How do I use the info I have to get my wife to own up to her A?

[sruben]

is there...you just refuse to believe it.

 

If I see it, I'll cut it off! ;-)

[sruben]

If you have proof, then you don't need her to confess. All you need to know is that if she doesn't confess, she is lying, pretending she didn't do anything.

 

you don't need her to confess, you can just tell her to pack her bags.

 

But what did I do to get her to confess? told her that I have proof and am ready to ask her to leave the house if she doesn't confess.

 

like a fool I figured if she confessed that I might be able to stay in the marriage.....but in a little less than a month I filed for divorce anyway.

 

 

 

 

yup...she wants to sweep it under the rug and feels she doesn't deserve to pay the consequences to her actions. And this type of person will continue to be unfaithful to you.

 

Have you considered divorce? you know you'll never be able to believe a word out of her lying mouth ever again.

 

 

 

 

yup, my X told me half truths to cover up the whole lies.

 

 

 

 

Boom, thats it, you need to get rid of her. Seperate finances allows her to spend money on rendezvous with other men without you having direct access to the information.

 

get rid of her.

 

 

 

yes, approach her with a pink slip written up from your attorney.

 

you may think I'm saying that to be funny. I'm not. I'm dead serious.

 

I have considered that. Last summer, I was certain it was inevitable, and pretty much mourned the loss of the relationship then. I even got a referral to a "fighter" of an attorney (and another referral, also supposedly tough). I haven't called them, yet.

 

My wife did say Wed night that she would be changing her DD info to put her paychecks into our joint account again because she never wants to have that argument again. I didn't insist on it, she did! She's always been one of those extreme-reaction glass-half-full type people...whatever. One less problem, I suppose, although now she can't say ILY while looking into my eyes, says the lack of trust thing makes her not want to have SF with me, so I guess it's going to be awhile before I see her naked again. Anyone want to send me their old playboy mags? ;-) (Just kidding!)

 

The only thing I'm wondering now is will she decide to leave first, or to enter MC together? Or will she just acquiesce to keep her little world "nice and smooth" and continue to deny any problems?

[Blindsidedagainalive]

, I got home from work that night and she wanted to know what I was going to see that guy about (she's concerned because he had a WW who messed around on him for 8 yrs before they finally divorced. In fact, she was more than concerned, she got downright livid!

 

Livid, for seeing a pastor to help yourself? She THINKS you may learn something from this betrayed pastor. Why else should she be angry....you are looking to help yourself.

 

She protested that she couldn't even comprehend what something like that would mean, let alone be able to say it and accused me of making it up.

 

She is trying to make you feel like you are crazy. She knows very well what she said.

 

During this fight, the trust issue came up, as well as my suspicions about the EA (PA?) last June. She continued to deny, deny, deny and I don't have anything but persistence on my side, but she also repeated her recurring phrase about "eventually" I will cheat on her because they all have.

 

STOP accusing her. The moment you first accused her, she began removing the evidence. It's obvious that she will deny...WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING?

You need to find out via your own investigating. Hire a PI. OR........plant a voice activated recorder in her car. Get creative.

I thought about what one poster here said. She said that if I were wrong, think about how bad her being falsely accused would make her feel.

Forget that guilt bull****. Your GUT is the BIGGEST indicator of an affair. It's how most of us find out. We got suspicious....then we spied and discovered.

 

She told me that she's done everything she can think of to gain my trust, including quitting her high-paying job (I thought it was because of the high stress and "toxic" environment?) so that she'd be COMPLETELY DEPENDENT on me (and that's also why, when I "made" her go back to work, she took the lower-paying job -- that there's NO WAY she could survive on her own at that salary). As I think about this, it appears to me that she's trying to meet my needs, but doing it in her own way.

 

Wait a sec, you are contradicting yourself. You said yourself in the above, according to her....that she left her job because it was toxic and stressful. Now she is saying she did it for you. You ALREADY mentioned that she said this.....yet...now you are swaying to her NEW excuse for leaving her job.

 

Or is she gaslighting the hell out of me? I hate to say it, but after the fight, I felt more like the latter than the former.

 

My opinion is......she is either insane, or she is gaslighting you.

 

My pastor was disappointed that I cancelled my appt with the IC because he thought the guy could give me some good insights. I was bummed, too, but my wife seems to be holding her trust of me hostage to drop it. He thought this was really strange, like maybe she's afraid I'll figure out the affair if I talk with someone professional about it?

When I read it, I thought the exact thing as your pastor.

 

You are asking the questions......the right ones. However, when you receive the responses, you defend and make excuses for your wife.

I think your wife had/is having an affair.

 

This is based on what you have informed us. I can't speak for others here....but I have been cheated on and saw the same behaviours. Futhermore, I have read and supported HUNDREDS of people in your position since this happened to me 2.5 years ago.

[Darth Vader]

My pastor was disappointed that I cancelled my appt with the IC because he thought the guy could give me some good insights. I was bummed, too, but my wife seems to be holding her trust of me hostage to drop it. He thought this was really strange, like maybe she's afraid I'll figure out the affair if I talk with someone professional about it? I am really thinking one of us is nuts...if it's me, I'm willing to do something about it...why does that threaten her?

 

Does your wife know about this Doc's wife who had the affair? If so, of course your wife doesn't want you to go see him! He'll tell you what's going on with her and then you'll drop wifey!

 

BTW, holding the "don't you trust me" card out there, is exactly what WS's do! It's their line of defense to prevent being found out and/or to have "Damage Control"!

 

See this Doc in private, I wouldn't let your wife know when the appt. is either, because she's soooo against this idea! I'd delete your computers history and cookies so that your wife doesn't find this site. I don't know if you're trying to track your wife on the computer though, she sounds Tech savvie!

[Darth Vader]

I have considered that. Last summer, I was certain it was inevitable, and pretty much mourned the loss of the relationship then. I even got a referral to a "fighter" of an attorney (and another referral, also supposedly tough). I haven't called them, yet.

 

My wife did say Wed night that she would be changing her DD info to put her paychecks into our joint account again because she never wants to have that argument again. I didn't insist on it, she did! She's always been one of those extreme-reaction glass-half-full type people...whatever. One less problem, I suppose, although now she can't say ILY while looking into my eyes, says the lack of trust thing makes her not want to have SF with me, so I guess it's going to be awhile before I see her naked again. Anyone want to send me their old playboy mags? ;-) (Just kidding!)

 

The only thing I'm wondering now is will she decide to leave first, or to enter MC together? Or will she just acquiesce to keep her little world "nice and smooth" and continue to deny any problems?

 

I don't how long this has been going on with your wife, but, have you considered if your Daughter is even yours?(I can't remember if I asked that, yet.)

 

Listen to Dex, he's been there as well as Chrome.

[sruben]

I don't how long this has been going on with your wife, but, have you considered if your Daughter is even yours?(I can't remember if I asked that, yet.)

 

Listen to Dex, he's been there as well as Chrome.

 

Good question, but yes...she was conceived within two weeks of getting married and her brain is wired a lot like mine (plus looks a lot like me, only much cuter... ;-)

[U2RockZz]

once a cheater is almost always a cheater you had a perfect oppurtunity to get rid of her when she strayed on you presumed first time....

 

now install flexi spy pro x version on her mobile(which is gps enabled)....get a key logger for her system.....take care of your financials....get a lawyer....

[Dexter Morgan]

although now she can't say ILY while looking into my eyes, says the lack of trust thing makes her not want to have SF with me

 

bulls##t. another gaslighting technique. She doesn't want to have sex with you because she wants to have sex with the other guy. But she is blaming you for it.

 

 

The only thing I'm wondering now is will she decide to leave first, or to enter MC together? Or will she just acquiesce to keep her little world "nice and smooth" and continue to deny any problems?

 

man, why wait for her to decide. She is giving you a line of crap about why she doesn't want to have sex with you, blaming you for the way you feel because SHE is the one that effed someone outside the marriage....and you want to wait to see what she wants to do?

 

I think you need to ask her to leave and be prepared by talking to an attorney before you do.

[sruben]

once a cheater is almost always a cheater you had a perfect oppurtunity to get rid of her when she strayed on you presumed first time....

 

now install flexi spy pro x version on her mobile(which is gps enabled)....get a key logger for her system.....take care of your financials....get a lawyer....

 

Question on Flexispy because I can't get a straight answer: Will it work on a Verizon phone? Specifically, one of the new Chocolate Touch phones? I have heard that Verizon makes the GPS unavailable to third-party apps.

 

Now that she has only (as far as I know) her personal cell (and not the work BB she had when all this was going on last summer), it would or should be easier to discover any suspicious activity. BTW, I haven't seen anything in the TXT or call logs which looks suspicious (just the two coded contacts in the contact list, which she doesn't appear to have called anytime in recent history, and certainly not in any volume that would catch my attention).

 

You're making assumptions about a "presumed first time". If I knew about any first time, I'd have done something about it. I suspected briefly two summers ago because of the decreased SF and wouldn't let me see her naked, but after watching fireproof, I didn't see any bad behavior. Last summer she was doing all the MLC talk as well as the ring thing (which she STILL insists was because she had "blimped out" (not that I could see!)). I still don't have anything but suspicions and circumstantial evidence.

 

I had a KL on her system at one time, didn't find anything suspicious, but she's been more active lately. I've also learned recently that she sometimes gets up in the middle of the night -- I didn't know that before. Evidently, she hasn't been waking me up when she does that. I am beginning to rethink that issue and may very well reinstall it...

[sruben]

Well, I think I talked about this earlier, but she decided (again, unilaterally) that she would DD her check into our joint account as a result of the fight last week because she "doesn't want to have this argument ever again!" I know in a future fight she'll say again it's because I'm a control freak, but I had told her that I think separate finances COULD work as long as I had visibility into her spending. Evidently, she either wants to spend with no accountability, or I can just have it all and she doesn't care (which leaves me with the problem of making sure she knows how much she's spending vs. earning). Anyway, on to the topic.

 

So, she was feeling more friendly Sat night, we had SF (I started with a backrub and no intentions of initiating SF, but she got a bit worked up and also wanted to return the favor, so she told me that I was overdressed (her hint to lock the door, and... ;-) We were mutually in a good mood Sat and Sun, went on a marital date ("sneaking around on the kids", she said). Toward the end, we actually talked about our pasts a bit, mostly hers, which I've been wanting to address some things, clarify things she's told me. The long & short of it is that she told me that she has never had intercourse with anyone she wasn't married to. She wasn't so specific as to rule out, for instance, intercourse with H#2 in between their divorce and remarriage, or even after the second divorce (both of which I suspect, but don't strongly care). However, she's always told me that her first real BF (whom she did not marry) back in HS she "fooled around" plenty with. Last night that was further defined as heavy petting. She said that she didn't consider that sexual intercourse. She also insisted that she'd always kept her clothes on, but I know what you can get away with while technically still having your clothes on!

 

I haven't talked more about it, but plan to. From our own relationship I know that, while we did not have intercourse prior to being married, we did lay together naked and masturbate each other to climax (HJ) prior to being married. We were engaged and I was fully committed at that point, so I didn't give myself too much grief over it at the time, but I'm seeing now what I should have understood then -- that she has no problem touching a man's penis to whom she is not married (and getting him off), and she kind of confirmed that last night with what she said. I told her that the pastor who married (and premarital counseled us) would not have approved of what we were doing had he known, and she replied, "Well, I've never lived my lived based on a pastor's approval"! Whoa! Okay, so a bit later I asked for clarification of that statement and she said that she just meant that she didn't think any pastor should be able to judge her, that she's accountable to God only for what she does. My take away from that: She's not accountable to me, either (is that a stretch? Any (f)WW's, please feel free to set me straight).

 

Okay, so the only thing I don't know that I really would like to: Does she think that applies to another man when she's married? In fact, she has admitted that she started a relationship with H#2 before the divorce to H#1 was final, "mostly just talking on the phone since he lived out of town". Mostly? Sounds like more half-truth language to me. My take on that is that "...and when we weren't talking on the phone long-distance, he was here and I was jerking him off just like I did you and H#1 and BF from HS."

 

To those who encouraged me to go to IC anyway, secretly: I had determined that I need to do that for myself regardless of her objections to it, and largely for the reasons you cited. I think if she were kissing and jerking off a guy last summer, "but not comitting adultery since not having intercourse", my problem is just a big. I think it's likely she doesn't want me to "figure it out", not really knowing how much I've already pieced together.

 

But since she's talking, and I want to see how much I can get from her as far as her character and beliefs about what does and doesn't constitute adultery. I'll bet there's a double standard there, too, but I might get surprised! Although I have confessed to her that there were two instances where I was tempted to have an affair, I did not take advantage of the opportunity. She didn't want to know, said she'd just obsess over it if she knew details. Isn't that weird? BW's, wouldn't you want to know?

 

So, how many people here consider a HJ as SF? Do you consider it intercourse? Does it constitute adultery if done with someone other than your spouse?

 

i know...I seriously need to discuss boundaries with my wife. Since we are both Christians, I guess I made some assumptions about having common standards there. When I asked her what hers were, she just said "just what the Bible says" (not what a pastor says, but most of them I've heard say what the Bible says -- she didn't say, by the way, just referred to it). *sigh* Not sure why it took my 8 years to get here...

[Owl]

It doesn't matter what WE consider it to be.

 

The only things that matter are what YOU consider it to be, and what you're willing to do when your boundaries are violated.

 

Everything else is just pretty much irrelevent.

[sruben]

It doesn't matter what WE consider it to be.

 

The only things that matter are what YOU consider it to be, and what you're willing to do when your boundaries are violated.

 

Everything else is just pretty much irrelevent.

 

Boundaries. Yup, exactly. Something that I mistakenly assumed when we met were the same. But hey, I hadn't been married before, so I didn't really know that this could become such an issue! Definitely needs to be the topic of our next talk...

[sruben]

Oh, and please keep in mind -- the reason I'm asking these kinds of questions is that I'm trying to get inside my wife's head a bit so that I can decide what I'm going to do about it.

 

BTW, she told me that she "doesn't remember" details about what she did with the BF she had before H#1...nor even about what she and I did during our courtship just over 8 years ago. I find that very hard to believe -- I can remember ALL the details about what I said and did with a GF I had when I was 18 (the only other person I've ever had SF with besides my wife). I also remember every girl I ever made out with (not a HUGE number, or anything, but still...). I don't believe she "can't" remember...I just think she doesn't want to go there. Does she see herself as I'm beginning to see her? As someone who doesn't think giving a guy she's not married to a HJ is morally wrong and a violation of marriage vows?

[Owl]

Well, here's where you need to be careful, friend.

 

When you asked your wife what her boundaries were, she didn't answer you. She deflected by saying "what the Bible says".

 

She didn't define her boundaries at all.

 

And she's clearly demonstrated to you that her....'interpretations'....of things can vary greatly from yours.

 

This means you can't be vague. It means you need to be very SPECIFIC in outlining these things with your wife...very, very clear about what is and isn't a violation.

 

It seems to me that you have two major issues here...because she's clearly intentionally mis-interpreting things that you say. So one is open, honest communication, right along with the boundaries issue.

 

Here's my suggestion.

 

Get a good marriage counselor. One who's got a good PLAN for you and your wife to focus on rebuilding your marriage, and on rebuilding these problem areas in your relationship.

 

One that won't let your wife 'weasel around' and mince words to avoid dealing with things.

 

Make it clear to your wife that things have to get fixed, because you WILL NOT continue in the marriage in the shape it's in right now (assuming you truly feel that way, of course).

 

INSIST on making changes to fix things...or on making changes to end things.

 

Don't be a doormat. Don't let her continue to derail your efforts to do this.

[turnera]

Good grief, sruben. How gullible do you have to be before you admit you're being used?

 

You canceled your IC because she was upset? Seriously? What ELSE do you do just because she acts like a 3 year old to get her way?

 

Women need strong men. The weaker and weaker you get, the more it makes her want to go out and shag some other guy.

 

The long & short of it is that she told me that she has never had intercourse with anyone she wasn't married to.

Which means she's either still doing it with her exes, or she is just really good at lying to you.

 

You should:

Make sure you are being everything a good husband should be so she can't say you're a bad one, and so she'll see a great guy waiting for her.

Install a keylogger on her computer.

Get the phone under surveillance and get the bills if nothing else so you can see what numbers she's calling/texting.

Hire a PI to see what she does with her time.

Gather the evidence and put it somewhere where she can't access it and destroy it.

Confront her with the proof and demand that she stop.

If she refuses, expose the affair(s) to her parents, siblings, pastor, and best friends, and ask them to help you save your marriage. Call the OM's family and do the same.

Wait to see if the affair ends.

If it doesn't, tell her she is welcome to move out, but your daughter stays with YOU.

[Owl]

Oh, and please keep in mind -- the reason I'm asking these kinds of questions is that I'm trying to get inside my wife's head a bit so that I can decide what I'm going to do about it.

 

BTW, she told me that she "doesn't remember" details about what she did with the BF she had before H#1...nor even about what she and I did during our courtship just over 8 years ago. I find that very hard to believe -- I can remember ALL the details about what I said and did with a GF I had when I was 18 (the only other person I've ever had SF with besides my wife). I also remember every girl I ever made out with (not a HUGE number, or anything, but still...). I don't believe she "can't" remember...I just think she doesn't want to go there. Does she see herself as I'm beginning to see her? As someone who doesn't think giving a guy she's not married to a HJ is morally wrong and a violation of marriage vows?

 

Don't waste cycles trying to work out the logic of the illogical.

 

You CANNOT succeed.

 

Stop trying to get into her head. She doesn't even understand what's going on in there right now...you're not going to have any more success than she does.

 

Instead, focus on fixing your marriage. Focus on the actions that need to happen there....worry about the why's of it later.

[Owl]

 

Women need strong men. The weaker and weaker you get, the more it makes her want to go out and shag some other guy.

 

 

Seriously something to consider in here.

 

The vast majority of women cannot love a man that they can't respect.

 

A woman has to be able to respect a man in order to fall in love with him.

 

A woman does NOT respect a man that she controls...no matter HOW she accomplishes the task.

 

A woman will respect a man who respects himself. One she cannot treat as a doormat. One that doesn't let her get away with treating him like doodoo.

 

Earn her respect by fighting for what you need to here. Believe it or not, its the first key step in possibly earning her love back.

[turnera]

Of all the affairs I've read about (a LOT), the best and fastest recovery I've ever heard of was a man who caught his wife and her OM in one of their rental homes, undressed, doing it. He whipped out his phone, snapped a picture, picked up their clothes, carried the clothes out to the street and left them in the middle of the street, drove off, emailed the picture to the OM's wife, and called his lawyer on the way home.

 

By the time he got home, his wife was right behind him, begging him to forgive her, she'd do ANYTHING he wanted. He set VERY high standards - total transparency to all her passwords, etc.; nowhere without his knowledge; nowhere with any other men; stuff like that. She agreed completely. Within a couple months, she was completely over the OM and head over heels in love with her husband again - because he took control.

 

Incidentally, the OM's wife took him back and did nothing to get him to make amends. A few months later, the OP ran into the OM in a restaurant with yet another married woman, whipped out his phone and took another picture, and sent it to OM's wife - again. She finally divorced him.

[Owl]

While perhaps not quite as extreme as the example above (but I loved the example! ), my own recovery fits what Turnea is talking about too.

 

My wife was 'caught' in an EA with OM. Indisputably. I had suspected for a while, but then took steps and got my 'proof' within a few days of deciding to do so.

 

At first, I confronted, begged, pleaded, etc... It got me nowhere. She was all set to fly away and live with OM.

 

Then, the morning she was supposed to leave, I told her point blank that if she got on the plane, it was over. There would be NO coming back at all. I talked about all the good times we'd had, the things that we were looking forward to with the kids...and made it clear that none of those things would happen if she got on the plane. That getting on the plane meant that she was losing me completely, totally, and irrevocably.

 

It made her hesitate. OM 'sensed' that...got angry, and told her not to come. She didn't.

 

They waffled around for about the next month, going in and out of contact.

 

Until I'd had ENOUGH of the ups and downs. We'd been talking about a trial seperation.

 

I realized that the trial seperation was just going to be a 'trial marriage' for her and OM.

 

She wasn't going to be working on our marriage at all...it just doesn't work that way.

 

I went and spoke with a lawyer and learned about divorce in our state.

 

That night, when we talked, I told her point blank that I would not do a trial seperation with her. If she wanted to leave/seperate, I was filing for divorce.

 

Point blank, that simple.

 

That night was the night she made up her mind to work on our marriage.

 

It was when she realized that she really was going to lose me, when she realized I wasn't going to just sit there and take this stuff...that was when she made her choice.

 

We're six years past that time, and doing great.

[sruben]

Of all the affairs I've read about (a LOT), the best and fastest recovery I've ever heard of was a man who caught his wife and her OM in one of their rental homes, undressed, doing it. He whipped out his phone, snapped a picture, picked up their clothes, carried the clothes out to the street and left them in the middle of the street, drove off, emailed the picture to the OM's wife, and called his lawyer on the way home.

 

By the time he got home, his wife was right behind him, begging him to forgive her, she'd do ANYTHING he wanted. He set VERY high standards - total transparency to all her passwords, etc.; nowhere without his knowledge; nowhere with any other men; stuff like that. She agreed completely. Within a couple months, she was completely over the OM and head over heels in love with her husband again - because he took control.

 

Incidentally, the OM's wife took him back and did nothing to get him to make amends. A few months later, the OP ran into the OM in a restaurant with yet another married woman, whipped out his phone and took another picture, and sent it to OM's wife - again. She finally divorced him.

 

Very cool. Yeah, I've fantasized about doing something similar if I found an OM in my home doing it with my wife. I'd have my firearm with me (not brandishing), and I'd force him to leave the house without his clothes, telling him I'd gather them and throw them out there, but FIRST he was leaving... ;-)

 

I seriously don't think she'd bring an OM into the home, though. If she were doing something, she'd be much more sneaky than that. In her last job, getting a (nice) hotel room was not outside her budget...or my observations of her cash spending patterns. Having a PI track them to the room and call me to be there when they came out of the room is another favorite fantasy (but without the gun)...while having his wife on the line on my cell phone for awhile before they came out. The more noise, the better. But nice hotels probably wouldn't let a BH hang out waiting for that, but I digress...

 

Seriously -- there will come a time (soon) where I will tell her that I am going to the IC anyway...and that she needs to come for MC if she wants the M to continue. You've now encouraged me to be stronger about it when I do. Thanks.

[sruben]

While perhaps not quite as extreme as the example above (but I loved the example! ), my own recovery fits what Turnea is talking about too.

 

My wife was 'caught' in an EA with OM. Indisputably. I had suspected for a while, but then took steps and got my 'proof' within a few days of deciding to do so.

 

At first, I confronted, begged, pleaded, etc... It got me nowhere. She was all set to fly away and live with OM.

 

Then, the morning she was supposed to leave, I told her point blank that if she got on the plane, it was over. There would be NO coming back at all. I talked about all the good times we'd had, the things that we were looking forward to with the kids...and made it clear that none of those things would happen if she got on the plane. That getting on the plane meant that she was losing me completely, totally, and irrevocably.

 

It made her hesitate. OM 'sensed' that...got angry, and told her not to come. She didn't.

 

They waffled around for about the next month, going in and out of contact.

 

Until I'd had ENOUGH of the ups and downs. We'd been talking about a trial seperation.

 

I realized that the trial seperation was just going to be a 'trial marriage' for her and OM.

 

She wasn't going to be working on our marriage at all...it just doesn't work that way.

 

I went and spoke with a lawyer and learned about divorce in our state.

 

That night, when we talked, I told her point blank that I would not do a trial seperation with her. If she wanted to leave/seperate, I was filing for divorce.

 

Point blank, that simple.

 

That night was the night she made up her mind to work on our marriage.

 

It was when she realized that she really was going to lose me, when she realized I wasn't going to just sit there and take this stuff...that was when she made her choice.

 

We're six years past that time, and doing great.

 

I made up my mind last summer that I would not do separation...that's just dragging out the inevitable and, as you said, trial marriage for AP's.

 

I haven't let her know directly that she is in danger of losing me, but the day after she didn't come home for supper, I was VERY distant from her, didn't spend much time at home, just found other things to do. Her attitude did change to one more amicable at that point.

 

I guess we'll see what happens once I tell her I'm in IC with the Dr she didn't want me to see... ;-)

[turnera]

I haven't let her know directly that she is in danger of losing me, but the day after she didn't come home for supper, I was VERY distant from her, didn't spend much time at home, just found other things to do. Her attitude did change to one more amicable at that point.

Oh, no, not THAT! Not being DISTANT! How will she ever stand it?!

 

Seriously, sruben, I'm not trying to make fun of you, but do you realize how silly this sounds?

 

You're talking about your wife cheating - SF! - with another man, and the strongest weapon you have is...disapproval?

 

She's laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Oh, wait. She already did that.

 

You have already lost your wife.

 

You have ONE chance to get her back - to tell HER that she has one chance.

[sruben]

Oh, no, not THAT! Not being DISTANT! How will she ever stand it?!

 

Seriously, sruben, I'm not trying to make fun of you, but do you realize how silly this sounds?

 

You're talking about your wife cheating - SF! - with another man, and the strongest weapon you have is...disapproval?

 

She's laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Oh, wait. She already did that.

 

You have already lost your wife.

 

You have ONE chance to get her back - to tell HER that she has one chance.

 

You misunderstood. At that point I knew nothing. But I gave the appearance of moving on, which they say you should be prepared to do and it did seem to make a difference.

[turnera]

Gotcha.

 

It's true. We want what we can't have. The more you beg, whine, cry, plead, the less she wants you, cos she knows she can have you any time she wants. The OTHER guy, OTOH, she has to work for. That makes HIM exciting.

[U2RockZz]

Question on Flexispy because I can't get a straight answer: Will it work on a Verizon phone? Specifically, one of the new Chocolate Touch phones? I have heard that Verizon makes the GPS unavailable to third-party apps.

 

 

 

Now that's a good one....Flexispy PRO-X (BlackBerry) DOES NOT work on CDMA networks (it only works on GSM networks). Please make sure your target is NOT on a CDMA network before purchasing Flexispy PRO-X. future versions of Flexispy PRO-X will support CDMA network(check it out)

 

 

 

now if you want to use it on CDMA networks like sprint,verizon....you can use MOBISTEALTH spy pro-x version**(check the spelling)...i haven't tested it so i could not say it how it works....

 

**----- not all phones are compatible with mobistealth i guess....some of androids and HTC all

 

 

for more info....http://www.squidoo.com/spyphone_flexispy

Edited May 17, 2010 by U2RockZz