When did Curvy Start meaning Fat?

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Thread shoulda been called "we may whine about women who ignore us and treat us shallowly, but over weight women need not bother to apply because fat peopel don't deserve loving relationships and only someone with the time, money and energy to dedicate several hours a week to working out can call themselves "not lazy""

 

that is all.

 

This fat girl who is also curvy will now slink off and eat a cupcake.

 

Ok a little melodramatic but I get the point honestly Im an overweight person as well and I get a kick out of these "fat person" threads.

 

No one forces them to date us to talk to us to interact in anyway with us but yet the mere existence of over weight people and women in general seams to erk people.

 

Its my life people its my body not yours all I ask for is the same level of respect every one else gets! why judge people by their weight alone doesn't my personalty come into play at all or is that canceled out automatically by what I look like?

 

Who cares what words people use to describe themselves lots of people call themselves intelligent but thats not exactly true in allot of cases

[theBrokenMuse]

Who cares what words people use to describe themselves lots of people call themselves intelligent but thats not exactly true in allot of cases

 

Well, the disapproval you are seeing stems from and US vs THEM mentality. People don't tolerate that which they are bigoted against painting themselves in a positive light too well. This was very obvious during the time when gays first started making an effort to fight back against the commonly held view of them being sexual deviants. Homophobic bigots were outraged that gays would dare flaunt their sexuality and feel a sense of pride about their own identities. In fact this ridiculous claim on words such as 'thick' and 'curvy' reminds me of how some people lost their minds when gays picked symbols such as the purple triangle and rainbow. I remember the common lament to be some version of "They STOLE it from us therefore tainting it forever with their icky gayness!"

 

With fat people it's pretty much the same. Bigots expect us to view ourselves as poorly as they do and become increasingly agitated when any big person isn't apologetic for who and what they are because they think we damn well should be.

Edited June 26, 2010 by theBrokenMuse

[reddog4321]

I would have to disagree. Clearly the fat people on the dating sites who list themselves as athletic (men) or curvy (women) are NOT happy with themselves or they would properly label themselves and be happy with it, rather than hijacking a label that used to describe someone in much better health and pretending in some perverse fantasy that is describes them.

 

The fact of the matter is that obesity if a huge health problem, that will soon surpass tobacco as the leading cause of death. It is estimated that by 2018 25% of our healthcare dollars will go to treating symptoms and diseases of obesity, a completely preventable problem. Not just that but it is proven fat people miss more work, require more fuel to cart their excess weight around in an airplane or car, seats have to made larger to accomodate them, and they are less likely to be hired for jobs. So they are pushing an increasing cost on the rest of us in many different ways. All so they can shove as many cupcakes in their face as they want.

 

To the comments about looking down on people who don't dedicate lots of hours per week to exercise, diet is 70-80% of game when it come to being a natural weight and it does not require much exercise at all. Although we are an animal that is supposed to be active. Most of do not hunt or farm anymore and have sedentary lives, so exercise helps to make up for this deficit. But lifting a cupcake will not do it, sorry.

[aerogurl87]

Curvy to me means you have a hour glass shape, but as most people here have noted, it's been changed to be a nice way of saying your fat. I saw it on alot of dating sites as well like when I was on match briefly and looking at my "competition". Like this one girl who said she was "curvy" but had fat rolls hanging off the side of her in a small little tank top. *sigh*

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I would have to disagree. Clearly the fat people on the dating sites who list themselves as athletic (men) or curvy (women) are NOT happy with themselves or they would properly label themselves and be happy with it, rather than hijacking a label that used to describe someone in much better health and pretending in some perverse fantasy that is describes them.

 

The fact of the matter is that obesity if a huge health problem, that will soon surpass tobacco as the leading cause of death. It is estimated that by 2018 25% of our healthcare dollars will go to treating symptoms and diseases of obesity, a completely preventable problem. Not just that but it is proven fat people miss more work, require more fuel to cart their excess weight around in an airplane or car, seats have to made larger to accomodate them, and they are less likely to be hired for jobs. So they are pushing an increasing cost on the rest of us in many different ways. All so they can shove as many cupcakes in their face as they want.

 

To the comments about looking down on people who don't dedicate lots of hours per week to exercise, diet is 70-80% of game when it come to being a natural weight and it does not require much exercise at all. Although we are an animal that is supposed to be active. Most of do not hunt or farm anymore and have sedentary lives, so exercise helps to make up for this deficit. But lifting a cupcake will not do it, sorry.

 

And do those statistics affect the amount of basic human respect we deserve? It never fails people who are needlessly crewel to overweight people always hide behind the its because your unhealthy facade.

 

Like that some how justifies it in there minds makes it ok to dehumanize us as much as they like. Lets face it you don't care how healthy we are or arnt you dislike us because of how we look simple as that!

 

If your going to be that way OK but don't try to save face and say its because of our supposed "health" issues cause its not

[allina]

And do those statistics affect the amount of basic human respect we deserve? It never fails people who are needlessly crewel to overweight people always hide behind the its because your unhealthy facade.

 

Like that some how justifies it in there minds makes it ok to dehumanize us as much as they like. Lets face it you don't care how healthy we are or arnt you dislike us because of how we look simple as that!

 

If your going to be that way OK but don't try to save face and say its because of our supposed "health" issues cause its not

 

I don't think this is accurate at all. While I do not find an obese body attractive, I would never dehumanize someone based on their weight.

 

And it is about health! As well as healthcare cost! Lets be honest here, fat people do have more health problems than people at healthy weights. It's hard not to resent fat people who put a huge burden on our healthcare system. Especially when they have this "I'm a sexy curvy woman" attitude while being morbidly obese.

 

Then, they expect their insurance to cover weight loss surgery! A major expensive surgery for something that could fix for free!

 

And then there is the complaining that clothing stores don't sell clothing for "real women", that airplane seats should be bigger, that movie theaters should be more accommodating to large people, that amusement parks discriminate by not being able to accommodate very large people on rides, it just goes on and on.

 

It's that attitude that causes people to feel annoyed and resentful.

[txsilkysmoothe]

I think dating sites should not use the term "body type."

 

Why not ask "what size of clothes do you wear?"

 

Extra Small

Small

Medium

Large

Extra large

XX Large

 

[theBrokenMuse]

I would have to disagree. Clearly the fat people on the dating sites who list themselves as athletic (men) or curvy (women) are NOT happy with themselves or they would properly label themselves and be happy with it

You mean that when describing themselves they should use adjectives with negative connotations rather than positive. The reason that most fat people don't want to use the word fat is the same reason that atheists in the deep south don't want to have that label attached to them. The word fat carries a social stigma attached to it because of bigoted people that need to marginalize and demonize those who fall outside their ideologies or worldview.

 

What body positive term would be acceptable for a fat person to pick from? No matter what they did choose some schmuck would have a problem with it because this society views fat people as sub par human beings who are supposed to see themselves, especially their bodies, in a negative light.

 

rather than hijacking a label that used to describe someone in much better health

Different words can mean different things to different people. These words are not based on any actual rigid standard and as such are subjective.

 

I do agree that fat people need to take back the word fat the way that black people did with the infamous N word but fat people are going to have to get good and pissed instead of allowing blatant bigoted stereotyping and societal rejection to fill them with self-loathing and shame.

[theBrokenMuse]

And it is about health! As well as healthcare cost! Lets be honest here, fat people do have more health problems than people at healthy weights. It's hard not to resent fat people who put a huge burden on our healthcare system.

 

Yes, let's scapegoat others for the high price of insurance costs rather than the obvious problem of rampant greed among the insurance companies.

 

And then there is the complaining that clothing stores don't sell clothing for "real women", that airplane seats should be bigger, that movie theaters should be more accommodating to large people, that amusement parks discriminate by not being able to accommodate very large people on rides, it just goes on and on.

 

It's that attitude that causes people to feel annoyed and resentful.

Yes! How dare we fat ****s insist that since we exist in large numbers that there should be clothing and accomodations that we find suitable for our particular needs. How horrific! And you started out saying you DON'T dehumanize fat people? Really?

[kiss_andmakeup]

being "fat" according to some of you

 

Actually, by medical standards, you are morbidly obese (http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heightweightchart.htm). Not just "according to some of the people" here. It's great that you're comfortable and confident in your own body but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that your height to weight ratio is healthy.

 

I agree dating sites should just ask dress size (ball park, obviously, since it changes a bit from store to store). Or just eliminate that area all together and require a full-body picture.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I don't think this is accurate at all. While I do not find an obese body attractive, I would never dehumanize someone based on their weight.

 

And it is about health!

 

Really is it now? well lets see smoking is quite unhealthy and to boot its not just unhealthy to the one who smokes but to others around them a double whammy! yet I dout most who would blanetly bash "fat" people would do so to a average smoker.

 

Far as you health system argument heck im not even in the USA so im not draining your health system so dose that make me ok then or am I still a anoyance to you because im "unhealthy"? after all my unhealthilyness in no way affects you at all

 

It's that attitude that causes people to feel annoyed and resentful.

 

I know the feeling

[brainygirl]

At first this thread seriously pissed me off. If it were a thread about how ugly black people are or how gross Indians are it would have been locked and deleted. But its about dogging the overweight, which is still politically acceptable if not correct.

 

But I've figured something out.

 

The problem isn't mine (I have a weight problem, but since I don't tend to lack male attention I don't think its the huge problem these people have)

 

The problem is the posters. They work SO hard to look good, and lets face it, they do. The spend hours and dollars makings sure they look just right. And they aren't wonderously happy, they don't have fantasy sex lives, they still struggle with happiness, faith, friendship and finances.

 

I have a very fit, health nut of a friend. She runs several times a week and eats like I wish I did. She also has never, ever said word one about my weight or body. She shops with me and tells me she is frankly envious of my boobs (she is what we call "all bra" up top).

 

She works out because its her stress relief. She tells me thats the only reason she does it.

 

The people posting these ugly things about ugly people, are only revealing themselves to be the ugly ones.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Actually, by medical standards, you are morbidly obese (http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heightweightchart.htm). Not just "according to some of the people" here. It's great that you're comfortable and confident in your own body but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that your height to weight ratio is healthy.

 

I agree dating sites should just ask dress size (ball park, obviously, since it changes a bit from store to store). Or just eliminate that area all together and require a full-body picture.

 

Its not the dating sites fault overweight women should be able to call themselves what ever we like and so should every other person on dating sites. At the end of the day if I wanna list myself as anorexic thats my busness!

 

No one tells you to date me or even click on my profile for christ sake. Besides if they list a current pic thats usually the 1st thing you see before you even click on a dating site profile so if what you see isent to your liking then just move on its easy no?

 

On those charts anyone above a size 6 is considered fat. They want us all to be size zero and being a black woman this won't happen.

 

If your happy with yourself newwave dont let any one make you feel otherwise

[aerogurl87]

On those charts anyone above a size 6 is considered fat. They want us all to be size zero and being a black woman this won't happen.

 

Not true, I work with a black girl whose a size 0 and I'm black and a size 6, sometimes a 4. It all comes down to what your lifestyle is like. Yeah some people are naturally bigger than others, which is fine if you can't help it. But some people it's obvious they just don't care and they CAN help how overweight they are.

[kiss_andmakeup]

At first this thread seriously pissed me off. If it were a thread about how ugly black people are or how gross Indians are it would have been locked and deleted. But its about dogging the overweight, which is still politically acceptable if not correct.

 

But I've figured something out.

 

The problem isn't mine (I have a weight problem, but since I don't tend to lack male attention I don't think its the huge problem these people have)

 

The problem is the posters. They work SO hard to look good, and lets face it, they do. The spend hours and dollars makings sure they look just right. And they aren't wonderously happy, they don't have fantasy sex lives, they still struggle with happiness, faith, friendship and finances.

 

I have a very fit, health nut of a friend. She runs several times a week and eats like I wish I did. She also has never, ever said word one about my weight or body. She shops with me and tells me she is frankly envious of my boobs (she is what we call "all bra" up top).

 

She works out because its her stress relief. She tells me thats the only reason she does it.

 

The people posting these ugly things about ugly people, are only revealing themselves to be the ugly ones.

 

I don't think anyone has said anything "ugly" about overweight people...the name of the thread isn't "fat people are gross." The original point of the thread was people misrepresenting themselves online. Your examples equating the title of the thread to saying "Indian people are gross," or "Black people are ugly," are not quite correct. The only similar scenario I can come up with is if someone were to misrepresent their ethnicity on a dating website (i.e. a black person selecting the "caucasian" box or vice versa).

 

I admit though that I've stayed out of most of it so I may have missed something.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Not true, I work with a black girl whose a size 0 and I'm black and a size 6, sometimes a 4. It all comes down to what your lifestyle is like. Yeah some people are naturally bigger than others, which is fine if you can't help it. But some people it's obvious they just don't care and they CAN help how overweight they are.

 

But what if were ok with how we are what if we don't want to change who we are? why must we change ourselves just to gain basic human respect in most cases?

[brainygirl]

I don't think anyone has said anything "ugly" about overweight people...the name of the thread isn't "fat people are gross." The original point of the thread was people misrepresenting themselves online. Your examples equating the title of the thread to saying "Indian people are gross," or "Black people are ugly," are not quite correct. The only similar scenario I can come up with is if someone were to misrepresent their ethnicity on a dating website (i.e. a black person selecting the "caucasian" box or vice versa).

 

I admit though that I've stayed out of most of it so I may have missed something.

 

Because implying people who don't label themselves in a way you approve of isn't at all insulting . . . .

 

Look a few pages back and you will see a lot of discussion of how fat women don't look good at all . . . .

 

If I said "black men don't look good at all" and started a whole thread about it I'd have the entire forum up my ass and probably be banned.

[sally4sara]

I too am tired of thinking of myself as having an average body type while fat people claim to be average in body type.

 

But there is something to be said of unrealistic standards and the struggle to meet them. It isn't just a female struggle either. Not every guy is born to have the broad shouldered V shaped torso, cute butt, decent sized penis, lanky limbs, and standing at at least 5'11" with a full head of hair until at least age 40.

Think Mike Myers of Austin Powers fame. Tell him he just needs to diet and work out more because he isn't fat, but never has nor ever will look like a Brad Pitt.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Women... Chubby chasers like "curvy"(read fat) chicks. They are the only ones who seem to truly like it and it IS a FETISH for them. No matter what anyone else tells you(especially other women) most men DONT LIKE any extra pounds... A lot of men SETTLE for it but they would certainly prefer skinny and attractive to "curvy"...

 

There is NO SUCH THING as a Big Beautiful Woman(BBW). That is the truth no matter how many fat women tell you otherwise.

 

Im not trolling. I, personally, am DISGUSTED by fat people... Like I actually hate them for no real reason. I accept that my level of disgust is way over the top and that my feelings about fat people are bordering on being a real issue for me... But what I said was true. Guys SETTLE for fat chicks. Im not saying that all of us prefer stick figures but I am saying that none of us prefer the "curvy" girl over the fit girl. Its the truth.... Well, in all cases except for the chubby chasers like I already mentioned.

 

Now espec, did you have anything to say about the topic or are YOU just trolling?

 

This kind of gets to the heart of it all.... Curvy which is hot stopped meaning curvy and now means FAT WOMEN ARE HOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CURVY!... no Curvy women are Curvy... Fat women are just fat

 

I don't think anyone has said anything "ugly" about overweight people....

 

Those are just a few little tid bits of ugliness ive found in just the 1st few pages

[kiss_andmakeup]

Because implying people who don't label themselves in a way you approve of isn't at all insulting . . . .

 

Look a few pages back and you will see a lot of discussion of how fat women don't look good at all . . . .

 

If I said "black men don't look good at all" and started a whole thread about it I'd have the entire forum up my ass and probably be banned.

 

I guess to some people it goes a little bit deeper than that. For example, I would have trouble dating a very overweight person, for the same reason I would have trouble dating a heavy smoker. I see it as self-destructive behaviour.

 

My only point in the post that you quoted was that the original point of this thread wasn't to bash overweight people. The people who have are probably better off ignored, especially if you're happy, healthy and comfortable with yourself.

[Jersey Shortie]

Induglence in food in wrong because you become a great big fatty...but indulgence in porn is great becaue it makes you AIM to be more like the type of women *I* deserve!

 

Sincerely,

 

Most Men

[brainygirl]

I guess to some people it goes a little bit deeper than that. For example, I would have trouble dating a very overweight person, for the same reason I would have trouble dating a heavy smoker. I see it as self-destructive behaviour.

 

My only point in the post that you quoted was that the original point of this thread wasn't to bash overweight people. The people who have are probably better off ignored, especially if you're happy, healthy and comfortable with yourself.

 

I am well aware that I am fat, and certainly not happy with it, as two generations of my female relatives have died from stroke or complications of diabetes. I have taken active steps to not be fat. And have met with a frustrating lack of success.

 

So to read crap like "you are lazy and there is not excuse" or "its self destructive behavior" (being fat is a behavior now? I thought it was a complicated interrelationship of body chemistry, genetics, diet, activity level and stress levels) is insulting. I work hard in my life, both earning money and in taking care of my children and myself. To look at my body and sniff "lazy" is a pure insult. Its just as bad as looking as someone with dark skin and saying "dirty".

 

Are some very fat people lazy and could do more to eat better and move more? Yes. Is that an observation that can be applied to all fat people? No. Just like all slim people are not anorexic and certainly just like all dark skinned people are not hygienically challenged.

[kiss_andmakeup]

I am well aware that I am fat, and certainly not happy with it, as two generations of my female relatives have died from stroke or complications of diabetes. I have taken active steps to not be fat. And have met with a frustrating lack of success.

 

So to read crap like "you are lazy and there is not excuse" or "its self destructive behavior" (being fat is a behavior now? I thought it was a complicated interrelationship of body chemistry, genetics, diet, activity level and stress levels) is insulting. I work hard in my life, both earning money and in taking care of my children and myself. To look at my body and sniff "lazy" is a pure insult. Its just as bad as looking as someone with dark skin and saying "dirty".

 

Are some very fat people lazy and could do more to eat better and move more? Yes. Is that an observation that can be applied to all fat people? No. Just like all slim people are not anorexic and certainly just like all dark skinned people are not hygienically challenged.

 

I do believe that I said I would have trouble dating a very overweight person because I consider being that overweight to be self destructive. Very few people become morbidly obese simply because of body chemistry. And actually, I said nothing at all about laziness, and certainly nothing about applying a stigma to all overweight people in general. I am just offering perspective, and considering that I've been one of the least hostile or judgemental posters here, I'm not sure why you're directing all of this anger at me.

[brainygirl]

I do believe that I said I would have trouble dating a very overweight person because I consider being that overweight to be self destructive. Very few people become morbidly obese simply because of body chemistry. And actually, I said nothing at all about laziness, and certainly nothing about applying a stigma to all overweight people in general. I am just offering perspective, and considering that I've been one of the least hostile or judgemental posters here, I'm not sure why you're directing all of this anger at me.

 

Probably because you think my okcupid profile should look like this:

 

Fatty seeks same!

 

Hi, I'm Brainy! I have a great job and three great kids! I enjoy hiking, bike riding, and playing with my silly dog.

 

I am looking for a serious long term relationship.

 

Before you go any further, please be aware that I AM FAT!

 

Yup, I wear a size sixteen. My bust size is 36 DD and I look horrible in a thong.

 

Full body shots taken in the dressing room at old navy (horrible lighting there) to follow. Click at your own risk!

 

Right, that's a realistic thing to demand of others.

 

Or, people can realize that there are all sorts of body types out there. And while some are "healthier" than others and some are "more attractive" than others, there is more to a person than their weight.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Probably because you think my okcupid profile should look like this:

 

Fatty seeks same!

 

Hi, I'm Brainy! I have a great job and three great kids! I enjoy hiking, bike riding, and playing with my silly dog.

 

I am looking for a serious long term relationship.

 

Before you go any further, please be aware that I AM FAT!

 

Yup, I wear a size sixteen. My bust size is 36 DD and I look horrible in a thong.

 

Full body shots taken in the dressing room at old navy (horrible lighting there) to follow. Click at your own risk!

 

Right, that's a realistic thing to demand of others.

 

Or, people can realize that there are all sorts of body types out there. And while some are "healthier" than others and some are "more attractive" than others, there is more to a person than their weight.

 

I think you took kiss the wrong way brainy sure there are those kinda people around like she said shes been rather tame on the subject and after all we dont like to be attacked so lets not do it to others it makes us just as bad as them then