When did Curvy Start meaning Fat?

[reddog4321]

 

I agree dating sites should just ask dress size (ball park, obviously, since it changes a bit from store to store). Or just eliminate that area all together and require a full-body picture.

 

 

That is a brilliant idea with the dress sizes (although that doesn't help women with the fat men, maybe shirt size?).

 

But there is a trick to the full body picture. It is where they are laying down with their face closest to the camera and feet furthest away, you can sort of see the full body but not really. I wonder if fat guys have a similar trick:(

[Blade Runner]

I agree on that full body requirement.

 

I think it's stupid that so many fake themselves up on a dating profile. I've seen things from face only shots to hide the body, to extreme high angle shots to show clevage and not much else, to completely photoshopped ones, to bald guys wearing hats, black and white "artistic" shots with touchups to make them seem better looking, etc.

 

I just think if you're gonna do internet dating - post a face, post a full body, and make it recent. That's only fair. If you don't like your weight, then instead of covering it up, try and do something about it.

 

Same goes for guys making all their photos slightly low angle so they seem taller, then adding 2 inches to their heights. This is just stupid. You'll meet in real life, she might be wearing heels and your whole illusion will be lost.

 

Curvy is pretty clear in my mind. It means a woman has cuves. She's not overweight, she looks healthy, at the same time she's not stick thin. I don't know if people should really even describe themselves online with these labels because we all have different ideas. And it is a fact that people like to use ones that might not be true.

 

Personally if I was going to go dating, I'd be after a skinny girl, or slightly curvy. That's just me. I'm a skinny guy, so why not. Girls can pick and choose based on height, race, muscle, weight, etc too.

Edited June 28, 2010 by Blade Runner

[SpanksTheMonkey]

Look don't bring other threads into this it gets old. As for big women I'm aloud to feel the way I do.

 

 

 

I am overmyself. Look its not my intention to make you feel bad about yourself or upset you ect...

 

I do realize that starting a thread "When did Curvy Start meaning Fat?" could upset people. I wanted to ask the question. If you don't like it I sugest you unsubscribe to the thread.

 

Plenty of men love BBW as they are called... I don't ok. I also don't enjoy the fact that words that used to be describing one thing have changed in meaning... thats all this thread is really about. its DECEPTIVE. although not realy since most people should spot it comming these days.

 

Let me guess you dident think calling overweight women blobs would upset anyone eather or did you just not expect anyone to actualy call you out on it? big difference.

 

I don't have to unsubscribe green I have just as much right to add my opinion as you do! Long as we both can do it in a mutually respectful way like adults I see no issue.

 

No one said you have to love bbw did I say that? no I didn't you said a nasty degrading comment and got called out on it simple.

 

Sure your allowed to feel any way you like but when you chose to openly degrade others simply because "your allowed to" be prepared for them to defend themselves cause im allowed to do that as well after all.

 

Look I understand people make mistakes green fair enough maybe hopefully next time you may think just a little more before you speak how would those comments make you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? ya know what I mean

[Green]

I agree on that full body requirement.

 

I think it's stupid that so many fake themselves up on a dating profile. I've seen things from face only shots to hide the body, to extreme high angle shots to show clevage and not much else, to completely photoshopped ones, to bald guys wearing hats, black and white "artistic" shots with touchups to make them seem better looking, etc.

 

I just think if you're gonna do internet dating - post a face, post a full body, and make it recent. That's only fair. If you don't like your weight, then instead of covering it up, try and do something about it.

 

Same goes for guys making all their photos slightly low angle so they seem taller, then adding 2 inches to their heights. This is just stupid. You'll meet in real life, she might be wearing heels and your whole illusion will be lost.

 

Curvy is pretty clear in my mind. It means a woman has cuves. She's not overweight, she looks healthy, at the same time she's not stick thin. I don't know if people should really even describe themselves online with these labels because we all have different ideas. And it is a fact that people like to use ones that might not be true.

 

Personally if I was going to go dating, I'd be after a skinny girl, or slightly curvy. That's just me. I'm a skinny guy, so why not. Girls can pick and choose based on height, race, muscle, weight, etc too.

 

I guess that really is the best advice, thin, curvy and all these other words really do mean different things to different people and a description a lone with out accurate pictures does no good.

 

I just feel like people are constantly making Beyonce for instance sound like a BBW by the way they talk about her. I'm so lost these days by the way people view the female body.

 

 

Let me guess you dident think calling overweight women blobs would upset anyone eather or did you just not expect anyone to actualy call you out on it? big difference.

 

I don't have to unsubscribe green I have just as much right to add my opinion as you do! Long as we both can do it in a mutually respectful way like adults I see no issue.

 

No one said you have to love bbw did I say that? no I didn't you said a nasty degrading comment and got called out on it simple.

 

Sure your allowed to feel any way you like but when you chose to openly degrade others simply because "your allowed to" be prepared for them to defend themselves cause im allowed to do that as well after all.

 

Look I understand people make mistakes green fair enough maybe hopefully next time you may think just a little more before you speak how would those comments make you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? ya know what I mean

 

You have me on the blob comment but it still doesn't change some of the nasty things you said.

[aerogurl87]

I agree on that full body requirement.

 

I think it's stupid that so many fake themselves up on a dating profile. I've seen things from face only shots to hide the body, to extreme high angle shots to show clevage and not much else, to completely photoshopped ones, to bald guys wearing hats, black and white "artistic" shots with touchups to make them seem better looking, etc.

 

I just think if you're gonna do internet dating - post a face, post a full body, and make it recent. That's only fair. If you don't like your weight, then instead of covering it up, try and do something about it.

 

Same goes for guys making all their photos slightly low angle so they seem taller, then adding 2 inches to their heights. This is just stupid. You'll meet in real life, she might be wearing heels and your whole illusion will be lost.

 

Curvy is pretty clear in my mind. It means a woman has cuves. She's not overweight, she looks healthy, at the same time she's not stick thin. I don't know if people should really even describe themselves online with these labels because we all have different ideas. And it is a fact that people like to use ones that might not be true.

 

Personally if I was going to go dating, I'd be after a skinny girl, or slightly curvy. That's just me. I'm a skinny guy, so why not. Girls can pick and choose based on height, race, muscle, weight, etc too.

 

I agree with this post 100%. Why lie when the truth will come out eventually? I think people are under this illusion that if the person falls in love with their "personality" looks won't matter in the end. Well this isn't Shrek or a fairytale. This is the real world and everyone is shallow to some extent with their preferences, I don't care who you are. Don't lie in the pictures and come honest or don't come at all.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

I guess that really is the best advice, thin, curvy and all these other words really do mean different things to different people and a description a lone with out accurate pictures does no good.

 

I just feel like people are constantly making Beyonce for instance sound like a BBW by the way they talk about her. I'm so lost these days by the way people view the female body.

 

 

 

You have me on the blob comment but it still doesn't change some of the nasty things you said.

 

Well let me apologize if I hurt you with anything I said green I assure you thats not in my nature as you can see if you look back thu my time here on LS.

 

The sad ironic thing is I actually agree that people shouldn't misrepresent themselves on dating sites doesn't it suck when ignorance drives a wedge between people who other wise have the same views?

[reddog4321]

How did all these over weight people get on this thread? Do they troll around looking for threads that they perceive might bash over weight people?

 

This is a thread about the use of the word curvy and other descriptions on the dating sites. Green posted a valid assessment that these terms have changed dramatically, with people, who perhaps just a decade ago would have been described as obese, are now using adjectives that were used to describe much healthier people (e.g. athletic, curvy, even "average" as Green pointed out now includes many overweight people).

 

My point has been that this is not a good sign for our obesity EPIDEMIC. That people who are afflicted with obesity, rather than actively trying to correct the issue, are actively deluding themselves (and others on dating sites) that they are "normal", that they are athletic, average, or curvy.

 

It is a very valid set of points.

[reddog4321]

I agree with this post 100%. Why lie when the truth will come out eventually? I think people are under this illusion that if the person falls in love with their "personality" looks won't matter in the end. Well this isn't Shrek or a fairytale. This is the real world and everyone is shallow to some extent with their preferences, I don't care who you are. Don't lie in the pictures and come honest or don't come at all.

 

Yup, I absolutely get that also. People think that they might be able "trick" a potential mate long enough that they will eventually "like them for what is inside". Of course we will like our mate for "what is inside" but physical attraction is a very large component of any relationship. Anyone who doesn't think so is deluded.

[SpanksTheMonkey]

How did all these over weight people get on this thread? Do they troll around looking for threads that they perceive might bash over weight people?

 

This is a thread about the use of the word curvy and other descriptions on the dating sites. Green posted a valid assessment that these terms have changed dramatically, with people, who perhaps just a decade ago would have been described as obese, are now using adjectives that were used to describe much healthier people (e.g. athletic, curvy, even "average" as Green pointed out now includes many overweight people).

 

My point has been that this is not a good sign for our obesity EPIDEMIC. That people who are afflicted with obesity, rather than actively trying to correct the issue, are actively deluding themselves (and others on dating sites) that they are "normal", that they are athletic, average, or curvy.

 

It is a very valid set of points.

 

I never trolled any thread on LS ever! im not going to keep getting into this I made my point quite clear I believe and any one with half a open mind would see what that point was.

[theBrokenMuse]

Look you were the one who said "most of the time this is a complete non-issue as no one really minds, except in cases such as these."

 

So I replied to that by pointing out plenty of people in this thread alone are disagreeing with you.

 

Do you have that much of an ego that you think nothing else matters but what you think?

 

Your reading comprehension needs work. To clarify what I said: Most of the time the fact that some words (just words in general) can and do evolve tends not to bother people EXCEPT in cases such as this. The only reason that that people would give a damn about fat women using those phrases are for the reasons I listed earlier in this thread. The fact that other people may agree with your perception is completely irrelevant not because of my ego but because it is a well known logical fallacy called the appeal to popularity.

[Green]

Your reading comprehension needs work. To clarify what I said: Most of the time the fact that some words (just words in general) can and do evolve tends not to bother people EXCEPT in cases such as this. The only reason that that people would give a damn about fat women using those phrases are for the reasons I listed earlier in this thread. The fact that other people may agree with your perception is completely irrelevant not because of my ego but because it is a well known logical fallacy called the appeal to popularity.

 

Your logical fallacy comes from the fact that popularity of the use of a words/terms ect IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. Fix your reading comprehension ego muse.

[theBrokenMuse]

How did all these over weight people get on this thread? Do they troll around looking for threads that they perceive might bash over weight people?

 

Would you call it 'trolling' if it were people of a certain race, sexual preference or religious affiliation that responded to a thread in which they felt maligned? How did all these overweight people get on this thread? Perhaps because they are members of this site too. Do you realize how ridiculous you sound even asking such a question?

[gamma1]

How did all these over weight people get on this thread? Do they troll around looking for threads that they perceive might bash over weight people?

 

This is a thread about the use of the word curvy and other descriptions on the dating sites. Green posted a valid assessment that these terms have changed dramatically, with people, who perhaps just a decade ago would have been described as obese, are now using adjectives that were used to describe much healthier people (e.g. athletic, curvy, even "average" as Green pointed out now includes many overweight people).

 

My point has been that this is not a good sign for our obesity EPIDEMIC. That people who are afflicted with obesity, rather than actively trying to correct the issue, are actively deluding themselves (and others on dating sites) that they are "normal", that they are athletic, average, or curvy.

 

It is a very valid set of points.

I've never seen a group of people bashed and viciously attacked as much as overweight women. Things like "body type" and dress size are ridiculous questions. I look at the pictures and the rest of her profile to decide if I'm interested. If someone posts a deceptive picture, it will take all of one date to figure that out. Physically beautfiful women come in many shapes and sized IMO.

[theBrokenMuse]

Your logical fallacy comes from the fact that popularity of the use of a words/terms ect IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. Fix your reading comprehension ego muse.

 

It's not *my* logical fallacy, it is a philosophical logical fallacy - as in flawed argument. The popular usage of the words described has nothing to do with how you tried to argue that because you can point to many other people that think the same way about something, your argument has more validity. That's not logically sound. My reading comprehension is fine but thanks for keeping it sharp with that little bait and switch you tried to pull

[theBrokenMuse]

I've never seen a group of people bashed and viciously attacked as much as overweight women.

Lots of marginalized groups have been treated with the same lack of respect through out history unfortunately. I think it just stands out so much more prominently now as it's quickly becoming one of the last acceptable prejudices.

[Green]

It's not *my* logical fallacy, it is a philosophical logical fallacy - as in flawed argument. The popular usage of the words described has nothing to do with how you tried to argue that because you can point to many other people that think the same way about something, your argument has more validity. That's not logically sound. My reading comprehension is fine but thanks for keeping it sharp with that little bait and switch you tried to pull

 

Your arguements are all about YOU and YOUR EMOTION and have nothing to do with LOGIC.

 

My arguement is about the popular usage of the word YOU seem to be the ONLY person who doesn't UNDERSTAND THAT.

[gamma1]

Lots of marginalized groups have been treated with the same lack of respect through out history unfortunately. I think it just stands out so much more prominently now as it's quickly becoming one of the last acceptable prejudices.

That's a good point. It's just unbeleievable the number of baseless attacks that I've seen against overweight women. It's to the point that I expect fellow males to call me a liar for daring to even say that I find many overweight women physically attractive.

 

If some men don't find women of a certain size attractive, then they should not date them, but that doesn't seem to beenough to satisfy them.

[reddog4321]

I've never seen a group of people bashed and viciously attacked as much as overweight women. Things like "body type" and dress size are ridiculous questions. I look at the pictures and the rest of her profile to decide if I'm interested. If someone posts a deceptive picture, it will take all of one date to figure that out. Physically beautfiful women come in many shapes and sized IMO.

 

I completely agree it is as easy as you are saying to determine if someone is deceptive. The point of the thread is to discuss the meaning of the terms and not to bash heavy people. That's what these blogs are for, to discuss sometimes ridiculous things and see the wealth of opinons concerning them. It did get a litte bashy after the heavy people showed up and started the fur flying. There's been plenty of groups of people bashed and viciously attacked as much or more than overweight women. Plenty of people.

 

And again this is a health and society issue. I have a daughter and I don't want her to grow up to think being 5' something and 200lbs is "normal". I want her to think it is unhealthy so, you know, she'll manage her health and live a long healthy life. This movement to redefine obesity as "normal" and "beautiful" and other pleasent terms threatens this.

[theBrokenMuse]

Your arguements are all about YOU and YOUR EMOTION and have nothing to do with LOGIC.

 

My arguement is about the popular usage of the word YOU seem to be the ONLY person who doesn't UNDERSTAND THAT.

 

So, Nothing I wrote has anything to do with logic? Then please by all means go back in this thread and without paraphrasing, pinpoint how what I have written is logically unsound.

 

However, this is the second time you have pulled a bait and switch and I am not sure if you really don't understand what I was responding to but I specifically quoted and responded to the following statement of yours and called it an appeal to popularity:

 

'I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way as plenty of people have come on and agreed with me. '

 

You took what I said about the statement above and applied it to the general theme of your original posting.

 

'My arguement is about the popular usage of the word.'

 

Those are two completely separate things and if you continue to try and play it off as though they are one and the same, you are only going to make yourself look intellectually dishonest.

[Green]

That's a good point. It's just unbeleievable the number of baseless attacks that I've seen against overweight women. It's to the point that I expect fellow males to call me a liar for daring to even say that I find many overweight women physically attractive.

 

If some men don't find women of a certain size attractive, then they should not date them, but that doesn't seem to beenough to satisfy them.

 

I don't think you are a liar... I started this thread because of another thread made by a MAN.

 

Get over yourself dude, I'm not going to come up to you or a woman you are dating and put any one down for how they look... But I'm more then entitled to make this thread and talk about the ammount of DECEPTION/word play photo play ect. that goes on around sugar coating obesity.

[reddog4321]

That's a good point. It's just unbeleievable the number of baseless attacks that I've seen against overweight women. It's to the point that I expect fellow males to call me a liar for daring to even say that I find many overweight women physically attractive.

 

If some men don't find women of a certain size attractive, then they should not date them, but that doesn't seem to beenough to satisfy them.

 

There is nothing wrong with liking overweight women, there are probably many men who do. And in fact, if you are lucky enough that your tastes are that way, you pretty much have your choice, so that is even better. But that isn't what this thread is about.

[Green]

So, Nothing I wrote has anything to do with logic? Then please by all means go back in this thread and without paraphrasing, pinpoint how what I have written is logically unsound.

 

However, this is the second time you have pulled a bait and switch and I am not sure if you really don't understand what I was responding to but I specifically quoted and responded to the following statement of yours and called it an appeal to popularity:

 

'I'm obviously not the only one who feels this way as plenty of people have come on and agreed with me. '

 

You took what I said about the statement above and applied it to the general theme of your original posting.

 

'My arguement is about the popular usage of the word.'

 

Those are two completely separate things and if you continue to try and play it off as though they are one and the same, you are only going to make yourself look intellectually dishonest.

 

Those two quotes were not completly connected. You've force be to go back 5 pages to find what I quoted when I said other people agree with me...

 

Secondly, most of the time this is a complete non-issue as no one really minds, except in cases such as these.

 

This was what I was writing about not being the only person who feels it is an issue... You write it off as a non-issue... I'm saying IT IS AN ISSUE AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE AGREEING...

 

GET OVER YOURSELF. You relize how superior you think you are. You don't even conversate, you just try to disguise you insults and emotions as logic.

 

You are actualy quite sensless and incapable of anylyzing anything I write as all you do is insult my reading comprehension and try to point out flaws in my logic.

 

IS IT THAT ILOGICAL TO NOT FIND FAT WOMEN SHAPELY... DO YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT OR ARE YOU JUST PRETENDING.

[reddog4321]

At first this thread seriously pissed me off. If it were a thread about how ugly black people are or how gross Indians are it would have been locked and deleted. But its about dogging the overweight, which is still politically acceptable if not correct.

 

But I've figured something out.

 

The problem isn't mine (I have a weight problem, but since I don't tend to lack male attention I don't think its the huge problem these people have)

 

The problem is the posters. They work SO hard to look good, and lets face it, they do. The spend hours and dollars makings sure they look just right. And they aren't wonderously happy, they don't have fantasy sex lives, they still struggle with happiness, faith, friendship and finances.

 

I have a very fit, health nut of a friend. She runs several times a week and eats like I wish I did. She also has never, ever said word one about my weight or body. She shops with me and tells me she is frankly envious of my boobs (she is what we call "all bra" up top).

 

She works out because its her stress relief. She tells me thats the only reason she does it.

 

The people posting these ugly things about ugly people, are only revealing themselves to be the ugly ones.

 

This is not quite true, thinner people tend to be more successful, we know they are healthier, and they tend to have more fullfilling relationships. It is probably just because they take the bull by the horns rather than just let things go.

[Green]

This is not quite true, thinner people tend to be more successful, we know they are healthier, and they tend to have more fullfilling relationships. It is probably just because they take the bull by the horns rather than just let things go.

 

I'll agree with this.

[reddog4321]

The tables are going to turn. Soon we'll hit the magic 50% of USA is obese, most of the members of congress will be obese so the power will shift. Then we'll be complaining that the dating sites will have pejoritive terms for fit people like "emaciated" or "partially wasted away":eek: Of course then,we might become like gods as we'll have "freaky" lifespans of up to 100 yrs old while the the "normal" obese people will be kicking it in the late 30's.

Edited June 28, 2010 by reddog4321
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