I prefer the way skinny women look.

[NoLongerSad]

This thread reminds me of The Sense of Beauty. Because if only everyone had just read it, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

 

 

Read it, will you?

 

So, your point is that Santayana was a chubby chaser?

[Yvette_Sveden]

Beauty is such a touchy subject that oftentimes people are not honest about it. This makes sense because people do not want to be seen as unattractive. I'm not saying it's everyone's goal in life to be a beauty queen or a hot stud, but still they don't want to be seen as unattractive. We even come up with nonsensical phrases such as "everyone is beautiful in their own way" to try to avoid the fact that there are people that are not that attractive. For most people (again, I said MOST people), being tall is more desireable than being short. But we don't say something as ridiculous as "everyone is tall in their own way." We know that some people are short, and we accept that fact.

 

When speaking of money (and money only), most people would prefer being rich over being poor. But we don't say that everyone is rich in their own way. Again, I said money as in money only. But why is it that when it comes to beauty we want to stretch it out so that it includes everyone? One reason is the one I mention at the beginning of this post. And that is that no one wants to be seen as unattractive. Also, it can be quite awkward to tell someone that you don't find them attractive. It's much more comfortable to say that you're not their type, or that the two of you don't click, or that there's no chemistry.

 

But there's another reason why beauty can be seen as something that's all-inclusive. That's because, unlike height and wealth, beauty is based solely on opinion. While there's no definite line as to where short ends and where tall begins, we can all agree that an adult who stands 7 ft. is tall, and an adult who stands only 4 ft. is short (if we base it on the average height of the population).

 

There is no other way to determine beauty other than opinion. That's why there's the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Because we all behold things and decide for ourselves wether we think the person is beautiful. Nobody tells us what we think is attractive. I'm not saying that people's preference are not influenced by outisde forces. But that's not the same thing as people telling you what you should find attractive. You decide that for yourself. If you don't find Beetlejuice (from Howard Stern) attractive, no amount of reasoning or telling you why should find him attractive is going to make you find him attractive. People like what they like, and they don't like what they don't like.

 

But if beauty is based solely on opinion, then technically, wouldn't everybody be beautiful? Because, except for the most extreme cases, most people would be able to find somebody attractive. Or at least find them attractive enough to be with them. Technically, that is true. But still, there are people who would never make the cover of a magazine if it was based SOLELY on their looks. So how does that happen? If everybody just needs one person to say they're beautiful to be considered beautiful, then why are some people exculded from being beautiful? It's because even though beauty is determined only by opinion, there is such a thing as POPULAR opinion. And by "popular opinion," we mean the opinion that MOST people hold, or the opinion held by the largest group of people. It's not necessary for EVERY SINGLE PERSON on Earth to find a certain person attractive in order for that person to be considered universally attractive. It's only necessary for MOST people to find that person attractive. So if you don't find Marisa Miller attractive, it really doesn't matter because of the popular vote. And the popular vote says that she is.

 

On the flip side, it is not necessary for everyone in the world to find a certain person unattractive for them to be considered universally unattractive because, in the case of most people, they'll at least have their mothers to say they're attractive. So for the one or two people who may find the unattractive person attractive, does not negate the millions (or even billions) of people who think they're unattractive.

 

The popular vote is what makes some people ugly, some people beautiful, and most people just average. Also, most people (if they're honest) would know how attractive they are based on the reaction they get from other people to their looks.

 

So some people are going to be excluded from being beautiful, based on popular opinion. But aside from that, everybody cannot be beautiful because if everyone is beautiful, then the word beautiful has no meaning. The reason that we have words that describe is because there are going to be people (or things) to which that word does not apply. If every man in the world were a king, and every woman a queen, then there would be no need for either one of those words. The reason we have the word summer is because there are other seasons. The reason we have the word day is because sometimes it's not day time. The reason we have the word female is because other people are male. And the reason we have the word beautiful is because some people are NOT.

 

I know the media does play a role on what's considered beautiful. But even if there were no media, there will still be a popular opinion, and that popular opinion is going to exclude some people. There is no way to establish a standard that's going to include everybody.

 

Life is not kindergarten where everyone is going to get a turn. This is real life, where some people get multiple chances while others get none.

 

 

Yvette from Sweden

[Green]

I prefer women with more on them, not skinny girls. Just me though.

 

Well then you're a lucky man because in our society you have plenty to choose from.

 

Haha this seriously cracked me up. NoLongerSad thanks

 

 

You're becoming less and less credible with each post, Green. And coming off less and less like a grown up man.

 

In fact, the FACT is that well educated people automatically spell correctly as well as write proper sentences; those are by-products of their good education. People don't write well because they are "worried" about "ever ones" opinion. It's just part of a well educated person.

 

I am not going to look back months and months, but I remember reading a post of yours a long time ago where you claimed that successful people didn't have to read or write well; they had their secretaries for that. I laughed.

 

Green, that really reminds me of some lame thing a kid will say to his mommy who is nagging him to do his homework - a little kid who has no idea about the requirements for success in the real world.

 

Clearly, there is the odd savant who is so amazing at what they do that they bypassed all the basics. You are not that person.

 

Again, your presumption that you "possess an ability to read and write on a higher level than the people complaining" makes me chuckle. Little boy, nobody who possesses the ability to write well actually writes like a 6th grader. Just does NOT happen. And the presumption that you KNOW what others' abilities are goes hand in hand with your presumption that there is something wrong with people who like what you don't - unskinny women.

 

You present yourself very precisely like a young guy, maybe in middle or early high school, who has internalized every message flung his way via television, Maxim, and other media, and who absolutely defines himself through that filter without questioning it at all.

 

It would be interested to hear how you deal with life as you grow up and become an adult man. You might be in for some tough lessons.

 

I consider myself more mature then you babe. Go back to kindergarten if you want to believe every one is beautiful and every one is a winner ect.

 

What lessons would those be?

 

That fat women are actually sexy?

 

Even if he did learn that lesson, why do you think it would be a "tough" one?

 

Yes they want me to say that there is no such think as ugly women because some guy would **** any one.

 

This thread reminds me of The Sense of Beauty. Because if only everyone had just read it, this thread wouldn't exist.

 

 

 

Read it, will you?

 

Well this thread does exist and I havn't read the book but I would still find thin women better looking then fat ones.

 

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How do skinny women prefer the way you look?

 

I don't care what skinny women think of me I like them and only have to please one my gf lol

 

Yes, I have to agree with you. I also believe green to be a young teenager. Clearly, he watches too much TV. I wonder what would have happened if he had been alive during Carl Sagan's TV show; would green eventually come up here and claim to have Sagan's education?

 

Because Sagan's show was so admired?

 

Another thing that surprises is(don't know if he did say this and I'm not going to read his previous posts) is how quick he changes his own appearance; first he was much above the 6 feet mark, now he's only 6'2''.

 

Green Latern, buddy, 2 inches is not "much more than 6 feet".

 

Maybe in 20 years what the TV sees as beauty will change. Who knows. Maybe guys with a beer belly will be the hot new thing, here comes green; " I have a huge beer belly!"

 

 

I said more then 6'2. But good job trying to personaly attack me on my age and height because it has nothing to do with anything.

 

But then about 2/3 of the population will be considered beautiful.

 

They want 100% of the population to be considered beautiful. The fact is I'm hitting a cord because so many women these days have extra weight and to say that it doesn't look great is blasphemy to them.

 

Speaking of TV shows. Ever seen that episode of South Park, the world of warcraft one? Season ten, episode eight.

 

For some reason you remind me of the female (if in fact that is what you are) version of Cartman in that episode. Classic, I highly recommend it.

 

I give everyone the benefit of doubt, but I am seriously entertaining the idea that you are just bat**** crazy.

 

I wouldn't be suprised if that was the case. Really could go either way.

 

How very cute of you, Mr. Mysoginist .

 

Do you ever get tired of hating men?

 

Beauty is such a touchy subject that oftentimes people are not honest about it. This makes sense because people do not want to be seen as unattractive. I'm not saying it's everyone's goal in life to be a beauty queen or a hot stud, but still they don't want to be seen as unattractive. We even come up with nonsensical phrases such as "everyone is beautiful in their own way" to try to avoid the fact that there are people that are not that attractive. For most people (again, I said MOST people), being tall is more desireable than being short. But we don't say something as ridiculous as "everyone is tall in their own way." We know that some people are short, and we accept that fact.

 

When speaking of money (and money only), most people would prefer being rich over being poor. But we don't say that everyone is rich in their own way. Again, I said money as in money only. But why is it that when it comes to beauty we want to stretch it out so that it includes everyone? One reason is the one I mention at the beginning of this post. And that is that no one wants to be seen as unattractive. Also, it can be quite awkward to tell someone that you don't find them attractive. It's much more comfortable to say that you're not their type, or that the two of you don't click, or that there's no chemistry.

 

But there's another reason why beauty can be seen as something that's all-inclusive. That's because, unlike height and wealth, beauty is based solely on opinion. While there's no definite line as to where short ends and where tall begins, we can all agree that an adult who stands 7 ft. is tall, and an adult who stands only 4 ft. is short (if we base it on the average height of the population).

 

There is no other way to determine beauty other than opinion. That's why there's the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Because we all behold things and decide for ourselves wether we think the person is beautiful. Nobody tells us what we think is attractive. I'm not saying that people's preference are not influenced by outisde forces. But that's not the same thing as people telling you what you should find attractive. You decide that for yourself. If you don't find Beetlejuice (from Howard Stern) attractive, no amount of reasoning or telling you why should find him attractive is going to make you find him attractive. People like what they like, and they don't like what they don't like.

 

But if beauty is based solely on opinion, then technically, wouldn't everybody be beautiful? Because, except for the most extreme cases, most people would be able to find somebody attractive. Or at least find them attractive enough to be with them. Technically, that is true. But still, there are people who would never make the cover of a magazine if it was based SOLELY on their looks. So how does that happen? If everybody just needs one person to say they're beautiful to be considered beautiful, then why are some people exculded from being beautiful? It's because even though beauty is determined only by opinion, there is such a thing as POPULAR opinion. And by "popular opinion," we mean the opinion that MOST people hold, or the opinion held by the largest group of people. It's not necessary for EVERY SINGLE PERSON on Earth to find a certain person attractive in order for that person to be considered universally attractive. It's only necessary for MOST people to find that person attractive. So if you don't find Marisa Miller attractive, it really doesn't matter because of the popular vote. And the popular vote says that she is.

 

On the flip side, it is not necessary for everyone in the world to find a certain person unattractive for them to be considered universally unattractive because, in the case of most people, they'll at least have their mothers to say they're attractive. So for the one or two people who may find the unattractive person attractive, does not negate the millions (or even billions) of people who think they're unattractive.

 

The popular vote is what makes some people ugly, some people beautiful, and most people just average. Also, most people (if they're honest) would know how attractive they are based on the reaction they get from other people to their looks.

 

So some people are going to be excluded from being beautiful, based on popular opinion. But aside from that, everybody cannot be beautiful because if everyone is beautiful, then the word beautiful has no meaning. The reason that we have words that describe is because there are going to be people (or things) to which that word does not apply. If every man in the world were a king, and every woman a queen, then there would be no need for either one of those words. The reason we have the word summer is because there are other seasons. The reason we have the word day is because sometimes it's not day time. The reason we have the word female is because other people are male. And the reason we have the word beautiful is because some people are NOT.

 

I know the media does play a role on what's considered beautiful. But even if there were no media, there will still be a popular opinion, and that popular opinion is going to exclude some people. There is no way to establish a standard that's going to include everybody.

 

Life is not kindergarten where everyone is going to get a turn. This is real life, where some people get multiple chances while others get none.

 

 

Yvette from Sweden

 

Damn that was a sexy explenation that I can agree with especialy the part about us not being all in kindegarten. I never argued that people don't find themselves attracted to hideouse disfigured people ect... but just because some one decides to date some one doesn't make them beautiful the same as when a hot sexy single woman is single it doesn't make her ugly because no one is dating her.

 

Oh since you brought up "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" did you see that SNL skit based on the Twighlight Zone episode where the pig people unrap the girls face and she is HOt and the pig woman goes eww she is hideouse and the pig men go "shut up shes a babe" haha

 

any ways its great that some one from sweden came in whith such a great explenation for what people have been bothered this entire time when another girl claiming to be 100% swedish meatball has been bothering me this entire time.

[Green]

Do tell, what is the purpose of being obsessive - compulsive about "thin women are beautiful?"

 

Do you lack female attention that much? That any negative attention is better than no attention?

 

And honey, I don't hate men: I am simply put off by little girls with the body of a grown man(the lot of whinners and complainers we have on LS), with teenagers pretending to be adult men(you, Mr. Green Lantern) and I'm put off by the men who hate women(betamanlet, woggle, and a few others).

 

I really don't know of any guys on this site who hate women. You know I'm not a teenager but go on and try to insult me with that.

[Green]

Heh, with your hatred for women who aren't thin, I wasn't expecting you would. Being a teenager is an insult? Now I know why you pretend to be an adult male.

 

I dunno, Green Lantern. You claim to be far more attractive than the hottest male models. You claim to be college educated and I don't know what else. I think that you should really work on making believable lies.

 

I guess not everyone can be like Alan Dean Foster .

 

 

 

...and I shall shed my light over dark evil.For the dark things cannot stand the light,The light of the Green Lantern!

—Alan Scott

 

I picked the name green because I like the colour. I quote Kermit in my tag

 

I'm not insulted by anything you say but you are trying to insult me by both calling me a liar about my age and education. Saying I need to grow up and that is the reason you say I am a teenager.

 

Also you patronize me about the fact that you asked if I was attractive and yes I consider myself attractive and have a hot gf and have had no problem getting women since college. Not that it matters it was just an attempt to get me to say I'm ugly or some **** so you could some how dismiss everything I say some how.

 

So are you fat? is that why this thread upsets you so much

[Green]

Do you want a tissue to clean those tears away? No, I am not fat, you little teenager pervert. Does your mother know that you are trying to hit on; on women online?

 

 

 

Don't flatter yourself, I'm not attracted to any part of the crazy you have to offer.

[NoLongerSad]

Don't flatter yourself, I'm not attracted to any part of the crazy you have to offer.

 

But she has such a pleasant, sweet disposition. How could you turn that down?

[Lorelai]

Gee I wonder how many of these ladies hating on you are fatties themselves

 

This fattie has actually defended Green's right to be attracted to who he is attracted to and not be judged or personally attacked for it (like people asking what he looks like or asking his age).

 

I only spoke up and said something against Green when he said that the men who did prefer things other than the ladies in his first post were just deluding themselves. Because even if they may be in a minority, Green isn't living in their heads to determine why they are attracted to the non-stereotypically beautiful woman -- any more than anyone attacking Green and saying he is only superficial or a child or just wants a lady to be an arm-ornament lives inside Green's head.

 

While I am overweight, I am beautiful and I know it. I am still losing, but even when I was 70 lbs more than I am now, I still had men who thought I was attractive. They weren't insane or deluded. I just don't think it's right to presume to know what other people are thinking or feeling or why they are attracted (or not) to someone.

[theBrokenMuse]

I only spoke up and said something against Green when he said that the men who did prefer things other than the ladies in his first post were just deluding themselves. Because even if they may be in a minority, Green isn't living in their heads to determine why they are attracted to the non-stereotypically beautiful woman -- any more than anyone attacking Green and saying he is only superficial or a child or just wants a lady to be an arm-ornament lives inside Green's head.

 

While I am overweight, I am beautiful and I know it. I am still losing, but even when I was 70 lbs more than I am now, I still had men who thought I was attractive. They weren't insane or deluded. I just don't think it's right to presume to know what other people are thinking or feeling or why they are attracted (or not) to someone.

It really doesn't even matter what the reason is that they are attracted to people outside of the societal norm. It certainly doesn't make them DELUDED to like something that differs from popular opinion. People have a right to have their own priorities about what is important to them without anyone telling them that if they deviate from what is common or popular that they must be WRONG because as we all know, commonly held notions must always be right.

 

That kind of majority rules thinking is truly frightening. It's in essence saying that you should live your life dependent upon popular opinion for all your values and worldviews. I think I'll pass on that.

[Els]

You're becoming less and less credible with each post, Green. And coming off less and less like a grown up man.

 

In fact, the FACT is that well educated people automatically spell correctly as well as write proper sentences; those are by-products of their good education. People don't write well because they are "worried" about "ever ones" opinion. It's just part of a well educated person.

 

I am not going to look back months and months, but I remember reading a post of yours a long time ago where you claimed that successful people didn't have to read or write well; they had their secretaries for that. I laughed.

 

Green, that really reminds me of some lame thing a kid will say to his mommy who is nagging him to do his homework - a little kid who has no idea about the requirements for success in the real world.

 

Clearly, there is the odd savant who is so amazing at what they do that they bypassed all the basics. You are not that person.

 

Again, your presumption that you "possess an ability to read and write on a higher level than the people complaining" makes me chuckle. Little boy, nobody who possesses the ability to write well actually writes like a 6th grader. Just does NOT happen. And the presumption that you KNOW what others' abilities are goes hand in hand with your presumption that there is something wrong with people who like what you don't - unskinny women.

 

You present yourself very precisely like a young guy, maybe in middle or early high school, who has internalized every message flung his way via television, Maxim, and other media, and who absolutely defines himself through that filter without questioning it at all.

 

It would be interested to hear how you deal with life as you grow up and become an adult man. You might be in for some tough lessons.

 

Precisely. I like how he's playing the victim card and claiming to be bashed for expressing his opinion - when the majority of posters couldn't give a rat's ass whether he likes his women skinny, curvy, or furry. He's in complete denial that the problem people have with his posts is how he claims to be the God-given authority on what is objectively beautiful, and everyone else's preferences are wrong/inferior.

 

The fact that he thinks all the rest of us who utilize decent English are only able to do so because we obsessively scrutinize our grammar and spelling, is... well, I don't know whether to find it laughable, or sad. I really don't see how anyone who's been through an English medium of education (and taken it seriously enough to call himself highly-educated) could NOT be able to write fluidly and appropriately as second nature. Hell, English isn't even my first language, and all of my posts are first-draft. I definitely don't have the time to go over my posts to check them, and I doubt anyone does.

 

There are typos, accidents, and possibly laziness (not capitalizing certain words, etc) in the case of someone who dashes off a post... and then there's perpetual misspelling of only certain words or types of words, and middle school-level sentence structure, as in the case of our dear OP. Sorry, Green, but you're not fooling anyone. Your secretaries must be pretty pissed at you, though, as they'd have to completely rewrite everything you say to achieve even an acceptable level of formal prose.

 

I do agree that regardless of his level of intelligence/education, the OP has the right to like what he likes, though, and it doesn't make his preferences any less valid.

[NoLongerSad]

While I am overweight, I am beautiful and I know it. I am still losing, but even when I was 70 lbs more than I am now, I still had men who thought I was attractive. They weren't insane or deluded. I just don't think it's right to presume to know what other people are thinking or feeling or why they are attracted (or not) to someone.

 

If you are trying to lose weight then you are in fundamental agreement with Green's thesis. Otherwise you would not be trying to lose weight.

[NoLongerSad]

That kind of majority rules thinking is truly frightening. It's in essence saying that you should live your life dependent upon popular opinion for all your values and worldviews. I think I'll pass on that.

 

Is it better to live one's life trapped in an unhealthy obsession with food?

[NoLongerSad]

He's in complete denial that the problem people have with his posts is how he claims to be the God-given authority on what is objectively beautiful, and everyone else's preferences are wrong/inferior.

 

Except no one here--man or woman--has actually stated that they prefer the appearance of an unhealthy, out of shape, obese person to a slender, healthy, sexy person.

 

Basically the only people really taking issue with Green seem to be a few overweight women who have been unsuccessful in whatever efforts they have made to lose weight. They've given up trying for all intents and purposes.

[Els]

Except no one here--man or woman--has actually stated that they prefer the appearance of an unhealthy, out of shape, obese person to a slender, healthy, sexy person.

 

Basically the only people really taking issue with Green seem to be a few overweight women who have been unsuccessful in whatever efforts they have made to lose weight. They've given up trying for all intents and purposes.

 

Uh, no. Quite a few men have stated they prefer curvy women. Of course noone prefers an obese person. Nobody here is defending obese people; it's a non-issue that such people are generally considered unattractive. But there's a huge, huge range between 'skinny' and obese. In between are the people who are of a normal weight, neither skinny nor obese.

 

Green's preferences aren't 'healthy'. The celebrities he quoted as being too large are actually of a healthy weight and shape. They just aren't what he finds as attractive.

[theBrokenMuse]

Except no one here--man or woman--has actually stated that they prefer the appearance of an unhealthy, out of shape, obese person to a slender, healthy, sexy person.

It doesn't matter if someone has actually objected in this thread or not. The point is it's disingenuous and not it is acceptable to dismiss anyone's views as invalid or inferior on something as personal as one's own tastes if they are not in alignment with the status quo.

[theBrokenMuse]

Is it better to live one's life trapped in an unhealthy obsession with food?

Better than it would be to give up all of one's autonomy and sense of self in order to bend to whatever is dictated by popular opinion as if in some kind of borg collective? Abso-freaking-lutely... not that I consider myself to be obsessed with food except for back when I dieted food became such a focal point of my life that I honestly don't think it was emotionally healthy for me.

[theBrokenMuse]

OOPS! I said:

" The point is it's disingenuous and not it is acceptable"

I meant

"The point is it's disingenuous and not acceptable"

 

Sorry about that. Stupid system doesn't like letting you edit anything past a minute or two.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Except no one here--man or woman--has actually stated that they prefer the appearance of an unhealthy, out of shape, obese person to a slender, healthy, sexy person.

 

Basically the only people really taking issue with Green seem to be a few overweight women who have been unsuccessful in whatever efforts they have made to lose weight. They've given up trying for all intents and purposes.

 

Since you are brand new here, perhaps you haven't had a chance to read this thread.

 

There are MANY fellows on this thread taking issue with Green, as well as plenty of women who are not overweight, including me.

 

I don't think anyone cares that Green likes "skinny" women. Who would care, unless it's some individual who he has rejected because she weighs more than 115 at 5'7" and is therefore deemed fat?

 

We ALL like what we like. Sure, I don't believe that a lasting relationship can be based upon physical traits, but I do believe that those traits play a big role in getting people together in the first place.

 

It's his persistent claim that anyone who says they like something different than what he does is "deluded" or otherwise "wrong" that is causing all the rancor.

 

Green's choice of language when talking about fat people is also insulting, as are his various expressions of thin equalling "good" and fat equalling less than good.

 

Of COURSE we are all aware that "fat" is not admired in this society, it is NOT generally considered "beautiful" or "sexy" and those of us who carry extra weight also face extra challenges. I doubt that many overweight people are completely thrilled with the physical condition that they are in (some are), but why should they not seek self acceptance, and acceptance from other people for the way they are today?

 

Nobody's claiming that Green is required to find them sexy. But why make an effort to dis them - or to refute other peoples' preferences? Over and over again?

 

What's the point of that?

 

 

This thread really should not even exist. The title says it all. Green prefers the way skinny women look. Alrighty.

[NoLongerSad]

Since you are brand new here, perhaps you haven't had a chance to read this thread.

 

I don't need to read 43 pages to catch the gist of it.

 

 

There are MANY fellows on this thread taking issue with Green, as well as plenty of women who are not overweight, including me.

 

Oh really? Who takes issues with the point that slender women (actually slender people of both genders) are more attractive than overweight people, of both genders?

 

No one.

 

What people are actually saying is that Green is speaking the "forbidden" and he should stop doing that.

 

 

I don't think anyone cares that Green likes "skinny" women.

 

It has nothing to do with what Green likes personally. Green could be a chubby-chaser personally, and his point--that slender women are more attractive--would still be entirely valid. His personal preferences have nothing to do with anything.

 

 

Who would care, unless it's some individual who he has rejected because she weighs more than 115 at 5'7" and is therefore deemed fat?

 

Apparently quite a few people do care. It doesn't make Green's point any the less valid, though.

 

 

 

 

We ALL like what we like. Sure, I don't believe that a lasting relationship can be based upon physical traits, but I do believe that those traits play a big role in getting people together in the first place.

 

A vanishingly small percentage of men and women actually prefer their partner to be overweight. Due to limited options and their own lack of desirability, they may be forced to "settle" for an overweight partner. But that doesn't mean they prefer it.

 

It goes both ways, of course. In-shape slim/muscular/athletic men are greatly preferable to most women than the alternative--out of shape overweight men. I say that as someone who's not particularly physically fit. I don't need to go around denying reality just because I might not personally meet the ideal standard.

 

 

It's his persistent claim that anyone who says they like something different than what he does is "deluded" or otherwise "wrong" that is causing all the rancor.

 

Again you're trying to make this about what Green's personal preference happens to be. Forget about his personal preference. The fact that his personal preference might happen to coincide with his argument is entirely coincidental.

 

 

 

Green's choice of language when talking about fat people is also insulting, as are his various expressions of thin equalling "good" and fat equalling less than good.

 

Fat is less than good when it comes to physical attractiveness. That's why fat people often go on diets.

 

 

 

 

Of COURSE we are all aware that "fat" is not admired in this society, it is NOT generally considered "beautiful" or "sexy" and those of us who carry extra weight also face extra challenges. I doubt that many overweight people are completely thrilled with the physical condition that they are in (some are), but why should they not seek self acceptance, and acceptance from other people for the way they are today?

 

 

They can seek whatever they want. They are not entitled to get it, however.

 

 

Nobody's claiming that Green is required to find them sexy. But why make an effort to dis them - or to refute other peoples' preferences? Over and over again?

 

No one "prefers" an out of shape, fat, partner.

 

 

 

What's the point of that?

 

If you don't see the point of it why participate in Green's thread? No one is forcing you to.

 

 

 

 

This thread really should not even exist. The title says it all. Green prefers the way skinny women look. Alrighty.

 

No, MEN prefer the way slender, in shape, sexy women look. And WOMEN perfer the way slender, in shape, sexy men look.

 

That's why Chippendale dancers are hot sexy men with six pack abs, lots of muscles, and don't carry beer guts.

 

Pretty obvious, actually.

[theBrokenMuse]

No one "prefers" an out of shape, fat, partner.

I wonder... Is it possible to explain the whole feeder/feedee phenomena without someone preferring their partner to be fat as opposed to thin?

[NoLongerSad]

I wonder... Is it possible to explain the whole feeder/feedee phenomena without someone preferring their partner to be fat as opposed to thin?

 

 

I thought we were talking about psychologically healthy people.

[theBrokenMuse]

I thought we were talking about psychologically healthy people.

So... is your argument then that psychologically healthy people all like the same thing or never have opinions that fall outside of popular opinion? I am not meaning to be a pest... just asking because I'm trying to better understand the basis of your argument.

[Green]

Except no one here--man or woman--has actually stated that they prefer the appearance of an unhealthy, out of shape, obese person to a slender, healthy, sexy person.

 

Basically the only people really taking issue with Green seem to be a few overweight women who have been unsuccessful in whatever efforts they have made to lose weight. They've given up trying for all intents and purposes.

 

No one here has refuted me directly. Men have come on and send random stuff like "I like women with meat on them" but no one said slender women arn't hott. People have also misconstrued the word Skinny to mean anorexic or unhealthy but I was just using the word skinny to comunicate NOT BEING FAT.

 

Yes guys date fat chicks. That doesn't make them hot. It's ridiculouse to think that just because men marry or date fat chicks they some how become hot...

 

Uh, no. Quite a few men have stated they prefer curvy women. Of course noone prefers an obese person. Nobody here is defending obese people; it's a non-issue that such people are generally considered unattractive. But there's a huge, huge range between 'skinny' and obese. In between are the people who are of a normal weight, neither skinny nor obese.

 

Green's preferences aren't 'healthy'. The celebrities he quoted as being too large are actually of a healthy weight and shape. They just aren't what he finds as attractive.

 

Slender women ar CURVY as oposed to the shapeless mass that people become as they put on more and more weight.

 

My preferences are healthy and its why I made this thread to bring people out of the delusional state they are putting themselves into.

 

Since you are brand new here, perhaps you haven't had a chance to read this thread.

 

There are MANY fellows on this thread taking issue with Green, as well as plenty of women who are not overweight, including me.

 

I don't think anyone cares that Green likes "skinny" women. Who would care, unless it's some individual who he has rejected because she weighs more than 115 at 5'7" and is therefore deemed fat?

 

We ALL like what we like. Sure, I don't believe that a lasting relationship can be based upon physical traits, but I do believe that those traits play a big role in getting people together in the first place.

 

It's his persistent claim that anyone who says they like something different than what he does is "deluded" or otherwise "wrong" that is causing all the rancor.

 

Green's choice of language when talking about fat people is also insulting, as are his various expressions of thin equalling "good" and fat equalling less than good.

 

Of COURSE we are all aware that "fat" is not admired in this society, it is NOT generally considered "beautiful" or "sexy" and those of us who carry extra weight also face extra challenges. I doubt that many overweight people are completely thrilled with the physical condition that they are in (some are), but why should they not seek self acceptance, and acceptance from other people for the way they are today?

 

Nobody's claiming that Green is required to find them sexy. But why make an effort to dis them - or to refute other peoples' preferences? Over and over again?

 

What's the point of that?

 

 

This thread really should not even exist. The title says it all. Green prefers the way skinny women look. Alrighty.

 

This thread exists for precisely the reason you think it shouldn't exist because it needs to be said and society is putting itself into a dream world where they act like hot women are magic and unatainable so we might as well all PERTEND that we love big women.

 

Why would a thread or ad campaign about so called "real women" who look like football players be aplauded in this day in age. What ever happened to wanting to better ourselves instead of insult people who are beautiful (and they know they are not an opinion a fact) and aplaud people and their miserable failings with their own bodies.

 

I don't need to read 43 pages to catch the gist of it.

 

You get the gist, we arguing with people that slender women are prefered to the other type of women.

 

They have basicaly said the same song and dance this entire thread... "thats just an opinion that shouldn't even be said" ect. ect.

 

 

 

 

Oh really? Who takes issues with the point that slender women (actually slender people of both genders) are more attractive than overweight people, of both genders?

 

No one.

 

What people are actually saying is that Green is speaking the "forbidden" and he should stop doing that.

 

Yes pretty much thats what its all about.

 

 

 

 

It has nothing to do with what Green likes personally. Green could be a chubby-chaser personally' date=' and his point--that slender women are more attractive--would still be entirely valid. His personal preferences have nothing to do with anything. [/quote']

 

The fact is this entire thread title is stated as an opinion "I prefer the way skinny women look" and that alone pissed women off because they wanted me to aknowledge that some men prefer fat women which I do but then I go onto explain that fat women have stretched out faces and bodies which have lost their shape... a women with only a little extra weight loses the shap a little a women with say 70 extra pounds loses the shape of her face, breasts, stomach, her curves show less, hour glass figure disapears. And I stated this as fact and this bothered them but it is fact.

 

If I did like fat women it would probably be because I was settleing ... but even most men who settle realize that they are settling. If I wasn't settling I'd basicly have my pick because I would be into something that truely is not the ideal of beauty and at that point I would be the one with some opinion and it would be foolish of me to expect society to agree... but thats what we have here they want me to agree that fat women are every bit as hot as slender women which is crazy talk unless you just want to see the world as what ever reality you want to make. And in that case I we might as well talk about how pain can be pleasure and vice versa. Obviously people can derive pleasure from pain say a girl cutting herself for emotional relief or a man being wipped or spanked for sexual pleasure... but it doesn't sudenly turn pain into pleasure just means that person is getting pleausure from pain the same way some one can get turned on by fat doesn't make fat attractive.

 

Fat is less than good when it comes to physical attractiveness. That's why fat people often go on diets.

 

Any fat women I've known has wanted to lose weight even if they wern't on a diet. I love how they point out Beyonce or whatever but I gaurantee she doesn't want to be fat. No one does so why argue that it is some how a POSSIBLE ideal.... pointless

 

If you don't see the point of it why participate in Green's thread? No one is forcing you to.

 

So they can make more ilogical arguments like "what do you look like" "you can't write propper" "you seem young and stupid" ect. ect. They throw out fetish's like fat fetish and try to compare that to the natural "NATURAL" attraction to slender women. LOL

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder... Is it possible to explain the whole feeder/feedee phenomena without someone preferring their partner to be fat as opposed to thin?

 

Yes mentaly ill people is the explenation you will get. Some Adults find young children sexualy attractive this is also because of mental ilness. You see people look at other people and what they are attracted to and say "WRONG" when it hurts people.

 

Obviusly being attracted to fat peope isn't as "WRONG" as being attracted to children but it still is 'WRONG" especialy if your goal is to keep fatening them up to keep making them look sexy. Mental ilness.

 

But the fact that you use this as some kind of example to disprove that slender women are attractive (more attractive then fat women) just shows what I am dealing with.

[theBrokenMuse]

the same way some one can get turned on by fat doesn't make fat attractive.

It makes it attractive to the person that is turned on by it... That's all that's being argued. Why is there such a disconnect here when that is so self-evident?

 

 

They throw out fetish's like fat fetish and try to compare that to the natural "NATURAL" attraction to slender women. LOL

Unnatural denotes things not found in nature, are you saying that such things aren't byproducts of the human brain or is this the kind of fallaciously laughable argument you hear from apologists that are trying to set up gay sex to appear immoral?

 

Yes mentaly ill people is the explenation you will get.

I just want to reiterate... Are you suggesting that going outside of any popularly held view within a society makes one mentally ill?

 

Some Adults find young children sexualy attractive this is also because of mental ilness. You see people look at other people and what they are attracted to and say "WRONG" when it hurts people.

 

Obviusly being attracted to fat peope isn't as "WRONG" as being attracted to children but it still is 'WRONG"

Molesting children could be considered immoral because children are unable to give consent and having sexual contact with them can cause them lifetime emotional and physical damage... and you compare that to two consenting adults for a second time? How is having sex with a consenting adult partner who is not what you consider attractive causing harm to anyone? How does it have moral implications the way that having sex with a child would? I think the fact that you are even drawing these parallels is pretty disturbing. I'm honestly shocked you haven't pulled a godwin yet.

 

But the fact that you use this as some kind of example to disprove that slender women are attractive (more attractive then fat women) just shows what I am dealing with.

How did I try and disprove anything in the above quote other than the idea that no one has ever wanted a fat partner which is demonstrably untrue? Where do I mention the value of thin women there? Where do I suggest that fat women are better than thin women on the whole or did I simply point out what I felt was a flaw in the logic of the point being presented ?

 

Are you even reading posts before responding at this point Green? The above response on that quote was so off in it's entirety that I can't understand where the hell that leap you took came from.

Edited November 16, 2010 by theBrokenMuse

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Any fat women I've known has wanted to lose weight even if they wern't on a diet.

 

Well while I agree with your personal feelings, this statement tells me you haven't seen much of the world.