Why do guys think heavily photoshopped photos are real

[DanielMadr]

I think men settle for average women while they still pine for what they define as a super hottie. Then they expect average women to be content with being told how average they are.

I will also add that we can't fight it alone. You can't expect women to be above the message about a woman's body while their own men buy right into it. I do my best to fight the media's perception of what a womans' body should be. I have my insecurities. But being out in the real world all day, fighting those messages and dealing with them, only to come home to a man that is oggling more sexy women online is deadening to the female soul. He is buying the exact message I am trying to fight. he is bringing it into the home. Women can't even get any peace from these messages in their own homes anymore. We don't ever get a break.

 

O.K. Being average sucks. Being insecure over it does not help. Trying to blame it on media, because they remind you of it is also counterproductive. Because only way to change that is to ban all the billboards with attractive people.

If you look average your man will ogle hotter women and maybe imagine them being in your place. That is the reality. But in most cases he is not imagining some Hollywood super hottie but your more attractive sister. Tough eh?

But again that is how it is.

You can't change your genes. However you can compensate in other areas like being supportive, loyal, helpful, loving, caring etc. And you will still have your husband. However if you get bitter because of some media showing more desirable women, you can't achieve that.

 

And you can at least keep your body fit.

 

I'm not gonna lie to you....physical appearance gets more points than personality. However 7 super kind girl beats 10 b1tch anytime. I'd say even 5 can beat her in terms of relationship material.

 

I believe it is natural and no one can change that. Again being ugly girl sucks.

 

Look at it from the bright side...men are more used to hotties thanks to the media. If Megan Fox walked to a Amish village they would have heart attack on spot or killed their wives just to have spare chair for her. Not so todays men...."yeah Megan Fox, so what, I've seen plenty of those on Venice boulevard yesterday, come honey let's have a steak."

[MrNate]

At the end of the day, it's about finding man/woman who likes you for who you are. Men will always look at sexy women. Men will always chase after sexy women. So he's natrually going to try to get the best woman he can, so yes, some women will get passed up in the process.

 

I kind of compare it to a woman in a way. Most women have several men to choose from, so clearly she is going to choose the best. For what logical reason would she settle for the second best? Just something to think about.

[C-i-C-u]

I like to think what Oscar Wilde said was true. "A man's face is his autobiography. A woman's face is her work of fiction."

[Engadget]

LOL, that's laughable. I'm sorry, but any modestly intelligent, mature woman would not divorce her husband because her husband wasn't sparkly and lacked fangs.

 

You proved his point, the intelligent mature women are so few and far between it's sad.

[C-i-C-u]

or better yet this quote by the same person, "It is better to be beautiful than to be good. But... it is better to be good than to be ugly."

[Jersey Shortie]

If you look average your man will ogle hotter women and maybe imagine them being in your place. That is the reality. But in most cases he is not imagining some Hollywood super hottie but your more attractive sister. Tough eh?

But again that is how it is.

You can't change your genes. However you can compensate in other areas like being supportive, loyal, helpful, loving, caring etc. And you will still have your husband. However if you get bitter because of some media showing more desirable women, you can't achieve that.

 

You know, I find it really disheartening that in the same paragraph you talk about the disloyatly of men by saying that a man will image hotter women in your place, that a woman should be the one to compensate for what he finds lacking in her physically by being more supportive. It's dysfuntional and shows such a crass lack of support to the woman trying to make a relationship work! When do men start being supportive? This is what is so frustrating. Men keep saying things that sound alot like "Too bad." "oh well", "what you think and feel doesn't matter. Just shut your mouth, spread yuor legs and be very supportive and if you are lucky, he will stick around for a while." But don't get upset of feel like your not being supported when he is thinking about banging other hotter women.

 

And you can at least keep your body fit.

 

LOL. Why though? Even if you keep fit he still thinks about other women. There is really no point. Men aren' tevery happy with what they got.

 

I'm not gonna lie to you....physical appearance gets more points than personality. However 7 super kind girl beats 10 b1tch anytime. I'd say even 5 can beat her in terms of relationship material.

 

Who wants to beat her out if men by default think she is "better" and you have to work 10 times harder for some average joe that can't be supportive to women?

Edited June 1, 2010 by Jersey Shortie

[DanielMadr]

You know, I find it really disheartening that in the same paragraph you talk about the disloyatly of men by saying that a man will image hotter women in your place, that a woman should be the one to compensate for what he finds lacking in her physically by being more supportive. It's dysfuntional and shows such a crass lack of support to the woman trying to make a relationship work! When do men start being supportive? This is what is so frustrating. Men keep saying things that sound alot like "Too bad." "oh well", "what you think and feel doesn't matter. Just shut your mouth, spread yuor legs and be very supportive and if you are lucky, he will stick around for a while." But don't get upset of feel like your not being supported when he is thinking about banging other hotter women.

That is exactly the problem. I told you what can you do to be more attractive and you flip it around in "Why should I if he is not...". That is not the point what he does. And believe me, the more attractive (physical and personality like) you are the more supportive he will be. The more nagging and fat you turn the less supportive he will be. Now you probably tell me that he needs to be supportive first to make you feel good. Again that is not the point. My point is stop beating yourself to unhappiness because that's unattractive and improve what can be improved (fit body, nice haircut, balanced makeup, being sexy and seductive, kind and caring) and stop worrying about the rest.

And if your husband still ignores you and jacks off to some internet porn, well, find some better guy. But you can't attract better guy if you freak out about nonsense things like your husband preferring his hand to your body. Because it is his problem. He has a problem...if he was any good he would find a mistress or made you so in love with him, that you wouldn't dare to get fat.

Yes man need to be supportive and kind not to be control freaks training their wives giving nothing but you need to work on yourself too...for you if he does not appreciate it. Or at least don't whine about that when you decide to do nothing about it, thats childish.

(I don't mean this to be your problem, thats just general example).

 

LOL. Why though? Even if you keep fit he still thinks about other women. There is really no point. Men aren' tevery happy with what they got.

There will always be someone hotter than you. So your giving up is absolute non sense. Don't be like that Queen with poisoned apple for Snow White. And don't tell me you don't dream about George Clooney...it is innocent too.

 

Who wants to beat her out if men by default think she is "better" and you have to work 10 times harder for some average joe that can't be supportive to women?

You don't have to. Nobody is forcing you.

 

I tell you what. Don't be better for enhancing your market price. Be better for yourself...for your well being. People don't understand that they can be happy. They refuse to be happy. They think they need approval of others to be happy.

And if you come across average joe, just make sure he marries you because he likes you not because he does not want to be alone.

Edited June 1, 2010 by DanielMadr

[stace79]

Every photo in every magazine or ad is retouched.. some more than others..

Every makeup ad.. every lingerie ad.. every ad period..

 

Retouching isn't new and has been being done since photos have been used..

Cars, People, Appliances even pictures of food on the packaging in the frozen food section or the menu board at your favorite take out place.

 

As far as guys looking at a retouched photo and thinking that is perfection.. hahaha.. that is only the perfection the art director was looking for when they directed the artist to slim down or alter them.

 

I'm with Alpha.. they are idiots...

 

My favorite is how Victoria's Secret gives every model incredible cleavage, even when lying down.

[TheBigQuestion]

On a side note, I think Jessica Alba is very attractive and cute but I don't get the hubbub over her personally. I digress.

 

 

 

I have to hugely disagree with that TheBigQ. We categorize human behavior all the time. That's how we form opinions and make choices in our personal lives about the kind of person we want to be. Good. Bad. Dangerous. Healthy. Distructive. Helpful.

 

I think there is a confusion about "positive response" and "healthy". Child molesters have positive responses sexually to children in their own minds eye. They get a happy feeling. Just because something makes you happy, doesn't mean it's healthy.

 

 

 

I don't at all think being attracted to beautiful women is a bad thing at all. What I find "bad" is the unrealistic ideals in the media of women that many men seem to buy into. If men didn't buy into it, they wouldn't have emotional pleasing response to imagery of photoshopped, surgically enhanced women. I don't think the media's atittude toward women does anything good for men or women. I understand why men and women get lured by pop media and what defines femininity. That doesn't mean I think it's healthy. Especially so in the digital age where we consum alot of subtle messages withouth knowing it just about endlessly.

 

 

 

 

And the other 75-80 girls will have to stand by while their husbands and boyfriends go to oggle these other girls. And when their husbands or boyfriends come home and hop on the computer to pull one out to other gorgeous women, or come home to ohave sex with her after being turned on by what her own man considers the cream of the crop, he can crawl into bed with his loved one and wonder what breakfast she is cooking the next morning. Every girls dream.

 

 

 

There was a thread on you months back where a young woman all of 20 said her breasts sagged. A lot of the younger men commented that no 20 year olds breasts should sag and how she should get herself fixed. For me, that showed alot of delusions men have about what a real female body si about. Do men want flesh and blood or silcone and plastic? I'm not so sure the answer is black and white.

 

There was also an article I read in a magazine that showed a case study of men three images of the same model with varying levels of make up and asked the men before they looked at the pictures, how much make-up they liked on a woman. Most of the men said very little, they liked the natural look! After being show the 3 images of the same model, one image with very little make-up, one with medium amount, and lastly, one with alot. The men were asked to rate which one looked the best. Most men picked the medium amount. What a man might construe as being natural, might not be. why should men know how much make up a woman puts on to look good? I wouldn't expect him to. But it says alot about what men's perception is of what is natural for me. I am no way saying men are dumb or ignorant. Not at all! I just think that men are easily tricked by the visual.

 

 

 

My goal isn't to change what people like TheBigQ. My goal is to have honest discussion. Why do you assume that anyone is trying to guilt trip anyone? Just because there are some honest opinion in this thread?

 

 

 

Well, if you did, that would make you extremely socially ackward. I think men settle for average women while they still pine for what they define as a super hottie. Then they expect average women to be content with being told how average they are. There isn't a woman from 5-90 that doesn't delight in being beautiful. It's an inherent female thing. one that often takes on a battle like quality in media that is trying to sell us product after product.

 

And I totally agree that a fair amount of body insecurity is perpetuated by women themselves. But I do not agree that women do it more so then men. We attack ourselves in different ways.

 

I will also add that we can't fight it alone. You can't expect women to be above the message about a woman's body while their own men buy right into it. I do my best to fight the media's perception of what a womans' body should be. I have my insecurities. But being out in the real world all day, fighting those messages and dealing with them, only to come home to a man that is oggling more sexy women online is deadening to the female soul. He is buying the exact message I am trying to fight. he is bringing it into the home. Women can't even get any peace from these messages in their own homes anymore. We don't ever get a break.

 

Most people don't like her personality much.

 

Human behavior is not equivalent to physical and emotional reactions to a stimulus. Behaviors are actions taken by people. These can be judged. And I think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to try to compare a reaction to an image of a beautiful woman and a person who gets off on images of children.

 

I understand what you're saying, but where we disagree is that I don't necessarily find the ideal to be so unrealistic if there are so many real life examples every day. When I used that example of people from my high school, while I don't pretend that it's a scientific sampling, it was to point out that as many as 1 in 5 women could be categorized as pretty darn gorgeous. And the other 4 are not necessarily average or ugly either, so I don't know why you automatically assumed that.

 

I remember reading a few threads here where women were talking about vintage clothing and how if you compared clothes directly from the 40s-50s to now, what is considered average now was considered overweight back then. This means either one of two things: either the standard of beauty back then was even more outrageously unrealistic, or people nowadays are really just not as good at taking care of their physiques. People have repeatedly stated that it's only gotten more unrealistic as time has gone by, but this fact leads me to believe that it's probably the other way around.

 

When men say they like the "natural" look, it really just shows their ignorance of how makeup works. Growing up, guys will encounter girls that haphazardly throw on lots of makeup, and it shows. If makeup is applied professionally, of course it's harder to tell that it's there. "Natural" really just means "not sloppy" for most men. The way I see it, that study has much more to do with the fact that men don't know anything about makeup than what they actually prefer on a woman.

 

It's a simple fact of life that there will always be someone "better" than you out there; better looking, smarter, more talented, more organized, more dedicated, less baggage, whatever. This is true for every human being regardless of gender. It is up to individuals to decide how badly this gets to them. An "average" woman's husband may lust for a hotter woman, but that REACTION is not something that can be helped, nor is it unhealthy. What matters is whether that makes him neglect or cheat on his wife. Even in that case, there's almost always WAY more to a man's infidelity than him suddenly deciding that his wife isn't hot enough for him. Whenever you talk about men being "wrong" for lusting for hotter women, it DOES sound like you're trying to guilt-trip them.

 

Most men know that breasts naturally sag, the question is how extensive is it? For a 20 year old, it is NOT typical for it to be extensive. Also, how old were most of the posters in that thread? Younger men do not have as much experience with the naked female body, so this makes a difference too. Either way, you still underestimate that most men are very aware that pictures in magazines are altered and that they don't expect every woman to live up to that to a T.

[DanielMadr]

Most people don't like her personality much.

 

Human behavior is not equivalent to physical and emotional reactions to a stimulus. Behaviors are actions taken by people. These can be judged. And I think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to try to compare a reaction to an image of a beautiful woman and a person who gets off on images of children.

 

I understand what you're saying, but where we disagree is that I don't necessarily find the ideal to be so unrealistic if there are so many real life examples every day. When I used that example of people from my high school, while I don't pretend that it's a scientific sampling, it was to point out that as many as 1 in 5 women could be categorized as pretty darn gorgeous. And the other 4 are not necessarily average or ugly either, so I don't know why you automatically assumed that.

 

I remember reading a few threads here where women were talking about vintage clothing and how if you compared clothes directly from the 40s-50s to now, what is considered average now was considered overweight back then. This means either one of two things: either the standard of beauty back then was even more outrageously unrealistic, or people nowadays are really just not as good at taking care of their physiques. People have repeatedly stated that it's only gotten more unrealistic as time has gone by, but this fact leads me to believe that it's probably the other way around.

 

When men say they like the "natural" look, it really just shows their ignorance of how makeup works. Growing up, guys will encounter girls that haphazardly throw on lots of makeup, and it shows. If makeup is applied professionally, of course it's harder to tell that it's there. "Natural" really just means "not sloppy" for most men. The way I see it, that study has much more to do with the fact that men don't know anything about makeup than what they actually prefer on a woman.

 

It's a simple fact of life that there will always be someone "better" than you out there; better looking, smarter, more talented, more organized, more dedicated, less baggage, whatever. This is true for every human being regardless of gender. It is up to individuals to decide how badly this gets to them. An "average" woman's husband may lust for a hotter woman, but that REACTION is not something that can be helped, nor is it unhealthy. What matters is whether that makes him neglect or cheat on his wife. Even in that case, there's almost always WAY more to a man's infidelity than him suddenly deciding that his wife isn't hot enough for him. Whenever you talk about men being "wrong" for lusting for hotter women, it DOES sound like you're trying to guilt-trip them.

 

Most men know that breasts naturally sag, the question is how extensive is it? For a 20 year old, it is NOT typical for it to be extensive. Also, how old were most of the posters in that thread? Younger men do not have as much experience with the naked female body, so this makes a difference too. Either way, you still underestimate that most men are very aware that pictures in magazines are altered and that they don't expect every woman to live up to that to a T.

 

Exactly. I can sign every word.

 

I'd like to add that despite of occasional historical perverted ideas of beauty, the core is still the same. Waist:Hip ration around 0.7, full lips.... I recommend BBC series on Beauty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X83Eez47mY&feature=related

 

They even touch the "beauty everywhere" problem.

 

People are fat these days. In the past not so much, because food was expensive. Go to Eastern Europe...food is still expensive there and people are not that fat, at least when young. It even differs region to region in one state. Poor region...slimmer girls. And I guess Girl Power propaganda has something to do with that too. Girls there still think that hot body and feminine features and behavior is the way to go. When they start to think that men should love them for their soul and soul only....yey trouble.

[Jersey Shortie]

The more nagging and fat you turn the less supportive he will be. Now you probably tell me that he needs to be supportive first to make you feel good. Again that is not the point.

 

What's the point then Daniel? No need for a woman to beat herself up when we have guys that tell us to keep our mouths closed (nagging) and make sure they have nice pleasing bodies because that's the sum of what a woman amounts toto.

 

My point is stop beating yourself to unhappiness because that's unattractive and improve what can be improved (fit body, nice haircut, balanced makeup, being sexy and seductive, kind and caring) and stop worrying about the rest.

 

Umm, I already do take care of myself. But I am never going to have a perfect body. And I'm not going to sit on the sidelines while my guy defends his crappy behavior and expects me to think the world of him while he panders and caters to his weaknesses.

 

 

There will always be someone hotter than you.

 

Of course! What does this have to do with anything I've been saying? there will always be someone hotter. And your man will always be around to remind you of that.

[Star Gazer]

Can you imagine what it must feel like to be a photoshopped celebrity? I mean, how do they ever leave the house after having those unrealistic expectations imposed on them...literally, on their very photographs?

 

With almost every celebrity I've seen IRL, I've thought, "She's not as pretty in person," with only 2 exceptions.

[Jersey Shortie]

Human behavior is not equivalent to physical and emotional reactions to a stimulus. Behaviors are actions taken by people. These can be judged.

 

And they are. Deciding to seek out entertainment through visual media is an action being taken BigQ.

 

I think it's a bit intellectually dishonest to try to compare a reaction to an image of a beautiful woman and a person who gets off on images of children.

 

I think it's intellectually dishonest to say that I was making a comparison to the reaction to an image of a beautiful women to someone who gets off to children. What I did say was that pedophiles have positive responses to images of children. There are many things, other then pedophila, that people have positive responses to that aren't necessarily healthy. You made the correlation that a positive response to anything was just fine. My point was to illustrate that just because something feels good to a person, doesn't mean it's healthy. Just because a man responds positively to an image of a woman, doesn't mean that repetitive ideals supplied by the media about women's bodies and the opinions men form are.

 

I understand what you're saying, but where we disagree is that I don't necessarily find the ideal to be so unrealistic if there are so many real life examples every day.

 

There are of course beautiful women in the real world. That doesn't mean that men haven't garnered certain expectations of women's bodies based on the media.

 

People have repeatedly stated that it's only gotten more unrealistic as time has gone by, but this fact leads me to believe that it's probably the other way around.

 

I think it's a dichotomy. People have become more over-weight. But the expectations about woman's body have also become more unrealistic. There are also more women with eating disorders. You can't mearly look at the obesity epidemic and qualify it for that alone. I don't think the media gives women healthy body images. And I totally think men buy into these fake idealistic images.

 

The way I see it, that study has much more to do with the fact that men don't know anything about makeup than what they actually prefer on a woman.

 

Exactly. Men don't know anything about make-up. Which is why men think they only like a "little". The truth is they like women with more make-up then they even know themselves. They think something is "natural", but it's not as "natural" as they think.

 

It's a simple fact of life that there will always be someone "better" than you out there; better looking, smarter, more talented, more organized, more dedicated, less baggage, whatever. This is true for every human being regardless of gender.

 

This was said by the other poster as well. I have yet to see what it has to do with anything. No one argued that there wouldn't be more attractive people out and about. And I guess jsut as there wil lalways be someone more attractive, your man will always want to remind you of that? I don't know what you think this statement proves. No one is saying you have to be the best in the world. Women want to see excitment for *them* from their guy. They want to know that she out ranks other women. This is no different then what men also want from their women.

 

An "average" woman's husband may lust for a hotter woman, but that REACTION is not something that can be helped, nor is it unhealthy.

 

Believe me, women are reminded of this everyday because men don't really much care what women go through and they never stop lusting for anyone who isn't their partner. Women loose every time. You sit here and you defend what is right for men to do or not do, how it's okay for men to react, yet you seem to think that women shouldn't have their own personal reactions to the message their man is sending by reacting to other women. You sit there and defend how men react but give no grace to women who are responding biologically themselves to their men clearly showing some amoun tof interest in other women. That's not right.

 

 

Whenever you talk about men being "wrong" for lusting for hotter women, it DOES sound like you're trying to guilt-trip them.

 

And whenever you defend men for catering to their weakness, it sounds like you hold no expectation of self control for men. You want to guilt trip women into denying their own biological feelings with faced with her mate clearly showing interest in other women.

 

Most men know that breasts naturally sag, the question is how extensive is it? For a 20 year old, it is NOT typical for it to be extensive. Also, how old were most of the posters in that thread? Younger men do not have as much experience with the naked female body, so this makes a difference too. Either way, you still underestimate that most men are very aware that pictures in magazines are altered and that they don't expect every woman to live up to that to a T.

 

Right. Men just expect women to keep their mouths shut and feel good being "average" because at least he is lowering himself enough to be with an "average" women even though what he really wants is the hotty that he considers better then his own partner.

 

I wonder why men are so unable of focusing on what they do have instead of what htey don't.

 

But I think you get my point. That young men have unrealistic expectations of the female body because of the perceptions they have totally ate up about women's body's from the media. The sad thing is that even in this thread, men are quicker to defend the media and projects of women in it then real women.

[jackson30]

Can you imagine what it must feel like to be a photoshopped celebrity? I mean, how do they ever leave the house after having those unrealistic expectations imposed on them...literally, on their very photographs?

 

With almost every celebrity I've seen IRL, I've thought, "She's not as pretty in person," with only 2 exceptions.

 

Every picture in every magazine has been photoshopped, I've read articles where the celebs will see the preliminary changes and request that more are done. Everybody knows they're not real.

[MrNate]

Don't bother further defending yourself guys. This is yet another debate turning south. Even aside from good advice, Jersey is just going to accuse you of 'avoiding the issue' and spinning the debate around, while she does the exact thing she accuses others of doing. No response will suffice unless you agree with her point WITHOUT bringing up any sufferings pertaining to a male. Because if you do, then she will say you are avoiding her questions, disregarding the sufferings of women, and revert back to that being the actions of a 'typical male'..whatever that may be. The kicker is, if your point is legitimate, she will not acknowledge it, but rather just highlight the ones she disagrees with and go off on another tirade. The silly accusations just never stop. It's kind of like a hamster running on it's wheel.

 

 

I really can't help but wonder if we men are dealing with a professional troll. I guess healthy discussions are becoming more and more nonexistent.

[SarahRose]

Don't bother further defending yourself guys. This is yet another debate turning south. Even aside from good advice, Jersey is just going to accuse you of 'avoiding the issue' and spinning the debate around, while she does the exact thing she accuses others of doing. No response will suffice unless you agree with her point WITHOUT bringing up any sufferings pertaining to a male. Because if you do, then she will say you are avoiding her questions, disregarding the sufferings of women, and revert back to that being the actions of a 'typical male'..whatever that may be. The kicker is, if your point is legitimate, she will not acknowledge it, but rather just highlight the ones she disagrees with and go off on another tirade. The silly accusations just never stop. It's kind of like a hamster running on it's wheel.

 

 

I really can't help but wonder if we men are dealing with a professional troll. I guess healthy discussions are becoming more and more nonexistent.

 

So where in this thread has any male poster talked about the sufferings of women or even show an understanding of the issue?

[MrNate]

So where in this thread has any male poster talked about the sufferings of women or even show an understanding of the issue?

 

What I'm trying to understand is why we're talking about this in the first place.

 

The thread was titled 'why do men think photoshopped images are real'. Several men have acknowledged that we fully understand that they aren't. A few guys list there preferences here and there, then BAM, somehow, through some odd shift in the stars above, the discussion shifted towards 'women against the world', despite what we say.

 

Furthermore, what response are you women trying to get out of us exactly? An apology? A deep regret for the fact that a lot of us have shortcomings, but are perfectly logical and rational in many ways? Please enlighten us. I'll leave men's issues out of this, so it won't look like i'm trying to divert from the issue. Because whatever the issue is, it sounds like something that isn't our fault, nor worth an apology over.

[brokenblade]

I try to explain this to people all the time. like you said, guys look at a picture of a girl and they are like oh dam shes hot. I will explain to them that if that girl walked past you in public you probably wouldnt even notice her because she would look so different. This is why I prefer girls that arent near a #10. I prefer girls that dont wear lots of makeup, hair spray, etc, Its all bunch of BS with guys/girls that give in to chasin a false image of perfection

 

I would swear to people that all of my pictures were photoshopped. Every picture I look at and it is Shrek after he's been dipped in tar. Or some random hideous monster.

 

My "pictures" are my very reason for low self esteem!

[somedude81]

I would like to point out that the issue isn't men setting standards for women to live up to, it's society setting standards for women to live up to. Women are as guilty as men are - we judge ourselves and other women by unrealistic standards. I look at other women and evaluate them in comparison to what I see in the media, and I'm critical if they're overweight or don't wear makeup etc. I know that guys prefer a bit of meat on my bones, because they've told me so, but I still diet and exercise with the aim of being stick thin like the women portrayed in the media.

 

Fashion models, for example, are not super slim to appeal to men - they're skinny because women demand to see clothes displayed on skinny frames. The front rows at the fashion shows are full of women, not leering men. I've seen photos of clothes displayed on fat women, and it dissuades me from buying the clothes because they don't look nice - marketing is aspirational, and women don't aspire to look like fatties. Women demand to see skinny models and celebrities as much as men do! Look at the criticism Britney Spears got for being "fat" and "out of shape" when she appeared on MTV looking like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cVZQ6feQJPs/R1ALLhpJ9UI/AAAAAAAAACM/dqb-PwIPTrM/s1600-R/britney_spears_mtv_vma_20073_lg.jpg

Great point Eeyore. It's rare to see a guy who actually prefers the super skinny models. Its just not attractive and most likely unhealthy.

 

I believe that very few men actually expect women to live up to model standards.

[Green]

I would actualy argue that it is "girls who think heavily photoshopped photos are real" and something they need to live up too. Not guys

[TheBigQuestion]

What I'm trying to understand is why we're talking about this in the first place.

 

The thread was titled 'why do men think photoshopped images are real'. Several men have acknowledged that we fully understand that they aren't. A few guys list there preferences here and there, then BAM, somehow, through some odd shift in the stars above, the discussion shifted towards 'women against the world', despite what we say.

 

Furthermore, what response are you women trying to get out of us exactly? An apology? A deep regret for the fact that a lot of us have shortcomings, but are perfectly logical and rational in many ways? Please enlighten us. I'll leave men's issues out of this, so it won't look like i'm trying to divert from the issue. Because whatever the issue is, it sounds like something that isn't our fault, nor worth an apology over.

 

This thread basically started off by insulting the intelligence of men. If you're a guy who posts on this site and who can put together coherent sentences, you know that magazine images are extensively edited. I'm 23 now and I've known since I was about 9 that people in magazines don't look the same in real life or on TV.

[MrNate]

This thread basically started off by insulting the intelligence of men. If you're a guy who posts on this site and who can put together coherent sentences, you know that magazine images are extensively edited. I'm 23 now and I've known since I was about 9 that people in magazines don't look the same in real life or on TV.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Heck, I dare ask what about the women who think photoshopped images of men are real. Why aren't men raising hell over this? But seeing as that these questions would be taken as diverting away from the issue, and avoiding answering any questions, I won't ask them, and will leave them out.

 

What's even funnier is how the phrase 'some men' is included in the thread title, and we (all males) still get blasted.

[DanielMadr]

The problem is like this>

"My husband does not sleep with me anymore. Either thanks to Internet porn or thanks to our younger neighbor. All men are pigs(not only my man) and society is to blame for that because......"

What I find shocking is how this BS gets magnified in media and women magazines like it is a real problem.

 

I think I should blame the media and society I didn't get laid last weekend...my date was brainwashed to think of me as a pig just because I have a penis. Sue them, ban them, shame them. I'm a VICTIM.

 

It is not my fault. I have a gut. Cried to her about how all women think of men as pigs. And I didn't get laid. It is not my fault. She was brainwashed. And she is superficial too...my gut is natural.

IT IS NOT MY FAULT. I'm feeling much better know I know it is society's fault and media.

 

Aaaaargh:p

Edited June 1, 2010 by DanielMadr

[MrNate]

The problem is like this>

"My husband does not sleep with me anymore. Either thanks to Internet porn or thanks to our younger neighbor. All men are pigs(not only my man) and society is to blame for that because......"

What I find shocking is how this BS gets magnified in media and women magazines like it is a real problem.

 

I think I should blame the media and society I didn't get laid last weekend...my date was brainwashed to think of me as a pig just because I have a penis. Sue them, ban them, shame them. I'm a VICTIM.

It is not my fault. I have a gut. Cried to her about how all women think of men as pigs. And I didn't get laid. It is not my fault. She was brainwashed. And she is superficial too...my gut is natural.

IT IS NOT MY FAULT. I'm feeling much better know I know it is society's fault and media.

 

Aaaaargh:p

 

This is great. L.O.L.

[SarahRose]

This thread basically started off by insulting the intelligence of men. If you're a guy who posts on this site and who can put together coherent sentences, you know that magazine images are extensively edited. I'm 23 now and I've known since I was about 9 that people in magazines don't look the same in real life or on TV.

 

The way you guys act about photos and porn and other images, it seems like there is nothing but a dim 2watt bulb in there.