Lizzie60 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 1. A "cheater" is simply a "cheater" and will find a way, internet or not.. 2. The internet provides a medium that turns people whom would not cheat into cheaters.. There is truth in both.. but I have to agree that the Internet makes it 10000% easier... some people (bored at work) surf those sites during work time.. Link to post Share on other sites
ADF Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 The idea that internet cheaters would not cheat at all in the absence of the internet may be an appealing idea, but I don't think it is true. Some people who cheat via the internet might not cheat otherwise, but not because the idea would never occur to them. Rather, the internet just makes it eaier. But given enough time and/or the right circumstances, these folks would eventually find a way. Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 LOL The internet facillitates cheating.. Men's innate nature is what is responsible. The easier it is for a man to have sex, the more partners he has.. Sure, all the internet cheaters MIGHT find a way..or it would be far too much trouble for a little extra gratification.. Link to post Share on other sites
threebyfate Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Actually people do use that arguement with guns.. Did i say it is RESPONSIBLE for men cheating? Nice twist as usual.. I said it makes it far easier, and men who otherwise would never cheat because of the hassles, now do. I have seen it MANY times, and the wives have NO CLUE.. She might run out to the store, guy logs on to chat, she comes home.. No clue at all..I'm not suggesting that some men won't do this. But I am saying that anyone with solid, ethical personal boundaries of behaviour, won't do it. It's no different than cheating in real life. If you're going to do it, you'll find a way to do it, whether it's via Internet, at work or via grocery store. This is the identical argument to murder. If you're going to do it, you'll find a way, whether you use a gun, knife, poison, physical means like pushing someone off a cliff, strangling them, etc. Do us all a favour and don't compare your own lack of personal boundaries to all men. All men don't cheat. Some men do. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 1. A "cheater" is simply a "cheater" and will find a way, internet or not.. 2. The internet provides a medium that turns people whom would not cheat into cheaters.. There is truth in both.. but I have to agree that the Internet makes it 10000% easier... some people (bored at work) surf those sites during work time.. I guess it depends on what people identify as cheating. I'm sure it would make it easier for a person prone to cheating to find playmates, but if they really wanted to cheat, NOT having the internet isn't going to stop them. Link to post Share on other sites
flc Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 LOL The internet facillitates cheating.. Men's innate nature is what is responsible. The easier it is for a man to have sex, the more partners he has.. Sure, all the internet cheaters MIGHT find a way..or it would be far too much trouble for a little extra gratification.. Spoken like all of the other human beings who don't want to take responsability for their own actions. It is my genes that made me do it The advantage of being a higher order of species is that we have the ability to make rational decisions based on what we and society believes is right and wrong, too many people today forget that. Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Ladies, if your men have women coming on to them day and night they WILL cheat..Maybe not today or tomorrow, but sooner or later they will. If you are with the same man for many years you do not think he will want something different, atleast to try? if it is easy enough they will. Link to post Share on other sites
grogster Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 The Internet dramatically lowers the "transaction costs" (ie, investment of time, energy and money) of cheating. By allowing an array of low cost emotional/sexual/intimacy connections, the Net both enables and facilitates infidelity. For proof, read many of the Threads here: "Help! I found my husband's emails." Or, "I saw my wife's photo on Match!" "Character" does not exist in a vacuum, and does not always trump technology, biology, evolution and specific situational factors. I suspect most experts would agree. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Ladies, if your men have women coming on to them day and night they WILL cheat..Maybe not today or tomorrow, but sooner or later they will. If you are with the same man for many years you do not think he will want something different, atleast to try? if it is easy enough they will. Not mine. Believe what you choose, if that's the kind of guy YOU are, but I know my baby. He has integrity. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 LOL The internet facillitates cheating.. Men's innate nature is what is responsible. The easier it is for a man to have sex, the more partners he has.. Why don't you stop posturing as if you speak for all men? Many of us humans have evolved to a point where we are no longer at the mercy of our primal urges, and where we are able to make conscious choices in all aspects of our behavior. Imagine - it's possible for a man, ANY man - or woman, for that matter, to have sex with as many partners as they wish (I mean, as long as other people will actually do the deed with them) WITHOUT "cheating." It's pretty simple! Just refrain from getting into a monogamous relationship if you want to have multiple sex partners. Of course, temptation is always a huge tester of our character, values and morals in all ways. The Internet offers much juicy temptation! For me, it's Ebay! Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Why don't you stop posturing as if you speak for all men? Many of us humans have evolved to a point where we are no longer at the mercy of our primal urges, and where we are able to make conscious choices in all aspects of our behavior. ! And women have "evolved" into wanting more and more sex without feelings.. Things have changed,, Fwb's, one night stands etc etc.. Is that evolution? As soon as a man signs a piece of paper he finds other women undesireable? Men typically do not view cheating as harming anyone..if his wife never finds out, who is harmed? Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Some men enjoy being able to look at themselves in the mirror every morning without thinking "what a douchebag I am." Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Ladies, if your men have women coming on to them day and night they WILL cheat..Maybe not today or tomorrow, but sooner or later they will. If you are with the same man for many years you do not think he will want something different, atleast to try? if it is easy enough they will. I usually don't agree with you.. but I agree 1000% with this.. just look at celebrities.. they have women at their feet.. and even if they're with the most beautiful woman.. they'll cheat.. Men are weak.. especially when they're horny like crazy.. Link to post Share on other sites
grogster Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) I usually don't agree with you.. but I agree 1000% with this.. just look at celebrities.. they have women at their feet.. and even if they're with the most beautiful woman.. they'll cheat.. Men are weak.. especially when they're horny like crazy.. Most men do not have to be horny to be weak--as you know, Lizzie. Threads like this quickly degenerate into explanation versus excuse battles where everyone talks past one another. Whenever an explanation for infidelity is offered, there are those who'll always reject it--regardless of validity-- as an excuse. There's no shared paradigm, so discussion is impossible. As for the OP's initial question, to deny technology's role in enabling infidelity is to deny the obvious. Edited March 11, 2010 by grogster Link to post Share on other sites
silic0ntoad Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Hm. I've never cheated on a single partner... I could provide phone numbers for those who don't believe this. I also don't maintain multiple sexual partners at one time. I guess I am not a man, but "a nice guy." Sorry, but guys with any sense of self worth don't cheat, or maintain multiple sexual partners, as we don't need sex to validate our self worth or status. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Hm. I've never cheated on a single partner... I could provide phone numbers for those who don't believe this. I also don't maintain multiple sexual partners at one time. I guess I am not a man, but "a nice guy." Sorry, but guys with any sense of self worth don't cheat, or maintain multiple sexual partners, as we don't need sex to validate our self worth or status. Phone numbers of who???? Link to post Share on other sites
AAlike Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Ladies, if your men have women coming on to them day and night they WILL cheat..Maybe not today or tomorrow, but sooner or later they will. If you are with the same man for many years you do not think he will want something different, atleast to try? if it is easy enough they will. there's really no reason to debate this with you because you clearly are convinced of this. I guess what I'm wondering is if your point is that all men are essentially just waiting for an opportunity to cheat, what exactly are you suggesting? we ban the internet in the name of monogamy? or we just abolish monogamy as a whole? or once men get married, they simply become shut-ins because they are no longer fit to dwell amongst temptation? Link to post Share on other sites
silic0ntoad Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Phone numbers of who???? My ex's lol. Just so they can verify that I never cheated. Whenever I cut it off, I gave an exact and detailed explanation as to why. And then, I would wait til I was ready before sleeping with/getting with anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 there's really no reason to debate this with you because you clearly are convinced of this. I guess what I'm wondering is if your point is that all men are essentially just waiting for an opportunity to cheat, what exactly are you suggesting? we ban the internet in the name of monogamy? or we just abolish monogamy as a whole? or once men get married, they simply become shut-ins because they are no longer fit to dwell amongst temptation? What is the point? It depends on the situation.. Married? Just dating? Just met? etc. Link to post Share on other sites
In_Repair Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I guess I am not a man, but "a nice guy." Sorry, but guys with any sense of self worth don't cheat, or maintain multiple sexual partners, as we don't need sex to validate our self worth or status. Well, I have multiple sexual partners at times, so think what you will... but I'm curious: why does it make me any less of a man? I'm not cheating on anyone. I don't mislead anyone. What's the problem? I'm missing the connection between bedding multiple women and my self worth. I have much more important things to base my elevated self worth on. Link to post Share on other sites
Lizzie60 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 My ex's lol. Just so they can verify that I never cheated. Whenever I cut it off, I gave an exact and detailed explanation as to why. And then, I would wait til I was ready before sleeping with/getting with anyone. And how exactly would they know for SURE that you have never cheated.. this doesn't make sense.. even with 'exes' people still (usually) don't admit to cheating.. Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 Some men enjoy being able to look at themselves in the mirror every morning without thinking "what a douchebag I am." Do you think men really think like this? I think my point is this.. Sleeping with one woman forever basically sucks for most men. No matter who the woman is, after a while it gets old.. Cheating is easier than ever these days, so how to prevent a man from doing this? Make him the ultimate priority in your life so that he actually would feel hurt if he cheated..Be a bit possessive, attentive, loving etc. So many women these days take having a good man for granted that I can't really blame them for cheating. Link to post Share on other sites
blue.iris Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Do you think men really think like this? I think my point is this.. Sleeping with one woman forever basically sucks for most men. No matter who the woman is, after a while it gets old.. Cheating is easier than ever these days, so how to prevent a man from doing this? Make him the ultimate priority in your life so that he actually would feel hurt if he cheated..Be a bit possessive, attentive, loving etc. So many women these days take having a good man for granted that I can't really blame them for cheating. You have no grounds to speak on behalf of most men. A few posters have told you this and yet you've ignored all of them. As for you, I think you should stay away from the craigslist women dude. Syphilis can result in mental illness. Which can in turn lead to incoherent debates. Link to post Share on other sites
Author calizaggy Posted March 12, 2010 Author Share Posted March 12, 2010 You have no grounds to speak on behalf of most men. A few posters have told you this and yet you've ignored all of them. As for you, I think you should stay away from the craigslist women dude. Syphilis can result in mental illness. Which can in turn lead to incoherent debates. Just what is your position? Men do not like variety, ever? The internet makes it tougher to cheat? Link to post Share on other sites
flc Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Do you think men really think like this? I think my point is this.. Sleeping with one woman forever basically sucks for most men. No matter who the woman is, after a while it gets old.. . Actually I found it just the opposite, sleeping with multiple women just for sex and without any real connection gets old after a while. Link to post Share on other sites
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