How important is education in your SO?

[torranceshipman]

I don't get defensive when someone says they did it all themselves. I get irritated when someone says, "So-and-so coasted on their parents' money" only because their parents helped pay for their college education, and people in this thread were talking down to marsle85 and almost insulting her because she's not paying all of her college expenses herself. That's remarkably obnoxious, IMO.

 

Yes, that would be an unfair comment. BUT some of Marsle's comments did actually come across as arrogant, although I don't think she meant for that sentiment to come across.

 

I do have a general comment to make - I see a lot of talk of education on this thread, but not a great deal of wisdom. A wise person would have the humility to realize that a degree is just one small building block to becoming truly educated and wise - some people do seem to think this way but a lot of people also seem to completely overstate what an undergraduate degree at a good school represents (not that I am knocking it - a degree is something to be proud of!).

[sweetjasmine]

I do have a general comment to make - I see a lot of talk of education on this thread, but not a great deal of wisdom. A wise person would have the humility to realize that a degree is just one small building block to becoming truly educated and wise - some people do seem to think this way but a lot of people also seem to completely overstate what an undergraduate degree at a good school represents (not that I am knocking it - a degree is something to be proud of!).

 

I agree, and wisdom comes with life experience. Getting a college degree is life experience, but the academic environment tends to be pretty sheltered. Real world experience is much different.

[Ihavenoidea]

This is not true. It takes more work and effort to get an MS in mechanical engineering than it does to get an AS in communications. "Special" is the wrong word for it, but not all degrees are the same.

 

 

 

This is also not true. Are you saying Bob Jones University is the same as Berkeley?

 

And since you keep comparing it to high school degrees, is there no difference between DC public schools and the best ranked public schools in the US?

 

 

 

That's the part I agree on.

 

LOL still way behind, I suppose I would respond if I didnt have to cut and paste.

 

I can only explain so many times.

 

honestly I could wing a short answer but judging by your responses you definetly wont get it . Its like playing the very end of a movie and expecting you to undertsand what happened.

[Crazy Magnet]

Believe me - it makes a difference. In that 30 seconds they look at your degree, where you got it from and your last job. Reading Harvard usually means 'do not throw in trash'.

 

That's exactly what that means and something I touched on in an earlier post. It would be silly not to recognize (for those of us at an Ivy school) what that little name will get us and I tend to think that most people who do not recognize that have never had the benefit of having some heavy weight name behind their degree or don't have a degree. I know I didn't realize what it could do for me until I got here (I came from a state school for undergrad for those who haven't read all 234354 pages of this thread.)

 

The other thing that helps is landing a major national award. Talk about opening doors. I can say "I am a ____ scholar" and people fall out of their chair to get me on their project or whatever. It's nice.

 

For these reasons, I'd like to date someone who recognizes what I've got going on academically. People who flippantly dismiss degrees as a piece of paper or who say it isn't necessary for success come across as demeaning what I have done. If I have to explain to a guy what a ______ scholar is, then he probably isn't going to understand me.

 

The BF knew exactly what it was and what that implied when I told him which of course, earned him brownie points.

[Ihavenoidea]

That's exactly what that means and something I touched on in an earlier post. It would be silly not to recognize (for those of us at an Ivy school) what that little name will get us and I tend to think that most people who do not recognize that have never had the benefit of having some heavy weight name behind their degree or don't have a degree. I know I didn't realize what it could do for me until I got here (I came from a state school for undergrad for those who haven't read all 234354 pages of this thread.)

 

The other thing that helps is landing a major national award. Talk about opening doors. I can say "I am a ____ scholar" and people fall out of their chair to get me on their project or whatever. It's nice.

 

For these reasons, I'd like to date someone who recognizes what I've got going on academically. People who flippantly dismiss degrees as a piece of paper or who say it isn't necessary for success come across as demeaning what I have done. If I have to explain to a guy what a ______ scholar is, then he probably isn't going to understand me.

 

The BF knew exactly what it was and what that implied when I told him which of course, earned him brownie points.

 

My resume doesnt have a degree on it nor any special training. I compete against guys with degrees, from UMUC, from Embry-Riddle, from Berkley., from top engineering and IT schools, as well as IT professionals with Certifications from Microsoft and various other places. I still get the job.

 

When I interview people I dont care what "________ Scholar" they are all I care about is they understand the job, can do the job, and fit with the team.

 

People with degrees wont understand.

[Engadget]

I think it's time to start asking for proof of these Ivy league degrees. Seems to be a few too many on an internet dating site.

[Ihavenoidea]

I think it's time to start asking for proof of these Ivy league degrees. Seems to be a few too many on an internet dating site.

 

I agree I posted my creds and the school I was accepted into and chose not to finish.

 

LOL I am proud to say I didnt waste my time finishing my degree, but more power to thos who do.

 

But I agree sure is a lot of talk of Ivy leagues on here, I called Vertex out on it and he never responded.

[Engadget]

That's exactly what that means and something I touched on in an earlier post. It would be silly not to recognize (for those of us at an Ivy school) what that little name will get us and I tend to think that most people who do not recognize that have never had the benefit of having some heavy weight name behind their degree or don't have a degree. I know I didn't realize what it could do for me until I got here (I came from a state school for undergrad for those who haven't read all 234354 pages of this thread.)

 

The other thing that helps is landing a major national award. Talk about opening doors. I can say "I am a ____ scholar" and people fall out of their chair to get me on their project or whatever. It's nice.

 

For these reasons, I'd like to date someone who recognizes what I've got going on academically. People who flippantly dismiss degrees as a piece of paper or who say it isn't necessary for success come across as demeaning what I have done. If I have to explain to a guy what a ______ scholar is, then he probably isn't going to understand me.

 

The BF knew exactly what it was and what that implied when I told him which of course, earned him brownie points.

 

So if a guy doesn't understand what a blank scholar is, he won't understand you? That makes absolutely no sense, it's simply an award you got, and has nothing to do with your personality.

 

The arrogance is astounding, this thread needs to go away.

[sweetjasmine]

LOL still way behind, I suppose I would respond if I didnt have to cut and paste.

 

I can only explain so many times.

 

honestly I could wing a short answer but judging by your responses you definetly wont get it . Its like playing the very end of a movie and expecting you to undertsand what happened.

 

Thanks for being a condescending d-ck, but I've been following this thread the whole time, and you've failed to make a good argument or explain yourself clearly. But I'll drop it since you don't want to answer anyway.

 

I think it's time to start asking for proof of these Ivy league degrees. Seems to be a few too many on an internet dating site.

 

lol, proof? Yes, let me grab my camera and take a picture of myself with my diploma and a note saying, "Hi, Engadget, it's me, SJ!" in order to prove myself to a bunch of anonymous strangers. I honestly don't give a sh-t if you think I'm lying about where I went to school, and where I went to school is irrelevant to the discussion, anyway. What's it supposed to prove?

[sweetjasmine]

So if a guy doesn't understand what a blank scholar is, he won't understand you? That makes absolutely no sense, it's simply an award you got, and has nothing to do with your personality.

 

That's not what she's saying. I think she's saying that she'd rather date someone who understands that becoming an X scholar was a meaningful accomplishment for her and who won't dismiss it as just some random meaningless BS. No one likes it when their partner tells them that their accomplishments are meaningless BS.

 

Would you date someone who thought it was meaningless BS that you have a successful career because all that matters in life is getting a college degree? Or would you think they're jerks who are being condescending?

[Engadget]

That's not what she's saying. I think she's saying that she'd rather date someone who understands that becoming an X scholar was a meaningful accomplishment for her and who won't dismiss it as just some random meaningless BS. No one likes it when their partner tells them that their accomplishments are meaningless BS.

 

Would you date someone who thought it was meaningless BS that you have a successful career because all that matters in life is getting a college degree? Or would you think they're jerks who are being condescending?

 

What she said was "If I have to explain to a guy what a ___ scholar is, he probably won't understand me" and that's what I find incredibly arrogant.

 

If you date a guy who works on computers, and understand nothing of how to do what he does, does that make you understand him, or like him less? No, not at all.

[sweetjasmine]

What she said was "If I have to explain to a guy what a ___ scholar is, he probably won't understand me" and that's what I find incredibly arrogant.

 

If you date a guy who works on computers, and understand nothing of how to do what he does, does that make you understand him, or like him less? No, not at all.

 

I disagree with her on that, in that a lot of people aren't aware of things like that, and it doesn't necessarily mean they won't understand you or your work or how much it might matter to you.

 

But it's not a matter of understanding how to do it but a matter of understanding what it is and what value your partner assigns to it. If I thought my computer fixing boyfriend was just tinkering with toys and wasting his time and if I didn't understand that his work meant something to him and that his work is excellent compared to the work his peers do and that he is very accomplished in his field, then, yeah, he'd probably not like my attitude very much.

[Engadget]

I disagree with her on that, in that a lot of people aren't aware of things like that, and it doesn't necessarily mean they won't understand you or your work or how much it might matter to you.

 

But it's not a matter of understanding how to do it but a matter of understanding what it is and what value your partner assigns to it. If I thought my computer fixing boyfriend was just tinkering with toys and wasting his time and if I didn't understand that his work meant something to him and that his work is excellent compared to the work his peers do and that he is very accomplished in his field, then, yeah, he'd probably not like my attitude very much.

 

So if it was a hobby you'd have an issue, and also if he wasn't better than his peers and more accomplished?

[VertexSquared]

I agree I posted my creds and the school I was accepted into and chose not to finish.

 

LOL I am proud to say I didnt waste my time finishing my degree, but more power to thos who do.

 

But I agree sure is a lot of talk of Ivy leagues on here, I called Vertex out on it and he never responded.

 

The hell? What, do you want a screenshot of my diplomas or something? lmfao

[Ihavenoidea]

Thanks for being a condescending d-ck, but I've been following this thread the whole time, and you've failed to make a good argument or explain yourself clearly. But I'll drop it since you don't want to answer anyway.

 

 

 

lol, proof? Yes, let me grab my camera and take a picture of myself with my diploma and a note saying, "Hi, Engadget, it's me, SJ!" in order to prove myself to a bunch of anonymous strangers. I honestly don't give a sh-t if you think I'm lying about where I went to school, and where I went to school is irrelevant to the discussion, anyway. What's it supposed to prove?

 

Sorry

 

Just tired of explaining my self over and voer and it seems the thread is just going in circles.

[Crazy Magnet]

My resume doesnt have a degree on it nor any special training. I compete against guys with degrees, from UMUC, from Embry-Riddle, from Berkley., from top engineering and IT schools, as well as IT professionals with Certifications from Microsoft and various other places. I still get the job.

 

When I interview people I dont care what "________ Scholar" they are all I care about is they understand the job, can do the job, and fit with the team.

 

People with degrees wont understand.

 

The difference is I'm not applying for some 9-5 job anybody can do. You would not be able to compete with me in MY job market without a degree and likely you will need a PhD. A large portion of my faculty hold Presidential appointments and that's my aim too. It will most certainly matter that I have an academic pedigree a mile long. I didn't put in all the work to be a _______ Scholar so I could work a drone job. I did it because I pursued this trajectory so that I could be on the national and international policy forming scene.

 

I perfectly understand where you're coming. I recognize you are happy there. Recognize that your life is not what I want for myself and I need a man who understands where I'm coming from. Not all of us are satisfied with regular jobs (trust me, there are days I frustrate myself wondering why I'm so intent on getting to the top) and our accomplishments are needed to open doors that would otherwise be closed.

[sweetjasmine]

So if it was a hobby you'd have an issue, and also if he wasn't better than his peers and more accomplished?

 

What?

 

You're completely missing my point. I don't even understand what you're trying to ask me.

 

I'm saying if I had those attitudes towards my partner's work, it would hurt his feelings, and he would have every right to be upset with me because I'd be a condescending jerk for belittling his accomplishments. If he was very accomplished in something, and I dismissed it as stupid and meaningless, HE WOULD BE HURT.

 

Again, would you want to date someone who thinks what you do is meaningless and worthless because you don't have a college degree? No, you want someone who respects you for your hard work and understands that it means something to you, even if they don't understand how to do it themselves.

 

Does that make more sense?

[Ihavenoidea]

The difference is I'm not applying for some 9-5 job anybody can do. You would not be able to compete with me in MY job market without a degree and likely you will need a PhD. A large portion of my faculty hold Presidential appointments and that's my aim too. It will most certainly matter that I have an academic pedigree a mile long. I didn't put in all the work to be a _______ Scholar so I could work a drone job. I did it because I pursued this trajectory so that I could be on the national and international policy forming scene.

 

I perfectly understand where you're coming. I recognize you are happy there. Recognize that your life is not what I want for myself and I need a man who understands where I'm coming from. Not all of us are satisfied with regular jobs (trust me, there are days I frustrate myself wondering why I'm so intent on getting to the top) and our accomplishments are needed to open doors that would otherwise be closed.

 

A drone job? my job is certainly isnt a drone job and not everyone can do what I do, but perhaps they could if they tried, just as I could do your job if I tried. Academic Pedigree, thats hilarious.

 

Not all jobs that are not your are drone jobs.

 

Presidential appointments, let me get you a cookie

[Crazy Magnet]

That's not what she's saying. I think she's saying that she'd rather date someone who understands that becoming an X scholar was a meaningful accomplishment for her and who won't dismiss it as just some random meaningless BS. No one likes it when their partner tells them that their accomplishments are meaningless BS.

 

Would you date someone who thought it was meaningless BS that you have a successful career because all that matters in life is getting a college degree? Or would you think they're jerks who are being condescending?

 

This is what I'm saying. I've dated guys who had no idea what it was and basically sloughed on my education as meaningless. They didn't last long. I'm not talking about "Oh, I got some scholarship" I'm talking the Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright, Goldwater stuff. Those ARE big deals.

[Ihavenoidea]

This is what I'm saying. I've dated guys who had no idea what it was and basically sloughed on my education as meaningless. They didn't last long. I'm not talking about "Oh, I got some scholarship" I'm talking the Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright, Goldwater stuff. Those ARE big deals.

 

Big deals to you maybe but nobody else cares.

 

Im not saying they are meaningless im just saying they arent a big deal to anyone else.

 

Thats been one of the biggest arguments here, people write about all this great stuff they did and all these degrees they hold and all these amazing job.

 

but at the end of the day a lot of us are on the same level without degrees.

Edited June 10, 2010 by Ihavenoidea

[sweetjasmine]

Big deals to you maybe but nobody else cares.

 

Im not saying they are meaningless im just saying they arent a big deal to anyone else.

 

Even if they aren't a big deal to anyone else, if your partner thought it was important and a great accomplishment, would you tell them, "Big deal, who cares?" ?

[VertexSquared]

I feel like at the end of the day it's just a compatibility thing. Some people may think it's arrogant to want someone who can understand and respect what a _____ Scholar is (I am 99% sure I know what it is based on posts but I will keep it on the d-low ), and yet we all have accomplishments and talents that make us proud. It's not unreasonable to want someone who can identify and truly understand what it means to have these accomplishments.

 

 

As an aside, Ihavenoidea, for someone who claims to have dropped out of school and that we are all being arrogant, I feel like you are the most belittling person in this thread. You constantly discredit everyone's accomplishments as if they are completely worthless without understanding what kind of work goes into such things.

[Crazy Magnet]

A drone job? my job is certainly isnt a drone job and not everyone can do what I do, but perhaps they could if they tried, just as I could do your job if I tried. Academic Pedigree, thats hilarious.

 

Not all jobs that are not your are drone jobs.

 

Presidential appointments, let me get you a cookie

 

 

I'd give me a cookie. I'd give anyone a cookie who was setting national policies. I'd give then 10 cookies.

 

What I find so hilarious is that I can see exactly where you are coming from, but you're still so shoved up your own butt that you can't see where we (meaning the stuck up Ivy educated ones) are coming from.

 

Perhaps this is a gift of our higher education.

[torranceshipman]

The difference is I'm not applying for some 9-5 job anybody can do. You would not be able to compete with me in MY job market without a degree and likely you will need a PhD. A large portion of my faculty hold Presidential appointments and that's my aim too. It will most certainly matter that I have an academic pedigree a mile long. I didn't put in all the work to be a _______ Scholar so I could work a drone job. I did it because I pursued this trajectory so that I could be on the national and international policy forming scene.

 

I perfectly understand where you're coming. I recognize you are happy there. Recognize that your life is not what I want for myself and I need a man who understands where I'm coming from. Not all of us are satisfied with regular jobs (trust me, there are days I frustrate myself wondering why I'm so intent on getting to the top) and our accomplishments are needed to open doors that would otherwise be closed.

 

I think that your ambitions are brilliant but if you don't mind me saying - your post sounds arrogant. I am sure that wasn't your intention, but this is why a lot of what is said windsother people up so much. Good for you that you want to achieve so much - and have pride in it - but what you refer to as a regular job might be worth absolute gold. For example, a primary school teacher who works in an inner city school, who changes the life of one kid. Imagine that - changing a kid's life - quite something -and sometimes something of a thankless, debilitating job to take on day-on-day, if you know anything about inner city schools - and we are lucky to have those kinds of people in our society. It takes all kinds to make a successful world but some jobs tend to command more respect than others, for one reason or another. But it isn't a good thing for us to stand in judgement over each other and think that we are better than 'regular' people for our career choices, regardless of whether they are off the radar $20k jobs or policy leaders of our state.

[Ihavenoidea]

Even if they aren't a big deal to anyone else, if your partner thought it was important and a great accomplishment, would you tell them, "Big deal, who cares?" ?

 

No never, I would support them and be proud of them and make them feel special but do I honestly care NO.

 

My ex had her masters and was persueing her PhD. Thats AWESOME!

 

I still accomplished more, saw more, experienced more, and made WAy more than she probably ever will