How important is education in your SO?

[Ihavenoidea]

I'd give me a cookie. I'd give anyone a cookie who was setting national policies. I'd give then 10 cookies.

 

What I find so hilarious is that I can see exactly where you are coming from, but you're still so shoved up your own butt that you can't see where we (meaning the stuck up Ivy educated ones) are coming from.

 

Perhaps this is a gift of our higher education.

 

Plenty of smart, dumb people out there.

 

Maybe I should finish and get a PhD in Engineering Physics as it would make me much more qualified LOL

 

Even with a PhD my opinion wouldnt change half the reason I didnt finish, pointless.

[Engadget]

What?

 

You're completely missing my point. I don't even understand what you're trying to ask me.

 

I'm saying if I had those attitudes towards my partner's work, it would hurt his feelings, and he would have every right to be upset with me because I'd be a condescending jerk for belittling his accomplishments. If he was very accomplished in something, and I dismissed it as stupid and meaningless, HE WOULD BE HURT.

 

Again, would you want to date someone who thinks what you do is meaningless and worthless because you don't have a college degree? No, you want someone who respects you for your hard work and understands that it means something to you, even if they don't understand how to do it themselves.

 

Does that make more sense?

 

Well if you're talking about me specifically, I have a college degree and don't really care at all what someone thinks about it.

 

I could die tomorrow, spending half my life in school acquiring knowledge is not what I wish to do with my time, there's far more to life than be born, go to school, work, and die.

 

Also, knowledge does not equal intelligence, which is another point I've been making. A Doctor who knows every word of every textbook he's seen, but can't apply it in an emergency situation is entirely useless.

 

My product management professor pointed it out when he said some students in mechanical engineering could recite everything from his lessons, but not actually apply it in the real world, that's NOT what I ever want to be.

[Ihavenoidea]

I think that your ambitions are brilliant but if you don't mind me saying - your post sounds arrogant. I am sure that wasn't your intention, but this is why a lot of what is said windsother people up so much. Good for you that you want to achieve so much - and have pride in it - but what you refer to as a regular job might be worth absolute gold. For example, a primary school teacher who works in an inner city school, who changes the life of one kid. Imagine that - changing a kid's life - quite something -and sometimes something of a thankless, debilitating job to take on day-on-day, if you know anything about inner city schools - and we are lucky to have those kinds of people in our society. It takes all kinds to make a successful world but some jobs tend to command more respect than others, for one reason or another. But it isn't a good thing for us to stand in judgement over each other and think that we are better than 'regular' people for our career choices, regardless of whether they are off the radar $20k jobs or policy leaders of our state.

 

I couldnt agree more.

[sweetjasmine]

Well if you're talking about me specifically, I have a college degree and don't really care at all what someone thinks about it.

 

I could die tomorrow, spending half my life in school acquiring knowledge is not what I wish to do with my time, there's far more to life than be born, go to school, work, and die.

 

Also, knowledge does not equal intelligence, which is another point I've been making. A Doctor who knows every word of every textbook he's seen, but can't apply it in an emergency situation is entirely useless.

 

My product management professor pointed it out when he said some students in mechanical engineering could recite everything from his lessons, but not actually apply it in the real world, that's NOT what I ever want to be.

 

I agree there's far more to life than going to school and that people with degrees often have no clue how to apply their knowledge.

 

I was just trying to say that you were sort of misreading CM's post. I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks that accomplishments I consider important are meaningless and stupid. And I would feel like a jerk if I thought my partner's accomplishments were meaningless and stupid.

[VertexSquared]

Also, knowledge does not equal intelligence, which is another point I've been making. A Doctor who knows every word of every textbook he's seen, but can't apply it in an emergency situation is entirely useless.

 

My product management professor pointed it out when he said some students in mechanical engineering could recite everything from his lessons, but not actually apply it in the real world, that's NOT what I ever want to be.

 

Again I feel like you keep picking out examples of the minority against the rule rather than acknowledging the truthful majority of the rule, as if a few counterexamples suddenly null out an overwhelming trend.

[Engadget]

I agree there's far more to life than going to school and that people with degrees often have no clue how to apply their knowledge.

 

I was just trying to say that you were sort of misreading CM's post. I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks that accomplishments I consider important are meaningless and stupid. And I would feel like a jerk if I thought my partner's accomplishments were meaningless and stupid.

 

Well I agree with that, someone who thinks your accomplishments are meaningless is a fool. However she changed what she was saying, what you said and she later did, versus not knowing what one specific award is, is a huge, huge difference.

 

"My boyfriend thinks my nursing degree is stupid"

 

versus

 

"My boyfriend doesn't know what a Rhodes scholar is, I'm dumping him"

[VertexSquared]

I agree there's far more to life than going to school and that people with degrees often have no clue how to apply their knowledge.

 

I was just trying to say that you were sort of misreading CM's post. I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks that accomplishments I consider important are meaningless and stupid. And I would feel like a jerk if I thought my partner's accomplishments were meaningless and stupid.

 

I agree with this, yepyep

[Crazy Magnet]

I think that your ambitions are brilliant but if you don't mind me saying - your post sounds arrogant. I am sure that wasn't your intention, but this is why a lot of what is said windsother people up so much. Good for you that you want to achieve so much - and have pride in it - but what you refer to as a regular job might be worth absolute gold. For example, a primary school teacher who works in an inner city school, who changes the life of one kid. Imagine that - changing a kid's life - quite something -and sometimes something of a thankless, debilitating job to take on day-on-day, if you know anything about inner city schools - and we are lucky to have those kinds of people in our society. It takes all kinds to make a successful world but some jobs tend to command more respect than others, for one reason or another. But it isn't a good thing for us to stand in judgement over each other and think that we are better than 'regular' people for our career choices, regardless of whether they are off the radar $20k jobs or policy leaders of our state.

 

 

Prior to pursuing my current degree I stopped and worked to give back a little. I was a high school teacher in inner city NY (Brooklyn). Those teachers are worth their weight in gold and are up against so much. It is because of this experience that I am now pursuing the goals that I am, so hopefully I can make a change in the lives of kids like those. I got paid squat, I cried a lot, I practically got shot, stabbed, mugged on my way to school more often than I care to think about. Hopefully I was able to make a difference in their lives but who knows. Regardless, they made a difference in mine.

 

Having a "regular" job isn't good enough for me because I can't sit here and watch things like the lives of inner city kids getting sucked into street life without doing more. I can't work an 9-5 IT job because I can't handle knowing that I'm not improving the world on a larger scale. Somebody has to do it, so I figure it ought to be me. I've been there, lived it, experienced it, and realize that somebody needs to go fight for it.

 

I also realize that my educational pedigree is what's going to get me in a place to do these things. Mr. Anybody off the street isn't going to be able to do this.

 

I don't mean for it to come off as arrogant, but it's just the way things are at this level. I've accepted it for what it is and work the system to my advantage.

[Engadget]

I agree there's far more to life than going to school and that people with degrees often have no clue how to apply their knowledge.

 

I was just trying to say that you were sort of misreading CM's post. I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks that accomplishments I consider important are meaningless and stupid. And I would feel like a jerk if I thought my partner's accomplishments were meaningless and stupid.

 

Well I agree with that, someone who thinks your accomplishments are meaningless is a fool. However she changed what she was saying, what you said and she later did, versus not knowing what one specific award is, is a huge, huge difference.

 

"My boyfriend thinks my nursing degree is stupid"

 

versus

 

"My boyfriend doesn't know what a Rhodes scholar is, I'm dumping him"

 

Again I feel like you keep picking out examples of the minority against the rule rather than acknowledging the truthful majority of the rule, as if a few counterexamples suddenly null out an overwhelming trend.

 

You're misunderstanding what I'm getting at, and I am not saying anecdotal evidence proves you're wrong. I'm saying in everything I've seen in my life, what I'm saying is correct.

 

Furthermore, knowledge does not equal intelligence, you have to agree on that. You can go memorize every President in US history, but if it contributes nothing, what's the point? Does the simple fact of knowing it make you intelligent? No.

 

Beyond that, people earning more having degrees, never argued that. It's obvious. My only other point was the arrogance it takes to look down at your nose at anyone not at your perceived "level" because they "won't understand you". As if a Doctor and a teacher couldn't date because they earn differently, work differently, and essentially exist in different societal classes.

 

See what I'm getting at yet?

[Engadget]

Prior to pursuing my current degree I stopped and worked to give back a little. I was a high school teacher in inner city NY (Brooklyn). Those teachers are worth their weight in gold and are up against so much. It is because of this experience that I am now pursuing the goals that I am, so hopefully I can make a change in the lives of kids like those. I got paid squat, I cried a lot, I practically got shot, stabbed, mugged on my way to school more often than I care to think about. Hopefully I was able to make a difference in their lives but who knows. Regardless, they made a difference in mine.

 

Having a "regular" job isn't good enough for me because I can't sit here and watch things like the lives of inner city kids getting sucked into street life without doing more. I can't work an 9-5 IT job because I can't handle knowing that I'm not improving the world on a larger scale. Somebody has to do it, so I figure it ought to be me. I've been there, lived it, experienced it, and realize that somebody needs to go fight for it.

 

I also realize that my educational pedigree is what's going to get me in a place to do these things. Mr. Anybody off the street isn't going to be able to do this.

 

I don't mean for it to come off as arrogant, but it's just the way things are at this level. I've accepted it for what it is and work the system to my advantage.

 

So from an inner city teacher, to a possible Presidental appointee?

 

No offense honey, I'm thinking you got this story from a Lifetime movie or something. Sounds a bit too far fetched to actually be true.

[VertexSquared]

So from an inner city teacher, to a possible Presidental appointee?

 

No offense honey, I'm thinking you got this story from a Lifetime movie or something. Sounds a bit too far fetched to actually be true.

 

This is utterly ridiculous. Why so much disbelief in this thread?

 

My own experience isn't too far off, either. I used to teach as well. I've also worked retail, selling books, staffing a library, mowing lawns, tutoring students, painting, fixing computers, etc -- a variety of odd jobs, in addition to the bigger internships. I came from an extremely poor family -- first generation college student, too. As a 23-year old graduate, I make a very good salary and also help financially support students who were in a similar position to me (directly) through a means I won't say for privacy reasons. But I am able to give back in a way and help shape lives in a way that I couldn't do at a standard 9-5 gig answering phone calls or working a retail floor.

 

But it's not just about giving back -- a lot of it is about what's important to oneself, personally. If you have ambition and a lot of drive and brains, you'll want a partner who can share this with you. It's a mindset -- and having a difference in that type of mindset is oftentimes very hard to reconcile.

[Engadget]

This is utterly ridiculous. Why so much disbelief in this thread?

 

My own experience isn't too far off, either. I used to teach as well. I've also worked retail, selling books, staffing a library, mowing lawns, tutoring students, painting, fixing computers, etc -- a variety of odd jobs, in addition to the bigger internships. I came from an extremely poor family -- first generation college student, too. As a 23-year old graduate, I make a very good salary and also help financially support students who were in a similar position to me (directly) through a means I won't say for privacy reasons. But I am able to give back in a way and help shape lives in a way that I couldn't do at a standard 9-5 gig answering phone calls or working a retail floor.

 

But it's not just about giving back -- a lot of it is about what's important to oneself, personally. If you have ambition and a lot of drive and brains, you'll want a partner who can share this with you. It's a mindset -- and having a difference in that type of mindset is oftentimes very hard to reconcile.

 

Yes, ambition brains and drive are all well and good. However when you say that a degree is necessary to be on your level, or understand you or whatever, that's where my issue comes into play.

 

Why so much disbelief? This is the internet. I could tell you I make millions every year with no way to verify it, and I've come across too many boasters/liars on forums to believe almost anything.

[VertexSquared]

You're misunderstanding what I'm getting at, and I am not saying anecdotal evidence proves you're wrong. I'm saying in everything I've seen in my life, what I'm saying is correct.

 

Furthermore, knowledge does not equal intelligence, you have to agree on that. You can go memorize every President in US history, but if it contributes nothing, what's the point? Does the simple fact of knowing it make you intelligent? No.

 

Beyond that, people earning more having degrees, never argued that. It's obvious. My only other point was the arrogance it takes to look down at your nose at anyone not at your perceived "level" because they "won't understand you". As if a Doctor and a teacher couldn't date because they earn differently, work differently, and essentially exist in different societal classes.

 

See what I'm getting at yet?

 

No, I am not misunderstanding you. I am fully aware of the difference between knowledge (simply having hard facts) and intelligence (speed/ability/agility/versatility/contribution/depth of application). My point, though, is that even though you'll find very knowledgeable people in institutions of higher education, you'll also find very intelligent and ambitious people, too, and with a higher frequency than you would OUTSIDE the institution. I feel like you assume education = very knowledge-based. The type of education I refer to demands a fairly intense level of intelligence as well. Therefore, as a result, I am more likely to find intelligent women by looking in such circles. I am more likely to find people who share a similar life track.

 

As for the "looking down" claim, I never said that we're "looking down" on others, but when we say that there is usually a "lack of understanding" issue, it's totally true. One of the reasons I enjoyed college was because of the people. It was refreshing to be able to have such hilariously nerdy discussions late into the night over a night out for pizza. Ever seen The Big Bang Theory (the show)? It felt a lot like that to me. I can't have those kind of conversations with most people.

[carhill]

My product management professor pointed it out when he said some students in mechanical engineering could recite everything from his lessons, but not actually apply it in the real world, that's NOT what I ever want to be.

I recall one time, flying overseas, sitting next to an avionics engineer from Embraer (an aircraft manufacturer) and, as aviation is one of my hobbies, talk turned to aircraft construction. I was fascinated with the intricacies of the electrical, electronic and hydraulic systems on the new Embraer aircraft, having manufactured parts for private aircraft, and he had lots of great information to share. I asked him at one point 'Do you see it?' He asked 'What?" I said "Do you see it working in your mind? Do you visualize the parts working together in your mind?". He looked at me like I was nuts. He never would find out that I had no formal college education. It wasn't important. He would have that job because he had the degree. Had 'he' been 'she', it's possible she might have judged me for not having a degree. Education *is* important. That's OK with me. I like my hobbies.

[Crazy Magnet]

Yes, ambition brains and drive are all well and good. However when you say that a degree is necessary to be on your level, or understand you or whatever, that's where my issue comes into play.

 

Why so much disbelief? This is the internet. I could tell you I make millions every year with no way to verify it, and I've come across too many boasters/liars on forums to believe almost anything.

 

How is it so hard to believe?

 

Go to college and graduate.

Fulfill obligations for big national award.

teach in inner city (then decide that I need to do more and plan the path)

apply for MA...graduate

Apply to PhD while still in MA program

 

working on Phd now

 

I said my faculty have presidential appointments and that this is my plan. To end up in the same type of deal.

 

Hardly a big leap.

[WintersNightTraveler]

I am not saying anecdotal evidence proves you're wrong. I'm saying in everything I've seen in my life, what I'm saying is correct.

 

Que?

 

That's basically what an ancedote is.

[marsle85]

No never, I would support them and be proud of them and make them feel special but do I honestly care NO.

 

My ex had her masters and was persueing her PhD. Thats AWESOME!

 

I still accomplished more, saw more, experienced more, and made WAy more than she probably ever will

 

Your argument is futile. You have to have more evidence than "It doesn't mean anything because I say it doesn't!"

 

We, on the other hand- have a bank of bragging power... which includes ANY scientific or literary accomplishment.

[Ihavenoidea]

Welp, I think I laughed at most of this thread.

 

Good luck with all your "education" I hope it does well for everyone. For me, I will be climbing Mt Everest and Jumping out of planes, making just as much money and spending more time enjoying life rather then getting through it, while you study your little brains out. Whatever floats your boat.

 

-Peace.

 

PS Dont take everything I say personally. Everyone on LS is cool, just different opinions. If we all agreed it wouldnt be 23 pages of nonsense it would be 1 page full of "yes's".

[Ihavenoidea]

Your argument is futile. You have to have more evidence than "It doesn't mean anything because I say it doesn't!"

 

We, on the other hand- have a bank of bragging power... which includes ANY scientific or literary accomplishment.

 

Bank of bragging power, please. Have fun! my list will always be twice as long as yours feel free to PM me because I have done more in my life than most can say in multiple lifetimes.

[torranceshipman]

Ultimately this is about humility and the need to shed a bit of arrogance. 'i did thus did that and got the t shirt' isn't a wise attitude at all. Again, great for you (all posters) if you have ambition but a bit more realism is needed - and a bit more appreciation for the paths of others would also be nice. I could be a presidential candidate and I wouldn't being it up on here because I just don't feel the need to try to show that I am better than a regular joe.

[marsle85]

Bank of bragging power, please. Have fun! my list will always be twice as long as yours feel free to PM me because I have done more in my life than most can say in multiple lifetimes.

 

 

Do you even hear yourself? I consider that to be a very unrealistic, and ignorant statement. There is no argument here- you're not bringing anything to the table except the success you have had personally... which you acknowledge is rare. This is far from a critical thinking debate, your opinion simply isn't sufficient.

[Ihavenoidea]

Almost forgot. As Promised.

 

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[sweetjasmine]

Good luck with all your "education" I hope it does well for everyone. For me, I will be climbing Mt Everest and Jumping out of planes, making just as much money and spending more time enjoying life rather then getting through it, while you study your little brains out.

 

And this is the most condescending post in the whole thread.

 

Yes, climbing Mt. Everest makes you a lot better than the poor schmuck earning $20k/year sitting in the library reading 19th century German philosophy in order to write a dissertation only 3 people in the whole world will ever read. You're superior and you win at life because you figured out the only way to enjoy living. Congratulations. Now go on and keep scolding people for being arrogant and condescending by belittling their life choices.

[Crazy Magnet]

Welp, I think I laughed at most of this thread.

 

Good luck with all your "education" I hope it does well for everyone. For me, I will be climbing Mt Everest and Jumping out of planes, making just as much money and spending more time enjoying life rather then getting through it, while you study your little brains out. Whatever floats your boat.

 

-Peace.

 

PS Dont take everything I say personally. Everyone on LS is cool, just different opinions. If we all agreed it wouldnt be 23 pages of nonsense it would be 1 page full of "yes's".

 

 

Wait....you realize that school doesn't take 24 hours a day, right? Plus I'm not getting "through" anything, I love what I'm doing. It's like playing every day of the week.

 

When I'm not studying you can find me doing a myriad of wild things, like jumping out of planes, riding on the back of a dog sled in the arctic, checking out Angkor Wat, etc.

 

Money has never been my motivator, helping people is what makes me push myself. Money is actually last on my list of why education is important but you keep bringing it up like it matters. Hooray that I'll have a nice pay check but I really don't care. I've seen true poverty and I'm fine with only having what I need and donating the rest to charity.

[Ihavenoidea]

And this is the most condescending post in the whole thread.

 

Yes, climbing Mt. Everest makes you a lot better than the poor schmuck earning $20k/year sitting in the library reading 19th century German philosophy in order to write a dissertation only 3 people in the whole world will ever read. You're superior and you win at life because you figured out the only way to enjoy living. Congratulations. Now go on and keep scolding people for being arrogant and condescending by belittling their life choices.

 

I value life experience vs reading about it some place else.

 

condescending yes, true also yes.

 

This is where you cut yourselves short because I'm not superior and I don't win at life.

 

I'm sorry if I belittled everyone. If you read my earlier posts I support people going to college and I always advise people to persue education, I just convey that it isnt as special as what you all are saying.

 

We just consider different things special, why can't you respect that.