Eye of Hourus Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Pureinheart opposes loving homosexual relationships, and believes they are sinful, but apparently condones adulterous affairs, of which she was a party. But wait..I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for that. Waiting..waiting... [COLOR=#0000ff]Deuteronomy 22:22[/COLOR] [COLOR=#008000]"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Leviticus 20:10[/COLOR] [COLOR=#008000]"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."[/COLOR] [COLOR=#008000]"Give me that ole time religion" [/COLOR] [COLOR=#008000]The Eye [/COLOR] Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Qnd since we are talking about Christians and not Jews, Jesus himself is credited with teaching a lesson on that. Something about casting the first stone I believe. Link to post Share on other sites
Eye of Hourus Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Jesus orders Christians to follow the Old Testament's laws: Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18) It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled. "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) We clearly see in these verses that Jesus did not prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it. So it's Yaweh or the Highway. The Eye. Link to post Share on other sites
califnan Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Oh, I get it. So if someone who is in an adulterous affair gets dumped by their AP, they are considered repentant? Gotcha. ------------------ No. Repentant means to regret and turn away from sin .. Link to post Share on other sites
gamma1 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 ------------------ and the hatred and excuses of others.. What hatred? What's so horrible about treating gay people the same way straight people are treated? Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 ------------------ Since you're intent on bashing other posters - I'll answer for Pure. Ah, here we go. The great Pureinheart's self-appointed personal spokesman. Califnan does this a lot, especially for Pure. She seems to be under the impression that Pure is incapable of speaking up for herself, and often steps in with her own opinion. This is utterly condescending and patronising of course. But I'm sure it's done with Christianly love, and we all know how perfect that is <sarcasm>. She uses her prev experiences to try to help and minister to others. She has Never said she (we) aren't sinners. And she has repented. That still doesn't make her right, and as far as most are concerned, it's still hypocritical. It's not as if she is on here bashing Christians, condoning, adultery, homosexuality, abortions.. and sins in general.. Nor will you find Pure giving excuse to sin. It's all very well regretting it after the event. Obviously, her words would carry far more weight if she had not done it in the first place. She's actually very compassionate and forgiving. You should try it some time.... I think it's along the lines of removing the log from your own eye, before you remove the splinter out of the eyes of others? Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 What hatred? What's so horrible about treating gay people the same way straight people are treated? But they are. The thread is about not attending a wedding and now we have an example of a Christian adultery. The people who would not attend the same sex wedding will also refuse to attend a second wedding or a wedding with an adultery as one of the principals. I understand you don't agree that homosexuality of having sex was a partner of the dame sex is a sin but it is a straw man to pretend that only gays face this form of social shunning from some religious communities. Link to post Share on other sites
gamma1 Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 But they are. The thread is about not attending a wedding and now we have an example of a Christian adultery. The people who would not attend the same sex wedding will also refuse to attend a second wedding or a wedding with an adultery as one of the principals. I understand you don't agree that homosexuality of having sex was a partner of the dame sex is a sin but it is a straw man to pretend that only gays face this form of social shunning from some religious communities. It is more accurate to comapre a heterosexual marriage to a homosexual marriage. Heterosexual adultery should be compared to homosexual adultery and a heterosexual 2nd marriage should be compared to a homosexual 2nd marriage. You are comparing apples to oranges. Refusing to attend this wedding is equalavent to refusing to attend a "normal" wedding with a man and a woman. Would you have recacted the same way if she had refused to attend a "normal" wedding of one of his relatives? Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 It is more accurate to comapre a heterosexual marriage to a homosexual marriage. Heterosexual adultery should be compared to homosexual adultery and a heterosexual 2nd marriage should be compared to a homosexual 2nd marriage. You are comparing apples to oranges. Refusing to attend this wedding is equalavent to refusing to attend a "normal" wedding with a man and a woman. Would you have recacted the same way if she had refused to attend a "normal" wedding of one of his relatives? Its a long thread, I've been providing examples of other factors besides the sex of the participants many times. My favorite is the baptized but not raised Catholic whose relatives refuse to attend because she is defying the authority of a local Bishop by not obtaining his permission to marry outdoors. Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Now that's really twisting things. He was born a homosexual. We didn't teach him to be one. He was told about God and Jesus and he chose to be a Christian. I'm glad you don't have a homosexual son. She can teach her sons what she wants. Regardless of what you think of Roe v. Wade, I'm pro choice as I've stated yet would not choose to have an abortion and hope others do not. Respectfully Samantha, are we talking about the same Jesus, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and God the Father (not in this order)...the Trinity...? IMO, that is a lie from the pit of hell...as the only thing we are born into is original sin...by accepting Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior we let go of our thinking, our ways etc. to follow Him. Being homosexual is a choice, and my son could have made that choice, although didn't. Yes CN most definitely can teach her sons what she wants, although it is up to them to make the choices. Concerning Roe v Wade, it is not what I think, it is the truth, the Supreme Court case of 1973 was based on a lie...Norma McCorvey, and I've spoken with her (she has a daughter too, the daughter that was up for abortion) has admitted she lied about being raped. Since then has been actively trying to help get that decision overturned. Samantha, it is a cop out to say I don't agree with it, although it's ok for everybody else...especially something as significant as homosexuality and abortion are to God...it would be better to take a stand either way than to waiver...this is essence according to the Word of God is being double-minded. We are accountable for what we believe. I have waivered concerning many things in my life, and tried to justify them...I paid a really heavy price...but that is over now as the worst is over and the best is yet to come... Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 For the record, this is absolutely not true. Norma McCorvey did initially claim she had been raped when she tried to obtain a legal abortion in Texas. That didn't work, and she admitted she lied. Later, when the case went to the Supreme Court, she had already admitted that she wasn't raped, and "rape" never appears anywhere in the case whatsoever. Rape simply wasn't part of Roe v. Wade in any way, let alone what the case was "based on." I will check this out with Norma, although I don't think this is the case. I have been affiliated with Right to Life since 1987 and do not understand where you are getting this info. Could you please let me know where you got this? Link to post Share on other sites
Scrivdog Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 ..Being homosexual is a choice, .. What evidence do you have of this? And besides, why would anyone make such a choice even if they could? Well? Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Pureinheart opposes loving homosexual relationships, and believes they are sinful, but apparently condones adulterous affairs, of which she was a party. But wait..I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for that. Waiting..waiting... Yes, I had an EA...yes I oppose homosexual R...no I don't condone EMR, read the archives BTW. If I remember correctly, and I'm sure I do in your case...I had compassion for you (big difference) when you were hurting. I am unable go to back to it and check if I responded to your post, as you were under a different name...you got banned for cursing out another member ( I do remember who it was) and later said you were drinking that night and her reply rubbed you the wrong way. According to my beliefs we are all sinners...bare with me as I am setting the stage...hate the sin and love the sinner...this means that I can love someone regardless of what they do or what they are into...it doesn't mean that I say it's ok to do X,Y or Z. I do have the ability to understand an individual and not condone what they do...people do not condone my sin when I sin...they may understand how I got there, but to say it's ok is not ok. If gays were being bashed mercilessly as OW/OM are in that particular forum (at times) I would "fight" for them too, although not condone the action... I have heard gays being bashed in the past with friends and have spoken up. I don't believe bashing anything gets anyone anywhere. I used to do post abortion councelling (and still do from time time, but am not up with the newest happenings), does this mean I condone abortion? Does it mean I should be compassionate towards the person...most definitely. Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 What evidence do you have of this? And besides, why would anyone make such a choice even if they could? Well? The Word of God communicates that all sin is a choice. It is your choice to believe the Word of God or not...as it is mine:). There are many reasons that a choice like this is made...my exfiance's sister is gay...she was abused greatly by her exH...she doesn't trust men. Fear, to be in with the crowd as this lifestyle has become increasingly popular (we are in the last, last days...) Rejection is a major factor... I have got a question for you ...most gay couples have a "man and woman" appearance...why? Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 As Twinsmom said..... Pureinheart opposes loving homosexual relationships, and believes they are sinful, but apparently condones adulterous affairs, of which she was a party. But wait..I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for that. Waiting..waiting... Deuteronomy 22:22"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die." Leviticus 20:10"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." "Give me that ole time religion" The Eye And your point is? We all deserve death...Jesus paid the price for our sins at the cross... I really don't appreciate you speaking death over me and using Gods word to do it...twice on this thread...and rebuke you in Jesus name. Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 How is quoting the bible speaking death over you? This poster was quoting the bible's teachings on infidelity. Nice try:) Link to post Share on other sites
redmelon Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 speaking death over you? Are we talking about being homosexual or are we suddenly in a Victorian age magic show? Link to post Share on other sites
Eye of Hourus Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 (edited) Dear All, The Parable of the Weeds Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' 'An enemy did this,' he replied. The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' " Matt 13:24 - 30 My friends, the lesson to be learned from this parable is that even if you think (gays and lesbians) are the weeds, Jesus said NOT to uproot them with the wheat! That will be His job when the time comes. God has called us to plant, not to pluck up. Prov. 15:23, “A man finds joy in giving an apt reply— and how good is a timely word!” Prov. 18:21, “The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.” The Eye Edited July 14, 2010 by Eye of Hourus Tongue stuck in keyboard Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha0905 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Respectfully Samantha, are we talking about the same Jesus, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and God the Father (not in this order)...the Trinity...? IMO, that is a lie from the pit of hell...as the only thing we are born into is original sin...by accepting Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior we let go of our thinking, our ways etc. to follow Him. Being homosexual is a choice, and my son could have made that choice, although didn't. Yes CN most definitely can teach her sons what she wants, although it is up to them to make the choices. Concerning Roe v Wade, it is not what I think, it is the truth, the Supreme Court case of 1973 was based on a lie...Norma McCorvey, and I've spoken with her (she has a daughter too, the daughter that was up for abortion) has admitted she lied about being raped. Since then has been actively trying to help get that decision overturned. Samantha, it is a cop out to say I don't agree with it, although it's ok for everybody else...especially something as significant as homosexuality and abortion are to God...it would be better to take a stand either way than to waiver...this is essence according to the Word of God is being double-minded. We are accountable for what we believe. I have waivered concerning many things in my life, and tried to justify them...I paid a really heavy price...but that is over now as the worst is over and the best is yet to come... Being homosexual is not a choice. Period. Did you decide to be attracted to men? I mean really. Think about it. You did not. You are trying to force what you think is okay via your religious beliefs onto another person. These aren't even necessarily Christian religious beliefs -- it's just your interpretation. I'm glad you KNOW how significant something is to God. That's pretty arrogant. I love the Lord. He knows that. I don't need your approval of our relationship. I don't know who you are giving the take a stand lecture to. I've made it pretty clear what I think. "Pureinheart" -- really? Is that username expressing humility? Or is it an aspiration? I hope the latter.... I'm glad the best is yet to come for you. I certainly hope so. As for abortion -- again -- I'm pro choice..... You can have your own thoughts regarding Roe v. Wade. It's a wonderful thing about living in America. We can all have our own opinion. I'm pro choice. You interpreted what you wanted to read into that. I didn't say I don't agree with it but yet it is okay for someone else. I did not say that at all. Those are your inferences. It's a part of the judgmental mindset -- you decide what others have said, done, feel, should be, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha0905 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 Well, my son likes the gals, but I sure didn't teach him to. If, however, he had been gay, I certainly would still love and cherish him and I most definitely WOULD attend any wedding he had. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha0905 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 The Word of God communicates that all sin is a choice. It is your choice to believe the Word of God or not...as it is mine:). There are many reasons that a choice like this is made...my exfiance's sister is gay...she was abused greatly by her exH...she doesn't trust men. Fear, to be in with the crowd as this lifestyle has become increasingly popular (we are in the last, last days...) Rejection is a major factor... I have got a question for you ...most gay couples have a "man and woman" appearance...why? This is such backward thinking. It's sad to read. Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha0905 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 speaking death over you? Are we talking about being homosexual or are we suddenly in a Victorian age magic show? It's bizarre!! Link to post Share on other sites
Samantha0905 Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 The Word of God communicates that all sin is a choice. It is your choice to believe the Word of God or not...as it is mine:). There are many reasons that a choice like this is made...my exfiance's sister is gay...she was abused greatly by her exH...she doesn't trust men. Fear, to be in with the crowd as this lifestyle has become increasingly popular (we are in the last, last days...) Rejection is a major factor... I have got a question for you ...most gay couples have a "man and woman" appearance...why? It's so sad you think homosexuality is a choice borne of abuse -- that's the part that is so archaic. I shudder to think what you assume happened when an 11 or 12 year old boy realizes he's gay. Do you suppose we took away his G.I. Joe and Power Rangers and forced him to play with Barbies and tea sets? "Come on sweetie.... let's go practice our hula hooping and then twirl our batons." Oh yes. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 I have got a question for you ...most gay couples have a "man and woman" appearance...why? You see this because you want to see this. If you compare ANY two men or two women (couples, friends, siblings) and search for it, you can find ways in which one will appear or act more "feminine" or "masculine" than the other. Link to post Share on other sites
pureinheart Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 If I don't go along with "your" line of thinking then there are posts that infer that I must die because I had an EA...and when I do what I think is spiritually necessary according to my belief system, then it is cut down and ridiculed. At times this (and other) forums has the "mob" mentallity, it's called bullying...no discussing like adults, but the attitude that "if you don't agree with me, or say something that doesn't fit MY perspective then YOU are wrong, out of line and have twisted thinking...and so on" There are people out there that do have differing opinions, get over yourselves... There is life and death in the power of the tongue and I take that seriously, maybe some who posted on this thread should take heed:) I wish you all the very best:) Link to post Share on other sites
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