Women are naturally doomed

[stillafool]

There is no such thing as the "Alpha Males" when it comes to humans. The term "Alpha" was taken from a study of wolves and it only means the wolf who mated it has nothing to do with fighting to the top.

 

In human culture the richer and better off you are the less children you are going to have. In poor countries and poor areas people have a lot more children so technicaly if you take the animal kindom and apply it to human you are saying that the poorest of the poor are the most alpha with in our society.

 

 

I agree with you. People are people with different likes and dislikes. Thank God it is that way or so many women and men would never get a mate.That is why I brought up to Nocturnal about women who are menopausal and no longer trying to bear children and women who don't want children. I don't believe women are choosing their men with the thoughts of their future babies. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many women who fall head over heels for all these losers who don't support their children.

[Joe Normal]

If all this is true, why the large emphasis on marriage and fidelity in society? Why the stigma on cheating?

 

If you want lots of sex the best reliable way is to be in a monogamous relationship where you both love & fancy each other. You can do it as often as you can manage them. Even the most accomplished Casanova would find it difficult to seduce several women per day to match that level of sexual activity. Being a player gives more variety but much lower quantity of sex.

 

I don't buy the evolutionary psychology angle either. If you are a woman, you want your man's resources spent on you, not spread thinly amongst various impregnated mistresses as well. Less money = less prosperity and sometimes less survival chances. The risk of disease lowers your survival rate and that of your children. Cheating means you risk being found out and dumped/socially ostracized. You'll become a despised broke divorced single mother adulteress. That's not exactly evolutionary success is it?

 

From a pure evolution point of view, the best strategy is for men and women to be faithful, have lots of kids, and bring them up well to carry on the genetic lineage. If a guy finds a great woman, their kids will be better quality than if he bangs any thick bimbo with a fake set of boobs and peroxide blonde hair. Stable married intelligent, educated, ambitious couple with 4-5 kids > various stupid, loose morals slut single mothers having kids in dysfunctional poverty, and player dad constantly fighting with heartbroken, depressed wife/divorcee, and messed up kids failing at school due to family trauma.

 

If we are really just advanced animals with instinctive urges, then the family unit and monogamy still makes the most sense. This is even more true in today's world with fatal STDs and massive divorce & child-support costs for broken families. Those who marry well and stay together will outperform those who don't. The "nice guys" (not wimps) do much better in society than the so-called "alpha" male who generally ends up a fat middle-aged bald broke drunkard loser drowning his sorrows and chasing desperate tarts in the local dive bar.

[Butterflying]

Copied from you:

 

The only women who get chosen constantly are "gorgeous women" (ie. the most attractive, hot, and beautiful women). Men prefer these types of women as sexual partners because their genetic success implies an opportunity to pass on more successful genes. Obviously this is all subconscious.

 

What's ironic about men preferring these types of women is that they make the worst partners in relationships. Because beautiful women are desired by all men, they have no reason to stick to just one man. Especially when biologically, women are designed to reproduce many times. This leads to these types of females cheating on their spouses, or not ever emotionally attached or supportive.

 

Men prefer to be with these women and average females (nice girls). Nice girls would make better partners in relationships because they can appreciate their mate better, are not likely to cheat, and will provide emotional support because they are genuinely interested in the person they care about.

 

Of course men are quick to dismiss these women as, "not hot enough" - but we all know that's just a males excuse so that they can shake the stigma of being considered shallow and only wanting pretty and attractive women.

 

In otherwords, nice try DICK.

Sorry OP, but SAF hit the nail on the head.

[Whatthewhat]

Oooh. Nice stillafool.

[witabix]

Enema.. what kind are you? Alpha.. Beta.. or Alphabet?

 

Lizze there three types

 

Alpha

 

Beater

 

Cheater

 

[witabix]

I think the alpha/beta thing is nonsense.

 

It works generally, but nothing is ever so black and white. It's a sliding scale .....................

 

To continue the sliding scale of male typologically kinda thingummy

 

A-lpha

B-eater

C-heater

D-umber

E-ven Dumber

F-**k me you are dumb

G-ood god could you get any dumber

H-ave you got your pants on back to front?

 

I'll leave few for the rest to fill in......

[PutTheBlameOnMame]

I like to date ugly guys, so than that way they are thankful to have me in their life and do anything in their power to keep me, like buy me pretty shinny things.

[PutTheBlameOnMame]

To continue the sliding scale of male typologically kinda thingummy

 

A-lpha

B-eater

C-heater

D-umber

E-ven Dumber

F-**k me you are dumb

G-ood god could you get any dumber

H-ave you got your pants on back to front?

 

I'll leave few for the rest to fill in......

z-esty

Q-ueer

H-otty

R-ad

W-illy Nelson

S-exy

[witabix]

z-esty

Q-ueer

H-otty

R-ad

W-illy Nelson

S-exy

 

That sounds like a sentence,

 

"Queer hotty? Rad? Willy Nelson, sexy?

Tonight on Live at Nine we investigate the phenomenon that is Willy Nelson."

 

Oh, back on topic I thought it said "Women are Domed" but what the hell any post that ends with nice try sluts cannot be taken too seriously. Can it? If so can it.

[threebyfate]

Ladies, embrace your love for alpha males. RL dating, relationships and marriages have been solely alphas. I've only been cheated on by one man. Pretty small odds, all things considered.

[Ruby Slippers]

If we are really just advanced animals with instinctive urges, then the family unit and monogamy still makes the most sense. This is even more true in today's world with fatal STDs and massive divorce & child-support costs for broken families. Those who marry well and stay together will outperform those who don't. The "nice guys" (not wimps) do much better in society than the so-called "alpha" male who generally ends up a fat middle-aged bald broke drunkard loser drowning his sorrows and chasing desperate tarts in the local dive bar.

Yes. There's a great book by Robert Wright called The Moral Animal, in which he discusses this very hypothesis -- that more evolved men and women are those intelligent enough to understand why fidelity is a smart evolutionary stable strategy, and do not cast their mating net wide.

[StalledGirl]

Why are men online so damn weird?! I see couples of all kinds in real life yet online forums are full of moaning "I can't get a woman" .Yawn!

What these men really mean is the following- "I fancy women who don't fancy me". Here's a suggestion- try focusing on the type of women who will date you and stop acting like spoilt brats with a sense of entitlement.

[Ruby Slippers]

What these men really mean is the following- "I fancy women who don't fancy me". Here's a suggestion- try focusing on the type of women who will date you and stop acting like spoilt brats with a sense of entitlement.

Great point.

[Woggle]

Why are men online so damn weird?! I see couples of all kinds in real life yet online forums are full of moaning "I can't get a woman" .Yawn!

What these men really mean is the following- "I fancy women who don't fancy me". Here's a suggestion- try focusing on the type of women who will date you and stop acting like spoilt brats with a sense of entitlement.

 

Men don't have girlfriends to vent to so we use the internet. It is our version of whatever women do when they vent their feelings.

 

Women also have a sense of entitlement about dating as well. They want to tame the player and when they can't they starting hate all men because of it.

[hats]

Copied from you:

 

The only women who get chosen constantly are "gorgeous women" (ie. the most attractive, hot, and beautiful women). Men prefer these types of women as sexual partners because their genetic success implies an opportunity to pass on more successful genes. Obviously this is all subconscious.

 

What's ironic about men preferring these types of women is that they make the worst partners in relationships. Because beautiful women are desired by all men, they have no reason to stick to just one man. Especially when biologically, women are designed to reproduce many times. This leads to these types of females cheating on their spouses, or not ever emotionally attached or supportive.

 

But women, even hot ones, generally don't want multiple partners. I would say women are designed to want commitment because they are vulnerable during pregnancy and when she needs to care for her child.

 

Men prefer to be with these women and average females (nice girls). Nice girls would make better partners in relationships because they can appreciate their mate better, are not likely to cheat, and will provide emotional support because they are genuinely interested in the person they care about.

 

Except most guys who can get average, nice girls probably aren't looking for those things and would rather have a FWB instead. And guys who want average, nice girls probably have no shot in the first place.

 

Of course men are quick to dismiss these women as, "not hot enough" - but we all know that's just a males excuse so that they can shake the stigma of being considered shallow and only wanting pretty and attractive women.

 

In otherwords, nice try DICK.

 

This part doesn't even make sense. How is saying "not hot enough" an excuse that shakes the stigma of being shallow? That's just blatantly admitting your shallowness.

[GoodOnPaper]

What these men really mean is the following- "I fancy women who don't fancy me". Here's a suggestion- try focusing on the type of women who will date you and stop acting like spoilt brats with a sense of entitlement.

 

Settling sounds like a good idea at the time but in the long run it ends up creating more problems than it solves.

[SarahRose]

But women, even hot ones, generally don't want multiple partners. I would say women are designed to want commitment because they are vulnerable during pregnancy and when she needs to care for her child.

 

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This is so ridiculous. Women do want multiple partners. Social conditioning is what puts the brakes on it to some extent.

[samsungxoxo]

Oh is this another one of those generalization threads? It has nothing to do with relationship topics at all.

No not all women stay with abusers, no not all of us are submissive nor doormats who are into ''I like horrible men'' pathetic stage and no not all women cared about LTR (some want multiple partners while others like ONS, etc..). The list goes on but explaining it more would make me fall asleep.

 

Seems to me, the OP is saying all women go into the stage of being with a total jerk and have low self-esteem. Again with the all into it....

Edited May 8, 2010 by samsungxoxo

[hats]

This is so ridiculous. Women do want multiple partners. Social conditioning is what puts the brakes on it to some extent.

 

Probably not to the extent that men do. Either way, whether biological or social, I don't think the analogy works as well in the other direction.

 

Oh is this another one of those generalization threads? It has nothing to do with relationship topics at all.

No not all women stay with abusers, no not all of us are submissive nor doormats who are into ''I like horrible men'' pathetic stage and no not all women cared about LTR (some want multiple partners while others like ONS, etc..). The list goes on but explaining it more would make me fall asleep.

 

Seems to me, the OP is saying all women go into the stage of being with a total jerk and have low self-esteem. Again with the all into it....

 

I don't think it's saying that at all. It's saying that generally women want commitment from men who can afford not to commit. And I don't think this applies to men nearly as much as it does to women. I don't think women should be ashamed of that, like the OP is trying to make them feel. But, unfortunately for single women, it does seem like this is generally true.

 

I also agree that it sounds like a cop out to say that the nice guys weren't really nice guys just because it turned out they wanted to be more than friends. Do girls really think that guy spent years doing nice things just so they could one day spring the trap and get laid? Isn't it more likely that they wanted a relationship and were just too shy to go for it?

[Engadget]

Yeah I hate the alpha/beta thing, and honestly it's such a rare thing to even hear about unless you're on LS.

 

For example, I can be a cocky so called alpha to pick up girls. When I date them I become the loving, emotional guy I normally am. Part of it is because being an ass deflects unwanted attention, although I seem to draw in a lot of girls with boyfriends.

[stillafool]

But women, even hot ones, generally don't want multiple partners. I would say women are designed to want commitment because they are vulnerable during pregnancy and when she needs to care for her child.

 

 

 

Except most guys who can get average, nice girls probably aren't looking for those things and would rather have a FWB instead. And guys who want average, nice girls probably have no shot in the first place.

 

 

 

This part doesn't even make sense. How is saying "not hot enough" an excuse that shakes the stigma of being shallow? That's just blatantly admitting your shallowness.

 

 

Did you read Enema's post #1? If so, then you see the exact nonsense applies to men. Gossh! Why don't people pay attention!!!:rolleyes:

[stillafool]

But women, even hot ones, generally don't want multiple partners. I would say women are designed to want commitment because they are vulnerable during pregnancy and when she needs to care for her child.

 

 

Are you nuts? Look at the infidelity forum and you will see most of the people cheating are WOMEN! It makes guys feel safe to think that women don't want multiple partners but I've got news for you - women get bored with the same sex partner too.

 

Except most guys who can get average, nice girls probably aren't looking for those things and would rather have a FWB instead. And guys who want average, nice girls probably have no shot in the first place.

 

Glad to see a man admit that men aren't attracted to women who want to settle down and make a good mate, not cheat and provide emotional support to them but would rather keep those women as FWBs.

 

 

This part doesn't even make sense. How is saying "not hot enough" an excuse that shakes the stigma of being shallow? That's just blatantly admitting your shallowness.

 

No not my shallowness but Enema's and yours. I was just repeating his words but changing the genders so he can see how ridiculous his statment was and to top it off calling us sluts.:sick:

[Enema]

I can't dumb this down further, but I'll try one last time:

 

I did not write the OP. It's a copy and paste from another forum I read.

 

I do not believe Alpha/Beta personality types exist as they're talked about here.