place about any of that! That you simply said "seeds of deceit" but never detailed a plan. You said the metaphor was something you made up, that you didn't even understand what you were saying! How could you make a comment like that without understanding what you're saying?! Oh, and that "for her happiness" comment you said? What about this "Naruto"?

Naruto: What I want is her happiness.

Choji: Bull, what you want is your happiness. That's why you're doing this.

Naruto: ........ *nod* yeah. You're right.

Did you forget telling Choji that or something? Because Choji didn't forget when he told me. This was all a game of chess to you. Well guess what? Hinata's not a game.

 

Oh, and just so you know, Choji and his brother hang out with me usually once a week, not to mention I still have 20 other people I see on a typical basis. So no, Hinata is not my only connection to everyone. Ask Choji himself, we talk regularly.

 

How did I find you? Well I googled your username so I could send you another apology letter seeing as you didn't get my last two, but all I see you've done since then is put in all the details making you look like a saint while leaving out all the crap you did. I never gave her any orders. The only thing I asked her not to do was speak to you for 2 days after you tried to break us up, the rest of the time was her choice. All you do is bring up this whole thing about putting us together, and then use it as grounds to run our relationship! Do you remember when you told Hinata she couldn't hang out with me if you were when me and her were in a relationship and not you and her? That it didn't matter whether it was at your house, my house, Choji's house, her house, for a random day, for fun, for business, for her birthday, just the 3 of us? 5 of us? A crowd? Remember under no circumstances? Remember how YOU had just given her an order?

 

As far as not anger well I don't know where you get that. We all know your temper is terrible. You're stubborn as hell, you never change decisions, you refuse to compromise period, you are the epitome of headstrong. Then, when you don't get your way, you get pissed off, and we all know it! Go ahead, count the holes in your house. I'll bet you that if you got paid a dollar for each one, you'd be the wealthiest man ever. I may be childish, but you're explosive! Quite frankly, ask some of your "friends" what they truly think of you! I've already told them recently to tell me what they think of me. Do that and see what happens. I already know what they'll say. You can find out for yourself.

 

It wasn't just me, Hinata was very mad and heartbroken you said you'd never lie to her when you clearly did. In case you completely forgot when she told you, she has told you numerous times that even if I wasn't in the picture that she hadn't loved you for some time. That she was going to break up with you regardless if I had come back or not, when I came back though it just strengthened her resolve. She was leaving you anyways, you just keep assuming it was my fault when you had already put her in a position where she was just doing it to make you feel good. For whatever reason you like to overlook that fact.

 

So I apologized for failure, I take back yelling it at the staircase. At the same token, tell the whole story instead of the half that makes you look good "Naruto". Try telling the truth some time.

 

Wow, so Neji showed up, but are you serious? If that's the case, then I have to retract my statement. This doesn't seem like something that can just get written up and made up. I'm sorry Nau, but if that's how you act, then you seriously need to grow up. Although Neji, you as well do sound like you need to relax, but I commend you for sending an apology letter if you actually did.

[Neji as it is]

Wow, so Neji showed up, but are you serious? If that's the case, then I have to retract my statement. This doesn't seem like something that can just get written up and made up. I'm sorry Nau, but if that's how you act, then you seriously need to grow up. Although Neji, you as well do sound like you need to relax, but I commend you for sending an apology letter if you actually did.

 

More than one actually, several. I have tried to send him 1 through IM and one to his email. I was googling for his myspace when this came up. So far he hasn't apologized once to Hinata for lying at all!

Edited March 2, 2010 by Neji as it is

[Choji]

by my name you can tell who i am. I am here to clean up some issues for the first thing is i have been watching this thing from just about day one. I am here to clear up some inconsistencies. First Nau, neji is right you are explosive over so many tiny issues it gets really annoying.second neji does overreact over everything, and you knew that from the day he had met you anyone could tell he over reacts. As a reference i see neji almost twice a week and at least he is level headed unlike you. Also if you are really being honest why would you lie to me for what you called "rep" i dont understand why that makes sense. You and neji will never be able to be friends after what he feels you did wrong. You cant go back from here, as far as i can tell from this whole situation you should just shut up deal with what happened and hope hinata will one day want to see you again and what is with that crap of you being calling yourself a genius. you are pretty slow from how you act also that's really cocky of yourself to talk so highly of your intellect when you never use it. When i told him i never said it on purpose I said it in my sleep but still you got mad at me. I can't believe you monsterfied Neji in such a manner that is disgraceful. If you want to be the more mature person you should have told them the whole truth instead of asking for help on your little "story". Yeah that's right it's a story because its only half of what it really was. He is trying to show his point of view without being insulting but here you go calling him "childish" when you are. You have any arguments against that, go ahead and say something. See you Friday.

[Neji as it is]

by my name you can tell who i am.

 

Thanks for posting that Choji.

[Iamthedouglas]

Quite frankly, with all this new information coming in, I'm a bit surprised.

 

Nau, I have to redo my assesment. You need to grow up. It does seem kind of weird for people to state 3 different versions of the same story without any consistency and expect nobody to spot you lying, especially to Hinata. If this entire situation was about her, you should have come clean fully the day you got caught, more importantly you should have never done such a thing in the first place.

 

I don't know how much Neji was speaking outside of anger, but the fact that the little bit this Choji now spoke which feels legitamate as well suggests to me you were clearly toying with this.

 

I'm not sure what you were getting at with the seeds of deceit or that rep thing Choji was talking about, but you clearly were not speaking kindly.

 

As far as Choji goes, he was being vicious attacking your intelligence and that wasn't fair at all. He needs to lax on the insults there, this is a love forum not a flame board.

 

Sadly Nau my opinion of you has dropped because now that Neji has outlined the other half of the story, and that comment about it being really your happiness which Choji did not deny you said that, you are sadly not as mature as you sounded. You need to spend a lot of time figuring yourself out and not pretending you're doing this for other people when it's for yourself. Don't trick me into talking to you about this situation when you won't even admit what you said. I wrote into another forum about how I felt rather impressed by another member that admitted he was verbally abusive, that takes quite a bit of effort to truly admit to. This however is very sad, as you did, as Neji put it, only outline half. I can also understand Neji freaking out about the sword now, if you were seeing her the day after you two broke up and you told Choji about the sword who in turn told Neji, I would panic too. Personally I don't see that as overreacting.

 

Neji was actually as I'd place it vengeful in his post, as he sounded angry. I do give him some credit though for trying to apologize for yelling it even if he did mean it, as when you mean words it is very hard to swallow them back. I also commend him for allowing Choji to admit he overreacts without yelling back at him. Now for the fact that they've both admitted you're angry means you're lying to yourself about that.

 

My new suggestion is not to go NC to avoid Neji, but to figure out who you are and spend time alone by yourself. You have to seriously stop and figure out who you are before you try a new relationship as this entire situation now sounds like you take more blame than Neji does. You messed it up for yourself, Neji really didn't do anything.

 

Sorry about that. So long.

[Neji as it is]

My new suggestion is not to go NC to avoid Neji, but to figure out who you are and spend time alone by yourself. You have to seriously stop and figure out who you are before you try a new relationship as this entire situation now sounds like you take more blame than Neji does. You messed it up for yourself, Neji really didn't do anything.

 

Sorry about that. So long.

 

Thank you. Someone on the internet who doesn't even know you has basically said the same thing Choji and I have been talking about for a while. And I feel bad, I really do. You have 3 friends, Choji, his brother, and your other friend we'll call Kiba (he's crazy enough to be anyways). Sadly both Choji and his brother have terrible opinions of you, but you can ask them, and you don't want to talk to Kiba because you think he's annoying. Hinata wants to talk to you but will never spend time alone with you again or go to your home, and your other friend you stopped talking to because he pissed you off at 3 in the morning when you woke him up over an argument that he wasn't to be involved in (we'll call him Shino) are not your friends. Minus me, as far as I know that's everyone in our circle that you're friends with (because the circles a hell of a lot bigger, you've just pissed everyone else off).

 

You know what sucks too? I felt really bad about losing you as a friend. Yeah, while you were telling me you didn't trust me because I create my own problems (which ironically you do all the time, but it would be innapropriate to post them because you know what they are) I seriously thought you were my friend and may have had a level head on your shoulders. Oh so wrong I wanted this situation to be. I really really did. I wanted this to be some kind of joke, but when it all crashed down, it just made me feel sick to even think you were like this. I have no idea why you turned on me like that, but you know I do feel bad. I hope for your sake you grow up, get some good friends who can put up with you, and find a new girl you don't drive crazy because honestly I don't like the fact that your friend circle is basically dead of your own accord. I know the feeling of loneliness and I'd wish that on nobody, which is why I feel bad because you're doing it to yourself right now.

 

I have no idea what you're going to do, and I'm never going to trust you again. Hinata will never trust you again. Choji and his brother never trusted you to begin with, and Kiba has always trusted you but you're pushing away. For your sake I hope you have friends you hang out with that I don't know about because as angry as you make me, I'd rather not have you alone because trust me Naruto, it sucks.

 

You know what stinks about this too? Thinking back when you were trying to convince Hinata that seeds of deceit was a metaphor, if you had just come clean and admitted like a big man that you were jealous and trying to break us up, you may have been able to fix all of it to. Hinata may not have taken it so hard. Instead you got caught and had 3 stories going which I already stated. By the way, I never actually called you a failure. All I did was yell "FAIL" because you were caught in your lies and you wouldn't stop.

 

From this point on I hope you live a better life. I honestly do. I hope you grow up and become a humble controlled person far from your current narcissistic angry persona. I hope you honestly find someone you can deal with and can deal with you. Most importantly, I hope you can stop lashing out at all of your friends, family, and those you love in anger just because you always want to be right and are "surely never ever wrong". Hopefully you get this post because it would be a shame for you not to. I'm not hunting you down again to apologize, this is it. I am sorry for calling you a failure. That is all I am sorry for besides being sorry that it is all I am sorry for.

 

Just so you know, originally the post I had placed way up (my first one on this thread) I wasn't going to post. I wasn't going to post period. Hinata told me to. Yeah, she told me to tell you exactly what I think, she gave me permission, which was surprising because she was the one demanding I said nothing to you ever again. Personally, I see you as a narcissist who uses his intelligence as a crutch when nobody is speaking of you kindly. The sad thing is too that you are a genius, but like you said you're never applied yourself. Your scores on the state and federal tests were near perfect, but that only counts so far when people see that you refuse to work. Not too lazy to, refuse to. Perhaps if you start by admitting when you're wrong instead of exploding and then saying you never get angry (which, bluntly, is a lie because you are by far the angriest person I know), then maybe people will be able to deal with you easier.

 

As for me, I am a stubborn detail oriented annoyance whose soul purpose sometimes it seems is to point out flaws in arguments or behaviors, but one thing I do make sure to do is keep from being too much of a hypocrite when I talk, that I am proud of. I may be childish sometimes. I do overreact many - all times without thinking. Hell, I am a bastard of a bastard when it comes to arguments as I really go deep into debates and, even though I never make personal attacks or swear, I debate hard. I can get [very] controlling of a situation, and I like it when people do my activites, although I do not complain and go along with what others want to do as well. I can talk for hours about nothing which can get really irritating. I am very logical and thus abstract concepts are often completely lost on me. I can be downright damn irritating and completely annoying. One thing I pride myself on doing though is admitting when I'm wrong and taking criticism, and trying to get along with everyone else. I believe the world works best without major conflict.

 

There's my faults too. All I can say is grow up, and try to live a new life much better than the current one you're in. Coming from another guy who is having his answers on a federal test used for intelligence test examples (yeah, I'm a genius too), don't rely on the numbers, they're pointless. A complete idiot can do a job better than me if he has more common sense and a better know how to do things. Some people may not be book smart, but by all creation itself, they can live better lives with better jobs than I can. I know people who struggled through school who got better grades than I did, while I lazed around and was okay with a C average (and I know you were worse because you told me) even though, just like you, I kept getting scouted in every grade of school until I graduated for special programs because of my test scores. Maturity has nothing to do with intelligence because I know people smarter and more mature than you who have probably IQ's less than yours. I know people more mature than me who have IQ's that are probably less than mine. IQ does not equal maturity, you have to mature as a person. Also, for someone who doesn't like to be called smart, you seem to bring up your test scores an awful lot. Honestly Naruto, they're just numbers. Nothing but numbers. It's what you do with, and you have a lot of work to do with it.

 

As a note, I'm not calling you stupid.

 

Anyways, my point is restart your life from here and try to be a better person. You might as well forget about all of us and try to keep your friendship with Kiba, he may be all of our circle that will be left with you. Start over, try anew, begin again, whatever you want to call it. Just work towards being a better self than you have been in this life.That is all.