Why do guys think heavily photoshopped photos are real

[Crusoe]

Men don't seem to define their masculinty by their level of self control and loyatly.

 

True, not many do anymore, it is a shame.

[sagetalk]

If only photo-shopping girls in magazines was societies worst crime, we would be almost in heaven. I'd rate it somewhere between children stealing gummy bears and plumbers showing their rear end while their working on a sink.

[TheBigQuestion]

If only photo-shopping girls in magazines was societies worst crime, we would be almost in heaven. I'd rate it somewhere between children stealing gummy bears and plumbers showing their rear end while their working on a sink.

 

Too true. Genocide and starvation are crippling many parts of the world and here we are worried that a few altered photographs of attractive women might hurt the self-esteem of some women who are most likely already predisposed by other factors to feeling this way. Don't you just love affluence?

[DanielMadr]

Dear Jersey Shortie,

 

IF you feel unattractive because there is so much better looking girls on billboards, that is your personal issue and only your problem not ours. Solving it by banning it or ordering men to stop liking it is immature. You don't solve your fading beauty or whatever by getting Snow White killed. Every kid knows that and you should too.

 

IF your BF or guys you would like to date don't find you attractive enough, you should know that it is not because of models on billboards. Unless these guys are weirdos who spent their whole life in solitary confinement and never saw a real girl. Normal guys have sense for reality and quite honestly guys do not obsess about printed hotties that much. Living flesh is much more appealing. One of the reasons they enjoy fantasy porn fap is more likely due to the fact that fantasy women do not nag.

 

IF your BF or husband is disrespectful enough to remind you of your flaws compared to Hollywood superstars. Well, he is a retard. But it is still not Men's or society's problem but his and yours.

 

You stated earlier your deep resentment for men (busting balls of your male employees and demanding their respect). That is a serious issue. How would you react to a man having this issues with women for reasons such as "Women are golddiggers."? I suggest you work on that. You will live much happier (dating) life getting rid of these flawed perceptions.

 

Even if "the problem" was real and serious and it really influenced your life directly (not subjectively), there is nothing you or we can do about it.

World is cruel and harsh. Being no beauty queen is sad. But we are adults and therefore we can cope with it. You should too. It is childish to cry unfair and rant. And I repeat beautiful girls on billboards are not such a big deal - it does not bring down value of real real girls so much you would like to think.

[DanielMadr]

If only photo-shopping girls in magazines was societies worst crime, we would be almost in heaven. I'd rate it somewhere between children stealing gummy bears and plumbers showing their rear end while their working on a sink.

 

Ah, finally...a reality check. Much appreciated.

 

Thanks and good night all of you.

[Woggle]

That's right with an image or video, there is no criticism only 100% imaginary adoration.

 

Fake adoration beats constant criticism any day of the week. In the eyes of some women a man will never be able to do anything right and more and more men are figuring that out so why even try to please them.

[MrNate]

If only photo-shopping girls in magazines was societies worst crime, we would be almost in heaven. I'd rate it somewhere between children stealing gummy bears and plumbers showing their rear end while their working on a sink.

 

Exactly, which is why I've stopped feeding the trolls. I think if this were a bigger issue, there would be more women behind it. But apparently there are three who are trying to make what some men do into an epidemic.

 

I think a lot of it just stems from their loneliness and pride, which results in an incessant refusal to accept a different form of reality. Naturally, one can see how these lengthy, pointless accusations start.

[MrNate]

That's right with an image or video, there is no criticism only 100% imaginary adoration.

 

Very few things in this world are 100%. This is not 100%. Stop being bitter, be willing to change your life, and do it.

[Mr White]

I like my girlfriend's tummy.

[Jersey Shortie]

I don't know about other men, but I've never had a girlfriend that DIDN'T satisfy most or all of my visual/sexual desires. The reason you don't hear men defending their women about anything is because MOST men that post here do NOT have a significant other, and many are chronically single and sexually frustrated. You went form talking about images of women in the media to guys wanting to have sex with 10 women instead of one. Take a moment to gather your thoughts so you can decide what you're really arguing here. You're talking about hot women on billboards and magazines and men's infidelity/promiscuity in the same breath.

 

That's right. Because men often defend their oggling and visual perusal are defend by "men need to spread their seed!" arguments.

 

Too true. Genocide and starvation are crippling many parts of the world and here we are worried that a few altered photographs of attractive women might hurt the self-esteem of some women who are most likely already predisposed by other factors to feeling this way. Don't you just love affluence?

 

Remember your arrogant sarcasm about loving affluence next time you pull out a porno where you could have been doing things to help the exact Genocide and starvation that cripples nations you've just tried to berate and shame people on BigQ. Way to attempt to twist it all around but if you were fair, you'd be trying to help third world nations instead of making sure you get to jerk off to porn or oggle the "hotter" girl you can't bang when your gf is standing right next to you.

[TheBigQuestion]

That's right. Because men often defend their oggling and visual perusal are defend by "men need to spread their seed!" arguments.

 

 

 

Remember your arrogant sarcasm about loving affluence next time you pull out a porno where you could have been doing things to help the exact Genocide and starvation that cripples nations you've just tried to berate and shame people on BigQ. Way to attempt to twist it all around but if you were fair, you'd be trying to help third world nations instead of making sure you get to jerk off to porn or oggle the "hotter" girl you can't bang when your gf is standing right next to you.

 

That's because men DO have a biological imperative to spread their seed. Does that justify cheating or other forms of abusive behavior? Of course not. But no one in this thread has asserted anything of the sort. You're the one making unreasonable comparisons and engaging in hyperbole.

 

Regarding your second paragraph, I was just pointing out how ridiculous I think this type of debate is. I've already stated my views repeatedly. Is a lot of the photoshopping that goes on unnecessary? Yes. Does that mean that standards of beauty are that unreasonable? Considering I see women from ages 18 to 50 on a nearly daily basis that I find quite attractive (and my standards for this are pretty high), I can't really believe that it's so out of this world. One of the biggest logical fallacies that you committed throughout this thread is that you assume that the media promotes one universal standard of female beauty. This is absolutely not true, as it varies by region, culture, and which part of media is in question. The individual tastes of men are also not to be ignored. But in your blind crusade against some of the things that men may or may not be into, all this gets conveniently brushed aside.

[MrNate]

That's because men DO have a biological imperative to spread their seed. Does that justify cheating or other forms of abusive behavior? Of course not. But no one in this thread has asserted anything of the sort. You're the one making unreasonable comparisons and engaging in hyperbole.

 

Regarding your second paragraph, I was just pointing out how ridiculous I think this type of debate is. I've already stated my views repeatedly. Is a lot of the photoshopping that goes on unnecessary? Yes. Does that mean that standards of beauty are that unreasonable? Considering I see women from ages 18 to 50 on a nearly daily basis that I find quite attractive (and my standards for this are pretty high), I can't really believe that it's so out of this world. One of the biggest logical fallacies that you committed throughout this thread is that you assume that the media promotes one universal standard of female beauty. This is absolutely not true, as it varies by region, culture, and which part of media is in question. The individual tastes of men are also not to be ignored. But in your blind crusade against some of the things that men may or may not be into, all this gets conveniently brushed aside.

 

A successful troll is successful. Don't keep feeding it man. You've stated your point very well many times. Apparently in another thread she's talking about all these men she's dated, so I don't know where all this bitterness comes from.

[Woggle]

Self control and loyalty are great traits to have but where does it get most men? Do most women truly appreciate these traits in a man?

[Enema]

Thread successfully jersey'd into anti men/porn rant.

[SadandConfusedWA]

Didn't read the whole thread but I agree with ThBigQuestion 100%, sorry girls.

 

Photoshoped images are completly irrelevant. There are many girls walking around who are OMG hot and real. They look just as good as those images. I feel like obese women are made to feel better about themselves through deluded thinking "of course if I was photoshoped I would look like that too" - uh, no you wouldn't.

 

Men are visual and appreciate beauty - deal with it. We can all put some effort into looking the best that we can given genetics (if you women care what men think which you obviously do hence this thread - get yourself to the gym).

[gypsy_nicky]

 

One of the biggest logical fallacies that you committed throughout this thread is that you assume that the media promotes one universal standard of female beauty. This is absolutely not true, as it varies by region, culture, and which part of media is in question. The individual tastes of men are also not to be ignored. But in your blind crusade against some of the things that men may or may not be into, all this gets conveniently brushed aside.

 

Not assume but the media does promote one standard of female beauty because a consensus on what is beautiful is usually agreed upon by people (regardless of race, culture etc).

 

FWIW I do not think photoshopped pics are real. Also the men and women being photoshopped are already gorgeous and rare to come by.

[sweetjasmine]

If only photo-shopping girls in magazines was societies worst crime, we would be almost in heaven. I'd rate it somewhere between children stealing gummy bears and plumbers showing their rear end while their working on a sink.

 

You might not be comparing it to a plumber showing his crack if you had had a 9 year old girl constantly ask you whether she's fat and "how do I look?" and "my tummy is huge and gross" when she's not even overweight. Kids in elementary school are already obsessing over their weight and body and going on diets to be skinnier.

 

We literally see thousands of ads per day. Thousands. And literally every single one is photoshopped and edited. To think that it doesn't affect people in any way is naive.

 

There are several studies on this topic, and all the ones I've read suggest that media exposure leads to a distorted perception of one's own body and has a negative effect on self-esteem.

 

That doesn't mean it's all as terrible as genocide, but that's a pretty lame argument. Just because one thing is worse doesn't mean that the first thing is okay, acceptable, or desirable. Punching you in the face isn't as bad as genocide, but that doesn't mean it's equivalent to a plumber showing his crack.

[rewe4reel]

Thread successfully jersey'd into anti men/porn rant.

 

 

I don't see it that way at all.

 

I think it is more like an interesting case history.

 

Bring it on!

[marsle85]

have you thought that women aren't as easily led by thes image becasude men (once again) are MUCH mire visual than women? That's why images of sexy women are popular to men.. Because it stimulates their VISION.

 

No. Any evidence suggesting men are more "visual" is based solely on social science ideologies rather than hardcore scientific facts. The fact of this matter is; both men and women are equally visual beings, only, one sex is more obvious about their visual excitements than the other on different matters.

 

For example: A man may be verbal about his sexual attraction to a woman's good looks, less verbal about his attraction to her personality, but be VERY turned on by her personality. A woman may be less verbal about his looks, be more verbal about his personality, but is VERY turned on by his physical appearance. The reason for their difference in behavior is; societies push to allow men to verbalize their sexual attractions, and condemn them for their attraction to her personality, and societies push to allow women to verbalize their attraction to his personality, but be condemned for her attraction to his physical appearance.

 

To put it simply, women are called s l u t s for verbally expressing their physical attraction. Men are called w u s s e s for verbally expressing that their mainly attracted to her charming personality. Because of this, both man and women choose to avoid expressing all of their desires for the opposite sex, and only express what is acceptable. The effect is us (society) believing the gender constructed stereotype that men are the only ones who are visually turned on by the attractive opposite sex.

 

Men are not the source of all women's problems.

 

I understand Jersey is extreme in her views, but making that sort of defense claim is just as extreme. No one suggested men WERE the source of all women's problems, and your comment reflects the response of MANY MEN... which only implies men are hypersensitive when anyone makes ANY discriminating comment regarding men. This, ultimately- will not solve any problems. After reading these last comments, it appears both parties are more inclined to defend their gender, instead of what really makes sense.

[TheBigQuestion]

You might not be comparing it to a plumber showing his crack if you had had a 9 year old girl constantly ask you whether she's fat and "how do I look?" and "my tummy is huge and gross" when she's not even overweight. Kids in elementary school are already obsessing over their weight and body and going on diets to be skinnier.

 

We literally see thousands of ads per day. Thousands. And literally every single one is photoshopped and edited. To think that it doesn't affect people in any way is naive.

 

There are several studies on this topic, and all the ones I've read suggest that media exposure leads to a distorted perception of one's own body and has a negative effect on self-esteem.

 

That doesn't mean it's all as terrible as genocide, but that's a pretty lame argument. Just because one thing is worse doesn't mean that the first thing is okay, acceptable, or desirable. Punching you in the face isn't as bad as genocide, but that doesn't mean it's equivalent to a plumber showing his crack.

 

I don't think anyone ever said it doesn't affect people. I was just trying to explore whether or not it's fair to pin this sort of thing as an origin for men's infidelity, "throwing women away" after age 30, and all sorts of other hyperbolic nonsense that people like Jersey Shortie are maintaining. If anything, thanks to the American Pie movies, the whole "MILF" phenomenon as well as the cougar phenomenon just make it seem to me like age is no longer a woman's worst enemy. You have to live with your head buried in sand to think that seeing a celebrity half-naked on the cover of Maxim is making guys cheaters or completely dismissive of women who are 10 pounds overweight.

[TheBigQuestion]

Not assume but the media does promote one standard of female beauty because a consensus on what is beautiful is usually agreed upon by people (regardless of race, culture etc).

 

FWIW I do not think photoshopped pics are real. Also the men and women being photoshopped are already gorgeous and rare to come by.

 

There is nothing that supports what you say about the media promoting one standard of female beauty. Various different body types/proportions, hair colors, fashion styles, etc, have been celebrated by the media over the years, and many of them have been celebrated simultaneously. The only female body type that has not been celebrated all that much (although there's plenty of guys into them and apparently a huge niche in the porn industry for it) is overweight or obese women.

[marsle85]

 

This is actually very enlightening.

[Mr White]

 

This is actually very enlightening.

 

Well, the bottom line is that all that processing still doesn't matter that much --> the original girl is PLENTY pretty already and would get plenty of attention, so I'm not sure what the big fus about the marginal improvements is... The photoshopping removed some blemishes, but certainly didn't make her "impossible".

 

Photoshop doesn't make any more difference than tastefully applying make up, which, ironically, is something that women have been doing for THOUSANDS of years...

Edited June 3, 2010 by Mr White

[marsle85]

Well, the bottom line is that all that processing still doesn't matter --> the original girl is PLENTY HOT already and would get PLENTY of attention, so I'm not sure what the big fus about the marginal improvements is...

 

This is your opinion as a man, who approves of her pre and post processing. However, you missed the woman's comments in regards to the video. The editor conducing the photoshop told her: "It's possible you could look like that if you had a trainer and worked out every day, but who has time?" and the woman clearly expressed concerns with herself...DESPITE the fact that she does work out daily.

 

The problem lies in our interal grasp of beauty, not external. That woman may get all the attention in the world, but if she TRULY is comparing herself to the other women in the media- she will fail every time. Not to mention, the man inadvertantly insulted her. He assumed that the photoshopped image was POSSIBLE, and if she worked out more- she could achieve that.

 

My point is, your views on photoshopped women are shallow (as in, not really delving deep into the matter). Your say: hey, the woman is hot with or without photoshop, who cares? But the matter is not black and white. With or without your attention or approval, that girl is working to achieve what she and you find as attractive. You can make the same argument that with or without fashion, men and women are attractive. That doesn't stop people from going to great lengths to buy certain brands, etc. And this path to succeed is the danger concerning photoshop, not the end result.

 

How many times do you see people post a picture of a celeb in a dress, or bathinsuit on their refrigerator to stop them from overeating. In no way does the girl say, "Well, I can have a cupcake because that girl has had 10 lbs photoshopped off her ass" No. way. She doesn't eat the cupcake...DESPITE the reality of the model.

[MrNate]

No. Any evidence suggesting men are more "visual" is based solely on social science ideologies rather than hardcore scientific facts. The fact of this matter is; both men and women are equally visual beings, only, one sex is more obvious about their visual excitements than the other on different matters.

 

For example: A man may be verbal about his sexual attraction to a woman's good looks, less verbal about his attraction to her personality, but be VERY turned on by her personality. A woman may be less verbal about his looks, be more verbal about his personality, but is VERY turned on by his physical appearance. The reason for their difference in behavior is; societies push to allow men to verbalize their sexual attractions, and condemn them for their attraction to her personality, and societies push to allow women to verbalize their attraction to his personality, but be condemned for her attraction to his physical appearance.

 

To put it simply, women are called s l u t s for verbally expressing their

physical attraction. Men are called w u s s e s for verbally expressing that their

mainly attracted to her charming personality. Because of this, both man and

women choose to avoid expressing all of their desires for the opposite sex,

and only express what is acceptable. The effect is us (society) believing the

gender constructed stereotype that men are the only ones who are visually

turned on by the attractive opposite sex.

 

 

 

I understand Jersey is extreme in her views, but making that sort of defense

claim is just as extreme. No one suggested men WERE the source of all

women's problems, and your comment reflects the response of MANY MEN...

which only implies men are hypersensitive when anyone makes ANY

discriminating comment regarding men. This, ultimately- will not solve any

problems. After reading these last comments, it appears both parties are

more inclined to defend their gender, instead of what really makes

sense.

 

hey! First, I'm a fan of yours, and it's always a pleasure to hear your responses.

 

Second, I just wanted to say I agree with most of this, and it also entails why I've discontinued responding in this thread. I felt like in my quest to get my point across, I wound up giving extreme responses to extreme

discussions. Which, of course, will mean nothing will get accomplished if that happens. So natrually I accept my part of the blame for that as well.

 

I look forward to discussing with you in future threads!